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nodisharmony
14-04-2007, 08:39 PM
We love Youtube.com so much and music videos are brilliant. Live concerts, promo videos, music vids which we could never find normally, are just there.

But, there is so much BAD news, which you don't know.
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If you start uploading music videos and some of them violates copyright, Youtube will remove those particular videos which were reported as being stolen or uploaded without permission.

I it happens again to the same user, your account will be suspended possibly.

It is very hard to get the balance right.

I don't do it, but many videos which I save in my "Playlists" are suddenly gone.

If you save them into your "favourites", they will just disappear and that is it. However, if you create a playlist, then, the jpeg image of a still from the uploaded video stays there, but the video is no longer there.

Once this happens, I try and see if someone else has uploaded the same videos and add them and delete the defunct video.

It is a game of catch-up.

The best way, is to copy it for yourself, before it might disappear, this is the best way, the only way! so you have it for yourself ONLY, forever.
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The big problem is from a company called "Viacom"

They want $1 billion from Youtube.com, if they don't remove over 100,000 videos. (That's a lot of videos) Talk about, (What a shame)

By the way, in the USA, $1 billion is a (hundred Million) In the UK, a billion is a (thousand million) also, if there is two dollars to every pound, then it works out at (Fifty million pounds)

Hope that helps!!
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Here is the lovely article, which you may have read?

I hope that a compromise is made.

a profit sharing idea?
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http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/13/news/companies/youtube_viacom_reaction/

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Viacom sues 'GooTube' for $1 billion
Parent of MTV, Comedy Central hits Google with first major copyright infringement suit. Will other media firms follow?
By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney.com editor at large
March 13 2007: 4:03 PM EDT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Viacom sued Google and its online video subsidiary YouTube for $1 billion Tuesday, the first big lawsuit against the online video site and its parent for copyright infringement.

Experts predict more lawsuits to come.


YouTube co-founders Steven Chen and Chad Hurley have to deal with their first major lawsuit for copyright infringement. Viacom is suing YouTube and its parent company Google for more than $1 billion.

Google CEO Eric Schmidt defended his firm's purchase of YouTube and said it was eager to partner with media firms at two investment conferences earlier this month.
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In the lawsuit filed Tuesday in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, Viacom (Charts), owner of MTV and Comedy Central, said that "almost 160,000 unauthorized clips of Viacom's programming have been available on YouTube and that these clips had been viewed more than 1.5 billion times."

In addition to damages, Viacom said it wants an injunction prohibiting Google and YouTube from further copyright infringement.

Google said that it and YouTube had yet to see the lawsuit but added they feel "confident that YouTube has respected the legal rights of copyright holders and believe the courts will agree."

Viacom first demanded that YouTube take down videos from shows on Viacom-owned networks that were posted on the site without Viacom's consent. Google (Charts) bought YouTube for nearly $1.7 billion last year.

Viacom is the first major media firm to sue Google and YouTube for copyright infringement. Other media companies, including GE (Charts)-owned NBC Universal, CBS (Charts), and Universal Music Group, have decided to partner with YouTube, the world's most popular online video site. But Viacom said that it decided to sue Google and YouTube "after a great deal of unproductive negotiation."

"Obviously, they couldn't come to an agreement. Viacom must have felt its back was against the wall and had to pull the trigger and file a lawsuit," said Barry Cohen, partner in the intellectual property practice with Thorp Reed & Armstrong LLP, a law firm based in Pittsburgh.

Google CEO hits back on YouTube purchase
While other media firms, notably CBS, say they see promotional value in having snippets of their programs posted on YouTube, Viacom has led the charge against YouTube since it feels entitled to advertising revenues tied to viewing of its programming. YouTube typically serves more than 100 million video streams a day.

"Their business model, which is based on building traffic and selling advertising off of unlicensed content, is clearly illegal and is in obvious conflict with copyright laws," Viacom said in a statement Tuesday.

Viacom CEO Philippe Dauman told investors at an industry conference last week that traffic to Viacom-owned sites has surged since the company asked YouTube to remove its content.

Industry experts predict that other media companies might also decide to sue Google and YouTube.

"Every copyright holder has to be seen to defend their rights or otherwise they risk surrendering them altogether," said Brian Wieser, senior vice president at Magna Global, a media buying firm based in New York. "So even where there are minor infractions, if you are not defending a trademark or other copyrighted content, you risk losing those rights. It's too important."

Since Google currently has more than $11 billion in cash on its balance sheet, that also makes it a bigger target for media companies.

"If Google and YouTube don't demonstrate that (they're) taking concerns that media companies like Viacom have by implementing filtering technology and being willing to negotiate fair pricing for distribution and ad revenue sharing, then other media companies will pile on with lawsuits," said James McQuivey, principal analyst for television and media technology with Forrester Research.

One lawyer said the case hinges on who should be responsible for keeping watch over copyrighted content on the Web. Is it the responsibility of sites like Google and YouTube to proactively remove pirated videos or should the onus be on media companies to ask online video sites to take down illegal videos after they've been posted.

"The real question is going to be who needs to do the policing on the Internet. That's what this is a battle of," said Mark Litvack, a partner in the intellectual property practice of Los Angeles-based law firm Manatt, Phelps & Phillips "Do I think this is the last lawsuit? Probably not. Not until the rules are firmly set."

Time to kiss and make up with YouTube
But intellectual property lawyer Cohen said he wasn't sure if other media companies would be eager to sue Google and YouTube, which some jokingly refer to as "GooTube." He pointed out that since several media firms have already partnered with Google and YouTube, they may find that it is wiser to embrace "GooTube" rather than take an antagonistic stance against the online video kingpin.

"You're not going to stop technology. You're not going to stop advancement," Cohen said. "Everyone will keep an intense eye on this case, but you still have to do business with Google and YouTube since they are the 800 pound gorilla."

YouTube's massive reach, particularly with younger consumers, presents a unique problem for media firms. Even though media giants obviously would like to receive revenue from videos posted on video-sharing sites, such as YouTube, getting a video seen on YouTube can lead to increased exposure.

For example, many credit YouTube with the recent resurgence in popularity of NBC's "Saturday Night Live" since the SNL skit "Lazy Sunday" from 2005 became a smash hit on YouTube after it was posted there.

"Marketing people love YouTube and legal people hate it and inside media companies marketing people are actively working with them while legal companies are actively thinking of suing," said Magna's Wieser.

Still, the big media companies are also investing heavily in their own online video sites and are partnering with other video upstarts. Viacom, for example, has purchased iFilm and Atom Entertainment in the past two years and earlier this month announced a deal to allow YouTube competitor Joost to host videos from Viacom-owned networks.

To that end, Forrester's McQuivey said that the lawsuit against Google and YouTube could benefit other smaller online video firms. But it was a shame that Viacom and Google couldn't agree on a deal without litigation, he added.

"Now everybody is going to suffer. We are going to tie up the exciting revolution of consumer video in the courts," he said.

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Google said, however, that it did not expect the lawsuit to affect YouTube's business. "We will certainly not let this suit become a distraction to the continuing growth and strong performance of YouTube and its ability to attract more users, more traffic and build a stronger community," the company said in its statement.

One lawyer suggested that Viacom's suit is just a tough negotiating tactic and that ultimately, Viacom, Google and YouTube would resolve their issues out of court.

"Part of Viacom's plan is to send a message that content is extraordinarily valuable. You can't simply take it for free," said David Gurwin, chair of the entertainment and media practice at Buchanan Ingersoll & Rooney, a law firm based in Pittsburgh.

"But both sides have things to gain and things to lose out of a lawsuit. It's always risky and at the very least it would be time-consuming and expensive. My guess is that they probably will settle out of court," Gurwin added.

Google stock sank 2 percent on Nasdaq while Viacom gained about 0.6 percent on the New York Stock Exchange, both in afternoon trading.

MarkWaldorf
15-04-2007, 09:26 AM
I agree with you. Sometimes I'll go and Youtube to watch clips from TV shows, but when I go back again to watch them, they're gone. It's a breach of 'copyright' apparently.

Plus, on a DH forum I went on. Most of the members had made fan-vids for the characters, but then ALL of them were removed because they used clips from the show without permission. How pathetic.

nodisharmony
15-04-2007, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Markus™
I agree with you. Sometimes I'll go and Youtube to watch clips from TV shows, but when I go back again to watch them, they're gone. It's a breach of 'copyright' apparently.

Plus, on a DH forum I went on. Most of the members had made fan-vids for the characters, but then ALL of them were removed because they used clips from the show without permission. How pathetic.


I know someone who got permission from a company to copy one of their videos and place it on Youtube.

Then, a few month's later, the company had forgot about the permission they gave to this person and while they were e-mailing Youtube about copied videos without permission and getting them removed, due to copyright infringement.

They accidently included this guy's video and he got suspended from Youtube, through no fault of his own.

A casualty of the rule.

I recommend that you copy for your own use, what you really want and would never appear elsewhere.

I added some INXS concert stuff to my favourites and now they are gone.

No chance of seeing them again! I wished I had copied them at the time.

I didn't know how to then, but fortunately, I do now.


nodisharmony :angel:

cgimusic
17-04-2007, 04:33 PM
I don't think it is a problem people uploading music videos. Any artist who people would want to watch have so much money anyway it wont make a difference to them.

nodisharmony
17-04-2007, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by cgimusic
I don't think it is a problem people uploading music videos. Any artist who people would want to watch have so much money anyway it wont make a difference to them.


Sadly, we are a becoming a world of people who like to sue.

We all know about these companies like, "Claims Direct", etc.. suing companies for large amounts of money, if someone trips or falls.

The same goes for Youtube and the companies who own the rights to the songs, etc...

They really couldn't care less about songs from the past, ending up on Youtube.

But, they will be very interested, if they can have a chance of suing Youtube for $1 billion dollars. That is why it is happening. They will be fishing for an out-of-court settlement.

Or a piece of the pie, (so to speak)


nodisharmony :angel:

Mrluvaluva
17-04-2007, 08:22 PM
I just go on the site and watch them. I do not save them. Like you say Nick, it is a game of catch up. For every 1 that is deleted, 10 more will appear usually.

Matt
19-04-2007, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by cgimusic
I don't think it is a problem people uploading music videos. Any artist who people would want to watch have so much money anyway it wont make a difference to them.

Surely if an artist is prepared to upload one of their songs to their website, MySpace ét al then surely these should be allowed on YouTube?

Ruth*Star
19-04-2007, 07:04 AM
I made a Video for about a wrestler and i got a email telling me if i did'nt delete it i would get sued, which made me laugh. Before i got the chance to dlete it, they'd already deleted it and they'd deleted my Aisleyne Video aswell.

nodisharmony
22-04-2007, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Ruth.El
I made a Video for about a wrestler and i got a email telling me if i did'nt delete it i would get sued, which made me laugh. Before i got the chance to dlete it, they'd already deleted it and they'd deleted my Aisleyne Video aswell.


I understand what you mean, Ruth.El.

Youtube are in a bit of a jam right now. This is because Google own it and companies like Viacom know the potential by suing them.

Lot's of the music videos we used to take for granted on Youtube are disappearing fast!


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