Traditional values and the Tory party

[DemolitionRed]

We so often get into lengthy debate about the opposition party and although its clear that a number of posters on here are true blues, we seldom hear about why.

What are the Conservatives getting right? and what are their traditional values that encourage you, the voter, to support them?

[Niamh.]

They're about to get even more "traditional" once they get in bed with the DUP :fan:

[smudgie]

I voted Tory, however I am not a true blue.
I voted Tory after the Blair/Brown years, simply because I could not vote for the Labour Party of the time.
The coalition didn't do too bad a job of it so I voted Tory again, plus I didn't like what Labour had to offer.
Had Labour had a better leader and more realistic manifesto then perhaps it would have been a consideration for me this time around, but no thanks, not with Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott at the helm.
In future I could vote either way, as I have done in the past.:shrug:

[JTM45]

They're about to get even more "traditional" once they get in bed with the DUP :fan:

God (or anyone who actually can!) help us if this does infact end up happening.
We're doomed i tell you, DOOMED!!!!:joker:

[Niamh.]

God (or anyone who actually can!) help us if this does infact end up happening.
We're doomed i tell you, DOOMED!!!!:joker:

The whole world is doomed right now i think :worry:

[JTM45]

The whole world is doomed right now i think :worry:

If only they'd spent more time and effort on Interstellar Travel......

''Stop the World.............I want to get off!!!'' . If only eh.

[bots]

Not many people are out and out tories in the truest sense of the word.

Most people fall between the focus of the 2 main parties and then are left to make a judgement call on which of the 2 choices best represent them.

People are centrist in the majority, and that's not what the Lib dems offer and the other 2 parties are veering off further left and right, satisfying less and less people with smaller and smaller demographics

I'm watching what has happened in France with great interest, because on the face of it, people are flocking in their droves to the centre ground, I just hope he can deliver on his promises or it could all go horribly wrong for him

[Crimson Dynamo]

didnt vote for them so no idea

[Brillopad]

We so often get into lengthy debate about the opposition party and although its clear that a number of posters on here are true blues, we seldom hear about why.

What are the Conservatives getting right? and what are their traditional values that encourage you, the voter, to support them?

Respecting a democratic public vote for one. That is a Hugh issue in my opinion. I was disgusted at how so many lefties and others were happy to ignore such a vote because it didn't go their way. You really can't get much lower than that in a democratic society. It goes against everything we are supposed to stand for. Many were sticking two fingers up at that for their open selfish interests. Absolutely no time for that.

[JTM45]

Respecting a democratic public vote for one. That is a Hugh issue in my opinion. I was disgusted at how so many lefties and others were happy to ignore such a vote because it didn't go their way. You really can't get much lower than that in a democratic society. It goes against everything we are supposed to stand for. Many were sticking two fingers up at that for their open selfish interests. Absolutely no time for that.

'Respect' is a two-way thing and needs to be earned and not just given in 'tradition' especially when the traditional values of a democratic society are no longer adhered too. ''Ain't no body got time for that!'' <:laugh:

[Brillopad]

'Respect' is a two-way thing and needs to be earned and not just given in 'tradition' especially when the traditional values of a democratic society are no longer adhered too. ''Ain't no body got time for that!'' <:laugh:

In other words if you don't like the result, attempt to mess with it. Is it 'unearned' because you don't agree with it, because others have a different opinion to you.

[Withano]

Its so awkward that nobody has said a single policy yet

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its so awkward that nobody has said a single policy yet

DR did not ask for policies and so far we have only found one member who voted Tory

Unless you know of other members who voted Conservative?

[Withano]

DR did not ask for policies and so far we have only found one member who voted Tory

Unless you know of other members who voted Conservative?

2 so far. When asked why they voted tory, none of them mentioned a policy, and thats alarming.

[Crimson Dynamo]

2 so far. When asked why they voted tory, none of them mentioned a policy, and thats alarming.

I expect they voted for their Local MP who does a great job for them as many many voters do. You are aware that this happens?

[smudgie]

2 so far. When asked why they voted tory, none of them mentioned a policy, and thats alarming.

No, not alarming.
It's not just about what their policy is, it's also down to if you believe they can/will carry them out.
Who you put your trust in at the time, or more like who you mistrust the most.:shrug:

[bots]

2 so far. When asked why they voted tory, none of them mentioned a policy, and thats alarming.

Perhaps people aren't interested in yet another thread where the pack decend

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ok but this thread isn't about what Labour didn't do and more about what the Conservatives did do. We have had thread upon thread about the goods and bad's of Labour. We have had almost equal levels of threads on all the bad things the Tories have done but to my recollection, I've never once seen a thread on here about the 'good virtues of the Conservative party' and that's what I started this thread for.

This thread is more about how Tory supporters would sell their party to the general public. People like me want to know how I could personally gain from keeping the Tories in.

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

Its 88 pages so let us know when you have read it and report back with findings

:thumbs:

[DemolitionRed]

Perhaps people aren't interested in yet another thread where the pack decend

I'd like this thread to have some level of thoughtfulness and intelligence. I know its precarious but it would be nice if people could just discuss things without all falling out.

Edited to say: I just laughed when I re-read my last sentence. I should go and re-name myself 'thread-killer'!

[the truth]

Tory party lowers taxes on the working classes, they put a limit on benefits of £25,000...from the previously unlimited handouts to breed for benefit families
They have created more jobs in the UK since 2010 than the rest of the european 27 countries put together, a staggering statistic and one of the reasons unemployment has fallen and gdp has risen and the deficit is falling
Basiclaly the country and the economy at large is way better off now than it was under labour. This has meant the tories have spent far more per head on the nhs in england than labour have done in wales since 2010. The welsh economy is miles weaker , average gdp is a pitiful £18000 per head in wales its £43000 in london? that is a staggering difference of 240%? the dreadful welsh economy means less money for public services which again is why the welsh nhs is miles behind englands....the tories have wiped out mrsa in hospitals, theyve strengthen the ombudsmen so people can make private complaints without fear of being bullied as they were under labour and still are in wales....the tories are fighting hard for a 7 day nhs by cleverly employing continental shifts...just like every other professiona medics should work the odd weekend,. Its a lie to say the service is anywhere near as good on the weekend. its a joke on the weekend. It should be the same standard, people should be at a vastly higher risk of dying depending what day they arrive in hospital. the tories gave us a democratic referendum too and respected the result

[DemolitionRed]

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

Its 88 pages so let us know when you have read it and report back with findings

:thumbs:

I've read most of that manifesto so thanks but I don't need to re-read it. I was looking for personal views. If you don't want to join in then please refrain from trolling.

[DemolitionRed]

Thanks TT. I'm just rushing out but will be back in a couple of hours and I'll take on board what you wrote.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've read most of that manifesto so thanks but I don't need to re-read it. I was looking for personal views. If you don't want to join in then please refrain from trolling.

That is not trolling its answering your question, some may say that this thread is just that however....

[King Gizzard]

The Tories and any sort of values are not two things I'd put in the same sentence personally

[Withano]

No, not alarming.
It's not just about what their policy is, it's also down to if you believe they can/will carry them out.
Who you put your trust in at the time, or more like who you mistrust the most.:shrug:

Perhaps I should have been clearer - it is alarming to me -

Tories are in charge and when their supporters are asked why, their policies arent mentioned. Maybe I'm doing democracy all wrong, but the policies that I want to live with for 5 years will always be the key reason to place my vote. I wouldnt vote Labour for the sake of not like May as a person very much, it isnt the X Factor.. I also wouldn't vote Labour for the sake of not liking right wing people very much like Brillo suggested, it is nothing to do with them... And I also wouldnt vote Labour for somehing the Tories did X many years ago under a different leader and policies, Like TT is suggesting some have done, because its irrelevant.

The responses are therefore alarming to me, because they go against what I thought the priority reason of the general election was about

[Crimson Dynamo]

Perhaps I should have been clearer - it is alarming to me -

Tories are in charge and when their supporters are asked why, their policies arent mentioned. Maybe I'm doing democracy all wrong, but the policies that I want to live with for 5 years will always be the key reason to place my vote. I wouldnt vote Labour for the sake of not like May as a person very much, it isnt the X Factor.. I also wouldn't vote Labour for the sake of not liking right wing people very much like Brillo suggested, it is nothing to do with them... And I also wouldnt vote Labour for somehing the Tories did X many years ago under a different leader and policies, Like TT is suggesting some have done, because its irrelevant.

The responses are therefore alarming to me, because they go against what I thought the priority reason of the general election was about

you mean the one confirmed response so far


Dont go looking for a job at Survation any time soon :joker:

[the truth]

The Tories and any sort of values are not two things I'd put in the same sentence personally

better than labor who say one thing do another? the gap between rich and poor was bigger by the end of labours disastrous 13 years in government than it had been in 200 years

[joeysteele]

The Tories and any sort of values are not two things I'd put in the same sentence personally

I wasn't going to comment here as my only interest in the Cons now,is to see them turfed out.

I couldn't resist having to agree with this post however.

[the truth]

I wasn't going to comment here as my only interest in the Cons now,is to see them turfed out.

I couldn't resist having to agree with this post however.

it was a typical left wing cheap shot...how can labour preach about morals after killing a million iraquis....bankrupting our economy, seeing an nhs rife with filth mrsa and 1000s literally dying of thirst in nhs hospitals
total hypocrites

[bots]

and as predicted the thread has taken a nose dive

[Withano]

you mean the one confirmed response so far


Dont go looking for a job at Survation any time soon :joker:

Theres more than one, sweety

[user104658]

and as predicted the thread has taken a nose dive
I'm fascinated as to why you're posting things like this in every thread, as if you're some sort of impartial observer, rather than right square in the thick of these "nosediving threads" :think:.

[Kazanne]

I wouldn't even bother posting why I would vote Conservative if I was to vote , the question was only asked to bait and have a pop at people who don't fawn over Corbyn

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wouldn't even bother posting why I would vote Conservative if I was to vote , the question was only asked to bait and have a pop at people who don't fawn over Corbyn

Not 'the cunning plan' exposed

:omgno:

[Kizzy]

Traditional venture capitalism is no longer de rigueur :)

Thank **** :)

[Kizzy]

Not 'the cunning plan' exposed

:omgno:

If this thread is not your cup of tea just don't post in it...it's not hard. there are lots of other threads aren't there?

Nobody has a knife to your throat forcing anyone to comment do they? :/

[DemolitionRed]

If you feel this thread is just baiting, feel free to give it a miss.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If this thread is not your cup of tea just don't post in it...it's not hard. there are lots of other threads aren't there?

Nobody has a knife to your throat forcing anyone to comment do they? :/

wait, other threads?

:omgno:

[joeysteele]

Although seriously, I was a Conservative up to 18.
It was my worries about the NHS and raising tuition fees that moved me unwisely to Lib Dem in the 2010 election.

I did see the Conservative party as a competent and more trustworthy party with the economy.
I felt John Major had moved the party back from being anti NHS too.

It's funny how things change and people on here I am close to have made the other transition to me,they from Labour to Con,for their own valid reasons. As mine are from Con to Labour.

Competence before would have been what would have had me vote Conservative.
However,just for myself now, I'd rather have compassion in policy.

I find that now in Labour and sadly see little of it in the Conservatives.
Although there are many in the Conservative party who are strongly compassionate, sadly they at present do not make up the leadership of the party.

I guess for most,it's how policies affect yourself.
I will always wish for the day when politics and govt.is made up of the just,compassionate and concensus MPs who actually,from all main Parties,are the vast majority of MPs.

Competence, tolerance,fairness,consensus ,compassion and sensitivity if one day that can be evident in a party or govt.that will be great days for politics and the Nation.

[DemolitionRed]

Tory party lowers taxes on the working classes, they put a limit on benefits of £25,000...from the previously unlimited handouts to breed for benefit families
They have created more jobs in the UK since 2010 than the rest of the european 27 countries put together, a staggering statistic and one of the reasons unemployment has fallen and gdp has risen and the deficit is falling
Basiclaly the country and the economy at large is way better off now than it was under labour. This has meant the tories have spent far more per head on the nhs in england than labour have done in wales since 2010. The welsh economy is miles weaker , average gdp is a pitiful £18000 per head in wales its £43000 in london? that is a staggering difference of 240%? the dreadful welsh economy means less money for public services which again is why the welsh nhs is miles behind englands....the tories have wiped out mrsa in hospitals, theyve strengthen the ombudsmen so people can make private complaints without fear of being bullied as they were under labour and still are in wales....the tories are fighting hard for a 7 day nhs by cleverly employing continental shifts...just like every other professiona medics should work the odd weekend,. Its a lie to say the service is anywhere near as good on the weekend. its a joke on the weekend. It should be the same standard, people should be at a vastly higher risk of dying depending what day they arrive in hospital. the tories gave us a democratic referendum too and respected the result

Thanks TT

If I was to read all of this and find all the proper channels to prove them right, I'd be reasonably pleased about some of those things... especially a rise in GDP because that would make a lot of difference to my life.

The problem is, many of the things you stated just aren't so. We have gone over the value of tax to GDP and we've already talked about the Tories halving the debt versus Osborne tripling the debt and we've also talked about the £billions cut from the welfare budget since 2010 have made not a scrap of difference to the national debt so I think we just have to agree to disagree on those things.

Interesting what you were saying about the Welsh economy and the NHS within Wales under the Labour party, because this is something I haven't seen any wide discussions on... but then I'm not Welsh.

Wales could never do well under the single market because Wales were big producers of products such as steel and agriculture. When any industry has an EU cap imposed on its production every time there’s a glut, its going to make those lands a shadow of their former self, especially if that land relied on its productions (unlike the city of London which relies on bankers). I think its disgusting that we have to import leeks and lamb to Wales but that’s not going to change whilst we are in the EU, regardless of who is sitting in number 10.

I’m aware that Wales is the UK’s lowest spending country. Block grants which are determined by something called the Barnett Formula are handed out to individual governments each year. The Barnett Formula (worth becoming familiar with) is worked out on populations size. The problem with this is, it’s a historic formula (I believe the last formula was done in 2000) and so the population proportions are different than what we have today. England and Scotland don’t even use the Barnett Formula for services such as the NHS; they work out monies needed based on age, health and poverty. If the British government allowed the same with Wales, Wales would be receiving 10% more funding than it presently does. Its time Westminster burned this arcane formula and stopped inflicting it on Wales and Northern Ireland.

Another thing I wanted to ask you about was the Ombudsman. I believe they’ve now introduced a rail passenger ombudsman? but I can’t find any new legislation regarding parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman? Whilst an Ombudsman can ask an organization like the NHS to make changes, they can’t make or insist that organization changes unless its actually breaking laws.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that they're seen as the "true" UK party, and tbf in the past they might've been, but I honestly think that this current lot are more set on destroying the UK if it means they pocket out of it.

[Mystic Mock]

it was a typical left wing cheap shot...how can labour preach about morals after killing a million iraquis....bankrupting our economy, seeing an nhs rife with filth mrsa and 1000s literally dying of thirst in nhs hospitals
total hypocrites

BIB wasn't anything to do with Labour or Tories, it was the Republican party in America which bankrupted nearly the whole world, how any party from the UK can get the blame for that is beyond me.

I agree with you on the Iraq front for Labour.

And the NHS has been run poorly ever since I've been alive, so that's a shared blame between Labour and Tories.

[DemolitionRed]

BIB wasn't anything to do with Labour or Tories, it was the Republican party in America which bankrupted nearly the whole world, how any party from the UK can get the blame for that is beyond me.

I agree with you on the Iraq front for Labour.

And the NHS has been run poorly ever since I've been alive, so that's a shared blame between Labour and Tories.

Iraq was a terrible thing that Labour did but Camerons Libya was equally ill conceived. Blair will always be blamed for the lie on weapons of mass destruction and Cameron will be equally blamed for the opportunist regime change that aided the rise of ISIS.