Men - sperm goes off too.

[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/men-sperm-male-fertility-40

Interesting little article on how it seems that time catches up with men too, in more ways than one.

[user104658]

I find the ending a little depressing!

"Do you carry on chasing women 20 years younger and assume they will be thrilled? Or do you look in a mirror and think: you know what, I’m past my peak. I think I’ll start looking at women my own age."

What is she saying here? She sort of is confirming that she also believes that women past a certain age are some sort of "second prize" that a "second prize" male should be willing to settle for. What a miserable and shallow thought :umm2:.

I mean, I'm hardly "old" - I'm only 32 - and also happily married and my wife is 30. But if the worst did happen and I was ever single again, I can say quite confidently that it's VERY unlikely that I would have any interest in women under 30? And I get slightly uncomfortable when other guys my age are perving on girls who are say 18 - 21... all I can see is basically a child :joker:.

But yeah to go back to my original point, I'm finding myself feeling really bad for the woman who wrote this article, that she thinks that anyone who is interested in women over (she seems to be saying) about 35 must be "settling" for something less than ideal. That doing so is "living in the real world" and not "the dream". That's really bleak and if she believes it I don't think she can be very happy or have very good self esteem? If she thinks that every man who shows interest is really thinking "Well, I'd rather have a younger girl, but I'll make do with this one because I'm past it too".

The fact is, with very few exceptions, the majority of people are going to have most in common with people who are "around" the same sort of age, or at least of the same generation. If I *was* to find myself on a dating profile right now... I'd be looking at the age range 28 - 40 tbh. And as I'm 32, that range is from 4 years younger than me to 8 years older than me, so actually skewed towards older :laugh:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I had the pipe re-routed so its not an issue. Prior to that I could impregnate a girl from 20 paces. Proper little Michael Phelps each and every one my boys

:hmph:

[user104658]

I had the pipe re-routed so its not an issue. Prior to that I could impregnate a girl from 20 paces. Proper little Michael Phelps each and every one my boys

:hmph:

Yeah, I ended up having to take drastic measures too. Why are the pamphlets so FULL OF LIES though. "You should be able to return to light work within 24 hours". **** off I was in bed with a bag of frozen peas duck-taped to my crotch!

But yeah... the little Toy Soldiers were troopers. First daughter my wife was on the pill, second was literally the first squirt after we decided to try for a second. We've also been through two miscarriages since then - one when she had a coil implant, and one when we were using condoms (admittedly... not particularly well :laugh: ). There was just no stopping the little bastards :fist:. Had to cut them off at the source. Every slightly late period was causing me horrendous anxiety :hehe:

[Kizzy]

Did any man read this and think 'this is brand new information' who seriously thought you stayed as virile as you were in your 20s all your life?.. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I find the ending a little depressing!

"Do you carry on chasing women 20 years younger and assume they will be thrilled? Or do you look in a mirror and think: you know what, I’m past my peak. I think I’ll start looking at women my own age."

What is she saying here? She sort of is confirming that she also believes that women past a certain age are some sort of "second prize" that a "second prize" male should be willing to settle for. What a miserable and shallow thought :umm2:.

I mean, I'm hardly "old" - I'm only 32 - and also happily married and my wife is 30. But if the worst did happen and I was ever single again, I can say quite confidently that it's VERY unlikely that I would have any interest in women under 30? And I get slightly uncomfortable when other guys my age are perving on girls who are say 18 - 21... all I can see is basically a child :joker:.

But yeah to go back to my original point, I'm finding myself feeling really bad for the woman who wrote this article, that she thinks that anyone who is interested in women over (she seems to be saying) about 35 must be "settling" for something less than ideal. That doing so is "living in the real world" and not "the dream". That's really bleak and if she believes it I don't think she can be very happy or have very good self esteem? If she thinks that every man who shows interest is really thinking "Well, I'd rather have a younger girl, but I'll make do with this one because I'm past it too".

The fact is, with very few exceptions, the majority of people are going to have most in common with people who are "around" the same sort of age, or at least of the same generation. If I *was* to find myself on a dating profile right now... I'd be looking at the age range 28 - 40 tbh. And as I'm 32, that range is from 4 years younger than me to 8 years older than me, so actually skewed towards older :laugh:.

:clap2:

[user104658]

Did any man read this and think 'this is brand new information' who seriously thought you stayed as virile as you were in your 20s all your life?.. :laugh:

I think it's a fairly common misconception that women have a "biological clock"
but that men are "fine to wait until whenever". Obviously everyone knows that some older gents find it a bit more difficult to get going, but many assume that the sperm itself is just as good at 60 as at 20.

[the truth]

I find the ending a little depressing!

"Do you carry on chasing women 20 years younger and assume they will be thrilled? Or do you look in a mirror and think: you know what, I’m past my peak. I think I’ll start looking at women my own age."

What is she saying here? She sort of is confirming that she also believes that women past a certain age are some sort of "second prize" that a "second prize" male should be willing to settle for. What a miserable and shallow thought :umm2:.

I mean, I'm hardly "old" - I'm only 32 - and also happily married and my wife is 30. But if the worst did happen and I was ever single again, I can say quite confidently that it's VERY unlikely that I would have any interest in women under 30? And I get slightly uncomfortable when other guys my age are perving on girls who are say 18 - 21... all I can see is basically a child :joker:.

But yeah to go back to my original point, I'm finding myself feeling really bad for the woman who wrote this article, that she thinks that anyone who is interested in women over (she seems to be saying) about 35 must be "settling" for something less than ideal. That doing so is "living in the real world" and not "the dream". That's really bleak and if she believes it I don't think she can be very happy or have very good self esteem? If she thinks that every man who shows interest is really thinking "Well, I'd rather have a younger girl, but I'll make do with this one because I'm past it too".

The fact is, with very few exceptions, the majority of people are going to have most in common with people who are "around" the same sort of age, or at least of the same generation. If I *was* to find myself on a dating profile right now... I'd be looking at the age range 28 - 40 tbh. And as I'm 32, that range is from 4 years younger than me to 8 years older than me, so actually skewed towards older :laugh:.
as always your only empathy is for the women....not the men who age and die 5 years younger

[Niamh.]

I think it's a fairly common misconception that women have a "biological clock"
but that men are "fine to wait until whenever". Obviously everyone knows that some older gents find it a bit more difficult to get going, but many assume that the sperm itself is just as good at 60 as at 20.

And obviously besides the physical aspect, you're bound to be thinking of how long and how healthy of a life you have left to raise the kid anyway

[Niamh.]

as always your only empathy is for the women....not the men who age and die 5 years younger

What relevance does that even have to this subject? Seriously?

[user104658]

as always your only empathy is for the women....not the men who age and die 5 years younger

Wtf :joker: I didn't say anything about the men... I didn't say anything about women in general even... I was talking SPECIFICALLY about the woman who wrote the article because she seems to believe some things that just are not true. The only part of what she wrote that I suppose you could say is unfair on men in the same way, is when she says that older men are stupid to think that a younger woman "will be thrilled" if he shows her attention.

From the flipside, her actual ideas about men and women, she's prety sad and cynical about both in equal measure to be fair. She paints men as being only truly interested in younger women, but she also seems to be suggesting that women are only interested in men who are either "hot and young" or "rich and old". She's quite equal opportunities in making people out to be horrible and shallow.

But anyway... my sympathy was only for her and her depressing view of life and relationships, I have no idea where you got the idea that I was expressing "empathy for women", I was actually pointing out that she is wrong in her ideas about what men want and being unfair... and I'm TOTALLY baffled as to where men having a lower average lifespan comes into it? Neither the thread nor the link has anything to do with health (beyond reproductive health) or mortality??

[Vicky.]

Actually burst out laughing at that. Great post TS. The age of death of men is kind of noway relevant to this thread tbh, unless the men dying 5 years before women are drowning themselves in their own sperm or something :S

I did think men could do it whenever. I know a lot of older men need viagra but I did assume that sperm was pretty much the same. obviously quality would decline a bit with age, but you see so many older guys fathering children that I never really thought deeply into it.

[Brillopad]

I think it's a fairly common misconception that women have a "biological clock"
but that men are "fine to wait until whenever". Obviously everyone knows that some older gents find it a bit more difficult to get going, but many assume that the sperm itself is just as good at 60 as at 20.

Many men do think that though which is why I created this thread. Men, like women, fade. Fact of life, painful as it may be to some. Knowledge is power though.

[the truth]

What relevance does that even have to this subject? Seriously?

every relevance seriously. men age quicker and die far younger this is wholly relevant to what time men have for relationships and sperm and having kids...men should be able to retire earlier than women and get an earlier pension, not the other way around as men have 5 years less time on earth than women on average across the entire western world and the gap is increasing as women are looked after infinitely better

[the truth]

Actually burst out laughing at that. Great post TS. The age of death of men is kind of noway relevant to this thread tbh, unless the men dying 5 years before women are drowning themselves in their own sperm or something :S

I did think men could do it whenever. I know a lot of older men need viagra but I did assume that sperm was pretty much the same. obviously quality would decline a bit with age, but you see so many older guys fathering children that I never really thought deeply into it.

yea early male death is sooo hilarious insnt it?

[Vicky.]

yea early male death is sooo hilarious insnt it?

What does this have to do with the quality of sperm as men age?

[Niamh.]

What does this have to do with the quality of sperm as men age?

Nothing Vicky. But woman are bad etc etc etc

[the truth]

What does this have to do with the quality of sperm as men age?

everything...the quality weakens, men age worse and worse, they get nearly 50 times less funding spent on their health overall when you combine all charities, tax payers money, nhs spending, refuges, homelessness and mental health per head...so their health deteriorates far quicker than women and the sperm suffers as does the time frame men have to have kids ...kids are made with sperm sorry if that offends feminists

[Vicky.]

everything...the quality weakens, men age worse and worse, they get nearly 50 times less funding spent on their health overall when you combine all charities, tax payers money, nhs spending, refuges, homelessness and mental health per head...so their health deteriorates far quicker than women and the sperm suffers as does the time frame men have to have kids ...kids are made with sperm sorry if that offends feminists

https://68.media.tumblr.com/d1a4a0df2284f5b5dacae3ba56a03bc5/tumblr_nbdm3wp9Aa1sry60to1_500.gif

[user104658]

Many men do think that though which is why I created this thread. Men, like women, fade. Fact of life, painful as it may be to some. Knowledge is power though.

It depends on perspective I suppose. Does it have to be seen as fading? I suppose maybe a lot of people fear their own mortality and that's why the cling to the idea that young=attractive, like anchoring to a younger person might perhaps keep someone a little further from death themselves?

[thesheriff443]

Watched a program not so long ago on middle aged men and the affects alcohol has on sperm.
There are a few of us men that know what's what.

[user104658]

everything...the quality weakens, men age worse and worse, they get nearly 50 times less funding spent on their health overall when you combine all charities, tax payers money, nhs spending, refuges, homelessness and mental health per head...so their health deteriorates far quicker than women and the sperm suffers as does the time frame men have to have kids ...kids are made with sperm sorry if that offends feminists

Truth this has nothing to do with this thread. This isn't a feminist or anti-male thread... is it? Am I missing something? :umm2:

[thesheriff443]

Truth this has nothing to do with this thread. This isn't a feminist or anti-male thread... is it? Am I missing something? :umm2:

Just missing a working pair of balls is our truth

[thesheriff443]

I bet you lost count of how many times you been kicked in the nut sack truth

[the truth]

Truth this has nothing to do with this thread. This isn't a feminist or anti-male thread... is it? Am I missing something? :umm2:

typical liberal playing dumb....try joining the dots, mens sperm worsens quicker as they do not get enough spent on their health per head which is why they age much quicker than women and die younger...it also reduces the time they have with their kids when their sperm impregnates a woman

[user104658]

typical liberal playing dumb....try joining the dots, mens sperm worsens quicker as they do not get enough spent on their health per head which is why they age much quicker than women and die younger...it also reduces the time they have with their kids when their sperm impregnates a woman

All of this is utter nonsense Truth! Men's sperm DOESN'T "worsen quicker" - men and women both peak i terms of reproduction in their 20's, after which point, women become infertile before men do, and risk factors for infants increase faster on the female side too. The article just points out that sperm is not "ageless". And none of this has ANYTHING to do with healthcare, just basic biology.

Also the main reason that men on average die younger than women, is that as an entire society we are overweight, and men are biologically more prone to storing that fat on and around the organs than women who store it on the body, as women have naturally higher body fat percentage. But you know... don't let biological fact get in the way of your political agenda, I suppose.

You're jumping at shadows.

[thesheriff443]

typical liberal playing dumb....try joining the dots, mens sperm worsens quicker as they do not get enough spent on their health per head which is why they age much quicker than women and die younger...it also reduces the time they have with their kids when their sperm impregnates a woman

Women mature faster than men, you sound like the world owes you something
It don't.

[Vicky.]

typical liberal playing dumb....try joining the dots, mens sperm worsens quicker as they do not get enough spent on their health per head which is why they age much quicker than women and die younger...it also reduces the time they have with their kids when their sperm impregnates a woman

So joining the same dots would mean that women only become infertile for the same reason? Women become infertile much younger than men actually.

I mean, its nothing to do with biology or anything. Everything to do with cash spent.

[Withano]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/d1a4a0df2284f5b5dacae3ba56a03bc5/tumblr_nbdm3wp9Aa1sry60to1_500.gif

:joker:

[Marsh.]

typical liberal playing dumb....try joining the dots, mens sperm worsens quicker as they do not get enough spent on their health per head which is why they age much quicker than women and die younger...it also reduces the time they have with their kids when their sperm impregnates a woman

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

You want the NHS to perform some miracle surgery on your sperm, pal?

[the truth]

Women mature faster than men, you sound like the world owes you something
It don't.

society owes men , mens health especially more from the public money pot thats for sure but brainwashed feminists refuse to see the absolutely enormous funding gap and support structure for men versus women

[the truth]

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

You want the NHS to perform some miracle surgery on your sperm, pal?

no its fine thanks for caring , clearly you need help , bless

[Marsh.]

no its fine thanks for caring , clearly you need help , bless

Of course I do. Because I'm the one bleating about there not being enough sperm care on the NHS for the elderly gentleman.

[Vicky.]

I actually think its rather selfish wanting to have children that late in life. Like, at 60 or 70 years old, chances are you will die while your kid is still quite young. Of course if you have kids when younger you might well die while they are young, but there is a huge increase in chance when doing it late :/

[Niamh.]

I actually think its rather selfish wanting to have children that late in life. Like, at 60 or 70 years old, chances are you will die while your kid is still quite young. Of course if you have kids when younger you might well die while they are young, but there is a huge increase in chance when doing it late :/

yeah definitely, plus you may not be able to be as active with them either

[Kizzy]

I think it's a fairly common misconception that women have a "biological clock"
but that men are "fine to wait until whenever". Obviously everyone knows that some older gents find it a bit more difficult to get going, but many assume that the sperm itself is just as good at 60 as at 20.

No, women do have a biological clock, it's the desire to have children. It's widely accepted and proven that the risks associated with pregnancy increase with age, I have never understood however why this isn't as readily accepted that the male reproductive system wouldn't suffer too :/

[Marsh.]

No, women do have a biological clock, it's the desire to have children. It's widely accepted and proven that the risks associated with pregnancy increase with age, I have never understood however why this isn't as readily accepted that the male reproductive system wouldn't suffer too :/

I don't think he was saying the biological clock didn't exist for a woman, I think he meant it's a misconception that it only applies to women.

[user104658]

This thread is getting really bizarre :joker:

[Marsh.]

This thread is getting really bizarre :joker:

You would say that, wouldn't you. Your balls aren't yet full of stale male sperm that the NHS refuses to fund for. :nono:

[Vicky.]

I don't think he was saying the biological clock didn't exist for a woman, I think he meant it's a misconception that it only applies to women.

Well I think the point was that not enough money is spent on men and this is why sperm quality decreases and then men die.

Quite how women becoming infertile WAY before men even start having a decrease comes into this I do not know. But men should have more research done on how to keep sperm energetic well into their 90s. Of course.

Or something

Rargh women.

[Marsh.]

Well I think the point was that not enough money is spent on men and this is why sperm quality decreases and then men die.

Quite how women becoming infertile WAY before men even start having a decrease comes into this I do not know. But men should have more research done on how to keep sperm energetic well into their 90s. Of course.

Or something

Rargh women.

I was talking about poor Toy Soldier. :nono:

[Kizzy]

I don't think he was saying the biological clock didn't exist for a woman, I think he meant it's a misconception that it only applies to women.

Yes I see that now, I didn't think it was just a female thing though, I'm sure men are equally as concerned about the best time to have children and the added pressures of being an older dad.

[Marsh.]

Yes I see that now, I didn't think it was just a female thing though, I'm sure men are equally as concerned about the best time to have children and the added pressures of being an older dad.

Oh I'm sure they do. But not many think of the biological changes (in comparison to say a woman going through the menopause).

[user104658]

You would say that, wouldn't you. Your balls aren't yet full of stale male sperm that the NHS refuses to fund for. :nono:

No my balls are full of virile, strong young sperms who cannot escape, they just live in there, forever, and when I die and my scrotum begins to decay, all of those decades worth of trapped sperms will escape into the atmosphere and the entire female population will become impregnated with little Toy Soldiers!

It's the perfect crime.

[Vicky.]

I hate the word scrotum. Almost as bad as moist.

[Marsh.]

I hate the word scrotum. Almost as bad as moist.

A moist scrotum? :think:

[Marsh.]

No my balls are full of virile, strong young sperms who cannot escape, they just live in there, forever, and when I die and my scrotum begins to decay, all of those decades worth of trapped sperms will escape into the atmosphere and the entire female population will become impregnated with little Toy Soldiers!

It's the perfect crime.

:joker:

[Kizzy]

Oh I'm sure they do. But not many think of the biological changes (in comparison to say a woman going through the menopause).

Well then they are pretty silly aren't they? :joker:

[user104658]

Yes I see that now, I didn't think it was just a female thing though, I'm sure men are equally as concerned about the best time to have children and the added pressures of being an older dad.

I have no idea why anyone would want to have a baby later in life! I mean, I have a 4 year old with autism and a 7 year old with... err... a boatload of ****ing attitude tbh... and that presents its own challenges.

But the idea of having a newborn again? It genuinely makes me break out in a cold sweat just thinking about it :joker:.

At 50+ I'm pretty sure it would legitimately just kill me :umm2:.

[Marsh.]

I just remembered Victoria Wood...

"Are you not pregnant?"
"Not unless sperm can get through a sash window."

:joker:

[user104658]

I just remembered Victoria Wood...

"Are you not pregnant?"
"Not unless sperm can get through a sash window."

:joker:

Mine could :fist:. Like the hordes of Mordor, they are, suited up in their battle gear and just waiting for the Black Gate to open, that they might spill out into the lands of men.

[smudgie]

Phew, what a relief.:laugh:
Then again I had hubby done.:joker: