Finsbury Park Lone Wolf was radicalised by...the BBC

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh dear, there goes faded writer lady JK Rowling and her wee theory that is was Farage, Hopkins et al

It was just by watching the bbc ...

The suspected Finsbury Park terrorist developed his hatred of Muslims when he watched a BBC drama about a Rotherham grooming gang, a court has heard.

Darren Osborne, 47, who is accused of crashing a £80-a-day rented Citroen van into a group of worshippers on Monday, allegedly developed 'increasingly radical anti-Islamic views' after watching Three Girls, a lauded docu-drama which aired last month.

He also cited Lily Allen (her ridiculous views have been getting more and more ALt-Left)



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4632480/Police-charge-Darren-Osborne-47-murder.html

[Smithy]

Lone wolf is a funny way to spell terrorist

[Northern Monkey]

The dangers of Lilly Allen and the BBC.They both need content warnings

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lone wolf is a funny way to spell terrorist

Smithy is a funny way to spell reliable source

https://leftfootforward.org/images/2017/06/The-Times-804x1024.jpg

[MB.]

So you're saying that the BBC have an anti-Muslim, pro-right bias? I thought the BBC were supposed to be the big bad biased lefty organisation :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So you're saying that the BBC have an anti-Muslim, pro-right bias? I thought the BBC were supposed to be the big bad biased lefty organisation :think:

no i am saying JK Rowling is a twat

[MB.]

no i am saying JK Rowling is a twat

And I'm saying that you're ignorant if you think that this one case somehow proves that the right wing press and its Islamophobic hyperbole, as well as those who seem to exist only to stir up tensions with hate speech like Hopkins, has no impact on drumming up Islamophobia in the UK

[Northern Monkey]

The same Lily Allen who apologised to the son of an Islamist commander on behalf of Britain.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And I'm saying that you're ignorant if you think that this one case somehow proves that the right wing press and its Islamophobic hyperbole, as well as those who seem to exist only to stir up tensions with hate speech like Hopkins, has no impact on drumming up Islamophobia in the UK

and I will remind you, nicely, to not insult members as it can lead to infractions and a posting ban

your welcome

[MB.]

and I will remind you, nicely, to not insult members as it can lead to infractions and a posting ban

your welcome

Well yeah, I think ignoring wider Islamophobia and pretending that the BBC is the root of all of these problems is being purposefully ignorant, I'm not sure how else you'd like me to phrase that

[Withano]

Yeh, Rowling blaming individuals that early on was a bit reckless. But she was right in essense, and its great that we're talking about right wing radicalisation. The terrorist was radicalised by the hatred that surrounded him. His critiques towards Lily Allen not being around for Rotherham(? Christ) makes me think that its been a slower process than just an instant change from a documentary - more likely a gradual buildup from several sources.

The right wing hate preachers that do actually want some sort of peace will likely take note.

[Vicky.]

Am I reading this right..the terrorist blames Lily Allen and a TV show for his actions? WTF

[Crimson Dynamo]

Am I reading this right..the terrorist blames Lily Allen and a TV show for his actions? WTF

you have to start by thinking "this is a guy who runs over people in a van"

but yes her ALt.Left traitorous views do have consequences

I have a feeling we will hear a lot less of her in the near future

[Smithy]

Smithy is a funny way to spell reliable source

https://leftfootforward.org/images/2017/06/The-Times-804x1024.jpg

Your article is from the daily mail...in which they clearly call him a terrorist....that article from the times is days old...

[Brillopad]

The same Lily Allen who apologised to the son of an Islamist commander on behalf of Britain.

She's a disgrace. Spoilt, entitled little madam who tries to justify her privileged lifestyle by being seen to be speaking up for the underdog. It makes her feel better about her hypocrisy.

Note she has never personally housed any of these people. Another good example of talk being cheap.

Keeps her gormless mug in the public eye I guess. She is cringe.

[user104658]

Am I reading this right..the terrorist blames Lily Allen and a TV show for his actions? WTF
I dunno, I remember how wound up ol Kirk used to get when he had watched "My Immigrant Cat Gets Free Mice On Benefits And The Mice Were Also On Benefits 3" on channel 5 :worry:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I dunno, I remember how wound up ol Kirk used to get when he had watched "My Immigrant Cat Gets Free Mice On Benefits And The Mice Were Also On Benefits 3" on channel 5 :worry:.

:flutter: how I wished for season 4

[Kizzy]

you have to start by thinking "this is a guy who runs over people in a van"

but yes her ALt.Left traitorous views do have consequences

I have a feeling we will hear a lot less of her in the near future

So farage, hopkins, the mail and other right wing publications have been absolved because the mail has said it was lily allen who influenced this man?
:joker::joker::joker:

Like PC is alt left traitors the new slur? I's not very good haha!

[Shaun]

Dumb thread. One of many.

[Brother Leon]

We already know JK Rowling is a twat. She wasn't wrong about the likes of Farage spreading hate though.

[Withano]

His argument about Lily Allen was her absense at Rotherham. The only question that arises here is how low is the average IQ of a terrorist.

[James]

I think social media is the main thing that drives radicalisation. More than any media organisation or personality.

[Brillopad]

We already know JK Rowling is a twat. She wasn't wrong about the likes of Farage spreading hate though.

Because you say so! Of course she was!

Muslim extremists are the real purveyors of hate - they hate everyone.

[GiRTh]

Dumb thread. One of many.x2

[Kizzy]

I think social media is the main thing that drives radicalisation. More than any media organisation or personality.

If you class the mail online as social media then I agree :smug:

[Mystic Mock]

Lone wolf is a funny way to spell terrorist

This.

And I'm sorry but the BBC, Farage, or whoever you want to mention shouldn't be held responsible for Terrorist actions that they didn't commit, so LT yes you're right that JK Rowling is wrong, but this thread is also wrong.

[Alf]

I think social media is the main thing that drives radicalisation. More than any media organisation or personality.Have you researched to find out, what you think, is true?

Or are you just having a wild stab in the dark?

[lime]

The DUP founder ..Rev Ian Paisley..most likely was the biggest hate preacher in Europe ..and some folk still fawn over him...As vicious as he was...I could never blame hm for the actions of those that murdered innocents

[Brother Leon]

Because you say so! Of course she was!

Muslim extremists are the real purveyors of hate - they hate everyone.

No, it's because he does. Just because Immigrants or foreigners are a statistic rather than Human beings to him, it doesn't change the fact that he pushes and promotes hatred towards them.

Of course, it's probably only spreading hate if it's a brown man with a beard yelling in a foreign language right?

[James]

Have you researched to find out, what you think, is true?

Or are you just having a wild stab in the dark?

My opinion based on what I see online and read.

[Crimson Dynamo]

By the definition or terrorist, and lets face it - what else have you got

this lone wolf was no terrorist, even though it obviously would help f he is so we can say "see its not just Islam its EVERYBODY"

:facepalm:

[MB.]

"A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"

The guy's a terrorist

[DemolitionRed]

"A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"

The guy's a terrorist

And a guy who uses unlawful and pre-meditated violence against a specific race or religion for political reasons is a terrorist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"

The guy's a terrorist

correct and what political aims did this alki welshman have?

because last time I looked getting angry at a BBC documentary isnt one

[MB.]

I'm keen to know what part of "driving a van into a crowd of civilians whilst shouting about how you want to kill Muslims" you're so keen to excuse (the latter part about wanting to get rid of Muslims, much as ISIS want to get rid of whoever they deem to be "non-believers" aka everyone but ISIS, seeming rather like a political and/or religious aim)

[Tom4784]

I'd say he was radicalised by right wing media like the Mail that makes millions from sowing seeds of hatred and fear, to suggest he watched a TV show and decided to attempt mass murder is both insulting and offensive. The article is nothing more but one of the key offenders in inciting hatred trying to pass the buck.

If islamic extremists are to blame for creating and radicalising muslim terrorists then it only makes sense that Right Wing media can be held responsible for radicalising Right Wing terrorists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd say he was radicalised by right wing media like the Mail that makes millions from sowing seeds of hatred and fear, to suggest he watched a TV show and decided to attempt mass murder is both insulting and offensive. The article is nothing more but one of the key offenders in inciting hatred trying to pass the buck.

If islamic extremists are to blame for creating and radicalising muslim terrorists then it only makes sense that Right Wing media can be held responsible for radicalising Right Wing terrorists.

well sadly for you and that agenda he already stated why he did it

and guess what?

you are wrong

[Tom4784]

well sadly for you and that agenda he already stated why he did it

and guess what?

you are wrong

That's nice.

[Brillopad]

well sadly for you and that agenda he already stated why he did it

and guess what?

you are wrong

The DM creates terrorists now! :joker:

Nothing to do the ideology and warped mindsets of those that buy into control and murder via religion - just blame the Daily Mail. :joker::joker:

I really have heard it all now.

[jaxie]

As I always understood it a terrorist was someone who committed atrosities in the name of some sort of political or religious organisation.

Is this guy affiliated with some organisation, like does he have links to the EDL or something? Or is he a lone racist loony trying to commit mass murder? If groups like EDL start to buy into this form of terrorism we are going to find ourselves in the middle of a war zone pretty fast.

[MB.]

It doesn't necessarily have to be in the name of an organisation afaik - just an ideology

[Tom4784]

http://i.imgur.com/elnLWs9.jpg?1

[user104658]

well sadly for you and that agenda he already stated why he did it

and guess what?

you are wrong
The show he watched was the straw that broke the camel's back and set him off on a violent path. He almost certainly had a certain preconditioned mindset for a long time before that, though, and that comes from our lovely great British tabloids.

[Kizzy]

http://i.imgur.com/elnLWs9.jpg?1

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Brillopad]

The show he watched was the straw that broke the camel's back and set him off on a violent path. He almost certainly had a certain preconditioned mindset for a long time before that, though, and that comes from our lovely great British tabloids.

Nothing to do we all the ISIS terror attacks then - couldn't possibly be that. :shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

The man who died in the Seven Sisters Road attack by Darren Osborne has been named as Makram Ali. Many tributes have been paid to him as a gentle and peace-loving grandfather.

At 51 he was not as old as the original impression given. Though he had been fitted with a pacemaker, it seems the cause of his collapse shortly before the attack was a known weakness in one of his legs, not a heart attack or anything of that sort. He was pronounced dead at the scene after being crushed by the van whilst on the ground receiving first aid for his leg problem.

Seven people are still in hospital, three of them critically ill. One of them is a mother of three children who is in a coma.

[user104658]

Nothing to do we all the ISIS terror attacks then - couldn't possibly be that. :shrug:
Are you saying that you believe he was provoked / justified?

[Brillopad]

Are you saying that you believe he was provoked / justified?

No - but it seems obvious that all the attacks recently might push some people, whatever their issues, over the edge.

[user104658]

No - but it seems obvious that all the attacks recently might push some people, whatever their issues, over the edge.
And yet you flat out reject the notion that all of the bombing and death in the middle east might push some middle eastern people over the edge?

[Brillopad]

And yet you flat out reject the notion that all of the bombing and death in the middle east might push some middle eastern people over the edge?

I think the difference is that it could have been a one-off moment of madness from someone on the edge.

That of course does not justify his actions, but, at this point, unless we discover he has a history of such or similar violent and aggressive behaviours, can't be compared to years and years of pre-planned ISIS terrorism that has claimed hundreds of thousands/millions of lives.

[Kizzy]

And yet you flat out reject the notion that all of the bombing and death in the middle east might push some middle eastern people over the edge?

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-18-2015/RiaKwx.gif

[user104658]

I think the difference is that it could have been a one-off moment of madness from someone on the edge.

That of course does not justify his actions, but, at this point, unless we discover he has a history of such or similar violent and aggressive behaviours, can't be compared to years and years of pre-planned ISIS terrorism that has claimed hundreds of thousands/millions of lives.
But the vast majority of "terrorist incidents" in the West have been carried out by lone wolf individuals, pairs or small groups who have absolutely no link to ISIS or any other larger organisation.

[Kizzy]

But the vast majority of "terrorist incidents" in the West have been carried out by lone wolf individuals, pairs or small groups who have absolutely no link to ISIS or any other larger organisation.

Look ar the killers of Lee Rigby who spoke to camera, they placed the blame squarely on foreign policy, I don't doubt that radicalisation happens but it isn't always the case and where radicalisation is blamed it's also denied that it can be a tool that is used by right wing organisations...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/24/far-right-activists-detained-at-uk-border-before-britain-first-rally

[jaxie]

I think the difference is that it could have been a one-off moment of madness from someone on the edge.

That of course does not justify his actions, but, at this point, unless we discover he has a history of such or similar violent and aggressive behaviours, can't be compared to years and years of pre-planned ISIS terrorism that has claimed hundreds of thousands/millions of lives.

Didn't he hire a van though? That doesn't suggest a moment of madness it suggests a premeditated act.

[jaxie]

Look ar the killers of Lee Rigby who spoke to camera, they placed the blame squarely on foreign policy, I don't doubt that radicalisation happens but it isn't always the case and where radicalisation is blamed it's also denied that it can be a tool that is used by right wing organisations...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/24/far-right-activists-detained-at-uk-border-before-britain-first-rally

No excuses for hurting someone. :nono:

[Kizzy]

No excuses for hurting someone. :nono:

I used it as an example not an excuse, I'll thank you not to infer different.

[jaxie]

I used it as an example not an excuse, I'll thank you not to infer different.

Don't use politics to excuse vile acts. :nono:

[DemolitionRed]

The white supremacist murdering a member of the Labour Party was not a "Terrorist" according to the press. He was a "lone wolf". The same has happened with this recent deliberate murder.

A violent political motivated attack = terrorism. And we need to stop trying to soften something that ticks all the box's.

[jaxie]

The white supremacist murdering a member of the Labour Party was not a "Terrorist" according to the press. He was a "lone wolf". The same has happened with this recent deliberate murder.

A violent political motivated attack = terrorism. And we need to stop trying to soften something that ticks all the box's.

Well as I said earlier as I had understood the definition of terrorism it was an atrosity committed by someone affliated to a political or religious organisation so in the case of Jo Cox her attacker was so affiliated and probably should be called terrorism. Although someone else said that the person doesn't have to be an affiliated to an organization.

[Tom4784]

I think the difference is that it could have been a one-off moment of madness from someone on the edge.

That of course does not justify his actions, but, at this point, unless we discover he has a history of such or similar violent and aggressive behaviours, can't be compared to years and years of pre-planned ISIS terrorism that has claimed hundreds of thousands/millions of lives.

http://i.imgur.com/elnLWs9.jpg?1

I'm just gonna post this every time I see someone try to vindicate this terrorist for no other apparent reason than him being white.

It's utterly hypocritical to try to paint this guy as not being a terrorist when he ticks all the same boxes as an islamic terrorist.....except the skin colour box...

[Kizzy]

Can I? It will save a lot of time and effort :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Is anyone disputing that this guy was a terrorist?I thought that was a given.
The topic is about how he was radicalised is'nt it?

[Kizzy]

Is anyone disputing that this guy was a terrorist?I thought that was a given.
The topic is about how he was radicalised is'nt it?

Ah yes the great self radicalised terrorism debate of 2017

[user104658]

Ah yes the great self radicalised terrorism debate of 2017
No it was Lilly Allen.

...... ........ ..

[Crimson Dynamo]

The white supremacist murdering a member of the Labour Party was not a "Terrorist" according to the press. He was a "lone wolf". The same has happened with this recent deliberate murder.

A violent political motivated attack = terrorism. And we need to stop trying to soften something that ticks all the box's.

to call that bloke a terrorist is laughable

[Brillopad]

http://i.imgur.com/elnLWs9.jpg?1

I'm just gonna post this every time I see someone try to vindicate this terrorist for no other apparent reason than him being white.

It's utterly hypocritical to try to paint this guy as not being a terrorist when he ticks all the same boxes as an islamic terrorist.....except the skin colour box...

Boohoolocks!!!

[Jack_]

well sadly for you and that agenda he already stated why he did it

and guess what?

you are wrong

So does that mean when Islamic extremists give their reasoning for committing a terrorist attack, you'll believe them? Like Lee Rigby's killers (as has already been mentioned) citing UK foreign policy - you believe them and accept their reasoning?

to call that bloke a terrorist is laughable

To pretend they're not terrorists simply for being white is laughable

[DemolitionRed]

to call that bloke a terrorist is laughable

For you it is but you've made it clear many, many times how you feel about Muslims and immigrants, so no surprise at ^those words!

[Brillopad]

For you it is but you've made it clear many, many times how you feel about Muslims and immigrants, so no surprise at ^those words!

AND no surprise at yours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

AND no surprise at yours.

yes, one thinks that the porthole only views to the sea and not the the cabin within?

..................................

[DemolitionRed]

AND no surprise at yours.

The sad truth about bigotry is that most bigots either don't realize that they are bigots, or they convince themselves that their bigotry is perfectly justified!

Wayne Trotman

[Brillopad]

The sad truth about bigotry is that most bigots either don't realize that they are bigots, or they convince themselves that their bigotry is perfectly justified!

Wayne Trotman

Bigotry means intolerance of opinions different to their own. So you you see the sad truth is you are every bit as bigoted as you accuse me of being. So get off your high horse.

[DemolitionRed]

bigotry

noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries
intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.
"the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry"
synonyms, prejudice, bias, partisanship, sectarianism, discrimination, unfairness, injustice; intolerance, narrow-mindedness, fanaticism, dogmatism; racism, racialism, sexism, heterosexism, homophobia, chauvinism, anti-Semitism, jingoism;

antonyms: tolerance! :hehe:

[Kizzy]

Don't use politics to excuse vile acts. :nono:

Don't use serious debates to troll me :nono:

[jaxie]

Don't use serious debates to troll me :nono:

As if you were that lucky!

[user104658]

Don't use serious debates to troll me :nono:

CtOEig1l8SA

[jaxie]

CtOEig1l8SA

Shame about the quality of the singing.

[user104658]

Shame about the quality of the singing.

:omgno: It's beautiful.

[Crimson Dynamo]

For you it is but you've made it clear many, many times how you feel about Muslims and immigrants, so no surprise at ^those words!

Just to correct you as i am sure that your mistake was unintended

I dislike the religion of Islam I think it is a nasty superstitious backward cult and I dislike illegal immigration and uncontrolled immigration


to say muslims and immigation is a bit naughty but i am sure that you did not mean that :)