Breaking news, another incident

[smudgie]

A road around a police station in Finsbury Park has been closed off.
A vehicle has driven through a number of people.

[Shaun]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

(No details yet because obvious reasons)

[Epic.]

Ugh

[smudgie]

Police have arrested one person, the injured are being attended at the scene, reports are sketchy but it is being stated that a van drove into about 10 people.

[Rob!]

Ffs

It doesn't even raise an eyebrow any more does it

[smudgie]

876594833212801026

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

(No details yet because obvious reasons)

Oops, already a thread. Maybe they could be merged.

[smudgie]

Ffs

It doesn't even raise an eyebrow any more does it

It makes me sick to my stomache Rob.
Horrifying to think what comes next.:sad:

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/vehicle-collides-with-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-10919826

[A number of casualties are being treated at the scene after reports that a vehicle was involved in a collision in north London.

The Metropolitan Police say they are dealing with a "major incident" as a result of the collision in Seven Sisters Road, Finsbury Park.

The incident is described as being close to Finsbury Park station and mosque.

London Ambulance Service say they have sent a "number of resources" to the scene.

Pictures on social media of the scene suggest it occurred at the entrance to Whadcoat Street.]

[arista]

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[Greg!]

Omg this is happening far too often, my heart sunk.

[Greg!]

http://news.sky.com/story/vehicle-collides-with-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-10919826

[A number of casualties are being treated at the scene after reports that a vehicle was involved in a collision in north London.

The Metropolitan Police say they are dealing with a "major incident" as a result of the collision in Seven Sisters Road, Finsbury Park.

The incident is described as being close to Finsbury Park station and mosque.

London Ambulance Service say they have sent a "number of resources" to the scene.

Pictures on social media of the scene suggest it occurred at the entrance to Whadcoat Street.]

Could have been targeting Muslims?

[arista]

[Images on Twitter appeared to show a clean-shaven white man with black hair being detained by police officers behind a van, surrounded by a group of shouting onlookers.]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4616452/Man-arrested-van-ploughs-people-outside-mosque.html#ixzz4kP8XPG9Q

[arista]

Could have been targeting Muslims?


yes , could be

[andybigbro]

:sad:

[King Gizzard]

[Images on Twitter appeared to show a clean-shaven white man with black hair being detained by police officers behind a van, surrounded by a group of shouting onlookers.]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4616452/Man-arrested-van-ploughs-people-outside-mosque.html#ixzz4kP8XPG9Q

"White van driver injures at least 10 people after ploughing into a crowd outside London's Finsbury Park mosque where hate cleric Abu Hamza once preached as Muslims finish their evening prayers"

As if to somehow justify it. What relevance does it have? Disgusting

RIP to those that have lost their lives :sad: edit: no confirmed fatalities of yet, hope it stays that way

[smudgie]

"White van driver injures at least 10 people after ploughing into a crowd outside London's Finsbury Park mosque where hate cleric Abu Hamza once preached as Muslims finish their evening prayers"

As if to somehow justify it. What relevance does it have? Disgusting

RIP to those that have lost their lives :sad: edit: no confirmed fatalities of yet, hope it stays that way

There is absolutely no justification for this, whoever has done it.
I only hope people are not too badly injured.:sad:

[Jessica.]

This is horrible, especially targeting peaceful Muslims after their prayers in the holy month of Ramadan. I just don't understand this at all. We need to stop hurting each other, I hope he didn't do as much damage as it sounds.

[Tom4784]

I expected it was some Right Wing nutter as soon as I saw the mosque mentioned. Another terrorist in a similar vein to Jo Cox's murderer, it seems.

I'm just thankful that it seems like, at the moment, that he has completely failed at killing anyone.

[nicole_burks]

Another ****ing one. This is so sad. :sad:

[jaxie]

It's horrifying. It's like a floodgate has been opened on this kind of incident now with vehicles used as weapons.

[y.winter]

Here it goes...

[Kazanne]

A 'revenge ' attack apparently, van driven into a mosque area where people had been praying,playing right into Isis's hands

[Cherie]

A man has died and 10 people have been injured after a van ploughed into pedestrians near a north London mosque.
The van mounted the pavement and struck a group of people just after midnight BST near Finsbury Park Mosque in Seven Sisters Road. A 48-year-old man has been arrested.
Prime Minister Theresa May said police were treating it "as a potential terrorist attack".
Eyewitness Abdul Rahman said the driver said he wanted to "kill all Muslims".
Mr Rahman told the BBC he struck the man and helped subdue him.
"When the guy came out from his van he wanted to escape, run away and he was saying 'I want to kill Muslims. 'I want to kill Muslims.'
"I hit him on his stomach... and then me and the other guys... we held him to the ground until he couldn't move. We stopped him until the police came."
Counter-terrorism officers are at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said.
The Muslim Council of Britain said a van intentionally ran over worshippers.

[Kazanne]

Piers Morgan describes him as a middle aged white man who carried out this attack,Piers Morgan is actually getting on my tits this Morning,does he ever let people answer a question?

[Cherie]

:Piers Morgan describes him as a middle aged white man who carried out this attack,Piers Morgan is actually getting on my tits this Morning,does he ever let people answer a question?

Such easy targets coming out a mosque, more evil bastards

[Kazanne]

:

Such easy targets coming out a mosque, more evil bastards

Just what Isis wants,people against people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Looks like a revenge attack on the Finsbury park Mosque (or this attached centre) as this mosque has a chequered history with radicalism. Somewhat inevitable in the current climate perhaps?

[Ashley.]

Idiocy. Just absolute idiocy. Thoughts are with the victims.

Looks like a revenge attack on the Finsbury park Mosque (or this attached centre) as this mosque has a chequered history with radicalism. Somewhat inevitable in the current climate perhaps?

There are no excuses.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Idiocy. Just absolute idiocy. Thoughts are with the victims.



There are no excuses.

or surprise

[Northern Monkey]

Idiots like this are giving the terrorists exactly what they want.A holy war.What a wanker.

[Kizzy]

These ARE terrorists... Right wing extremist terrorists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

These ARE terrorists... Right wing extremist terrorists.

you have no idea who did this

police have detained one unidentified man so far

unless you have other evidence?

[Kazanne]

you have no idea who did this

police have detained one unidentified man so far

unless you have other evidence?

Piers Morgan keeps banging on that it was a 48 year old WHITE man and a revenge attack, he is the only one who has emphasised he was white,would that be allowed the other way round?

[Northern Monkey]

Piers Morgan keeps banging on that it was a 48 year old WHITE man and a revenge attack, he is the only one who has emphasised he was white,would that be allowed the other way round?

See if he says 'it was a brown man' next time ISIS hit us.

[UserSince2005]

terror attack?

[Kizzy]

See if he says 'it was a brown man' next time ISIS hit us.

Can only brown men be indoctrinated ? Someone best tell Samantha Lewthwaite

[Northern Monkey]

Can only brown men be indoctrinated ? Someone best tell Samantha Lewthwaite

Exactly.You made my point for me.The point is that he's emphasising this guys skin colour.He would never do that if it was a person of Arabic/Pakistani/African descent

[UserSince2005]

I'm sorry but if it was really a terrorist attack then he would have got out the car and started knifing people until he died. He is not a martyr nor terrorist. He is just a deranged man

[Kizzy]

Exactly.You made my point for me.The point is that he's emphasising this guys skin colour.He would never do that if it was a person of Arabic/Pakistani/African descent

Maybe people need to know not all terrorists have brown skin?

[UserSince2005]

It's a hate crime and not a terrorist attack

[Kizzy]

It's a hate crime and not a terrorist attack

Nope...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/finsbury-park-attack-latest-theresa-may-terror-investigation-mosque-van-crash-police-dead-a7796596.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/finsbury-park-attack-latest-theresa-may-terror-investigation-mosque-van-crash-police-dead-a7796596.html

nope...

potential terror incident

[UserSince2005]

It's disgusting to call this a terrorist attack. It takes away from those poor people who died in the recent ones.

[Kizzy]

nope...

potential terror incident

Nope..

Home Secretary Amber Rudd has said police are treating the attack on a North London mosque as a "terrorist incident".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/finsbury-park-mosque-attack-terrorist-police-white-van-crash-incident-muslims-dead-amber-rudd-a7796621.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/868770292507738112/z7tEYPax_bigger.jpgKatie Hopkins tweets:

Yesterday Khan't allowed this. Today he will say we will not tolerate terror on our streets. #AlQudsDay #FinsburyParkattack

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCqli9TXYAEAayq.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCqli9TXYAEAayq.jpg

[Liberty4eva]

Is London like becoming a war zone? Lately there has been a lot of news about the UK in the states for all the wrong reasons.

[bots]

this was bound to happen eventually i'm sorry to say and its playing in to ISIS hands as that was their intention all along.

[bots]

Is London like becoming a war zone? Lately there has been a lot of news about the UK in the states for all the wrong reasons.

no

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCqRQ4YXkAApvdN?format=jpg

[Livia]

It was inevitable.

[y.winter]

I actually feel sick. Same as June 3rd.

[Beso]

These ARE terrorists... Right wing extremist terrorists.

Or a disgruntled homosexual terrorist.

[Niamh.]

A 'revenge ' attack apparently, van driven into a mosque area where people had been praying,playing right into Isis's hands

exactly right Kaz

[Kazanne]

See if he says 'it was a brown man' next time ISIS hit us.

Can't see it can you,he hasn't up till now that is why his comment stood out to me.

[Niamh.]

Is London like becoming a war zone? Lately there has been a lot of news about the UK in the states for all the wrong reasons.

I just got back from a weekend in London and really didn't notice anything different to how it always was

[DemolitionRed]

A man has died and 10 people have been injured after a van ploughed into pedestrians near a north London mosque.
The van mounted the pavement and struck a group of people just after midnight BST near Finsbury Park Mosque in Seven Sisters Road. A 48-year-old man has been arrested.
Prime Minister Theresa May said police were treating it "as a potential terrorist attack".
Eyewitness Abdul Rahman said the driver said he wanted to "kill all Muslims".
Mr Rahman told the BBC he struck the man and helped subdue him.
"When the guy came out from his van he wanted to escape, run away and he was saying 'I want to kill Muslims. 'I want to kill Muslims.'
"I hit him on his stomach... and then me and the other guys... we held him to the ground until he couldn't move. We stopped him until the police came."
Counter-terrorism officers are at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said.
The Muslim Council of Britain said a van intentionally ran over worshippers.

The man who died was already receiving medical assistance outside Finsbury Mosque before the terrorist struck.

[Kazanne]

The man who died was already receiving medical assistance outside Finsbury Mosque before the terrorist struck.

So maybe he didn't actually kill him then?

[user104658]

Is London like becoming a war zone? Lately there has been a lot of news about the UK in the states for all the wrong reasons.

Well... the population of Greater London is nearly 9 million, it's one of the most densely populated areas in the western world, and there have been a couple of relatively minor incidents with at most a couple of dozen dead (not including the fire, which was an accident whether or not there is some accountability through negligence). Not to downplay the deaths at all but "a war zone" would be a pretty massive exaggeration.

I suspect you're probably also lumping in the Manchester Arena incident with your "London War Zone" claims... even though it's a completely separate city over 150 miles away from London :facepalm:.

[arista]

So maybe he didn't actually kill him then?

The Nazi Right Wing driver terrorist did kill him
though, at the end

[arista]

http://e3.365dm.com/17/06/1600x900/79374e5471d7ef509e7ac3d4011f8d14741eb6b4f9cf945ed8 f8c5a80c9f9a98_3981253.jpg?20170619100305
The crowd sat on the Nazi killer driver

[arista]

These ARE terrorists... Right wing extremist terrorists.


Yes he asked the Police to Kill him

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Nazi Right Wing driver terrorist did kill him
though, at the end

we do not yet know this mans political leanings, he could be a card carrying Labour voter and vegan

[Withano]

But ploughing a car into a mosque and towards muslims is obviously inspired by the ult-right wings disdain towards the group. I feel like I could call a guy driving into an oil company or the KKKs office a 'left wing terrorist' pretty easily without it being confirmed officially.

[arista]

we do not yet know this mans political leanings, he could be a card carrying Labour voter and vegan


Political :
he shouted kill all muslims

[smudgie]

I only hope this doesn't give other terrorist scum (nutters or not) ideas.
I don't give a fig what colour, religion or political leaning they have, they are ALL terrorist scum.

[Brother Leon]

Piers Morgan keeps banging on that it was a 48 year old WHITE man and a revenge attack, he is the only one who has emphasised he was white,would that be allowed the other way round?

We hear "Muslim attacker" almost right away though..

[Crimson Dynamo]

We hear "Muslim attacker" almost right away though..

do we?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Political :
he shouted kill all muslims

that is an allegation at the moment

[Jack_]

Ah I see the excuses have begun already. 'Hate crime', 'mentally ill', the usual stuff. And just a little over a year since the same happened with Jo Cox's murderer

He is a terrorist and that is that

[Kazanne]

We hear "Muslim attacker" almost right away though..

Do we ? by a news reporter? cant say I have ever heard it.:shrug:

[bots]

Political :
he shouted kill all muslims

thats not political Arista, thats a hate act, if it proves to be true

[Livia]

We hear "Muslim attacker" almost right away though..

That's because almost every terrorist atrocity in the world is committed by a Muslim.

[Jessica.]

That's because almost every terrorist atrocity in the world is committed by a Muslim.
You mean the crimes "labelled" as terrorism.

[Livia]

You mean the crimes "labelled" as terrorism.

I mean terrorist bombs at public events right across the world. I mean flying planes into sky scrapers. I mean people stabbing and ramming people with motor vehicles. I mean shooting people, laying landmines, suicide bombers... these are all labelled correctly as terrorist acts. Look at the FBI's top ten most wanted terrorists, they are all Muslim.

I absolutely deplore what happened last night... but lets get some perspective. It's not more terrible because it was a white man, it was equally terrible. And if you want to look at the death count so far between Muslim extremists in this country and far right lunatics, you'll find the Muslim extremists are winning by quite a stretch.

[Brother Leon]

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Got to lock this extremist preacher up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Got to lock this extremist preacher up.

If he breaks the law I am sure he will be :shrug:

when was that clip from and what was the context?

[Tom4784]

Exactly.You made my point for me.The point is that he's emphasising this guys skin colour.He would never do that if it was a person of Arabic/Pakistani/African descent

No, they'd do that by emphasing that he was a muslim in that case.

[Tom4784]

The guy is a terrorist, white people can be terrorists too, you know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The guy is a terrorist, white people can be terrorists too, you know.

we have no idea at the moment as we do not know if the man had any political aims

at the moment, unless you know otherwise, he is a guy who injured some people in a late night incident in London which appears to be due to a hatred of muslims but that has not been fully established. The man is not known to the security service and no group has claimed responsibility.

[Jack_]

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Got to lock this extremist preacher up.

Why didn't other white men report this man? If white men don't want to be chastised, they need to do more to speak out about these kind of things, to communicate with the authorities to stop it happening. I'm getting sick of our loony left liberal hand wringing response to this, white men pose a real threat to our progressive western democracy and in my opinion it's time we started clamping down on this poisonous ideology before our streets are taken over and the EDL flag is being flown at Westminster. Far too big a risk to take.

[Kizzy]

That's because almost every terrorist atrocity in the world is committed by a Muslim.
That's just not true in the west is it?

[bots]

we have no idea at the moment as we do not know if the man had any political aims

at the moment, unless you know otherwise, he is a guy who injured some people in a late night incident in London which appears to be due to a hatred of muslims but that has not been fully established. The man is not known to the security service and no group has claimed responsibility.

don't disagree on not knowing motive etc, but the PM has labelled it a terrorist attack, so thats what I will go with for the moment.

[Kizzy]

I mean terrorist bombs at public events right across the world. I mean flying planes into sky scrapers. I mean people stabbing and ramming people with motor vehicles. I mean shooting people, laying landmines, suicide bombers... these are all labelled correctly as terrorist acts. Look at the FBI's top ten most wanted terrorists, they are all Muslim.

I absolutely deplore what happened last night... but lets get some perspective. It's not more terrible because it was a white man, it was equally terrible. And if you want to look at the death count so far between Muslim extremists in this country and far right lunatics, you'll find the Muslim extremists are winning by quite a stretch.

Maybe if M15 deemed far right terrorism to ba anything other than a police matter those stats might change?

'Domestic extremism mainly refers to individuals or groups that carry out criminal acts in pursuit of a larger agenda, such as "right-wing extremists". They may seek to change legislation or influence domestic policy and try to achieve this outside of the normal democratic process. For the most part, they pose a threat to public order but not to national security and are investigated by the police, not MI5.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/terrorism

[joeysteele]

Another really worrying incident, thankfully it seems injuries rather than deaths.

Just shocking and really this could happen anywhere any City too.

[Kizzy]

don't disagree on not knowing motive etc, but the PM has labelled it a terrorist attack, so thats what I will go with for the moment.

Is it wise to let Theresa May do your thinking for you?...

[Vladimir]

It's a horrible incident, but it's not terrorism if lacks a political motive and continuity, which seems to be the case.

[Northern Monkey]

No, they'd do that by emphasing that he was a muslim in that case.

Because Islam(or being a muslim) is relevant to the motive of the attack.I.E 'Islamist extremist'.

Being white is not relevant.
Terrorists can be white too you know.

Maybe he should be described as a far right extremist or terrorist.

Now do you think the media would say something like 'A brown man aged 48 has been arrested' because that's what the BBC did earlier only saying "white" instead.
What relevance is his skin colour?

[Tom4784]

Because Islam(or being a muslim) is relevant to the motive of the attack.I.E 'Islamist extremist'.

Being white is not relevant.
Terrorists can be white too you know.

Maybe he should be described as a far right extremist or terrorist.

Now do you think the media would say something like 'A brown man aged 48 has been arrested' because that's what the BBC did earlier only saying "white" instead.
What relevance is his skin colour?

Connotations.

[Tom4784]

It's a horrible incident, but it's not terrorism if lacks a political motive and continuity, which seems to be the case.

If a muslim yelled something like 'Allahu Akbar' during their attack, that is terrorism but if someone who has just attempted to kill a bunch of muslims say 'I want to kill muslims' then that isn't terrorism?

Where is the logic in that?

[Kizzy]

Here's some food for thought, what constitutes a 'hate preacher?'

Could hopkins, farage and certain media outlets be comparable?

'Ukip’s “Breaking Point” poster, showing a queue of refugees and migrants which was used during the EU referendum campaign, was reported to police last June over claims that it incited racial hatred.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/finsbury-park-latest-right-wing-commentators-accused-radicalisation-islam-anti-muslim-katie-hopkins-a7797166.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here's some food for thought, what constitutes a 'hate preacher?'

Could hopkins, farage and certain media outlets be comparable?

'Ukip’s “Breaking Point” poster, showing a queue of refugees and migrants which was used during the EU referendum campaign, was reported to police last June over claims that it incited racial hatred.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/finsbury-park-latest-right-wing-commentators-accused-radicalisation-islam-anti-muslim-katie-hopkins-a7797166.html

er no

its just bored multi millionaire author JK Rowling virtue signalling for likes as her star fades...

hardly worth an article unless you are a fading once newspaper who resorts to clickbait to pay the mortgage

[Kizzy]

er no

its just bored multi millionaire author JK Rowling virtue signalling for likes as her star fades...

hardly worth an article unless you are a fading once newspaper who resorts to clickbait to pay the mortgage

I say she's got a point..

[Crimson Dynamo]

I say she's got a point..

i say she is talking bollocks as per

[Vladimir]

If a muslim yelled something like 'Allahu Akbar' during their attack, that is terrorism but if someone who has just attempted to kill a bunch of muslims say 'I want to kill muslims' then that isn't terrorism?

Where is the logic in that?

I never mentioned religion though.

Terrorism must include political motives and continuity (more than one attack perpetrated or it must be proved that attacker planned to execute more than one attack).

If a muslim attacker is connected to ISIS or some other terrorist organisation, he is definitely a terrorist. But if he decided one day to drive his vehicle into crowd because he wanted to punish the society for 'being racist' then it is not terrorism.

Many attacks in Europe lately have been wrongly labeled as terrorism by politicians because such lables give them power to use harder counter-terrorism measures. Media also love the word.

[Kizzy]

i say she is talking bollocks as per

Says the internet troll :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Says the internet troll :hehe:

im not the one posting peoples tweets as actual articles and posting links to an Alt-left troll site

you are

perhaps you need to adjust the reflective aspect of your monitor?

[the truth]

That's just not true in the west is it?

The vast majority are, do you have any facts and figures to back up your claim?

[Withano]

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs. It doesnt matter which paper picks them up to me. If shes got something interesting to say, her words should be shared. Its almost as if people want others to stop posting on tibb or sumin :shrug:

In response to her, I would always presume that hate preachers targetted a specific group and praised their own.. so under my definition, I dont think Hopkins suits. She hates so many people, including people she would probably consider part of her own ingroup. Farage is questionable though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs. It doesnt matter which paper picks them up to me. If shes got something interesting to say, her words should be shared. Its almost as if people want others to stop posting on tibb or sumin :shrug:

In response to her, I would always presume that hate preachers targetted a specific group and praised their own.. so under my definition, I dont think Hopkins suits. She hates so many people, including people she would probably consider part of her own ingroup. Farage is questionable though.

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs.

let me guess why..because she says things you agree with?

unless you have another reason?

[Withano]

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs.

let me guess why..because she says things you agree with?

unless you have another reason?

I dont always agree with her, there was a thread the other month that i cba to find which i disagreed at. I even stated in the post you quoted that i dont entirely agree with everything she has said here.. so your presumption is frankly bizarre. She just obviously has more moral integrity and intelligence than the average celeb / politician.. so why shouldnt we take her words just as seriously, if not more seriously?

[Northern Monkey]

I'd say JK Rowlings opinion on terrorism is about as valid as mine.Now get her talking about writing and she's an expert.
Politicians probably do get more info on the subject than the average Joe.

[Kizzy]

im not the one posting peoples tweets as actual articles and posting links to an Alt-left troll site

you are

perhaps you need to adjust the reflective aspect of your monitor?

And that's acceptable when you link to random you tubers rant fests though and Britain first, as 'proof' of your theories?...

:/

[Kizzy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/finsbury-park-attack-terrorism-offences-man-suspect-police-charges-attempted-murder-latest-news-a7797826.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

And that's acceptable when you link to random you tubers rant fests though and Britain first, as 'proof' of your theories?...

:/

when?

if I have linked to either I would imagine I linked to other news sources or the stories were widely reported in the media

to claim I use either a fraction as much as you and your sources is pure fantasy

[Kizzy]

when?

if I have linked to either I would imagine I linked to other news sources or the stories were widely reported in the media

to claim I use either a fraction as much as you and your sources is pure fantasy

sputnik... breitbart ... :eek:

[Vicky.]

Horrible bastard. Its just idiocy to blame all Muslims for what a few of them do. Should all white people be blamed now because of this twat?

[Crimson Dynamo]

sputnik... breitbart ... :eek:

Stormfront, Ukip jayden:flutter: http://i64.tinypic.com/332lysn.jpg

[arista]

London Terrorist van attack
identified as Darren Osborne
from Cardiff
his home has been searched.

http://news.sky.com/story/suspect-in-london-van-attack-identified-as-darren-osborne-10920634

[Beso]

Horrible bastard. Its just idiocy to blame all Muslims for what a few of them do. Should all white people be blamed now because of this twat?

He is obviously not right in the head.

[Crimson Dynamo]

a welshman :omgno:

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is obviously not right in the head.

yep and

Security Minister Ben Wallace said the suspect was not known to the security services, and was believed to have acted alone.

crazy lone wolf like the Jo Cox chap

[Tozzie]

It's a hate crime and not a terrorist attack

anyone who causes terror among the public is a terrorist, people were terrified, terrorist he was

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Dianne Abbott was up from her sick bed and able to identify this as a certain terror attack within three hours of it occurring. When usually, 'it is not wise to speculate'."

source Katie Hopkins in her DM article today

[Northern Monkey]

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Got to lock this extremist preacher up.

You do know that Tommy Robinson is'nt actually far right?Many of his political views are more left wing.
When he setup the EDL two core principles were "non racist,non violent" but far right factions got in and splintered off.He is classed as a "race traitor" by actual Nazis and far right activists.He was wanted by them.
One reason he started that group was that he was seeing friends around Luton suffering at the hands of Islamists and people he went to school with being radicalised on British streets.
He and a black friend went to a Britain First meeting but he refused to join as they wouldn't let his friend join because he's black so he set up the EDL to be non racist but to protest against Islamic extremism.
He left the EDL because it was taken over by racists.
He gets constantly slandered in the press and parts of things he says taken out of context and many believe it until they actually listen to him.
He also brings to light alot of things that the papers and news never tell us like the scale of the Pakistani child sex gang problem.There are loads of cases on going and in court and we are kept in the dark about it by mainstream media.

[Northern Monkey]

anyone who causes terror among the public is a terrorist, people were terrified, terrorist he was

I agree.He is a terrorist no doubt.

The worrying thing is that this is beginning to turn into a war.
One side attacks and the other eventually starts retaliating and that is very dangerous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree.He is a terrorist no doubt.

The worrying thing is that this is beginning to turn into a war.
One side attacks and the other eventually starts retaliating and that is very dangerous.

to be fair this is happening in a couple of cities, 99.9% of the UK are unaffected

some twat in Finsbury park is not the UK, its a dick in a really horrible part of London (one of the many)

[Northern Monkey]

to be fair this is happening in a couple of cities, 99.9% of the UK are unaffected

some twat in Finsbury park is not the UK, its a dick in a really horrible part of London (one of the many)

For now.
How long before Islamists hit us again and then another twat retaliates?
If the Islamic terror problem isn't solved then these things are only going to keep happening more and more.It's only going to grow.I can't see an end and that's worrying.That strikes me as the birth of a war.
This man who ran those people over at the mosque was a monster,A monster created by extremists.
Let's hope these people start seeing sense and not retaliating against the wrong people anymore before it gets out of hand.

[Withano]

You do know that Tommy Robinson is'nt actually far right?Many of his political views are more left wing.
When he setup the EDL two core principles were "non racist,non violent" but far right factions got in and splintered off.He is classed as a "race traitor" by actual Nazis and far right activists.He was wanted by them.
One reason he started that group was that he was seeing friends around Luton suffering at the hands of Islamists and people he went to school with being radicalised on British streets.
He and a black friend went to a Britain First meeting but he refused to join as they wouldn't let his friend join because he's black so he set up the EDL to be non racist but to protest against Islamic extremism.
He left the EDL because it was taken over by racists.
He gets constantly slandered in the press and parts of things he says taken out of context and many believe it until they actually listen to him.
He also brings to light alot of things that the papers and news never tell us like the scale of the Pakistani child sex gang problem.There are loads of cases on going and in court and we are kept in the dark about it by mainstream media.

That's actually pretty interesting that he's disassociated himself with the edl. I didn't know that.
When it comes to tommy, I personally think, and I think a lot of people probably feel the same, that he is a guy that opposes one form of extremism very strongly. And when a person only opposes one form of extremism (i.e. Islamic) you must presume that there are racial/hateful implications.
I looked through his tweets - because I wasn't expecting to see him make a 20 minute video shouting at white right wing men - to see what he had to say about this event, and the closest he got to shaming it was asking people to compare this (presumably the death toll) to Manchester. The guy is scum. He's aggressive and honestly his stories about having multiple converted friends is either obvious bull**** or he's the unluckiest man in the universe!
Does make you wonder if this event would have happened at all if edl and Britain first didn't exist. Organisations that preach literally nothing but hate can't leave a good mental impression on anybody. Good for him for disassociating himself with that I guess. He hasn't done too much to prove he's much different though, to me.

[Northern Monkey]

That's actually pretty interesting that he's disassociated himself with the edl. I didn't know that.
When it comes to tommy, I personally think, and I think a lot of people probably feel the same, that he is a guy that opposes one form of extremism very strongly. And when a person only opposes one form of extremism (i.e. Islamic) you must presume that there are racial/hateful implications.
I looked through his tweets - because I wasn't expecting to see him make a 20 minute video shouting at white right wing men - to see what he had to say about this event, and the closest he got to shaming it was asking people to compare this (presumably the death toll) to Manchester. The guy is scum. He's aggressive and honestly his stories about having multiple converted friends is either obvious bull**** or he's the unluckiest man in the universe!
Does make you wonder if this event would have happened at all if edl and Britain first didn't exist. Organisations that preach literally nothing but hate can't leave a good mental impression on anybody. Good for him for disassociating himself with that I guess. He hasn't done too much to prove he's much different though, to me.
I think it's not shocking to him because he's been predicting that this was going to start happening for a long time.Although i did see an interview recently where he called this guy "a monster".
As for him knowing people who've been radicalised i think i can probably believe it due to the extent of the problem in Luton.People getting converted on the street etc,Hate preachers living there and high tensions.There is alot of unreported shiz going on.Most of the country don't see this stuff as thankfully it seems concentrated to certain areas but how long before it grows more widespread is the worry.

[MTVN]

He left the EDL a few years ago now and for a time he was gaining a modicum of respectability by working with the Quilliam foundation which works with the Muslim community to tackle extremism. It was soon after then that he was invited to address the Oxford University union and he did actually give quite a measured and thought-provoking speech there. I don't think he works with Quilliam anymore though and recently he's got back into anti-Islam street activism with EDL-type movements like Pegida. He does always choose his words quite carefully and he doesn't explicitly advocate violence but he is still a dangerous man

[DemolitionRed]

I live in East London where Muslims live en masse. I'm in walking distance of one of Londons biggest mosques. I live and work amongst these people. I even speak Farsi and yet, never once have I met a Muslim who has outwardly shown me he/she's radicalized. Muslims are generally quite reserved with people until they understand that you're not going to judge them on their faith and so I think its highly unlikely that Robinson personally knows people. What he probably knows are the Muslims who have come up against him at rallies and shouted something in support of radicalization. I'd be tempted to use a similar weapon if I saw a group of people throwing around false accusations about me.

[Mystic Mock]

Horrible bastard. Its just idiocy to blame all Muslims for what a few of them do. Should all white people be blamed now because of this twat?

We will get blamed by some of their community.

[Tom4784]

He is obviously not right in the head.

Few terrorists are.

[the truth]

known terrorists should be taken off the streets...known violent thugs should get longer prison sentences and known psychopaths should also be locked away under close supervision

[arista]

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[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/zE4IYjnbStG4Bi21iSKk_timestues2.JPG

[Beso]

Looks like a lunatic and mentally unstable man has flipped after all the recent terrorist attacks in manchester and london..

Blame his mental health and the terrorists.

[Cherie]

Those poor people ..he drove a long way to make his point

[Ashley.]

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Oh, a lone wolf? Unemployed? He had mental health problems? Poor thing.

He was completely in control. I'm not buying the excuses.

[Northern Monkey]

What an idiot.He's giving them exactly what they want.

[JTM45]

He's as much a terrorist as any of the recent attack perpatrators.

[bots]

Oh, a lone wolf? Unemployed? He had mental health problems? Poor thing.

He was completely in control. I'm not buying the excuses.

TBF most terrorists have mental health issues, its not an excuse. They are still terrorists.

Ian Brady had mental health issues, he was still a murderer

[Crimson Dynamo]

yep

Lone Wolf and a bit barmy

Not a radicalised Muslim terrorist

[Kizzy]

And Morgan gets the leader of the EDL on GMB.... :facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

And Morgan gets the leader of the EDL on GMB.... :facepalm:

Tim Ablitt?

[user104658]

yep

Lone Wolf and a bit barmy

Not a radicalised Muslim terrorist
This is true of the vast majority of successful "Muslim Terrorist" attacks, though. Lone wolves who are a bit barmy. They carry out their attacks "in the name of" whatever but most are acting alone or in small groups, not as part of or under the direction of a larger organisation.

[Livia]

ISIS has called on Muslims worldwide to kill the infidel in any way they can. Yeah, most of them are mental... but they still answered the call, so claiming they are acting alone is contrary to intelligence gathered by all the security services where attrocities happen.

What a terrible incident to have worshippers targeted by a Right wing lunatic. But let's not forget that the Islamist terrorists are still winning.

[Jack_]

Why isn't his family being rounded up and arrested? I'm sorry, but they definitely knew he was planning this - they probably hired the van for him. Once he's (inevitably) found guilty, they all need to be deported in my opinion - we cannot have their ilk living amongst us.

[Kizzy]

ISIS has called on Muslims worldwide to kill the infidel in any way they can. Yeah, most of them are mental... but they still answered the call, so claiming they are acting alone is contrary to intelligence gathered by all the security services where attrocities happen.

What a terrible incident to have worshippers targeted by a Right wing lunatic. But let's not forget that the Islamist terrorists are still winning.

Didn't hopkins incite western men to rise up?

As alternative dimension inspired it sounds that someone would actually act on what she stated, which was effectively inciting racial violence.

This is not a game, nobody is 'winning' :/

[Kizzy]

I found it odd that the media go with 'he wasn't known to security services' no, that's because he is a far right extremist and for some reason that is not their remit. It would be a police matter.

[Ashley.]

TBF most terrorists have mental health issues, its not an excuse. They are still terrorists.

Ian Brady had mental health issues, he was still a murderer

It shouldn't be used as an excuse to suggest that he wasn't in control of his own actions. His mental health issues weren't driving the van; he was.