Labour MPs living in a bubble ....

[Brillopad]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bbc-question-time-burton-living-bubble_uk_5952641de4b0da2c731e8ceb

No prizes for guessing why Labour are so focused on public service workers - as they know that is what will get them votes.

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here, stay on topic please or don't post

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its so true, beautifully put by that guy

nailed it

[user104658]

From the comments:

"Makes me cross listening to his rant putting down the public services and MPs attempts to end the 1% pay cap. He'll be playing a different tune when he falls seriously ill and there's no NHS staff left to help him. I am self employed too but I want to see an end to this pay cap."

Little more needs to be said.

[Brillopad]

Its so true, beautifully put by that guy

nailed it

:clap1:

[Kizzy]

Yep people interested in social policy and public services vote Labour, what's wrong with that?

Here is a poll... (It's a yougov poll btw)

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/07/07/jeremy-corbyn-just-set-new-record-labour-party-theresa-may-will-absolutely-furious/

[Crimson Dynamo]

From the comments:

"Makes me cross listening to his rant putting down the public services and MPs attempts to end the 1% pay cap. He'll be playing a different tune when he falls seriously ill and there's no NHS staff left to help him. I am self employed too but I want to see an end to this pay cap."

Little more needs to be said.

It doesnt because its hyperbole

if he falls ill (conjecture)

no NHS staff left to help him (arrant nonsense)

[Brillopad]

Yep people interested in social policy and public services vote Labour, what's wrong with that?

Here is a poll... (It's a yougov poll btw)

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/07/07/jeremy-corbyn-just-set-new-record-labour-party-theresa-may-will-absolutely-furious/

There is nothing wrong with that and neither is there anything wrong with disagreeing.

[Kizzy]

It doesnt because its hyperbole

if he falls ill (conjecture)

no NHS staff left to help him (arrant nonsense)

As is the premise of the thread.

[jet]

Yep people interested in social policy and public services vote Labour, what's wrong with that?

Here is a poll... (It's a yougov poll btw)

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/07/07/jeremy-corbyn-just-set-new-record-labour-party-theresa-may-will-absolutely-furious/

I wouldn't say that poll is accurate - the Canary isn't a unbiased source, and you have said yourself many times that unbiased sources are useless. :conf:

[Kizzy]

I wouldn't say that poll is accurate - the Canary isn't a unbiased source, and you have said yourself many times that unbiased sources are useless. :conf:

It's a yougove poll, I made a point of highlighting that as I was expecting a comment like this.

Is the Canary the only biased source? The express, mail, telegraph or sun aren't I suppose? :laugh:

[JTM45]

A couple of months ago i woke up to find my right hand/wrist 90% dead and pretty much paralyzed. I phoned the NHS Out of Hours number who, after asking me questions insisted i go straight to A&E which i did.
They had me in to see someone within 10 minutes of getting there. Long story short.
After six weeks of treatment which included x-rays, MRI's, nerve specialists and much more i have most of the movement in my hand/wrist back and all of this was done without a single bill or money demand and that's thanks to our invaluable and irreplacable NHS service. I cannot fault the treatment i received and would certainly never criticize these amazing people.

Incidentally, the problem was something called a 'Saturday Night (or Radial Nerve) Palsy'. Something i'd never even heard of. Luckily they had.
These people deserve far more than they get from May and her bufoons who care little for the normal, everyday people while they exist worry and carefree with their private medical care.

[user104658]

It doesnt because its hyperbole

if he falls ill (conjecture)

no NHS staff left to help him (arrant nonsense)

The point is that recognising the importance of small business, and recognising the importance of the public sector and especially the emergency services, are not mutually exclusive. As much as certain people would love us to believe that you "have to choose one or the other". That's what this angry red-faced gentleman in the audience appears to believe. "You want to look after the public sector so you haven't got a clue about business owners!!"

Because to look after small business owners you have to **** over those who work in the public sector? Hmmmmm.

In fact if he was in any way business-minded, he would realise that more money in the pockets of any normal working person is money in the pockets of his own customers, and therefore good for his business :idc:.

[jet]

It's a yougove poll, I made a point of highlighting that as I was expecting a comment like this.

Is the Canary the only biased source? The express, mail, telegraph or sun aren't I suppose? :laugh:

Why do you complain about one paper being biased on one hand and on the other post from another biased source as the 'truth'.

I tend to read a variety of papers and sources, and there is usually some truth in all of them, whether they are right or left slanted. In my above post I was pointing out your hypocrisy really...I'm sure there are elements of truth in the Canary reporting just as there will be in the Express, Mail etc. How do you get a balanced view of politics if you only read what you want to believe and disregard all others as made up? I find that really narrow minded.

[Brillopad]

It's a yougove poll, I made a point of highlighting that as I was expecting a comment like this.

Is the Canary the only biased source? The express, mail, telegraph or sun aren't I suppose? :laugh:

Anything political will always be biased unless there are multiple authors with differing opinions or a single author who has no political opinion, which is unlikely.

Everyone is influenced by their own opinions and to say otherwise would be very naive.

[Brillopad]

A couple of months ago i woke up to find my right hand/wrist 90% dead and pretty much paralyzed. I phoned the NHS Out of Hours number who, after asking me questions insisted i go straight to A&E which i did.
They had me in to see someone within 10 minutes of getting there. Long story short.
After six weeks of treatment which included x-rays, MRI's, nerve specialists and much more i have most of the movement in my hand/wrist back and all of this was done without a single bill or money demand and that's thanks to our invaluable and irreplacable NHS service. I cannot fault the treatment i received and would certainly never criticize these amazing people.

Incidentally, the problem was something called a 'Saturday Night (or Radial Nerve) Palsy'. Something i'd never even heard of. Luckily they had.
These people deserve far more than they get from May and her bufoons who care little for the normal, everyday people while they exist worry and carefree with their private medical care.

No-one is saying they don't deserve or shouldn't get a decent pay rise, Christ I work in the NHS, but many feel that some politicians are using this important issue to score brownie points.

[Kizzy]

Why do you complain about one paper being biased on one hand and on the other post from another biased source as the 'truth'.

I tend to read a variety of papers and sources, and there is usually some truth in all of them, whether they are right or left slanted. In my above post I was pointing out your hypocrisy really...I'm sure there are elements of truth in the Canary reporting just as there will be in the Express, Mail etc. How do you get a balanced view of politics if you only read what you want to believe and disregard all others as made up? I find that really narrow minded.

Once again... It was a poll, a yougov poll, the same pollsters that all papers use.
There is no hypocrisy, I am aware the canary has a left wing bias but I don't care, as long as what they report can be fact checked as a direct quote or such I'm happy.

[Kizzy]

Anything political will always be biased unless there are multiple authors with differing opinions or a single author who has no political opinion, which is unlikely.

Everyone is influenced by their own opinions and to say otherwise would be very naive.
There's the issue, I much prefer to separate fact from opinion.

[user104658]

No-one is saying they don't deserve or shouldn't get a decent pay rise, Christ I work in the NHS, but many feel that some politicians are using this important issue to score brownie points.

All politicians use any issue they can to score brownie points :shrug:. That's pretty much what politics is.

[jet]

The point is that recognising the importance of small business, and recognising the importance of the public sector and especially the emergency services, are not mutually exclusive. As much as certain people would love us to believe that you "have to choose one or the other". That's what this angry red-faced gentleman in the audience appears to believe. "You want to look after the public sector so you haven't got a clue about business owners!!"

Because to look after small business owners you have to **** over those who work in the public sector? Hmmmmm.

In fact if he was in any way business-minded, he would realise that more money in the pockets of any normal working person is money in the pockets of his own customers, and therefore good for his business :idc:.

He didn't say that public sector workers should be ****** over, did he? He said all Labour cared about was the public sector, which is not the same thing at all.

[user104658]

Once again... It was a poll, a yougov poll, the same pollsters that all papers use.
There is no hypocrisy, I am aware the canary has a left wing bias but I don't care, as long as what they report can be fact checked as a direct quote or such I'm happy.

Lefty YouGov and libertarian pale stale male and libertarian lefty and radical feminists left left left and libertarian claptrap trap trap trap trap trap bzzt.

[Kizzy]

No-one is saying they don't deserve or shouldn't get a decent pay rise, Christ I work in the NHS, but many feel that some politicians are using this important issue to score brownie points.

This isn't west side story, it's not a private v public sector battle to the death.
What else is in danger of being politicised in politics?... You can't criticise the response to tragedy for fear of it, you can't support public services...Just what can you do? Throw money at the DUP and spout random nonsense about brexit? :/

[Kizzy]

He didn't say that public sector workers should be ****** over, did he? He said all Labour cared about was the public sector, which is not the same thing at all.

And she is saying that based on an opinion piece from the express it seems...

[user104658]

He didn't say that public sector workers should be ****** over, did he? He said all Labour cared about was the public sector, which is not the same thing at all.

I couldn't really make out what he was saying, to be fair, the clip didn't give much context... it seems like he was ranting a big ol' "But wot about meee! I aint public sector and I want stuff too!!"... in response to a question or discussion that had nothing at all to do with small business.

I guess you could compare it to people coming onto debate threads on here saying "Yeah but what about Corbyn!" or "Yeah but what about Labour in 1999!" when the thread is about something totally different.

Sure they may have genuine grievances, but it's not really appropriate to force another discussion (in this case, much deserved public pay sector rises) off track to push your own agenda...

[Kizzy]

I don't see how it's a genuine grievance, if you choose to work for yourself how can you bleat about people who choose to work for an employer even if the employer happens to be the state?

[jet]

Once again... It was a poll, a yougov poll, the same pollsters that all papers use.
There is no hypocrisy, I am aware the canary has a left wing bias but I don't care, as long as what they report can be fact checked as a direct quote or such I'm happy.

You aren't though. I've posted articles with direct quotes from the DM and other sources and you have dismissed them as biased. I doubt you, and others too, even read the article linked if it comes from, for example, the DM. I suspect this because the contents of the article itself isn't discussed or even commented on, it is just the usual dismissive cry of 'BIASED!' Perhaps it would be a good idea to point out WHICH PARTS of the article are found to be biased and give reasons. That can then be discussed, which is what this forum is for, right?

[Brillopad]

Lefty YouGov and libertarian pale stale male and libertarian lefty and radical feminists left left left and libertarian claptrap trap trap trap trap trap bzzt.

:facepalm:

[Kizzy]

You aren't though. I've posted articles with direct quotes from the DM and other sources and you have dismissed them as biased. I doubt you, and others too, even read the article linked if it comes from, for example, the DM. I suspect this because the contents of the article itself isn't discussed or even commented on, it is just the usual dismissive cry of 'BIASED!' Perhaps it would be a good idea to point out WHICH PARTS of the article are found to be biased and give reasons. That can then be discussed, which is what this forum is for, right?

They are biased... that's a given, as the canary is. However if what they say is true and can be sourced as fact that's fine, it's the biased opinion pieces I have an issue with.

[Brillopad]

You aren't though. I've posted articles with direct quotes from the DM and other sources and you have dismissed them as biased. I doubt you, and others too, even read the article linked if it comes from, for example, the DM. I suspect this because the contents of the article itself isn't discussed or even commented on, it is just the usual dismissive cry of 'BIASED!' Perhaps it would be a good idea to point out WHICH PARTS of the article are found to be biased and give reasons. That can then be discussed, which is what this forum is for, right?

:clap1: That is very true.

I have had the same experience on several occasions. God forbid if you link from the DM - it is immediately dismissed by some. There are definitely those on here trying to dictate to everyone else what are/aren't suitable sources. Anything from a left-leaning source is fine . If not - no hope! :think:

[Kizzy]

Here is what the main parties put in their manifestos re business.


http://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/knowledge/articles/2017/05/general-election-2017-what-manifestos-promise-for-small-businesses/

[Withano]

Lol at it gettig to the point that YouGov is biased because May is losing the poll. Thats desperation, that.

[user104658]

Lol at it gettig to the point that YouGov is biased because May is losing the poll. Thats desperation, that.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pk6fh24cmh/TimesResults_170706_VotingIntention_W.pdf

Lefty nonsense! Pure biased opinion and conjecture! Liberals! Feminism, probably!

[jet]

Lefty YouGov and libertarian pale stale male and libertarian lefty and radical feminists left left left and libertarian claptrap trap trap trap trap trap bzzt.

I see you are talking sense at last.

[the truth]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bbc-question-time-burton-living-bubble_uk_5952641de4b0da2c731e8ceb

No prizes for guessing why Labour are so focused on public service workers - as they know that is what will get them votes.

corbyn and his communist country hating comrades never ever mention small busiensses , the actual backbone who provide and pay for millions of jobs and fund the public services and provide the country witth its rich culture and identity. the public sector has bcome the enemy of the small businesses and they destroy them with endless way over inflation costs, tariffs, license fees, petty fines , petty burocracy , parking fees in town centres and hospitals, disastrous road blockages, endless speed bumps and cameras, one village in wales calleed burry port (6000 population has over 120 speed bumps renamed bumpy port) all run by labour of course and absurd rules they simply invent as they go along just to boost the councils coffers.

[the truth]

Well the baitings started so that's my cue to leave.

thats right "run from the truth", that should be labour parties slogan

[jet]

I couldn't really make out what he was saying, to be fair, the clip didn't give much context... it seems like he was ranting a big ol' "But wot about meee! I aint public sector and I want stuff too!!"... in response to a question or discussion that had nothing at all to do with small business.

I guess you could compare it to people coming onto debate threads on here saying "Yeah but what about Corbyn!" or "Yeah but what about Labour in 1999!" when the thread is about something totally different.

Sure they may have genuine grievances, but it's not really appropriate to force another discussion (in this case, much deserved public pay sector rises) off track to push your own agenda...

Better that than coming into DEBATE threads and not discussing the subject matter at all but rather going on bizarre baiting sprees....

[Withano]

Better that than coming into DEBATE threads and not discussing the subject matter at all but rather going on bizarre baiting sprees....

I mean... it's very similar.

There's no point debating here really anymore. No fun in it anyway anymore. Couple posters ruining it for the forum imo.

- now it's more emotional arguments from the right and logical arguments from the left, and it's ALWAYS a left va right argument, debates here never used to be.

... but you can't fight logic with emotion, and you cant fight emotion with logic. It just seems like people are shouting at walls, because they are talking in two different languages... That plus the fact that it seems like one member is deliberately trying to spam the forum with multiple threads a day covering very similar hate stories, which is also boring, there's no need - we get it - you are emotionally obsessed with Corbyn and you hate him - we get it - stop spamming us (not @ you, in general).

So fighting emotion with nonsense does actually seem like the best method from my perspective to be honest.

[Tom4784]

If you're going to try to suggest that Labour is courting people to vote against their own self interests than surely you need to acknowledge that the Tories are actually guilty of this.

Labour is focused on the Public Sector because the Tories have been systematically sabotaging and destroying it ever since Cameron took over from Brown. A ruined public service system does not benefit the working or middle classes, most are reliant on them yet people will gladly vote Tory because they've managed to pull the wool over their eyes by using scapegoats and smear campaigns to cover the fact that the Tory Manifesto is unpriced, untested and benefits only the very top of the economy, they covered the fact that Theresa May is not suitable for the position of PM by having her constantly repeating headline friendly slogans rather than saying anything of substance.

Just look at her pre-election interview with Jeremy Paxman, a self parody of a man admittedly but it still highlighted the fact Theresa May and her government are dangerously unfit. She point blank refused to answer questions that couldn't be covered with her slogans and she evaded every question that she didn't like. It honestly bewildered me how anyone could support her after seeing her die a slow death on stage like that but then I remembered, just mention immigrants, Brexit or Jeremy Corbyn and you will never be held to the facts, you'll get a free pass from the media and a free pass from a largely wilfully ignorant public.

People are dancing to the Tories' tune although they are being led to the mouth of an active volcano in doing so.

[DemolitionRed]

No-one is saying they don't deserve or shouldn't get a decent pay rise, Christ I work in the NHS, but many feel that some politicians are using this important issue to score brownie points.

Yeah me too. What do you do?

[Alf]

1300s I'm dying from the Black plague

1800s I'm 9 years old, and I'm working in a factory

1900s I'm off to fight in a war

2000s I'm offended

[user104658]

1300s I'm dying from the Black plague

1800s I'm 9 years old, and I'm working in a factory

1900s I'm off to fight in a war

2000s I'm offended

Lol at us pretending that anyone born after 1930 was "off to fight in a war" (other than professionally / voluntarily).

This forum is boomers and beyond; we're all as bratty and entitled as each other I'm afraid :idc:.

[Alf]

Lol at us pretending that anyone born after 1930 was "off to fight in a war" (other than professionally / voluntarily).

This forum is boomers and beyond; we're all as bratty and entitled as each other I'm afraid :idc:.^2000s

[user104658]

^2000s

...wot?