Black barbie doll controversy: this is why I hate political correctness

[Liberty4eva]

Watch both of these clips back to back. How can both of these clips exist in the same universe? :shrug:

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If the doll is more expensive than the white one, black people are unhappy. Communists and lefties will claim this is to exploit blacks by taking their money. If the doll is cheaper than the white one, black people are unhappy. Sociologists will claim this makes blacks feel not as valuable as whites. The only way they can ever be happy is if the doll is the exact same price as the white one.

[MB.]

What's so bad about wanting equality, i.e. the same price for dolls no matter the skin colour? :unsure: Let alone how this is apparently the fault of political correctness and/or communism...

[Smithy]

Ok but... why can't they be the same price

[Kazanne]

maybe the black one is more expensive to make:shrug:

[Toy Soldier]

They can exist in the same universe because - I've been lead to believe (I can't say for sure as I've never been there) - there's more than one person of each race in America. It's not a contradiction because different people are annoyed by different things?

The stupidest thing about it all, really, is that the first one is quite blatantly just a sales oversight - the dolls were clearly marked as being the same price pre-sale but the discounted price wasn't applied across the whole range so only the "classic" white barbie doll was reduced? If the standard price was different that would be another discussion.

The second one, to be honest, does have wider implications and if Walmart was using their brains instead of just algorithms they would have recognised that. Yes, one is reduced to clear because of not selling as well, but that's not necessarily a good thing to point out.

[Liberty4eva]

What's so bad about wanting equality, i.e. the same price for dolls no matter the skin colour? :unsure: Let alone how this is apparently the fault of political correctness and/or communism...

What's so bad about wanting to go 2 seconds without having this political correctness shoved down our throats? :shrug: People look too much into things. This isn't a question of equality. It's a question of supply and demand.

[Toy Soldier]

What's so bad about wanting to go 2 seconds without having this political correctness shoved down our throats? :shrug: People look too much into things. This isn't a question of equality. It's a question of supply and demand.

"Why do we have to have political correctness shoved down our throats!", you ask, whilst shoving free-market economics down everyone's throats.

[Liberty4eva]

"Why do we have to have political correctness shoved down our throats!", you ask, whilst shoving free-market economics down everyone's throats.

I'm not shoving it down anyone's throat. It's the system we live under.

[Brillopad]

I'm not shoving it down anyone's throat. It's the system we live under.

It is indeed the system we live under. Pointing that out is informative.

[Toy Soldier]

I'm not shoving it down anyone's throat. It's the system we live under.

And if something is the status quo, it ought to never be questioned. Right?

[Toy Soldier]

It is indeed the system we live under. Pointing that out is informative.

I doubt you were being intentionally sarcastic here but, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and say ":joker: Oh snap".

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do they just have arch-hetro Ken?

where is the gay doll?

disgusten

[Brillopad]

I doubt you were being intentionally sarcastic here but, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and say ":joker: Oh snap".

I was agreeing with the poster and supporting his thread. Defininitely not being sarcastic to him. You on the other hand shouldn't project.

[Liberty4eva]

And if something is the status quo, it ought to never be questioned. Right?

People have the right to question it but, currently, that is the system. To get mad at Walmart or Target for going along with the system is not quite fair.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I am so sick of the "shoving down our throats" thing. For example i hate religion and it is LITERALLY shoved down our throats for centuries but i am not saying that because it is an important part of other peoples lives.. except when it is hateful against a group which then i will say something.

Also same group of people keep opening threads like this then complain about pc culture.. you are shoving it down your throat yourself..

[Withano]

It is indeed the system we live under. Pointing that out is informative.

:joker:

[Niamh.]

I am so sick of the "shoving down our throats" thing. For example i hate religion and it is LITERALLY shoved down our throats for centuries but i am not saying that because it is an important part of other peoples lives.. except when it is hateful against a group which then i will say something.

Also same group of people keep opening threads like this then complain about pc culture.. you are shoving it down your throat yourself..
That is very true Vanessa

[Withano]

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[Brillopad]

I am so sick of the "shoving down our throats" thing. For example i hate religion and it is LITERALLY shoved down our throats for centuries but i am not saying that because it is an important part of other peoples lives.. except when it is hateful against a group which then i will say something.

Also same group of people keep opening threads like this then complain about pc culture.. you are shoving it down your throat yourself..

Sorry, but I disagree that creating a thread is shoving anything down someone's throats. Opening a thread involves choice, choosing to respond to a thread/post involves further choice.

PC on the other hand aims not only to control thoughts and opinions but to intimidate. This allows for a lot less choice.

[Kazanne]

Sorry, but I disagree that creating a thread is shoving anything down someone's throats. Opening a thread involves choice, choosing to respond to a thread/post involves further choice.

PC on the other hand aims not only to control thoughts and opinions but to intimidate. This allows for a lot less choice.

:wavey: quite right brillo,people moan the forum is quiet then when you make a thread they dont agree with,they moan at that:laugh:

[Liberty4eva]

Sorry, but I disagree that creating a thread is shoving anything down someone's throats. Opening a thread involves choice, choosing to respond to a thread/post involves further choice.

PC on the other hand aims not only to control thoughts and opinions but to intimidate. This allows for a lot less choice.

Bingo. And I don't understand how religion got into this topic.

[MB.]

PC on the other hand aims not only to control thoughts and opinions but to intimidate. This allows for a lot less choice.

Then how is wanting a non-white doll, made by the same company and with its skin colour being the only real difference, to cost the same as a white doll in any way trying to "control thoughts" through intimidation? Isn't it just common sense? Or is this more of an issue with the black doll existing in the first place? There's a time and place for this 'boo political correctness is evil' stuff and I really fail to see how this is it

[Northern Monkey]

When i was young i worked in retail for a few years and this stuff happens all the time.Products that are almost identical but maybe a different colour or slight pattern or logo variation will be priced differently just because they're not shifting.Products are not looked at for what they actually are but just as a part number or PLU code or SKU code.There definitely should be more in depth stock analysis to prevent mistakes like this accross all Products to prevent similar items having wildly different pricetags.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Sorry, but I disagree that creating a thread is shoving anything down someone's throats. Opening a thread involves choice, choosing to respond to a thread/post involves further choice.

PC on the other hand aims not only to control thoughts and opinions but to intimidate. This allows for a lot less choice.

I dont see these kinds of stories often unless threads open on tibb so i dont see how it is shoved down our throats.

Bingo. And I don't understand how religion got into this topic.

I said "for example" . We are talking about the things that get "shoved down our throats" so it was a fitting example

[Brillopad]

Then how is wanting a non-white doll, made by the same company and with its skin colour being the only real difference, to cost the same as a white doll in any way trying to "control thoughts" through intimidation? Isn't it just common sense? Or is this more of an issue with the black doll existing in the first place? There's a time and place for this 'boo political correctness is evil' stuff and I really fail to see how this is it

They should cost the same unless, as another poster said, there is some reason why making one costs more to make than the other, although I can't imagine what that would be. That isn't the PC I am talking about.

[Liberty4eva]

I dont see these kinds of stories often unless threads open on tibb so i dont see how it is shoved down our throats.

I said "for example" . We are talking about the things that get "shoved down our throats" so it was a fitting example

Okay, and let me say I agree with you that religion has for centuries been "shoved down our throats". FYI, political correctness HAS become a religion of sorts and it also gets shoved down our throats like the religions of the past.

[MB.]

They should cost the same unless, as another poster said, there is some reason why making one costs more to make than the other, although I can't imagine what that would be. That isn't the PC I am talking about.

But if they cost more to make, then how come there's also a video in the OP complaining about them costing less than the white doll? That doesn't add up, surely?

[MB.]

And even if they did cost more to make, they surely can't cost twice the price... unless they're lined with gold or something...

[Amy Jade]

The first video is moronic. The white one was probably cheaper because they had more in stock. Lots of shops will do similar, place excessive over stocks on sale.

People are desperate for controversy over the smallest insignificant things :skull:

[Niamh.]

I dont see these kinds of stories often unless threads open on tibb so i dont see how it is shoved down our throats.



I said "for example" . We are talking about the things that get "shoved down our throats" so it was a fitting example
Exactly, that "pale male stale" thing is a prime example, literally no one on the forum had ever heard that until a member on here posted a thread informing us all so basically he was the one spreading the word [emoji23]

[Liberty4eva]

I actually think blacks are the biggest victims of this type of illogical political correctness. They are essentially trained by the media (and the education system) to view themselves as victims. And unfortunately that becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

[jaxie]

It seems rather sad that the price of a doll becomes a race issue. Is it oversensitivity? I'm sure there probably are cases of racism in commerce but I don't think this is one of them. Clearly the doll prices weren't deliberately changed in either case because one was black and one was white.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Exactly, that "pale male stale" thing is a prime example, literally no one on the forum had ever heard that until a member on here posted a thread informing us all so basically he was the one spreading the word [emoji23]

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker: i have never heard that thing before.

Okay, and let me say I agree with you that religion has for centuries been "shoved down our throats". FYI, political correctness HAS become a religion of sorts and it also gets shoved down our throats like the religions of the past.

I think it is because people grow up with hatered and bullying thats why people get very defensive about littlest things. Black/LGBT rights have just been earned, it is still fresh in minds of people and hatered of bigoted people are still in place. In another 50 years hopefully these things will become the "norm" so people wont treat each other differently.

[letmein]

I actually think blacks are the biggest victims of this type of illogical political correctness. They are essentially trained by the media (and the education system) to view themselves as victims. And unfortunately that becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Reported.

[Tom4784]

In our shop, Barbies and Kens are the same price but all the other Barbie characters are cheaper. It's a bit odd if it's just the black characters that are cheaper but in our case I'd simply say it's supply and demand, not many kids want the side characters over the protagonists.

If black Barbies are cheaper than the other side barbies though then that's a bit dodgy and it does send out a bad message.

[Northern Monkey]

In our shop, Barbies and Kens are the same price but all the other Barbie characters are cheaper. It's a bit odd if it's just the black characters that are cheaper but in our case I'd simply say it's supply and demand, not many kids want the side characters over the protagonists.

If black Barbies are cheaper than the other side barbies though then that's a bit dodgy and it does send out a bad message.

Maybe it's supply and demand too?

Sales may reflect the demographic of the population hence why they reduced it?

[Greg!]

Why do they just have arch-hetro Ken?

where is the gay doll?

disgusten

They actually are bringing out diverse Ken dolls. Saw it on facebook the other day :)

[Tom4784]

Maybe it's supply and demand too?

Sales may reflect the demographic of the population hence why they reduced it?

All the side characters should be priced the same though, it doesn't make much sense from a marketing perspective to sell the same products at different prices based on race. It's a PR nightmare and most kids won't care about the race of the characters in the first place.

In my experience of children in my shop, they'll just pick up the first non-Barbie Barbie doll on the shelf and be happy with it. They don't often pick through the line of dolls to find the one they want.

[Alf]

I have the same issue with Greggs. The sausage, cheese and bean pasties cost more than the potato and corned beef ones. They should be forced to change their prices, so all pasties cost the same.

[Northern Monkey]

All the side characters should be priced the same though, it doesn't make much sense from a marketing perspective to sell the same products at different prices based on race. It's a PR nightmare and most kids won't care about the race of the characters in the first place.

In my experience of children in my shop, they'll just pick up the first non-Barbie Barbie doll on the shelf and be happy with it. They don't often pick through the line of dolls to find the one they want.

Yeah i think it was a mistake to price them differently cos as you say it is a PR nightmare.I think they may have just done it because one was selling worse than the other though.Basically just looking at the PLU on a computer and sales figures but not looking at the actual product itself.Maybe?

[jennyjuniper]

I'm waiting to see what happens if they make an oriental barbie!! :)

[Tom4784]

Yeah i think it was a mistake to price them differently cos as you say it is a PR nightmare.I think they may have just done it because one was selling worse than the other though.Basically just looking at the PLU on a computer and sales figures but not looking at the actual product itself.Maybe?

Possibly but it's foolish all the same.