The Walking Dead | Season 9 | Discusssion Thread

[Nicky91]

It’s weird because I view the Atlanta and farm survivors as the ‘main’ TWD group when the ‘main’ group is more like Michonne, Tara, Rosita, Sasha, Abraham, Eugene, Aaron etc.

i luv Sonequa now on star trek discovery almost just as good as when she played Sasha on TWD :D

[Amy Jade]

Should be Andrew as the highest and then the names you mentioned equal just below yeah.

Yeah Andrew should earn most he is the front man, agree with that.

[Ant.]

Then Merle and Andrea within quick succession too at the end of the season 3. A mess

And then no one from the Atlanta camp died for a solid 3 seasons and then a season and a half later they killed two (arguably 5) more Atlanta members

Wasn't Merle supposed to be in season 4 too? Wonder what changed that

[Babayaro.]

Man, T-Dog couldn't even get his own death to himself :( It just had to be overshadowed by Lori's.

[Babayaro.]

Ok I nearly cried at Lori's death/Rick's reaction

[user104658]

Wasn't Merle supposed to be in season 4 too? Wonder what changed that

Marvel.

GotG vol 1 would have been filming / screening / promoting at the same time as TWD season 4.

[Jordan.]

Raise of hands who finds Dwight sexy

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[Lostie!]

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[Jordan.]

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[Niamh.]

Marvel.

GotG vol 1 would have been filming / screening / promoting at the same time as TWD season 4.He was much better in GotG tbf [emoji852]

[user104658]

He was much better in GotG tbf [emoji852]Also paid significantly more I'm pretty sure [emoji23]. Especially the expanded role in vol 2.

[Mystic Mock]

"Watching Gimple fire my son 2 weeks before his 18th birthday after telling him they wanted him for the next 3 years was disappointing. I never trusted Gimple or AMC, but Chandler did. I know how much it hurt him. But we do absolutely know how lucky we have been to be a part of it all and appreciate all the love from fans all these years."

I know the show in general is not a great example of long term employment prospects as a majority of the characters end up dead but I find it really unprofessional to guarantee an actors security on the show for a number of years and allow them to choose their education (Chandler was told he would be in at least 3 more seasons last year) around their job or even buy a property (Laurie Holden was told she had 5 more years at least of filming) or even encourage cast to turn down other jobs to film for future season only to be killed off mid season (Emily Kinney was told she had at least another season on the show and therfore refused a future job) it just stinks really.

Seems Gimple has no loyalty to his cast at all and that makes me kind of shy away from the show a little bit.

The biggest problem with TWD is how they treat their cast, you watch season 1 of the show and it's a completely different cast to what's there now, it's poor planning and really bad writing as alot of the characters that they bumped off didn't even finish off their material, or played fundamental roles in the programme that are now needing new characters to try and fill that void.

[Mystic Mock]

I loved S2 so much, I don't understand the hate it gets

Personally I think seasons 2-4 are better than season 1 which just really felt like a really bad Soap Opera after episode 2.:joker:

[Ant.]

I think Season 2 is so poorly received because there's no immediate threat? The main conflict for the first half of S2 is looking for Sophia and let's be serious, the possibility of an abused mother losing the last part of her family is dark and awful and I could never fathom what Carol had to go through.
That said, it's not 'threatening'. Especially as Sophia barely spoke and most of us had no real attachment to her. And besides, what were the outcomes? She lives, the group remains as normal. She dies, they will mourn and they'll carry on as if one of their own had died. Essentially, the first half of S2 had no threat, which I doubt people didn't enjoy from an apocalyptic show.

Then the second half came along and I'd argue Shane became more and more the 'villain' post-Sophia's death. But at the same time, it wasn't as if he was a threat either? He was just super pissed off at Rick, but I highly doubt he would put his group at risk. He was just volatile and developed a mindset and view of the world that the group would later develop in a few seasons. I'd honestly argue that Lizzie was a better 'villain' than Shane (even though Shane was a massive dick and was awful to Lori once Rick returned, these never contributed to how threatening he was to the group, whereas Lizzie was willing to kill her own sister and a baby).
Of course, S2 did develop a threat in the finale with the massive horde, and it made for, what I argue is the best Season finale of TWD. But that was only for one episode

And then you compare that to the other seasons. Yes, Season 1 had no villain, but the threat of walkers, the camp being attacked, and a purpose (the CDC) all contributed to a drama Season 2 never had.
Season 3 had the Governor, the return of Merle, the realisation that there were other communities. Plus a lot of death.
Season 4, again had the Governor as a threat, and the virus in 4a. A lot of people seem to dislike 4b and that's when those two elements were taken out. With no threat and rather focussing on the group and their relationships, I would compare 4b to Season 2, and that's why both are generally disliked. Yes Terminus was a bad place but we found that out at the end
5a had the mystery of Beth's location, and 5b had finding Alexandria. Can't forget that this season did have a few deaths too.
6a had the horde, resulting in the best MSP of the series so far (No Way Out :love) while 6b established how big the world really was, and the Saviors.
Season 7 was pretty much about the repercussions of the season 6 finale, which was enough to fuel the Season
and 8a has had the war going on

[Lostie!]

Then the second half came along and I'd argue Shane became more and more the 'villain' post-Sophia's death. But at the same time, it wasn't as if he was a threat either? He was just super pissed off at Rick, but I highly doubt he would put his group at risk. He was just volatile and developed a mindset and view of the world that the group would later develop in a few seasons.

Shane didn't care about the group by that point, he cared about Lori and Carl (in a really unhealthy way) and would have sacrificed any of the others if he felt the need. A guy that's willing to murder his best friend so he can have his family is definitely dangerous :laugh:

[Babayaro.]

He probably would've tried to kill Dale too, had that walker not got there first.

[Ant.]

Shane didn't care about the group by that point, he cared about Lori and Carl (in a really unhealthy way) and would have sacrificed any of the others if he felt the need. A guy that's willing to murder his best friend so he can have his family is definitely dangerous :laugh:

I can see where you're coming from, but he definitely didn't feel like a threat. What situation would Shane have to be in to sacrifice them in such a peaceful place as the farm? If they were at the prison or on the road when he was in more danger, then yes, maybe, but I guess I just never felt like he would ever do damage since well, he had no reason too :worry:

[Babayaro.]

He was the one to open the barn and release all the walkers, so that kinda put the group in danger (even though they dealt with it easily)

[Ant.]

He was the one to open the barn and release all the walkers, so that kinda put the group in danger (even though they dealt with it easily)

Oh I lowkey forgot about that

But yeah as you said it was dealt with easy and I just didn't really feel... scared for them? They could've easy just ran away they were all at a fine enough distance if somehow they got overwhelmed

Like I'm not denying that the man wasn't a danger (I mean I was but when I said it I didn't explain that I didn't believe he was on par with any of the other threats) and he DEFINITELY got what was coming to him but when I was watching I was just more thinking "god can he just go he's so ****ing creepy towards Lori and Carl" rather than "he has to go for the safety of the group :worry:"
I think I may need a rewatch to evaluate my opinion on him again

[Lostie!]

I can see where you're coming from, but he definitely didn't feel like a threat. What situation would Shane have to be in to sacrifice them in such a peaceful place as the farm? If they were at the prison or on the road when he was in more danger, then yes, maybe, but I guess I just never felt like he would ever do damage since well, he had no reason too :worry:

But the farm was never gonna stay peaceful, as we saw when the horde arrived. If he was still alive when that happened, I could easily see him doing what he did to Otis to any of the others to save himself and Lori and Carl. I did think there was a significant level of threat throughout the season because I felt like if he wants his best friend dead, clearly any of the others who he barely knows in comparison are fair game if the need ever arose.

And honestly, I don't think Lori herself would have been completely safe if she kept rejecting him considering that time he nearly forced himself on her.

[Lostie!]

And in terms of comparing villains, someone like Negan might be bigger in threat and scope but I much preferred Shane as an antagonist. He felt more real, and more unnerving as a result. Negan's way too over the top and cartoonish.

[Ant.]

But the farm was never gonna stay peaceful, as we saw when the horde arrived. If he was still alive when that happened, I could easily see him doing what he did to Otis to any of the others to save himself and Lori and Carl.

And honestly, I don't think Lori herself would have been completely safe if she kept rejecting him considering that time he nearly forced himself on her.

Oh no as I said, if he stayed he would've been a MASSIVE threat to the group. But in that time and place, I didn't fear for the group, and it's not as if we had reason to in the moment

He DEFINITELY had issues with Lori and what's scary is that he forced himself onto Lori before he was even bad (or that bad) even while she was saying no. There was absolutely no doubt that he would've hurt Lori sometime

And in terms of comparing villains, someone like Negan might be bigger in threat and scope but I much preferred Shane as an antagonist. He felt more real, and more unnerving as a result. Negan's way too over the top and cartoonish.

I was actually writing a post about this but I didn't find it relevant. Shane came across as a man who fell in love with his best friend's wife and found a family within 2 months of an apocalypse, and while I do think it's a tad weird he got that possessive in a short space of time, we don't know much about Lori and Shane's relationship before the apocalypse. And obviously the apocalypse and the doom of it all would certainly heighten the situation.
The fact he (rightfully) lost all of that and had to see his best friend play happy family with the family he found and lost (I completely disagree with Shane's actions and I don't believe he could "find" Carl or Lori as a family within 2 months) must have really damaged him. And we see that.
And as awful as Shane is, with some things, you can certainly think, "oh **** I get his point" at times. And he's absolutely over the top and crazy, but you don't laugh it off or think "how panto", you realise he's struggling and very real with real emotions that ****ed with his head.

The Governor was somewhat good in this sense when you consider the fact he lost his daughter and we got to see this unravel and how it affected him, but Shane's development and the fact we saw him derail in front of our eyes make me prefer Shane

Negan though? It's the things I hear he does that scare me (lining up every man above the age of 11 and shooting them in the head, beating a teenage boy to death for no reason but to make a point, and everything that's implied with his wives. Oh and of course the Lucille thing is horrifying and as is the face ironing but that's it), not who he is. His personality is just over the time and he's supposed to be comedic yet it just doesn't work...

And the worst thing of it all is that his story doesn't make me feel anything. He was a cheat, and yes he shown remorse for it, but I just couldn't care less that a murdering r*pist dictator feels bad that he hurt his dying wife's emotions and trust.

[Mystic Mock]

And in terms of comparing villains, someone like Negan might be bigger in threat and scope but I much preferred Shane as an antagonist. He felt more real, and more unnerving as a result. Negan's way too over the top and cartoonish.

The problem with Negan is IRL people would just put a gun to his head and he would be dealt with, especially considering he basically forced alot of people to join him. Where as with Shane if Lori wasn't around he would've been a more enjoyable character to see go crazy.

[Ammi]

And in terms of comparing villains, someone like Negan might be bigger in threat and scope but I much preferred Shane as an antagonist. He felt more real, and more unnerving as a result. Negan's way too over the top and cartoonish.

..I really wish Shane as a character had been kept in because I think that ‘rivalry’ between him and Rick could have sustained much longer in creating interest...also obviously it was all Lori’s fault for her infidelity, Shane was a complete innocent and just misunderstood..:laugh:...

...hmmm, I don’t actually think that Negan is a big threat as such because I agree with Carl, in that why do they have to ‘defend’, why don’t they just leave because leaving would preserve more life...so rather than becoming involved in a war situation in the all banding together of groups...surely it would be for all groups to ‘escape’ and leave Negan’s hold and control..I mean, the war is just causing deaths of the non infected, when surely the aim in a situation like that is to preserve the non infected...even, preserving Negan and his group but just not being part of his control and his cruelty...(...obviously Shane would have seen all of that and so preserved many lives, but they decided to see him off, the rats..:laugh:..)...I also think grieving, avenging/revenge etc in that world wouldn’t be the same as we feel with these things and it would have to be moved on from quite quickly in self preservation, so it’s all too much time being taken up with Negan...because he killed two of the main characters, I guess...

[Niamh.]

And in terms of comparing villains, someone like Negan might be bigger in threat and scope but I much preferred Shane as an antagonist. He felt more real, and more unnerving as a result. Negan's way too over the top and cartoonish.

absolutely, Negan is pretty ridiculous

[user104658]

Shane would have ended up making an amazing villain if they'd had him leave / be forced out instead of killed, then returning in a later season with his own group, maybe even as a Negan-style character (but more angry and less trollish). Although that said, they would have been taking a gamble as they wouldn't be able to hold the actor in a contract and would be relying on him being available to film, and he's done loads since TWD.

He was never really a full on villain at all... he did have an unhealthy connection with Lori and Carl (but for perfectly understandable reasons) but his main issue was that he saw Rick as weak and was scared that he would get them killed. It was supposed to be a major irony that after Shane's death, Rick actually came round to Shane's way of thinking pretty quickly... e.g. Rick was furious about Shane letting Carl practice using a handgun... then by the end of S3 Carl was toting an assault rifle with Rick's permission. And Rick has done a load of ruthless things in the name of keeping the group safe. The funny thing being, if Shane had seen Rick a couple of seasons later he probably wouldn't have had the same fears. He'd still have been jelly, but I don't think he would have wanted Rick gone.

[Niamh.]

I say this all the time, Shane was right and would have been a much better leader than Rick imo even now that Rick has come round to Shanes way of thinking, he's still too flakey to be a good leader

[Ant.]

I say this all the time, Shane was right and would have been a much better leader than Rick imo even now that Rick has come round to Shanes way of thinking, he's still too flakey to be a good leader

Yes! :clap1: Rock's too unreliable

I definitely believe Maggie is the best leader right now. I'm honestly in love with her character and the role she has undertaken

[user104658]

I say this all the time, Shane was right and would have been a much better leader than Rick imo even now that Rick has come round to Shanes way of thinking, he's still too flakey to be a good leader

I dunno... I wonder if Shane was a bit TOO far the other way... I can almost see him in the current situation having been happy enough to join up with Negan. Like maybe not become a full Saviour, and not become a "slave group" to them, but maybe would have been happy enough to form an alliance with them? Then again, on balance maybe that wouldn't have been such a bad idea :joker:.

[user104658]

Yes! :clap1: Rock's too unreliable


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[Ant.]

Shane would have ended up making an amazing villain if they'd had him leave / be forced out instead of killed, then returning in a later season with his own group, maybe even as a Negan-style character (but more angry and less trollish). Although that said, they would have been taking a gamble as they wouldn't be able to hold the actor in a contract and would be relying on him being available to film, and he's done loads since TWD.

He was never really a full on villain at all... he did have an unhealthy connection with Lori and Carl (but for perfectly understandable reasons) but his main issue was that he saw Rick as weak and was scared that he would get them killed. It was supposed to be a major irony that after Shane's death, Rick actually came round to Shane's way of thinking pretty quickly... e.g. Rick was furious about Shane letting Carl practice using a handgun... then by the end of S3 Carl was toting an assault rifle with Rick's permission. And Rick has done a load of ruthless things in the name of keeping the group safe. The funny thing being, if Shane had seen Rick a couple of seasons later he probably wouldn't have had the same fears. He'd still have been jelly, but I don't think he would have wanted Rick gone.

This is an interest concept tbh. It certainly would have been interesting if, instead of him being killed by Rick/Carl, he got lost during the barn attack assumed dead, and then undertakes his villain role in 5a instead of the Grady Memorial Hospital people.
I could certainly imagine he would be pissed off that Lori died and would somehow blame Rick, but given the fact there would have been almost a year since their last encounter, part of me wonders if Shane will have calmed down or if he would have still been disturbed, which would have greatly changed his arc

[Niamh.]

Yes! :clap1: Rock's too unreliable

I definitely believe Maggie is the best leader right now. I'm honestly in love with her character and the role she has undertaken

Yeah I think she's a better leader than Rick aswell plus he's probably going to go off again now Karls dead

I dunno... I wonder if Shane was a bit TOO far the other way... I can almost see him in the current situation having been happy enough to join up with Negan. Like maybe not become a full Saviour, and not become a "slave group" to them, but maybe would have been happy enough to form an alliance with them? Then again, on balance maybe that wouldn't have been such a bad idea :joker:.

I blame Lori for making him go just a little too far at times, she was really ****ing with his head

[Cal.]

Shane :love:

[Lostie!]

I say this all the time, Shane was right and would have been a much better leader than Rick imo even now that Rick has come round to Shanes way of thinking, he's still too flakey to be a good leader

I loved Shane as a character but I think he became way too unhinged to be a good leader.

His pragmatism but with more psychological stability would be the perfect combination though

[Cal.]

Shane is probably their most interesting character actually.

His descent into madness and Andrea learning to cope with losing her sister are two of my fave story lines :love:

[Babayaro.]

Morgan's arc is good too

[Lostie!]

Shane is probably their most interesting character actually.

His descent into madness and Andrea learning to cope with losing her sister are two of my fave story lines :love:

Yeah I always found Shane one of the most interesting characters and I think the show extending his arc was one of the better changes they made from the comic. (minor comic spoilers under the tag).

Shane and the people of Terminus are my favourite antagonists. Clearly I'm a sucker for fallen hero stories :pipe2:

[Ant.]

Morgan's arc is good too

Spoilers(?) below (it's pretty common knowledge at this point)
A lot of people don't seem to like him so it makes me happy to see I'm not alone in this. I just hope that, when he leaves TWD for FTWD, the door stays open so he can return once he inevitably has to leave FTWD :worry:)
I DEFINITELY am excited for Morgan on FTWD because we'll get to see how he changed between Rick's encounters with him in S1 and S3

[Babayaro.]

I just watched Clear last night and it was fantastic. Lennie James acted the **** out of it! :clap1:

[Cal.]

I find Morgan so boring. I find the whole Kingdom boring actually.

It’s annoying because Carol is one of my favourite characters and they’ve put her with them.!

[Lostie!]

Spoilers(?) below (it's pretty common knowledge at this point)
A lot of people don't seem to like him so it makes me happy to see I'm not alone in this. I just hope that, when he leaves TWD for FTWD, the door stays open so he can return once he inevitably has to leave FTWD :worry:)
I DEFINITELY am excited for Morgan on FTWD because we'll get to see how he changed between Rick's encounters with him in S1 and S3

I think it's been said that Fear is gonna have a time jump and that Morgan's story there takes place after TWD season 8.

[Amy Jade]

This doesn't look good...

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-walking-dead/news/a850484/the-walking-dead-season-8-cast-lauren-cohan-maggie-abc-pilot/

Looks like Lauren Cohan is leaving :(

[user104658]

This doesn't look good...

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-walking-dead/news/a850484/the-walking-dead-season-8-cast-lauren-cohan-maggie-abc-pilot/

Looks like Lauren Cohan is leaving :(

I just read that. Also, it's a comedy, that;

"FBI agent Will Chase and his new partnership with CIA operative Frankie Trowbridge, as the two navigate saving the world – and each other."

...frankly sounds like it will be absolutely ****ing awful, formulaic crap.


However, the ratings have been dropping like a stone and a lot of the bigger / emerging stars of TWD are going to start wanting out if they don't pick up soon. No one wants to be dragged down with a sinking ship. I mean the network has said they want the show to go on for years but I really can't see Andrew Lincoln or Norman Reedus signing many more contracts if the show continues to decline in viewership.

Worst part is it might already be too late... and even if somehow the show manages to get back to being as objectively good as it was once, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll manage to regain lost viewers.

[Ammi]

This doesn't look good...

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-walking-dead/news/a850484/the-walking-dead-season-8-cast-lauren-cohan-maggie-abc-pilot/

Looks like Lauren Cohan is leaving :(

...I would be sad to see her character go..:sad:...but maybe her leaving storyline will be taking Negan with her../..killing him first and avenging Glenn...

[Cal.]

It’s weird how much I hated Lori when the first few seasons aired but in hindsight she was a bloody brilliant character. Flawed but brilliant.

[user104658]

It’s weird how much I hated Lori when the first few seasons aired but in hindsight she was a bloody brilliant character. Flawed but brilliant.She could still come back! I mean yeah I know she was cut open and eaten by a greedy zombie, but in Prison Break she had her head cut off and put in a box and she came back from that so...

[Barry.]

This doesn't look good...

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-walking-dead/news/a850484/the-walking-dead-season-8-cast-lauren-cohan-maggie-abc-pilot/

Looks like Lauren Cohan is leaving :(No :(.

[Ammi]

..the helicopter shown in TWD...could that be another crossover from Fear and maybe Travis isn’t dead after all...?...

[Nicky91]

...I would be sad to see her character go..:sad:...but maybe her leaving storyline will be taking Negan with her../..killing him first and avenging Glenn...

i can see Negan killing her with Lucille, and then Maggie's grave is next to Glenn's, btw i also can see King Ezekiel being really tortured now, Father Gabriel being as good as a goner, so we might get newer characters now

[Ant.]

I think it's been said that Fear is gonna have a time jump and that Morgan's story there takes place after TWD season 8.

D:

WHAT?! I read somewhere FTWD is gonna mess around with the time but why are they catching up to the main show?!
I guess the whole "set at the start of the apocalypse" idea just stopped applying and was no longer the novelty once season 1 finished but still I always thought it was neat they lagged behind a bit

This doesn't look good...

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-walking-dead/news/a850484/the-walking-dead-season-8-cast-lauren-cohan-maggie-abc-pilot/

Looks like Lauren Cohan is leaving :(


I'm GUTTED Maggie may be leaving :bawling: She's easily developed into the best leader and she's up there with Glenn, Michonne and Carol as my favourite characters. I was honestly hoping she would outlive Daryl, but that was obviously just wishful thinking :rolleyes:

I'm hoping her exit leaves a door open for her to return. Like, maybe after the timeskip, she's gone off somewhere just like (comic spoilers)
Michonne did in the timeskip

I can't blame Cohan for wanting to leave though. This show's been awful to the cast :bawling:

[Cal.]

I predict

Maggie will go to live somewhere by herself with the baby and only communicates with the group through Enid.

[Jordan.]

It’s weird how much I hated Lori when the first few seasons aired but in hindsight she was a bloody brilliant character. Flawed but brilliant.

I never really got the hate for her and we know she was team Shane so at least she had TASTE.

[Cal.]

I never really got the hate for her and we know she was team Shane so at least she had TASTE.

Tea!

[user104658]

I never really got the hate for her and we know she was team Shane so at least she had TASTE.More accurately she was enjoying some Shane D when she thought her husband was dead and then when it turned out he wasn't, she dropped poor Shane like a cold bag of sick...

[Amy Jade]

I liked Lori too, yeah she was didn't deal with Shane well when Rick turned out to be alive but it was such a messed up situation.

She was actually really selfless and when she knew she was dying she never even gave a second thought to herself she just wanted Judith and Carl safe.

[Niamh.]

I liked Lori too, yeah she was didn't deal with Shane well when Rick turned out to be alive but it was such a messed up situation.

She was actually really selfless and when she knew she was dying she never even gave a second thought to herself she just wanted Judith and Carl safe.Well they're her kids, it doesn't make her selfless, it makes her a mother

[Ant.]

About tonight's episode

That was a great episode imo. It was nice we had the Kingdom moments to break up the relatively uneventful Sewer moments (and that's not a criticism - I adored each and every sewer moment :flutter: but they'd be stuck if they tried to make an engaging, fully interesting story just about Carl saying good bye

That said, I as a tad annoyed we never saw the other survivors say good bye to Carl besides Siddiq, Michonne, Rick, and Judith? Yeah Daryl was like "wow you're the reason all these people are safe!" but he just walked off without even saying good bye :umm2:
Even if he said goodbye beforehand it still would've been polite and nice to just say good bye

My bitterness aside, I LOVED that was got some scenes to explain what happened before the MSF. Somewhat of an explanation as to how the saviors escaped, how Carl got bit, and some lovely moments with Judith :love: Oh and talking of explanations, it's nice that we finally saw Carl address his actions in the Season 3 finale

I LOVED the Judith scenes (the one with Negan too... wow) but it's still sad that Carl's not gonna be there to watch her grow :bawling:

Overall, an episode with great acting, and while I was immensely satisfied with Carl's goodbyes to Rick, Michonne (I was hoping he'd call her mum or something but the "best friend" moment was cute :love:) and Siddiq, I'm still a tad mad we never saw him say his goodbyes to the people he saved/has been family/friends with

[Niamh.]

About tonight's episode

That was a great episode imo. It was nice we had the Kingdom moments to break up the relatively uneventful Sewer moments (and that's not a criticism - I adored each and every sewer moment :flutter: but they'd be stuck if they tried to make an engaging, fully interesting story just about Carl saying good bye

That said, I as a tad annoyed we never saw the other survivors say good bye to Carl besides Siddiq, Michonne, Rick, and Judith? Yeah Daryl was like "wow you're the reason all these people are safe!" but he just walked off without even saying good bye :umm2:
Even if he said goodbye beforehand it still would've been polite and nice to just say good bye

My bitterness aside, I LOVED that was got some scenes to explain what happened before the MSF. Somewhat of an explanation as to how the saviors escaped, how Carl got bit, and some lovely moments with Judith :love: Oh and talking of explanations, it's nice that we finally saw Carl address his actions in the Season 3 finale

I LOVED the Judith scenes (the one with Negan too... wow) but it's still sad that Carl's not gonna be there to watch her grow :bawling:

Overall, an episode with great acting, and while I was immensely satisfied with Carl's goodbyes to Rick, Michonne (I was hoping he'd call her mum or something but the "best friend" moment was cute :love:) and Siddiq, I'm still a tad mad we never saw him say his goodbyes to the people he saved/has been family/friends with

Why would he call Michonne mom? He had a mom and he was a teenager when him and Michonne got together, that would just be weird :laugh:

[Nicky91]

Carl finally dead, my prayers have come true :cheer2: most dull character of TWD, now pls kill off boring Maggie as well and the whole Michonne/Rick romance is irritating me so much :bored:

[Niamh.]

I was just starting to like Carl and they kill him off

[user104658]

About tonight's episode

That was a great episode imo. It was nice we had the Kingdom moments to break up the relatively uneventful Sewer moments (and that's not a criticism - I adored each and every sewer moment :flutter: but they'd be stuck if they tried to make an engaging, fully interesting story just about Carl saying good bye

That said, I as a tad annoyed we never saw the other survivors say good bye to Carl besides Siddiq, Michonne, Rick, and Judith? Yeah Daryl was like "wow you're the reason all these people are safe!" but he just walked off without even saying good bye :umm2:
Even if he said goodbye beforehand it still would've been polite and nice to just say good bye

My bitterness aside, I LOVED that was got some scenes to explain what happened before the MSF. Somewhat of an explanation as to how the saviors escaped, how Carl got bit, and some lovely moments with Judith :love: Oh and talking of explanations, it's nice that we finally saw Carl address his actions in the Season 3 finale

I LOVED the Judith scenes (the one with Negan too... wow) but it's still sad that Carl's not gonna be there to watch her grow :bawling:

Overall, an episode with great acting, and while I was immensely satisfied with Carl's goodbyes to Rick, Michonne (I was hoping he'd call her mum or something but the "best friend" moment was cute :love:) and Siddiq, I'm still a tad mad we never saw him say his goodbyes to the people he saved/has been family/friends with

I agree, even though I think killing off Coral was premature... it somehow still managed to be structurally the best episode all season. Possibly for years :think:. The pacing was right, the amount of things going on was right (just back and forth between Carl and The Kingdom, a straightforward narrative of each, not 10 million things going on at once!) the acting was generally excellent, and it was just a really well shot and executed episode in general. Gives me SOME hope, I guess? Especially as Gimple is no longer showrunner, though because he's been promoted apparently, rather than fired... but still, there's been a bit of a shake-up at the basic creative level which might lead to some good things.

Also... I say the acting was GENERALLY excellent... but, the close-up of Coral's face as he was being bitten was unintentionally hilarious for me. Like a daytime soap or something :joker:

https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2018/02/27/coralbit.jpg

[Ant.]

I agree, even though I think killing off Coral was premature... it somehow still managed to be structurally the best episode all season. Possibly for years :think:. The pacing was right, the amount of things going on was right (just back and forth between Carl and The Kingdom, a straightforward narrative of each, not 10 million things going on at once!) the acting was generally excellent, and it was just a really well shot and executed episode in general. Gives me SOME hope, I guess? Especially as Gimple is no longer showrunner, though because he's been promoted apparently, rather than fired... but still, there's been a bit of a shake-up at the basic creative level which might lead to some good things.

Also... I say the acting was GENERALLY excellent... but, the close-up of Coral's face as he was being bitten was unintentionally hilarious for me. Like a daytime soap or something :joker:

https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2018/02/27/coralbit.jpg


YES :clap1: It just had the perfect mixture. And yeah I completely agree, while I know this season is meant to be action packed, they certainly tried to fit too many stories into some stories. An example is episode 2 of this season - we saw Regina's outpost being attacked, Rick and Daryl attacking the office building, and Tara and Jesus' group attack the Satellite outpost And while these kinda action packed episodes are great, I do feel like we have too many and this episode managed to find just the right balance.
I agree though, if we get some more episodes like this The Walking Dead may have a chance of being objectively good again? But I can't get my hopes up :worry:

:joker: I must agree they're ridiculous but I do appreciate you can see him realise "oh ****". And Chandler's acting was superb in this episode despite the awkward faces he made at the start :joker:

[Ant.]

Why would he call Michonne mom? He had a mom and he was a teenager when him and Michonne got together, that would just be weird :laugh:

Lowkey spoilers for the comics:
Carl calls Andrea 'mom' in the comics after the timeskip, and yeah Carl was like 11? when Andrea and Rick got together but he's 13 in the comics when he starts calling Andrea mom, and Carl's currently about 14 in the TV show.
And while a year can make a lot of difference especially when young,
I don't think believe it would be too out there for Carl to have started calling Michonne his mum in a similar wa

Comics aside, Carl and Michonne have always had a mother-son relationship IMO. Even before Rick and Michonne got together - the absolute fear and worry she had for him when he lost his eye in No Way Out, how excited he is to see her on various occasions in season 4, how Michonne would always give him things like comics and I believe he got him a picture of his family for Judith? She certainly went out of her way for him and loved him more than anyone else (besides maybe Judith and Rick but it's not a competition :laugh:)
I definitely think Michonne felt that mother-son bond, with the way she said "You're mine". And yeah it's possible she's referring to him being her "best friend", but she already said "you're mine too". "You're mine" being repeated,
without the 'too', makes it sounds like Carl is something more to her than a best friend - a son

And I definitely feel like Carl felt the same way. When he went out of his way to help Spencer put down Deana, Carl said "I'd do it for you" (or wtte).
Eh I don't know. It just definitely felt like there was more to them than 'best friends' and I wish that was acknowledged. Even if Carl said, "you're like a mum to me". I know she'd never replace the mum he had for the 12/13 years of his life and how she brought him and his sister into the world and how she supported him and guided him throughout the start of the apocalypse, but IMO there's no denying Michonne and Carl shared a more special bond than 'best friends'

[Niamh.]

But he has a mom, it would be insulting to her

[user104658]

If Carl had called Michonne "Mom" I would have turned off the TV and deleted the ****ing file tbh. I can't imagine a worse moment of television :joker:. I'm still struggling with Rick and Michonne being together at all, it's ridiculous, there was never a hint of ANYTHING more than friendship / camaraderie between them! It came out of nowhere. They at least needed to built the relationship up over a season. Would have been OK if they were just banging but basically just as ****-buddies... but they went from no spark at all to "in love can't live without each other" out of nowhere. It's daft.

[Ammi]

...for Lilbro....I guess the most Carl could have said was...I couldn’t have wished for a better ‘mum’ for Judith than you, my best friend, Michonne...

[Nicky91]

Negan having a good side, and he's so right about Rick, i liked last night's episode

[Ammi]

..I just don’t know how such a successful series has become so ..I don’t care...in such a short space of time..:sad:...I just can’t emotionally invest or connect with any character anymore...even Michonne who has been a favourite for so long...she just felt so uninteresting in that episode..:sad:...it’s so weird...every episode and every season ending used to leave me so on edge for the next episode or series in anticipation...but atm it’s just leaving me feeling flat...:sad:...the meat grinder scenes were so grim..so it keeps the grim but not the emotional connections, which have been felt...for me anyway...

[Niamh.]

Yeah totally agree Ammi, if they cared about the series and not just about how much cash they raked in they should have made this one the last season but had lead up to the end seasons beforehand and ended it properly

The fact that they've killed off most of the originals now bar Rick, Carol and Daryl (that's it I think?) and they've not replaced them with anyone that interesting, who do you actually root ffor anymore? Daryl they've ruined, Michonne they've ruined, she was enigmatic and a bad ass now she's like an apocalyptic stepford wife or something. carol is the only one still a bit interesting but I can feel them ruining her too. Then Carl who I hated with a passion since day one finally they start making him likeable and one of the best characters and then kill him off :facepalm:

[Mystic Mock]

I never really got the hate for her and we know she was team Shane so at least she had TASTE.

Well she was a Soap Opera character in a post-apocalyptic Horror show, imo a character that's just all about a love triangles and Romances deserves to be hated by the fans.

[Mystic Mock]

Carl finally dead, my prayers have come true :cheer2: most dull character of TWD, now pls kill off boring Maggie as well and the whole Michonne/Rick romance is irritating me so much :bored:

The Rick and Michonne stuff has always been terrible tbf.

[user104658]

Again the episode itself was well made in terms of acting, structure and coherence which is a positive - it was well made TV again which it hasn't been for a while. However, I agree with the above in that many of the characters have been trashed and most of the new characters have been brought in to replace dead ones are frankly wafer-thin, and that's a pretty big problem. They need to focus on characters again.

Niamh:

I thought you would have loved this episode... the Junk Yard Kids got turned into sausage meat! :joker: And Jadis was like "Ahh crap all my friends are dead and everyone else found the stupid talking thing annoying so now I'll have to talk like a normal person".

I did LOL at the reveal of why they spoke like that and what they were all about. The whole place was basically a pretentious art project :think:...

[Niamh.]

Again the episode itself was well made in terms of acting, structure and coherence which is a positive - it was well made TV again which it hasn't been for a while. However, I agree with the above in that many of the characters have been trashed and most of the new characters have been brought in to replace dead ones are frankly wafer-thin, and that's a pretty big problem. They need to focus on characters again.

Niamh:

I thought you would have loved this episode... the Junk Yard Kids got turned into sausage meat! :joker: And Jadis was like "Ahh crap all my friends are dead and everyone else found the stupid talking thing annoying so now I'll have to talk like a normal person".

I did LOL at the reveal of why they spoke like that and what they were all about. The whole place was basically a pretentious art project :think:...

:laugh2:

Well yeah that was good alright,

I was only shouting at the TV "WHY ARE YOU TALKING LIKE THAT " :fist: when Simon blew the whole lot of them away and then Jadis started talking like she wasn't living on planet Yoda anymore

[user104658]

Simon proving once and for all that he's a better villain than Negan :flutter:

[Niamh.]

He is actually a better villain tbf Negan is like a cartoon character

[user104658]

He is actually a better villain tbf Negan is like a cartoon character

He's more or less exactly the same character as he voices in GTA5 :joker:

https://gifyu.com/images/fXKadTw1.gif

(Well, except from having sex with a stuffed bear... that we know of...)

[Nicky91]

The Rick and Michonne stuff has always been terrible tbf.

yep

Negan showing some sympathy towards Rick for Carl, and Rick just acting tough and saying i'm gonna kill you, while it is now revealed Negan only wants to keep as many people safe from the walkers, building a new society, i find Simon more a sadistic villain, if they take Simon out, i think both Saviors & former Alexandria, now hilltop/Kingdom people could work together

[Niamh.]

He's more or less exactly the same character as he voices in GTA5 :joker:

https://gifyu.com/images/fXKadTw1.gif

(Well, except from having sex with a stuffed bear... that we know of...)

Oh I didn't know he did that too, I've never played that game, also having sex with a bear is perfectly fine if having sex with a fish man can win you an Oscar :hee:

[Niamh.]

yep

Negan showing some sympathy towards Rick for Carl, and Rick just acting tough and saying i'm gonna kill you, while it is now revealed Negan only wants to keep as many people safe from the walkers, building a new society, i find Simon more a sadistic villain, if they take Simon out, i think both Saviors & former Alexandria, now hilltop/Kingdom people could work together

Oh Nicky give over :laugh:

[Jordan.]

Tara had me triggered all episode bullying Dwight :oh:

[Jordan.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX5l3yaX4AEf_Az?format=jpg

[Ant.]

^ :laugh2:

I hope someone brings up the fact Tara was on the opposing side of Rick's group at one point. Sure, she didn't open fire on Rick's group and knew she was on the wrong side once Hershel got beheaded AND she had to prove her worth to Glenn, but she could at least be more sympathetic towards Dwight, especially as he pretty much said he's aware they'll kill him after the fight's done. She should know how it is to be misled and to realise you're on the wrong side.

That said, they are completely different situations, and while Denise has been dead for like, 2 years for us, Tara only found out when she returned home in 7x06, which was day 602 of the apocalypse. Given day 610 was Mercy and only what, 2 days has passed since then? Tara's only been aware of Denise's death for 10 days, I can see why she's still pissed off and wants to kill him (well, more so given how fresh Denise's death is - especially as she's got the guilt of betraying Oceanside and the pressure to fight for her home).

[Ammi]

...I thought that episode was more ‘old walking dead’, so enjoyed it more...but I’m still not sure I’ll invest enough to watch series 9 though...just not feeling it the same atm in general...but Negan did lose some of his ‘cartoon character’ and was more ‘sinister’ in his threatening vibe again...ughhhh, I hate Lucille so much...she’s evil...

[Nicky91]

so Siddiq taking dr carson's place now at the hilltop, Eugene turning into a villain more and more it seems, i hope Maggie will be killed by Simon

[Niamh.]

^ :laugh2:

I hope someone brings up the fact Tara was on the opposing side of Rick's group at one point. Sure, she didn't open fire on Rick's group and knew she was on the wrong side once Hershel got beheaded AND she had to prove her worth to Glenn, but she could at least be more sympathetic towards Dwight, especially as he pretty much said he's aware they'll kill him after the fight's done. She should know how it is to be misled and to realise you're on the wrong side.

That said, they are completely different situations, and while Denise has been dead for like, 2 years for us, Tara only found out when she returned home in 7x06, which was day 602 of the apocalypse. Given day 610 was Mercy and only what, 2 days has passed since then? Tara's only been aware of Denise's death for 10 days, I can see why she's still pissed off and wants to kill him (well, more so given how fresh Denise's death is - especially as she's got the guilt of betraying Oceanside and the pressure to fight for her home).

Wasn't Dwight the one who actually killed Denise though (or am I remembering that wrong)? If it was him who did it then the situations aren't the same, being part of a rival group who were responsible for killing Denise would be one thing but being the one who actually killed her is a totally different story

[Cal.]

Idk why but I’m rooting for Jadis

[Amy Jade]

Wasn't Dwight the one who actually killed Denise though (or am I remembering that wrong)? If it was him who did it then the situations aren't the same, being part of a rival group who were responsible for killing Denise would be one thing but being the one who actually killed her is a totally different story

Yes, Dwight shot Denise with Daryls crossbow.

Tara was never part of killing innocent people, when she saw what the Governor was really up to she didn't even fight on his side she just looked on in shock. Dwight killed Denise in cold blood. She was absolutely no threat to him.

[Cal.]

It was an accident tho tbf. He meant to kill Daryl but was a bad aim.

[Lostie!]

It was an accident tho tbf. He meant to kill Daryl but was a bad aim.

The true hero of this story :clap1: (I still need to find the motivation to watch this season but I haven't posted about my hatred for Daryl in a while so)

[Natalie.]

The true hero of this story :clap1: (I still need to find the motivation to watch this season but I haven't posted about my hatred for Daryl in a while so)

:joker::joker:

[Babayaro.]

Carl finally dead, my prayers have come true :cheer2: most dull character of TWD, now pls kill off boring Maggie as well and the whole Michonne/Rick romance is irritating me so much :bored:

What a dreadful opinion

[Babayaro.]

I predict Jadis will return at some point next season or maybe even the one after (if there is one) as a huge villain. She has a reason to go after Rick's group and Negan's.

[Strictly Jake]

Well after about 6 or 7 weeks of solidly binge watching this program I have finally caught up and was able to actually watch tonight's episode tonight

What a journey this program has gone through its been amazing to watch it all!!

[Nicky91]

i don't find Negan a villain anymore tbh, i'm liking him so much
Simon on the other hand is a true sadistic villain, and i think next weeks episode people are gonna die at hilltop, and i can also still see Simon surviving this battle, for a confrontation between him and Negan, cause he seemed pissed that he didn't know simon had killed most of the scavengers behind his back

[Ammi]

...so who is Georgie then...

https://fsmedia.imgix.net/3c/d7/38/8b/e697/4c6b/a6d1/ab0b180070bd/jayne-atkinson-as-georgie-on-the-walking-dead.png?rect=0%2C73%2C1440%2C480&auto=format%2Ccompress&w=650


...I liked that episode ...obviously it introduced Georgia and it’s good to have a new character as it’s felt quite stale recently...and Simon’s character has become more interesting...I think Dwight will be killed this series, I can’t see him surviving...and I think Jadis will die also...I can’t see a little gun seeing him off after just surviving what he did with his Rick scrap...and obviously he and Simon need to have a chat as well about some stuff and thangs....so poor Jadis..:sad:...although her hairstyle is pretty bad and annoying...

[Nicky91]

...so who is Georgie then...

https://fsmedia.imgix.net/3c/d7/38/8b/e697/4c6b/a6d1/ab0b180070bd/jayne-atkinson-as-georgie-on-the-walking-dead.png?rect=0%2C73%2C1440%2C480&auto=format%2Ccompress&w=650


...I liked that episode ...obviously it introduced Georgia and it’s good to have a new character as it’s felt quite stale recently...and Simon’s character has become more interesting...I think Dwight will be killed this series, I can’t see him surviving...and I think Jadis will die also...I can’t see a little gun seeing him off after just surviving what he did with his Rick scrap...and obviously he and Simon need to have a chat as well about some stuff and thangs....so poor Jadis..:sad:...although her hairstyle is pretty bad and annoying...

i think Negan will tell Jadis, about Simon acted on his own plan about killing most of her group, well yeah Dwight is playing with fire, returning to the saviours, and especially Simon who doesn't trust him anymore at all, Georgie seems an interesting character, i don't know if she's one of the good characters or someone with a evil scheme, she wants to trade with Hilltop but hilltop hasn't got much to offer so i can see an argument coming there

[Ant.]

...so who is Georgie then...

https://fsmedia.imgix.net/3c/d7/38/8b/e697/4c6b/a6d1/ab0b180070bd/jayne-atkinson-as-georgie-on-the-walking-dead.png?rect=0%2C73%2C1440%2C480&auto=format%2Ccompress&w=650


...I liked that episode ...obviously it introduced Georgia and it’s good to have a new character as it’s felt quite stale recently...and Simon’s character has become more interesting...I think Dwight will be killed this series, I can’t see him surviving...and I think Jadis will die also...I can’t see a little gun seeing him off after just surviving what he did with his Rick scrap...and obviously he and Simon need to have a chat as well about some stuff and thangs....so poor Jadis..:sad:...although her hairstyle is pretty bad and annoying...

Spoilers for the comic (very recent spoilers)
I'm willing to bet she's from the Commonwealth - a recently introduced, very civilised community in the comics with a population of 50,000, due to her appearance or nature. I personally like to believe that they'd rather establish her now (approximately 50 issues worth of content and material early) so she holds some more importance and weight in the future when we see her with the Commonwealth after the timeskip (if Georgie is from the Commonwealth that is)? Especially if the Commonwealth is far out - it would have some pay-off IMO.
They introduced Oceanside 30 issues early (and I would argue Andrea's death in a sense? Both Carl and Comic!Andrea are amazing survivalists who fell victim to a walker, and I imagine their deaths will affect Rick in similar ways) - way before the eventual timeskip, so I don't think it is too out there to introduce a new, very important community for the future.
If she isn't from the Commonwealth (I really doubt she is from the Commonwealth anyway) then I have no idea who she could be. She has to have better motives than helping other communities to become more sustainable!)

:joker: at the hairstyle comment. The more I see of her the more convinced I am that she's gonna be the Alpha and lead an army of the dead (which she essentially did after Simon killed all her people). That said, I've always been thinking if FTWD would lead to the Whisperers or Commonwealth - I just have fun thinking of improbable scenarios based on little to no evidence :laugh:
Although maybe they'll cut the Whisperer arc, given how Carl's been cut and he's KEY to that storyline. Unless Carl's still alive (we didn't see the blood on the sheet!!! /denial)

[Ammi]

Spoilers for the comic (very recent spoilers)
I'm willing to bet she's from the Commonwealth - a recently introduced, very civilised community in the comics with a population of 50,000, due to her appearance or nature. I personally like to believe that they'd rather establish her now (approximately 50 issues worth of content and material early) so she holds some more importance and weight in the future when we see her with the Commonwealth after the timeskip (if Georgie is from the Commonwealth that is)? Especially if the Commonwealth is far out - it would have some pay-off IMO.
They introduced Oceanside 30 issues early (and I would argue Andrea's death in a sense? Both Carl and Comic!Andrea are amazing survivalists who fell victim to a walker, and I imagine their deaths will affect Rick in similar ways) - way before the eventual timeskip, so I don't think it is too out there to introduce a new, very important community for the future.
If she isn't from the Commonwealth (I really doubt she is from the Commonwealth anyway) then I have no idea who she could be. She has to have better motives than helping other communities to become more sustainable!)

:joker: at the hairstyle comment. The more I see of her the more convinced I am that she's gonna be the Alpha and lead an army of the dead (which she essentially did after Simon killed all her people). That said, I've always been thinking if FTWD would lead to the Whisperers or Commonwealth - I just have fun thinking of improbable scenarios based on little to no evidence :laugh:
Although maybe they'll cut the Whisperer arc, given how Carl's been cut and he's KEY to that storyline. Unless Carl's still alive (we didn't see the blood on the sheet!!! /denial)

...yeah she really needs to sort that hairstyle/look out Lilbro...zombies and apocalypse stuff is really no excuse at all...Maggie’s also suffered and struggled but those struggles are not seen in her hairstyle...actually in the last episode I was thinking how glossy and gorgeous Maggie’s hair looked...she knows the important things in life of onditioning regularly...

....oooo I just googled the Commonwealth...and that could be it with Georgie...I also read that Michonne (..may..)..find her son there, all fit and healthy and having survived...how amazing would that be, how emotional..:lovedup:...have you noticed though how every community Rick’s group come across...they always seem to leave total destruction somehow, or contribute to it...so Georgia should be saying...no, don’t you even think about it, stay away from us..:laugh:...rather than yes, you interest us as a group...don’t do it Georgie, don’t let them near you, it won’t go well at all...poor Georgie..:sad:...

[Strictly Jake]

I think your right about the commonwealth story line and that new woman is Pamela the governor of the commonwealth, also they own the helicopter that rick saw?

We need a lot of new characters even though I have only just caught up in agree it's got very stale the earlier series were tons better, they killed good characters off really early on, Andrea, Dale, Shane etc then went on to kill Abraham and Glenn. So they definitely lost some of the better characters. I think the program should have waited a bit longer before them going to live in the prison but it was really good around that point, even the governor storyline should have lasted a lot longer. It was just after that when they had to leave the prison it started losing its way a bit and was very slow. The whole negan situation is pretty great though he is he best characters in it and we need to see his background and im pretty certain he will be a friend of rick before long but yes it's time to get some new characters. This is controversial but for the programme to continue and progress I actually think rick needs to die...

[Ammi]

...it was another good episode...hmmmm, I’m being a bit dumb though probably...but I just don’t understand with Lucille...they’ve covered themselves with bits of walkers and had all splashes on them etc...and they must have had open wounds as well...but they’ve been ok...?...but not with Lucille being covered with bits of walkers..?....

[Niamh.]

...it was another good episode...hmmmm, I’m being a bit dumb though probably...but I just don’t understand with Lucille...they’ve covered themselves with bits of walkers and had all splashes on them etc...and they must have had open wounds as well...but they’ve been ok...?...but not with Lucille being covered with bits of walkers..?....

Yeah i was saying this to Gav as well, not to mention bits of walker going in their noses, mouths etc That part of the story didn't make a lot of sense to me at all. Besides that gaping plot hole I really enjoyed the episode, oddly it was the worst rated one of the season so far though :think:

[Ammi]

Yeah i was saying this to Gav as well, not to mention bits of walker going in their noses, mouths etc That part of the story didn't make a lot of sense to me at all. Besides that gaping plot hole I really enjoyed the episode, oddly it was the worst rated one of the season so far though :think:

...yeah that’s exactly what I was saying to my ‘Mr Gav’ as well last night..:laugh:...we both felt we must have missed something ...there are lots of times when open wounds have been exposed and would have absorbed etc into the bloods...so why did Negan feel that contaminating Lucille would infiltrate...on the whole though...and yeah ignoring that huge confusion...I do think it’s getting back more to what was in earlier seasons and becoming generally more interesting again....

[Niamh.]

...yeah that’s exactly what I was saying to my ‘Mr Gav’ as well last night..:laugh:...we both felt we must have missed something ...there are lots of times when open wounds have been exposed and would have absorbed etc into the bloods...so why did Negan feel that contaminating Lucille would infiltrate...on the whole though...and yeah ignoring that huge confusion...I do think it’s getting back more to what was in earlier seasons and becoming generally more interesting again....

will be interesting to see where Jadis and Negan pop up and what their angle will be now Simon has taken over The Saviours

[Ammi]

will be interesting to see where Jadis and Negan pop up and what their angle will be now Simon has taken over The Saviours

...I did read something that said this particular ‘war’ storyline would be ‘resolved’ before the end of this season...wouldn’t carry forward to the next...so I think Simon will probably have a short lived takeover...just because he’s far more dangerous as a character than Negan is atm...so I think Negan will have his day with him, which won’t end well for Simon...and that would then maybe be what will keep Jadis alive as an ally...because it was Simon who killed her people and not on the orders of Negan...

[Nicky91]

will be interesting to see where Jadis and Negan pop up and what their angle will be now Simon has taken over The Saviours

i hope Negan tells Jadis the truth that he didn't have the intentions of killing the scavengers, and they go have revenge on Simon, could be a good plot twist to see Negan changing into a good guy, cause he isn't a villain, but i reckon he would make a good leader for Hilltop, Kingdom, Alexandria rather than Rick, who is broken now, and broken people get reckless

[Niamh.]

i hope Negan tells Jadis the truth that he didn't have the intentions of killing the scavengers, and they go have revenge on Simon, could be a good plot twist to see Negan changing into a good guy, cause he isn't a villain, but i reckon he would make a good leader for Hilltop, Kingdom, Alexandria rather than Rick, who is broken now, and broken people get reckless

Yeah, he took Glenn and Abrahams heads off with a barbed wired baseball bat but they will just forgive that and let him lead them all :laugh2: Maggie is the leader of Hilltop btw not Rick

[Cherie]

I finally caught up with the final ep of the first batch last night. ie Carl's death ...what a boring ep it took me 2 hours to watch as I kept looking at other things, he really was a terrible actor and did no justice to his death at all, good riddance, the only emotion I felt was die now.

[Nicky91]

Yeah, he took Glenn and Abrahams heads off with a barbed wired baseball bat but they will just forgive that and let him lead them all :laugh2: Maggie is the leader of Hilltop btw not Rick

Lauren Cohan had announced she would leave the show right, my guess is Maggie could die in the season 8 finale, btw Glenn's Abraham's deaths are on Rick, not Negan Rick should've just listened to Negan in the first place, then no one would've gotten hurt, Negan had lots of respect for Carl but also i like Siddiq as the new doctor

[Niamh.]

Oh Nicky fgs

[Nicky91]

i would just for the sake of the group listen to the one holding the baseball bat

[Cherie]

i would just for the sake of the group listen to the one holding the baseball bat

:joker:

[Babayaro.]

That episode was so bad lol.

• Henry is dumb and annoying
• Introducing a whole load of extras just so they can get killed off :skull:
• No one cares about said extras. If they wanted to make the walker attack scene gripping/scary then at least have someone we care about die
• Maggie is really irritating and one-note now
• That doctor was a DICK to Siddiq so slay @ her dying :clap1:
• And CBA @ Morgan hallucinating :rolleyes:

[Nicky91]

Doctor Dana, according to the walking dead wikia, she was the doctor for the kingdom

so now both hilltop and kingdom lost their doctors, i meant dr carson for the hilltop then

[Ammi]

..this has gone completely off for me...the last episode wasn’t bad and generally they seem to be more enjoyable ...but why didn’t Jadis kill Negan when she had him so helpless...regardless of whether she believed he had directly ordered her people killed or not...why doesn’t anyone kill Negan when there are so many chances to do so...even with his own people...it’s all silly, I feel...and his ‘association’ with Lucille and his wife being compared to Jadis’ memories with the photographs...oh yeah, I named her Lucille and then smashed people’s heads with her in memory of my wife...that’s quite similar to your photographs...just silly...

[Niamh.]

..this has gone completely off for me...the last episode wasn’t bad and generally they seem to be more enjoyable ...but why didn’t Jadis kill Negan when she had him so helpless...regardless of whether she believed he had directly ordered her people killed or not...why doesn’t anyone kill Negan when there are so many chances to do so...even with his own people...it’s all silly, I feel...and his ‘association’ with Lucille and his wife being compared to Jadis’ memories with the photographs...oh yeah, I named her Lucille and then smashed people’s heads with her in memory of my wife...that’s quite similar to your photographs...just silly...

It's pretty infuriating alright

[Ammi]

It's pretty infuriating alright

..I just know he’s going to be left out there and we’re all going to know he’s going to come back in future series...I mean why would you want to revisit and re-live the worst moments in life or in any series that you’ve enjoyed so much...until he was introduced...

[Niamh.]

..I just know he’s going to be left out there and we’re all going to know he’s going to come back in future series...I mean why would you want to revisit and re-live the worst moments in life or in any series that you’ve enjoyed so much...until he was introduced...

They need to make next season the last imo

[Ammi]

They need to make next season the last imo

..yeah I think so as well, it needs to end now...which would probably mean some key characters being killed ...but that would be a good thing as well, I think...I also don’t like how character’s personalities change so suddenly, like with Morgan...I realise they’re doing those ‘changes’ for him to crossover to fear...but it’s just not making sense either, his hallucinations etc...

[Niamh.]

..yeah I think so as well, it needs to end now...which would probably mean some key characters being killed ...but that would be a good thing as well, I think...I also don’t like how character’s personalities change so suddenly, like with Morgan...I realise they’re doing those ‘changes’ for him to crossover to fear...but it’s just not making sense either, his hallucinations etc...

Yeah they've ruined him, they turned him from pacifist to serial killer

[Ammi]

Yeah they've ruined him, they turned him from pacifist to serial killer

..there was no reason for them to brutally kill those people, was there...they had released them...so it makes it so that there are no ‘good’ people anymore....

[Jordan.]

I'm gonna need the only two cute characters left on the show (Dwight and Jadis) to become besties and start their own community and leave everyone else to ROT.

*goes to see if this is a fanfiction*

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[Nicky91]

i think the person who stepped in the car with Negan is Jadis, and next episode is gonna be really good with Negan who will probably have a few words with Simon now, as for an end battle i can see Negan more like being a secret ally for Rick's group against Simon

[Ant.]

I think Laura is the one who got in Negan's car. She's been MIA for what, 7 episodes now? And she'd either have to return in episode 15 or 16 (because what use is she returning after the timeskip? "Hey guys I've just been out and about for 2 years unable to find my group! Oh we lost? I bet it was Dwight's fault! He double crossed us! Oh we're friends with them now and you couldn't give 2 ****s because it was years ago? ok time for me to go into the background :)")
Laura's purpose is to make us fear she'll find the Saviors and expose Dwight's betrayal, and with the war ending at the end of the season, it'd only make sense for her to appear now to tell them, thus creating tension and possibly giving Rick and co. a major disadvantage. I'm ADAMANT it's her

[Lostie!]

I'm gonna need the only two cute characters left on the show (Dwight and Jadis) to become besties and start their own community and leave everyone else to ROT.

*goes to see if this is a fanfiction*

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I ship it

[Nicky91]

I think Laura is the one who got in Negan's car. She's been MIA for what, 7 episodes now? And she'd either have to return in episode 15 or 16 (because what use is she returning after the timeskip? "Hey guys I've just been out and about for 2 years unable to find my group! Oh we lost? I bet it was Dwight's fault! He double crossed us! Oh we're friends with them now and you couldn't give 2 ****s because it was years ago? ok time for me to go into the background :)")
Laura's purpose is to make us fear she'll find the Saviors and expose Dwight's betrayal, and with the war ending at the end of the season, it'd only make sense for her to appear now to tell them, thus creating tension and possibly giving Rick and co. a major disadvantage. I'm ADAMANT it's her

could be, and Negan said you look like sh*t to that person who got in the car, i can see some people in rick's group dying in the end battle tbh, Morgan is a liability now for Rick, and Rick himself also is a huge mess, he first gave his word about keeping the escaped prisoners alive and yet he killed them in cold blood, i was like i hope they kill off Rick soon

[Mystic Mock]

i hope Negan tells Jadis the truth that he didn't have the intentions of killing the scavengers, and they go have revenge on Simon, could be a good plot twist to see Negan changing into a good guy, cause he isn't a villain, but i reckon he would make a good leader for Hilltop, Kingdom, Alexandria rather than Rick, who is broken now, and broken people get reckless

Negan will probably become a hero which will make the show look ridiculous as someone that came into the show like he did should not be redeemed imo.

[Niamh.]

Negan will probably become a hero which will make the show look ridiculous as someone that came into the show like he did should not be redeemed imo.

Honestly if his character is redeemed I'm done with it

[Mystic Mock]

Honestly if his character is redeemed I'm done with it

The show does seem to have a love affair with him and we all have probably seen shows where to keep a character around they change their personality to something that can sustain itself for more than a couple of seasons.

[Nicky91]

The show does seem to have a love affair with him and we all have probably seen shows where to keep a character around they change their personality to something that can sustain itself for more than a couple of seasons.

i am hating Eugene more at the moment, he's such a coward


for the next episode, i've seen a teaser i think dwight is a goner since Negan approached him and said surprised to see me, i hope so cause i've got plenty of surprises, he knows that dwight had been playing both sides

[Ant.]

regarding 8x15:
Ok I actually enjoyed this! I was a tad sad because a YouTube title ruined Simon's death despite the fact the episode hadn't even aired in the USA when I first saw it :bawling: but Simon's FANTASTIC. I never really understood the beef with Negan (and based on everyone's reactions to the fist fight, I don't think anyone else did)

More Rosita :clap1: more Rosita clocking Eugene :clap1: I would've been more interested in seeing Tara pairing up with Rosita because the occasional Daryl and Rosita pairups make NO sense to me. They never interact except when they're out and about. Tara and Rosita are just partners in a similar way to Rick and Daryl! And given Tara is the only surviving member of GREAT besides Eugene and Rosita, she's arguably the closest person to Eugene bar Rosita so I certainly would've liked to see how she'd deal with it rather than Daryl who has like, never interacted with Eugene :skull:

Josh McDermitt's acting is great as usual but my god I hate Eugene :joker: (although with Eugene's character, both those points go hand in hand). Fingers crossed Eugene hearing Rosita drag him will encourage him to **** up the bullet supply (which is why I think he's brought Gabriel back into the production)

Also a few small questions were answered in this episode! Like we found out Simon killed the boys/men at Oceanside (which was a given anyway but still nice and iterates how Negan held/has the view of people being a resource, even if it's been challenged recently)
Oh and Gabriel's illness. While not an official diagnosis, I'm glad they sorta addressed how it was actually due to mishandling of guts and isn't in his blood, hence why he wasn't killed off like the redshirts people at Hilltop
Laura!! I was very confused as to who was in the car with Negan when we didnt see Laura pop up but then she did and it made sense for Negan to lead Dwight on, so he'd send the wrong details to the Hilltop. Although Rick and Michonne seemed apprehensive regarding the apparent plan so god knows if they'll do as Dwight advised

I'm hoping Oceanside save the day. I mean, they have to - Aaron, a somewhat main character, has essentially been MIA for half a season trying to get them to fight, and given how the Saviors wont expect them and Oceanside don't know about the plan, they'll be able to ambush them

Ok im done here because I'm just noticing obvious details rather than giving opinions but Im SO glad this war business is almost over

[Nicky91]

regarding 8x15:
Ok I actually enjoyed this! I was a tad sad because a YouTube title ruined Simon's death despite the fact the episode hadn't even aired in the USA when I first saw it :bawling: but Simon's FANTASTIC. I never really understood the beef with Negan (and based on everyone's reactions to the fist fight, I don't think anyone else did)

More Rosita :clap1: more Rosita clocking Eugene :clap1: I would've been more interested in seeing Tara pairing up with Rosita because the occasional Daryl and Rosita pairups make NO sense to me. They never interact except when they're out and about. Tara and Rosita are just partners in a similar way to Rick and Daryl! And given Tara is the only surviving member of GREAT besides Eugene and Rosita, she's arguably the closest person to Eugene bar Rosita so I certainly would've liked to see how she'd deal with it rather than Daryl who has like, never interacted with Eugene :skull:

Josh McDermitt's acting is great as usual but my god I hate Eugene :joker: (although with Eugene's character, both those points go hand in hand). Fingers crossed Eugene hearing Rosita drag him will encourage him to **** up the bullet supply (which is why I think he's brought Gabriel back into the production)

Also a few small questions were answered in this episode! Like we found out Simon killed the boys/men at Oceanside (which was a given anyway but still nice and iterates how Negan held/has the view of people being a resource, even if it's been challenged recently)
Oh and Gabriel's illness. While not an official diagnosis, I'm glad they sorta addressed how it was actually due to mishandling of guts and isn't in his blood, hence why he wasn't killed off like the redshirts people at Hilltop
Laura!! I was very confused as to who was in the car with Negan when we didnt see Laura pop up but then she did and it made sense for Negan to lead Dwight on, so he'd send the wrong details to the Hilltop. Although Rick and Michonne seemed apprehensive regarding the apparent plan so god knows if they'll do as Dwight advised

I'm hoping Oceanside save the day. I mean, they have to - Aaron, a somewhat main character, has essentially been MIA for half a season trying to get them to fight, and given how the Saviors wont expect them and Oceanside don't know about the plan, they'll be able to ambush them

Ok im done here because I'm just noticing obvious details rather than giving opinions but Im SO glad this war business is almost over

Eugene now doesn't care anymore about Rick's group how Rosita insulted him, i think some of the militia or maggie/rick group might die in next week's finale, oceanside could save them, Negan was so badass and Laura exposed Dwight and now Dwight did send the fake plan to Rick, so strategically this is good for Negan and the saviors, i think it will end with Rick winning, most of the saviors dead and Negan captured, so Negan can also be in season 9, the foreshadowing of Negan seeing that helikopter flying over the junkyard, i can see Negan giving that information to Rick in next season if he is in captivity

[Amy Jade]

I liked this episode, especially Rosita dragging Eugene. He deserves it. I wish Simon had stuck around longer because I found him far more interesting than Negan.

One scene bothered me though. Eugene hiding under ashes and seconds later Rosita and Daryl go past and he has somehow managed to find tarpaulin and pile the ashes on top of himself perfectly without even a dust cloud? Obviously the show is about zombies so you have to suspend belief but I cringed at how badly written that was.

[Ant.]

Eugene now doesn't care anymore about Rick's group how Rosita insulted him, i think some of the militia or maggie/rick group might die in next week's finale, oceanside could save them, Negan was so badass and Laura exposed Dwight and now Dwight did send the fake plan to Rick, so strategically this is good for Negan and the saviors, i think it will end with Rick winning, most of the saviors dead and Negan captured, so Negan can also be in season 9, the foreshadowing of Negan seeing that helikopter flying over the junkyard, i can see Negan giving that information to Rick in next season if he is in captivity

Good point. That helicopter has to be brought up next season or season 10, and I can only wonde WHAT. I doubt Jadis would tell anyone willy nilly, so we're kinda relying on Negan to leak that information

Eugene himself did recognise hat he did what he did to save Rosita and has since been doing what he's done since to survive, but Eugene's in a very powerful position. The quality of the bullets has been raised now, and yes the purpose of Eugene creating bullets was to get him away from Rick and Co and make him a Savior, but what was the point of that if it wasn't to have some pay-off? Especially with his abilities being brought up and required over a season after being captured for just that/2 seasons after his ability to make bullets was established? Eugene's ability to make bullets wasn't even mentioned in 7b or 7a and was only brought up halfway through 8b)
I definitely think Eugene's gonna switch sides now. And it'd just make sense narratively, he's always had this issue of doing what's right for the people around him and doing what's right for himself, I believe he's finally gonna realise he has to stop being selfish as Rosita drilled in his head

eh I'm just rambling but i'm just praying they use the next episode to round off and establish some good Eugene development by getting him back on Rick's side (and us back on his side bc Eugene has been greatly unlikeable even if Josh's acting is FANTASTIC) on his own terms rather than Rick taking him prisoner alongside Negan

I liked this episode, especially Rosita dragging Eugene. He deserves it. I wish Simon had stuck around longer because I found him far more interesting than Negan.

One scene bothered me though. Eugene hiding under ashes and seconds later Rosita and Daryl go past and he has somehow managed to find tarpaulin and pile the ashes on top of himself perfectly without even a dust cloud? Obviously the show is about zombies so you have to suspend belief but I cringed at how badly written that was.

:joker: It was ridiculous! And yes, we're watching a show were the dead re-animate and the whatnot, but we should only suspend our belief for things like 'why the grass hasn't grown' because well, the length of grass can't exactly be controlled, and I'd imagine it'd be HEFTY to CGI in all the long grass :laugh:

But we're meant to believe Eugene somehow got that well hidden when he wasn't even that far ahead of Rosita? If they just had him hide behind a car I'd excuse it but Eugene got way too hidden in such a short space of time
And yeah I guess it doesn't matter in the long-run but come on, if we want to believe the dead are walking again we should at least believe things that should be possible in real life

[Niamh.]

Agree about Eugene and his hiding place although I still instantly knew he was under there anyway :laugh:

It was a decent episode though all in all

[Cal.]

I'm gonna need the only two cute characters left on the show (Dwight and Jadis) to become besties and start their own community and leave everyone else to ROT.

*goes to see if this is a fanfiction*

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The only way the show can continue!

[Jordan.]

My anxiety over Dwight's well-being is at an all time high

[Babayaro.]

My anxiety over Dwight's well-being is at an all time high

He'll survive dw.


I know someone must die in the next ep though, but I genuinely have no idea who it will be :worry:

[Ammi]

...my anxiety over Dwight’s well-being is at an all time high as well, Jordan...it was hard to get through that episode because it was so tense for him...I’m not sure how realistic it is to hope he survives in the finale..:sad:...I hope he does...


...Eugene successfully hiding under the ashes though was just silly I thought...he has no sense of survival in that context and yet he ‘fooled’ two such prominent group survivor characters so easily...’he couldn’t have got far’ as they walk off in the distance but didn’t think of poking about in the ashes at all...hmmmm, no...just silly...


...maybe Eugene isn’t working for Negan...(...and also why he needed to escape and go back..)...maybe he is doing something to the bullets to harm Negan and his people...I don’t know what can be done with bullets but maybe Eugene is sabotaging them in some way...

[Nicky91]

He'll survive dw.


I know someone must die in the next ep though, but I genuinely have no idea who it will be :worry:

i think Morgan and from the saviors probably Arat, Laura

[Nicky91]

i personally hope Rick dies, cause i can't stand him

[Cherie]

One of the better episodes for a while, good tension building and a satisfying death :laugh:

The story line is building for Daryl to save Dwight I feel

[Nicky91]

Daryl saving Dwight, that would really shock me, cause Daryl doesn't care about anyone :joker:

[Niamh.]

...my anxiety over Dwight’s well-being is at an all time high as well, Jordan...it was hard to get through that episode because it was so tense for him...I’m not sure how realistic it is to hope he survives in the finale..:sad:...I hope he does...


...Eugene successfully hiding under the ashes though was just silly I thought...he has no sense of survival in that context and yet he ‘fooled’ two such prominent group survivor characters so easily...’he couldn’t have got far’ as they walk off in the distance but didn’t think of poking about in the ashes at all...hmmmm, no...just silly...


...maybe Eugene isn’t working for Negan...(...and also why he needed to escape and go back..)...maybe he is doing something to the bullets to harm Negan and his people...I don’t know what can be done with bullets but maybe Eugene is sabotaging them in some way...

I don't think so, i think he's gone full rat. He was the one who suggested infecting all the hilltop group and managed to kill loads of them

[Niamh.]

Daryl saving Dwight, that would really shock me, cause Daryl doesn't care about anyone :joker:

I sometimes think you're watching a different show to everyone else Nicky :laugh: Daryl is incredibly loyal to his core group, Rick, Michonne, Carol etc. He doesn't like Dwight because they have history

[Cal.]

Eugene executed after sabotaging The Saviors with the bullets I bloody reckon

[Babayaro.]

i personally hope Rick dies, cause i can't stand him

A dirty mess

[Ant.]

I'm praying we're getting a Team Family Death-Free finale, similar to 4x16 and 5x16, but given it's a war I'm doubting that. Although with us recently losing Carl, part of me has faith Rick & Co. are somewhat safe :hugesmile: (although it's not like that'd stop them from killing someone off)

[Nicky91]

I'm praying we're getting a Team Family Death-Free finale, similar to 4x16 and 5x16, but given it's a war I'm doubting that. Although with us recently losing Carl, part of me has faith Rick & Co. are somewhat safe :hugesmile: (although it's not like that'd stop them from killing someone off)

yes true, but still i can see a character like Morgan dying now, especially since we've seen him have those weird hallucinations


but also Rick had a vision at the start of season 8 and Negan was in that vision either i am wondering could this vision have been a hint at what the future is going to be like, since Rick is getting that same grey beard more and more now either

[Babayaro.]

That was Carl's vision/fantasy/dream, not Rick's.

[Nicky91]

That was Carl's vision/fantasy/dream, not Rick's.

we didn't see Carl in that vision though ;)

[Babayaro.]

we didn't see Carl in that vision though ;)

Because he's dead, and he knew he was dying. If it was Rick's vision then why wouldn't Carl be in it?

[Strictly Jake]

Yeah the visions were how Carl pictured the future to be not literally how it will turn out though so maybe negan won't be good in the end there may be a chance he gets killed in the war. It will probably pan out that you know either rick or negan has died and don't find out until the end or next year

[Cal.]

Omfgggg at Rick keeping Negan alive. Really not interested anymore.

The only thing that keeps me intrigued going forward is the fact that Maggie, Jesus and Daryl are ready to turn on Rick.

[Nicky91]

Omfgggg at Rick keeping Negan alive. Really not interested anymore.

The only thing that keeps me intrigued going forward is the fact that Maggie, Jesus and Daryl are ready to turn on Rick.

well now at least Negan can give the information what he saw at the junkyard, Georgie's helikopter and Rick kept Negan alive probably because Carl wanted that, for Rick to become a different person

[Ant.]

Omfgggg at Rick keeping Negan alive. Really not interested anymore.

The only thing that keeps me intrigued going forward is the fact that Maggie, Jesus and Daryl are ready to turn on Rick.

I was ****ing screaming at how sinister Maggie came across in that scene :laugh2:
Falls a bit flat if she does end up leaving though especially when they begin filming VERY soon

What I didn't like about the comics is that, Maggie agreed to the idea of keeping Negan alive since it's what Glenn would've wanted. In a way, yes, she honoured Glenn and his peaceful ways (well, for a ZA, Comic!Glenn didn't kill anyone).
I guess that would've fell through with how she said Glenn sorta led them to war in 7x16's monologue? Especially with Glenn having killed people in the TV show. I always thought that was a weird divergence since we never see how killing people affected Glenn despite how hesitant he was, but I'm gonna guess that this was the reason for - so Maggie doesn't agree with such bull**** of keeping Negan alive.

I'm sorta SHOOK they're seemingly willingly throwing a wrench in the Rick/Daryl friendship when people fangirl over it so much - not complaining though.

Aw Anne (formerly Jadis) is joining Alexandria :love: that's sweet

Also I LOVED that Oceanside helped out (it was a buildup for half a season like but meh)

Idk I felt like this was a great season for tying up loose ends! Even if Heath and Sherry are nowhere to be found... but meh we can solve them next season.
We should be seeing the Whisperers VERY soon but I can only wonder how the whole Lydia **** will work with Carl dead. Part of me's believing Georgie is from the Commonwealth, or if not she had some relation the helicopter. Regardless, if there's one thing this episode did right, it was setting up Season 9

[Jordan.]

The Maggie scene had me SHAKING she better snatch Rick

[Strictly Jake]

That last episode that I was very much looking forward to was......

A load of garbage I was so disappointed it was all so unbelievable and cheesy and cringe

Only good thing about it was the fact Eugene double crossed negan what a guy!!

Maggie Jesus and Daryl....completely silly

[Nicky91]

The Maggie scene had me SHAKING she better snatch Rick

Maggie is a crazy bitch, Rick had just finally seen the light now and yes i can imagine Negan telling them things what he saw from Georgie's helikopter, if she has that stuff what more does she need from Hilltop/Alexandria/Kingdom, i can see Georgie becoming season 9's villain but also since Lauren Cohan said she would leave the series i can see her going all crazy and then possibly being killed by Rick

[Niamh.]

Keeping Negan alive ffs :facepalm:

[Babayaro.]

Keeping Negan alive ffs :facepalm:

I hated that right before Rick slit his throat, Negan seemed to be crying?? Which was clearly an attempt at making us feel sympathetic towards him.


However, this is probably the most intrigued I have been for a new season. I'm glad they never ended it on a silly cliffhanger. Season nine has been set up perfectly.

[Babayaro.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2018/04/17/season-8-of-the-walking-dead-could-have-been-3-episodes-long-the-rest-was-pure-filler/

Lol so true

[Ant.]

The Maggie scene had me SHAKING she better snatch Rick

It's surreal how Maggie's been a leader of a community for not even 2 seasons and is better than Rick

Maggie just has me shook in general. When she delivered the walker Savior to Negan :flutter: When she led Hilltop to Alexandria in 7x16 :flutter: ugh just Maggie in general. Lauren's amazing and while I can't imagine a Maggie recast, I don't want to lose Maggie, even if it means Lauren gets to escape this ****show :(

Keeping Negan alive ffs :facepalm:

A few comic spoilers regarding the future of the show:
Negan becomes a sorta big character in the Whisperer War and how it ends. Also Maggie ends up getting closure in the end but it took too ****ing long imo

That aside, Negan's death really.... could've done with being a divergence from the comics. Obviously JDM and Negan are massive fan-favs and is probably gonna have the same plot armour as Daryl and outlive Rick :rolleyes:.

Sasha died trying to kill Negan, the entire plan was pretty much centred around killing Negan. That's what they constantly said. Rick EMPHASISED "I told you I was gonna kill you" and built it up to be a thing..that he was actually gonna kill him. Yet nothing lmao. And I can't accept 'this isn't what Glenn would want' as an answer when Maggie doesn't raise this as a point in the TV show, and I highly doubt Abe would want Negan to live

Like I get that Rick's trying to 'honour' Carl (that's still such bull**** lmao how much time difference was there between 7x16 and Season 8?? Not a lot. Carl made the first shot in 7x16 and killed a few Saviors trying to get to Negan in 7a. And then in the first episode of Season 8 he develops some sorta pacifist mindset and it's like... what made him have that epiphany?

I'm not saying at all Rick shouldn't have listened to his son's ideas (which he still could've done by sparing the Saviors as he did) or honour them but to have him call the shots over Eugene and Rosita (who lost Abraham and no doubt were they affected by Sasha's death), Daryl (his best friend, an abuse survivor, who was tortured by the man), Maggie (who lost Sasha and most of all, obviously, Glenn) and the other who were under his rule

I personally believe he should've died but if he were to live why couldn't they have everyone discuss it and come to an agreement? They've set up for tension between Maggie/Daryl/Jesus and Rick/Michonne and I just don't believe that they wouldn't act on it within this timeskip they're doing (obviously it depends on how long it is but if they stick with two years... yeah I can't imagine them waiting out trying to plan against Rick to kill Negan. It's an understandable conflict yes but it's not gonna have a satisfying pay-off)
Like that's what I at least liked about Negan being allowed to live in the comics. In the TV show it's just Rick calling the shot and ignoring everything he said and the otherswho died so Negan could die. He should've at least acknowledged and honoured them

[Niamh.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2018/04/17/season-8-of-the-walking-dead-could-have-been-3-episodes-long-the-rest-was-pure-filler/

Lol so true

sounds like a much better series

[Mystic Mock]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2018/04/17/season-8-of-the-walking-dead-could-have-been-3-episodes-long-the-rest-was-pure-filler/

Lol so true

The site wants me to take my ad-block away.

What does the article say if you don't mind me asking?

[Babayaro.]

Season 8 Of 'The Walking Dead' Could Have Been 3 Episodes Long -- The Rest Was Pure Filler


This whole season of The Walking Dead should have been three episodes long.

Season 8 of The Walking Dead was 13 episodes too long.

From the start of 'All-Out War' to the bloodless end, almost all of this season could have been cut. Pare the season back to just three episodes and you have a much better season without all the extraneous filler. Sure, we'd miss some plot but we'd end up with the same exact story.


The story of Season 8 is about Rick's group fighting back against Negan, winning the war and ultimately choosing mercy over vengeance. That's the story. That's the entire arc, and it could have been done in three episodes. Almost all the important beats could have taken place in three hours instead of sixteen.

I was actually thinking two episodes when I first thought about writing this post, but I decided that a proper story has a beginning, middle and end. Three acts.

So let's talk about what these three acts would have played out, and how everything important that happened this season would have actually had more of an impact had it just taken place over three episodes. I'm going to keep most of the big things that happen the same, with a few slight changes, including Carl not dying because, honestly, it works better if he lives.


Act I - A New Hope


In Act I/Episode 1, Rick's group musters their forces. They are grim-faced and determined. No silly motivational speeches. They know what bloody business has to be done.

They go over the plan: Rick and his group will head to the Sanctuary. Ezekiel will head to the Satellite outpost. Aaron will lead the forces in an assault at the other outpost. Daryl and his team will lead the horde to the Sanctuary.

Off they go. They take out some scouts along the way, then show up at the Sanctuary. In a surprise twist, the Trash People show up having received Rick's offer off-screen. A tiny bit of exposition reveals this. Everyone has amassed to take down the Saviors.

(Oceanside doesn't show up this season at all in my version because let's face it: All that time spent with Aaron and Enid trying to convince them to help so they could show up and throw Molotov cocktails at the Saviors at Hilltop was a monumental waste.)

Instead of being close up, however, Rick is only able to get outside the fences. It's a long shot and when he takes it, he misses Negan. Negan's people fire back. There's a clear sense of what's going on rather than just shooting at the windows and then the truck breaks through and the zombies poor into the compound. Success!

During this same episode we see the other attacks going on. These are largely successful except the Kingdom's group is slaughtered by a machine gun. Carol takes out the gun and the guys shooting it with a grenade or dynamite or something. She, Jerry and Ezekiel make their way back to the Kingdom and the tiger gets killed by zombies on the way.

Over at the third compound, Eric is killed during the fight but the good guys win. They find the baby and Aaron brings it back to Maggie at the Hilltop. Dwight is still stuck in the Sanctuary as is Eugene but we can just leave Gabriel back at the Hilltop. Gregory is also still at the Sanctuary.


Act II - The Saviors Strike Back


This episode opens to Carl finding Siddiq and deciding to bring him back. He's not bitten along the way. When he gets back he sees all the wounded from the battle and he thinks about his life and instead of writing letters, he calls Negan on the radio and tells him he needs to make peace. Asks him to stop fighting. Then he goes and tells his dad the same thing.

But Negan doesn't listen and neither does Rick (yet.) The war is still on.

Oddly enough, about the same time Carl is telling his dad that he needs to make peace, a mysterious trio arrives at Hilltop. They give Maggie valuable information about how to build stuff and grow crops and make medicine. All they want in return is Gregory's record collection.

The Saviors are getting low on bullets because most of their stores of ammo were at the third outpost, and this is why Rick's group has a bunch of bullets still, because they captured that outpost and found the ammunition stores.


Eugene reveals that he can make bullets out of all the empty casings they have. He also says he can get them out of this mess with the zombies, and he creates the little drone/stereo thing. Dwight doesn't try to stop him in this version and Eugene's ploy works. The zombies are lured away and Negan begins planning their assault while Eugene and a team of Saviors start making bullets.

Dwight listens in and then instructs Gregory to take the plans back to Hilltop. Gregory goes along with it, but Negan finds out about Dwight. Maybe someone (Laura?) hears him telling Gregory what to do and rats him out. Either way, Dwight is discovered and his plan to help Rick's group turns into an opportunity for Negan to lay his trap.

The Saviors only have enough bullets and soldiers left to retaliate against the Kingdom, the Trash People and Alexandria. So Negan sends Simon to deal with the Trash People, telling him to get their guns and kill one of them only, and sends Gavin to attack the Kingdom and capture Ezekiel. Negan goes to Alexandria and firebombs it. Rick and his group escape to Hilltop with the help of Carl who distracts Negan long enough for everyone to hide in the sewers.

The Kingdom is stormed and Ezekiel is captured and taken back to the Sanctuary. Simon freaks out and kills all the Trash People except for Jadis who hides and survives. Only Hilltop is safe. Dwight is taken prisoner by Negan and thrown in a cell with Ezekiel. Eugene is making bullets.


Act III - The Return Of The...Survivors


So the Kingdom has been hobbled. Carol gets to Hilltop at the same time as Rick and his crew and they read over the stolen plans that Gregory brought them. Carol let's them know that Ezekiel's been taken prisoner. Not long after they arrive, Jadis shows up and tells them what happened to her people, demanding justice.

Rick radios Negan and tells him that there will never be peace because he can't be trusted. Just look at what he did to the Trash People. This clues Negan into Simon's treachery and he goes down, and instead of fighting him he just bashes his head in with Lucille. This avoids the silly fight the two had (where Simon really ought to have won.)

Negan is angry now, and he's fed up with dealing with Rick. "Fine, you want a war. I'll give you a war." He's done playing nice with Rick. He's been betrayed by Simon and Dwight. He's ready to put an end to this. When Eugene hears this he decides to start tampering with the bullets. (But not all of the bullets. Just enough to mess up the assault and give Rick a better chance.)


A day or two of preparation passes. Ezekiel is in bad shape. Dwight is in bad shape.

The time comes to go fight. According to the plans Dwight smuggled them (fake plans, of course) the day has come when Negan will be out on the road, ready to ambush. They think they know where he'll be. But it's a trap, of course, and the date was only chosen so Eugene could make enough bullets.



Negan boasts about his own plans and the ambush he has made to Eugene and to the prisoners, Dwight and Ezekiel. They show up to the ambush spot and when Rick arrives they attack. Some of the guns fire fine, but others---including Negan's handgun---backfire. He can't shoot Ezekiel or Dwight so he grabs his bat and takes a swing, but Eugene throws himself in front of the attack and gets smashed in the head. He hits the dirt. Negan is about to take another swing when he's shot. Rick hits him in the leg or the arm or something. Nothing too serious, but enough to make him stop.

Then Negan runs. The battle isn't going well. It's not the silly line of dominoes we saw in the finale, but a lot of the Saviors' guns have backfired. Those who haven't are outgunned by Rick's people. The ambush in tatters, Negan tries to make good his escape but Rick chases after him.


Negan is limping from the gunshot wound so Rick is able to chase him down easily. He flings himself at the fleeing Savior boss, tackling him to the ground. They fight, but Rick isn't wounded and Negan is. Soon he has Negan on his back and he's punching him over and over and over again. Negan's face is bloody. We hear the crunching sounds of bones breaking. Think Jon Snow vs. Ramsay Bolton here right after the Battle of the Bastards. Rick is going to kill him. He looks over, sees Lucille lying there, and grabs it.



"Dad, no!" It's Carl. He's standing there, a pleading look on his face. The Saviors have surrendered and everyone is just standing there watching silently. There are many wounded. (If I had it my way there would be quite a few dead, like Gabriel and Eugene, but we'll just say there's many wounded.) Everyone is staring at Rick. His fists are bloody. Blood is in his eyes and his hair and speckled across his face. He's holding Lucille up as if he's going to strike. He has a pained look on his face.

Carl walks over and takes the bat from his father's hands. "There has to be something after all this," he says. "Something better." Rick lets the bat go. He seems deflated.

Then Negan starts laughing, bloodied, his jaw broken, his eyes swollen, but laughing anyways. "You got one helluva kid, Rick," he says through bloody lips. Rick turns, that cold killer look flickering across his face, and then he hits him, hard, and Negan is out. "Take him back to the Hilltop," Rick tells his people. He gives a short and sweet speech about everyone living together now. "Negan is done," he says. "It's time to start over. Do this better."


Maggie looks angry but isn't freaking out. She's not stupid. Later, instead of recruiting Jesus (seriously Jesus?) and Daryl to her cause of...opposing Rick and killing Negan, I guess?---instead of that, she just stares down from the mansion's window, a dark look on her face as Rick and crew drag Negan to his cell. Ominous music plays. She looks over to her left and there's Rosita, an equally dark look on her face. They say nothing. We think of Abraham and Glenn, dead in the dirt. Brains and bits of skull.

We're left wondering what they're thinking.

Dwight is free, and Daryl let's him go look for Sherry. Siddiq and Carl help bandage up the wounded. Peace descends upon the valley.

The End.

Filler

What do we miss cutting out all the rest? We lose Oceanside. We lose the scenes with Gabriel and Negan. We lose a bunch of Eugene dialog. We lose Rick going to recruit Jadis since that's handled off-screen before the season even begins. We lose Carl's death.


We lose almost nothing, is what I'm trying to say. Virtually nothing is missing from my three episode version. Instead we get:

An opening episode with lots of coherent action that puts the Saviors in a bind.
A second episode where Saviors strike back, finding out that Dwight betrayed them, capturing the King and hobbling the Kingdom and Alexandria. We're now poised for a final showdown.
A final episode with a big battle where Eugene's double-betrayal leads to Rick's victory, and where Carl's intervention saves Negan's life rather than Carl's death eight episodes earlier. We get a much more dramatic final scene between Rick and Negan and no silly throat-cutting fake-out. And we get some small sense that all is not well with our heroes, that Maggie is upset and who knows what she's thinking? Rick makes the right choice thanks to Carl and Carl is alive.
Final shot: The camera lifts up from the scene at Hilltop, up up up into the air. Happy music playing. A scene of togetherness and beauty below us. But as we pull up higher we see them: The biggest horde of walkers we've ever seen, heading this way. Cue the theme music. Cut to black.
And that's how it's done, folks.

Morgan could still leave. Simon is still dead. We could easily add in other character deaths. Have Eugene die saving Ezekiel. Have Tara get killed in the second episode fighting for Alexandria. Have Gabriel die in the final fight or just in a zombie attack. There are plenty of ways to thin the herd.

The point is, all the most important story beats are contained in my three episodes above. We've trimmed the fat. The boring speeches are gone. The whole silly storyline with Henry is gone. Morgan's madness could still shine through in some of these moments, but it wouldn't have to be such a large focus. Oceanside is gone and if they need to they can return next season now that Negan has been toppled and Simon, the guy who actually slaughtered their people, is dead.

Basically any important little details not in my summaries above could easily be added or shuffled over to the next season.

And this is the problem with The Walking Dead. It's so much filler. So much bad dialogue. So many pointless episodes. How many battles did we watch that led to nothing? No meaningful outcomes. Why do we need to see Rick fail at killing Negan so many times? Why do we need to see the same conversations play out over and over again? Just figure out the story you want to tell and tell it in the best way possible.


Sure, you could expand this to a full eight episodes and probably be fine, so long as you added in some other driving conflicts beyond 'All Out War.' For instance, an interesting conflict could have blossomed between Rick and Daryl. Rick wants to be more merciful; Daryl wants more blood. Maybe Maggie supports Daryl while Carol supports Rick. Factions form and different philosophies crash into one another, sparking new conflicts between the group. The same thing is essentially taking place between Negan and Simon.

The point is not that this season needed to be three episodes long. The point is that only three episodes worth of decent content took place across sixteen episodes, and that's a massive problem. There's room for episodes that don't have a lot happen. I'm fine with learning backstory. I'd love to see more world-building episodes, where we see the group just trying to survive. Where we see them jarring food and tilling soil and all the rest.

But right now we have too much bloat. The cast is too big. The seasons are too long. I'd love to see ten-episode seasons, but even if AMC decided to keep the longer seasons they should at the very least model them after a show like Gotham which often wraps up an initial conflict by the midseason finale which then feeds into a second, often more dire, conflict in the second half.

P.S. I'd also love to see Enid go. She's so pointless. But even better than that, it would be cool if we discovered she'd been a spy the whole time. She sure seemed like she was going to be a spy for the Wolves. What if she'd actually been a spy for the Saviors? Or what if she's in the same mysterious group that Jadis is in? And yes, we'd need a glimpse of the chopper in there somewhere. Maybe after Simon's mass slaughter of the Trash People, Jadis looks up and sees the helicopter flying by. She tries to signal it but it's too late.

@Mock

[Natalie.]

I hope Dwight comes back
Guess he's going where he and Sherry had their honeymoon?

[Jordan.]

I'm hoping Dwight gets his own side story next series :worry:

[Niamh.]

Yeah would like to see what's happens with him

[Babayaro.]

Who else cringed at Oceanside's very brief and anticlimactic appearance lol?

[Ant.]

Who else cringed at Oceanside's very brief and anticlimactic appearance lol?

I liked it bc I like Oceanside but they were on screen for 2 seconds and they just were... irrelevant. What was the point of the Hilltop attack

[Ammi]

..it was a good last episode of the season...but it did feel for me as though it could have ended there..with Dwight going off to see if his wife was still alive, with Negan being imprisoned and all of the groups working together etc...obviously other than Maggie, Jesus and Daryl in their intentions to overthrow Rick...

..I had a feeling Eugene had done something with the bullets and was never on board with Negan but working against him...although I enjoyed the last few episodes a lot more, I’m not sure if I’ll stay with it for the next season...sometimes it’s felt a bit of a chore to watch and keep following...

[Firewire]

Whisky Cavalier has been ordered to series by ABC with Lauren Cohan in the co-lead role

http://tvline.com/2018/05/11/whiskey-cavalier-abc-scott-foley-series-order/

Season 9 will probably be Maggie's last

[Firewire]

Andy Lincoln is leaving

http://collider.com/andrew-lincoln-leaving-walking-dead-season-9

[Babayaro.]

Daryl taking over is tragic

[Firewire]

Also Lauren Cohan is only going to be in 6 episodes of the season

[Amy Jade]

The show is dying

[reece(:]

End it and let FTWD takeover

[Brother Leon]

Andy Lincoln is leaving

http://collider.com/andrew-lincoln-leaving-walking-dead-season-9


That’s the show done for then. They really should just end it when he leaves tbh.

[Lostie!]

She's dead! SHE'S DEAD!!!!!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/06/article-1167995-04520AA6000005DC-872_468x362.jpg

[Jordan.]

Omg Maggie really is about to snatch Rick then ride off into the sunset with ha baby, we love a vengeful legend :flutter:

[Ant.]

She's dead! SHE'S DEAD!!!!!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/06/article-1167995-04520AA6000005DC-872_468x362.jpg

:laugh2:

[Ant.]

a scream @ the fact Andy's leaving

Carl's death did that?

Cant wait for season 10 to just be Daryl Dixon rocking round crying bc he got Judith killed or some ****

[Cal.]

She's dead! SHE'S DEAD!!!!!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/06/article-1167995-04520AA6000005DC-872_468x362.jpg

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

[Josy]

Read on TWD instagram that Daryl will be taking over as lead character, as much as I have loved Daryl throughout i just cant see that working out at all, Norman isnt a lead character type of actor IMO as well as the character not fitting as a leader, Daryls supposed to be the gritty, rough side kick sort of character :think:

[Nicky91]

Omg Maggie really is about to snatch Rick then ride off into the sunset with ha baby, we love a vengeful legend :flutter:

i couldn't live being in her group, psychotic bitch has no right to come after Rick, he has seen the light now that killing isn't a option anymore

[Firewire]

Someone hold Lostie and Niamh... Jon Bernthal is back

https://tvline.com/2018/06/18/jon-bernthal-the-walking-dead-season-9-shane-returning/

[Lostie!]

Someone hold Lostie and Niamh... Jon Bernthal is back

https://tvline.com/2018/06/18/jon-bernthal-the-walking-dead-season-9-shane-returning/

https://i.imgur.com/5gvC0OM.gif

[Brother Leon]

Great news. Probably some flashback or hallucinations for Rick’s farewell. Should be good.

[Ant.]

Someone hold Lostie and Niamh... Jon Bernthal is back

https://tvline.com/2018/06/18/jon-bernthal-the-walking-dead-season-9-shane-returning/

Not Rick's dying moments to be tainted with "LETMETELLYOUSUMTHINRECK"

[Barry.]

Rick is leaving? Sucks.

[Jordan.]

Someone hold Lostie and Niamh... Jon Bernthal is back

https://tvline.com/2018/06/18/jon-bernthal-the-walking-dead-season-9-shane-returning/

Bring him back full time, lets pretend it was all a dream

[Cal.]

Bring him back full time, lets pretend it was all a dream

.

Shane is one of their best characters, if not the best after our Andrea.

[Ant.]

tbh I just thought about the dichotomy of Rick and Shane and I honestly think it'd be nice if Rick sorta hallucinates Shane? And Shane sorta evaluates Rick's actions and progress. I don't think Shane would agree with Rick keeping the man who beat Glenn to death alive (since that's the only action of Negan's that would affect Shane to a degree), nor would he be fine with the fact he 'couldn't protect' Lori or Carl. Would certainly make for an interesting few scenes.

Of course we can't forget the fact Judith's biological dad is Shane. It'd only make sense for us to get some scenes between the two of them :flutter:

[Natalie.]

Bring him back full time, lets pretend it was all a dream

Yeah, I agree :clap1:

[user104658]

:facepalm: Should just have ended the show where it is now. Yes, a lot of season 8 was daft and... well... just badly made. But the finale was actually OK and if you cut out the scene with Maggie / Jesus / Daryl plotting for next season, and take out the couple of "helicopter teasers" (or explain what it was, and make it a friendly other community) then the show could quite comfortably have ended with the S8 finale.

Negan is locked up, the remaining Saviours have agreed to live in peace, Alexandria / Hilltop / Kingdom are building themselves up to be something bigger, everyone is working together to survive now and build a new world...

Carl's death means something because Rick learned that there's a better way and spared Negan and the Saviours who surrendered.

Eugene was redeemed.

Daryl let go of his obsession with killing Dwight and let him go.

Carol saved that annoying little kid and seemed to finally be coming to terms with Sophia's death.

Dwight discovered that his wife is still alive after all and has gone off to find her.

Morgan left the group (for FTWD).

Gabriel's faith was restored because he can now believe that it was "god's plan" for him to be at the ammunition factory and get through to Eugene.

Even Jadis went back to using her real name and went to join a community!

Literally swap the "angry Maggie" scene for a scene that shows her, maybe, at Glenn's grave starting to move on... and the show is totally wrapped up :think:. It would be one of the most "complete" finales in years!

[Ant.]

spoilers for season 9 under the cut ( :umm2: ):
We'll see a timeskip of 12-18 months in the first episode, and by episode 5/6, we see ANOTHER time skip of 5/6 years :umm2:.
Also Rick either disappears or dies ep 5

the source is The Spoiling Dead Fans :p I'd post the links but you need to be a member to view stuff (its free to become one)

[Nicky91]

Negan to become a good guy then and replace Rick :fc:

[Ant.]

yz9LVrhEU4c

"Wheeerreee areee they?"

Wow we're getting the Whisperers THAT quick huh

[Lostie!]

yz9LVrhEU4c

"Wheeerreee areee they?"

Wow we're getting the Whisperers THAT quick huh

Okay that final part has me excited for this show for the first time in ages. I didn't even notice the "where are they" at first. :flutter:

I just read Samantha Morton has been cast! as Alpha :amazed:

I'm honestly really excited that The Whisperers are actually happening after all the talk of them being skipped. I've been waiting for them ever since I first started reading up on them

[Ammi]

yz9LVrhEU4c

"Wheeerreee areee they?"

Wow we're getting the Whisperers THAT quick huh

...it’s funny how Rick has now become THAT PERSON...:laugh:....that person that he’s always been sceptical and cynical about and wary of...in that focusing on a community of law and order etc, being what is needed to survive...something he’s always felt as being unrealistic...he might not have the sadistic qualities of Negan or the cruelty and ruthlessness of the Governor...but it seems he’s essentially becoming them, well more like them...and maybe Negan is becoming more Rick...with more a view of...nope, I tried that as well as ‘the way’ and it all went a bit screwed, look at me now, you have it all wrong, Rick...their ‘control’ might be completely different in the methods because of their differences as people...but it still feels a bit like they’re trading places in their ideology...quite interesting really in the psychology of...I’m not sure if it’ll be interesting enough to sustain interest for me though and Rick in his crisp, starched clean sheriff clothing just feels a bit weird as we’ve seen him develop from sheriff and law and order to survival and unshaven and crumpled../..bloodstained etc...yeah it’s just weird...

[Samm]

yeah at this point they really need to change it up, the time skips and killing some cast members is needed the only characters I like now are maggie and carol since michonne became chained to rick, the only part that excited me was the "where are they" part

[Brother Leon]

Looks like next season will focus on The Whisperers. I just can’t get hype though knowing Rick’s fate.

[Babayaro.]

One thing I can't stand about TV this day and age, is that it's impossible to avoid spoilers and the fact the actual people in charge of the shows tell viewers which cast members will be leaving/killed off. Like, Rick dying/leaving should be a huge deal but by the time it happens no one will care all that much.

[user104658]

One thing I can't stand about TV this day and age, is that it's impossible to avoid spoilers and the fact the actual people in charge of the shows tell viewers which cast members will be leaving/killed off. Like, Rick dying/leaving should be a huge deal but by the time it happens no one will care all that much.

Just become like me and develop some sort of terrifying memory problem...

...like when I was watching The 100 and a major character died and it caught me totally off guard, made it a great episode for me, so emotional. I post about it on the thread. Then Lostie! quotes me in a post from 9 months earlier where I'm talking about knowing and being disappointed that the actor is leaving. :umm2: WOT.

So by next November I'll probably have no idea that Rick is leaving :hee:.

[user104658]

Overall I think it actually looks like it may be a major improvement on the last two seasons... and when it comes right down to it... I *do* think it's time for Rick to go. I'm hoping he isn't killed off, I'm hoping that he simply moves on. His character arc is basically complete.

But I actually hope a bunch of old characters go with him :umm2:... It's time for Michonne and Daryl to go too, at least, but they'll never get rid of Daryl until he quits. It's not that I don't like the characters - it's just time for new blood / to move on. Keep some core supporting cast to usher in a new main cast. Carol should always stay :hee:, and I'd keep Gabriel and bring some of the newer ones into more prominent roles (Jesus for example has been massively under-used compared to his role in the comics). Have Negan come over to the "good guys" for a while for a quick redemption arc, then kill him off.

I think the show can still work but the characters are entrenched and clad in "plot armour" - there's no real sense of risk or danger - which has sort of killed the whole show.

Overall though, I'm willing to give it another shot next season, because the final two or three episodes of S8 while far from perfect were a dramatic improvement over the rest of the season. Before those I was almost ready to bail... and we had stopped watching week-to-week around 5 episodes from the end... but then binged them one day when we were both off work and the kids were at school :joker:.

[Lostie!]

Just become like me and develop some sort of terrifying memory problem...

...like when I was watching The 100 and a major character died and it caught me totally off guard, made it a great episode for me, so emotional. I post about it on the thread. Then Lostie! quotes me in a post from 9 months earlier where I'm talking about knowing and being disappointed that the actor is leaving. :umm2: WOT.

So by next November I'll probably have no idea that Rick is leaving :hee:.

:joker:

[Strictly Jake]

Ahhhhhh this trailer was amazing!! I wouldnt have noticed the "where are they" If it hadnt been mentioned when i watched it back it really creeped me out. Hoping for more zombie action this time around the whole negan thing was irritating

[Nicky91]

if this turns into a ''pro-maggie show'' i am done with the walking dead :mad:


not that i am against Lauren Cohan, but i find her character Maggie nothing special

[Cal.]

Some spoilers I've picked up:

Rick either dies or makes it out alive in an open ended resolution when taking on a herd of walkers.
Carol and Ezekiel get married in either episode 6 or 7.
Jesus dies later on in the season.
Aaron loses an arm this season.

[Strictly Jake]

18 sleeps to go...

[user104658]

SHould I pick up FTWD again? :think:. I figured out that the last episode I watched was S2 Ep9 (it ends with the hotel thing they find being overrun with zombies while Strand and the blonde woman are wasted on whiskey) so I've downloaded every episode from then but I dunno if I should commit.

[Strictly Jake]

I watched the first season of fear on E4. Have to say i loved it! But i was hoping they would show the second series straight after but cant see it in the schedules

[Strictly Jake]

Oh and also 17 sleepz to go...

[Strictly Jake]

1 week to go!!! Anyone else excited?

[Nicky91]

yes i am excited, gonna be fun to see some familiar faces in season 9 for me personally

Nadia Hilker, Zach McGowan :love:

[Ammi]

SHould I pick up FTWD again? :think:. I figured out that the last episode I watched was S2 Ep9 (it ends with the hotel thing they find being overrun with zombies while Strand and the blonde woman are wasted on whiskey) so I've downloaded every episode from then but I dunno if I should commit.

..yeah I would say it’s worth the commitment...from when you last saw it..?..it hadn’t really got going yet in terms of character development...and for me it’s become much more interesting than TWD..it being seri in Mexico being very relevant as well to some of the significant storylines...and what would become the ‘currency of power’ there....

[Ant.]

Some spoilers I've picked up:

Rick either dies or makes it out alive in an open ended resolution when taking on a herd of walkers.
Carol and Ezekiel get married in either episode 6 or 7.
Jesus dies later on in the season.
Aaron loses an arm this season.


response to said spoilers (also a new spoiler):

I saw the Jesus spoilers

I wouldn't mind as much as I do if it wasn't for the fact Jesus ****ing dies of a STAB WOUND of all things

so ****ing uneventful

[Lostie!]

response to said spoilers (also a new spoiler):

I saw the Jesus spoilers

I wouldn't mind as much as I do if it wasn't for the fact Jesus ****ing dies of a STAB WOUND of all things

so ****ing uneventful

Tbf how it happens sounds really cool with him going to kill a walker (actually a Whisperer) and it dodging and stabbing him

[Ant.]

Tbf how it happens sounds really cool with him going to kill a walker (actually a Whisperer) and it dodging and stabbing him

Oh is that it?

What I read is simply that he gets into a scuffle with a Whisperer and dies, as in he and we know they're a whisperer, and the Whisperer is quick moving and acting 'human' in the fight. It'll be interesting to see a 'walker' turning just swiftly dodging and killing someone... just wish it wasn't Jesus dying :( he's been somewhat underused imo

[Strictly Jake]

I refuse to read spoilers

Walking dead to return in just over 21 hours!!

[Nicky91]

tomorrow for me the walking dead, due to FOX's new schedule here :notimpressed: football after talkshow goes first i guess

monday footie talkshow

tuesday the walking dead

[Strictly Jake]

Aww poor you nicky!

I can't wait to watch it in 4 hours!! Just hoping it's better than the last series. The whole negan thing was tedious so don't want too much of that this time i hope the gang venture out a bit more, it look as though they do which is a good sign, and I want a shed load of zombies this time!!

[Cal.]

This is my top 10 spurred on by a convo with Our Marc?

1. Andrea
2. Rosita
3. Shane
4. Maggie
5. Merle
6. Lori
7. Carol
8. Beth
9. Michonne
10. Rick

[Babayaro.]

I guess this is mine?

#1. Rick
#2. Carol
#3. Glenn
#4. Maggie
#5. Shane
-------------------
#6. Morgan
#7. The Governor
#8. Michonne
#9. Carl
#10. Hershel

[Nicky91]

good first episode of season 9, many zombie action again, which is what i had also missed the last season, introduction of Zach McGowan's character Justin, and also the end of Gregory, Maggie OMG :o and i liked the Carol/Daryl scene if anyone deserves to be happy it's you Carol :love: Ezekiel proposing to Carol aw

[Strictly Jake]

Forgot to post on this thread. Loved Mondays episode it felt like it had gone very much back to the place we all missed it was pretty great

[Nicky91]

Forgot to post on this thread. Loved Mondays episode it felt like it had gone very much back to the place we all missed it was pretty great

a lot more zombie action in this one first ep than last season, i also liked Siddiq and laughed when he was scared of the spider and not the walker :laugh:

[Babayaro.]

Was disappointed by it tbh. There's just too many characters that no one cares about. The sooner The Whisperers arrive, the better.

[Jase.]

Going to Walker Stalker again in March. I'll probably take the plunge and pay to get a pic with JDM. I hope Frank Dillane and Kim Dickens will be there since they won't be filming for Fear!

[Nicky91]

Was disappointed by it tbh. There's just too many characters that no one cares about. The sooner The Whisperers arrive, the better.

they were already mentioned on telltale the walking dead final season, by a character there James, a former member of the whisperers, they have really good tactics of getting into dead human skin and communicating with walkers, leading them with the usage of throwing rocks in areas you want the walkers to go to, so yeah i am excited potentially getting to see this on the show

[Nicky91]

Episode 2: Negan will appear here for the first time from his jail cell

it seemed he was giving advice to someone :think:

[Babayaro.]

And they better not try and redeem Negan. I want him to be an even bigger bastard than before.

[Nicky91]

And they better not try and redeem Negan. I want him to be an even bigger bastard than before.

he can back Anne's story up about the helicopter what they saw at the junkyard, and i think Georgie is also someone who you cannot trust, or at least that were my initial thoughts when i first saw her near the end of last season

[Nicky91]

liked episode 2, nice to see the communities re-building everything again, poor Aaron lost his arm, after a log fell on him and Enid had to cut his arm off to save his life, someone is kidnapping the saviours one by one, it could be Magna and her group or the whisperers :think: Negan screen time, nice bit of a darker character he has become now ''you're not saving the world rick, you're just getting it ready for me'' oh and Anne (Jadis) & Gabriel have started a little romance now

[Niamh.]

And they better not try and redeem Negan. I want him to be an even bigger bastard than before.

I can't believe he's still in it and still alive ffs, he was the worst, most annoying villain they've had so far.

I've enjoyed the first two episodes

[Strictly Jake]

So far this series has been fantastic! I love when the whole group are together it's when they all get separated into small groups that it gets irritating. But we all know that's gonna happen pretty soon most likely

[Babayaro.]

Daryl has been much better this season

[Strictly Jake]

What an amazing episode last night. Absolutely loving this series so far. Can't believe the next two episodes are Rick grimes final ones!!

[Nicky91]

episode 3, posting in spoilers just not to spoil for those who haven't seen it yet

i quite liked this episode, Rick family time with Michonne and Judith was quite lovely :flutter: i am more team rick about the saviours now, people are resources, you need everyone in the battle with the walkers, Maggie, Daryl and Oceanside are broken people, and they still live in the past, while the past should remain in the past, Maggie & Daryl going after Negan for the next ep got me like, omg this will put her immediately head to head against Rick and his group, Arat getting killed well i wouldn't have killed her, she got her punishment by begging for her life, feeling scared, now Maggie and Oceanside are just the same executioner as Negan was to Glenn and Abraham, why mention Sasha is ridiculous cause she committed suicide with help of Eugene

[Babayaro.]

Another solid episode :clap1:


Daryl and Maggie have both been great this season and I'm glad they didn't stop Oceanside killing Arat.

[Ant.]

MAJOR spoilers for next week's episode below
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you and I both know a key character is leaving this episode, right? So you can expect what you're about to see
here we go
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I mean, there was never gonna be a perfect/'best' way to kill Rick off. but REALLY?

[Nicky91]

i'm watching this week's episode tonight

[Strictly Jake]

This series is blowing me away it's spectacular! Every episode I am hooked. Looking forward to next week visually it looks stunning but I'm also gonna cry for definite

[Nicky91]

nice episode, Negan & Michonne scenes were quite lovely, and yes i agree with Negan that Michonne can be so much more than she is now, a better leader than Maggie for example will ever be, and i checked on TWD wikia page, and Negan is still in the cast list after Rick and Maggie are out of the cast list, i can see a redemption arc happening for him, especially now he had time to think of his sins in that jail cell by himself, and they will need a strong leader like him against what's coming, with the whisperers

[Strictly Jake]

nice episode, Negan & Michonne scenes were quite lovely, and yes i agree with Negan that Michonne can be so much more than she is now, a better leader than Maggie for example will ever be, and i checked on TWD wikia page, and Negan is still in the cast list after Rick and Maggie are out of the cast list, i can see a redemption arc happening for him, especially now he had time to think of his sins in that jail cell by himself, and they will need a strong leader like him against what's coming, with the whisperers

I didn't really get the negan and michonne bits because I don't see any similarity between them, there is potential for her to become like him because of being distraught about Rick but in my opinion I would have liked it to have been negan and Maggie having these discussions as personally I think Maggie is more similar to him than michonne is

Really want to know what jadis is up to though, hovering a once rich zombie(the pearls implied she was wealthy this coild be quite an important person they want to keep feeding) above gabriel was gross

[Niamh.]

And they better not try and redeem Negan. I want him to be an even bigger bastard than before.

I want him dead, ****ing hell, he's been in it far too long and he's the worst most annoying villain they've had

[Nicky91]

I want him dead, ****ing hell, he's been in it far too long and he's the worst most annoying villain they've had

i don't really see him as a villain, compared to the more sadistic character what the governor was


Negan, well he just tried to survive his way with the saviours, lost his wife to cancer, he even said in last night's ep, glad she didn't have to see me like this, so this means Negan wasn't Always a bad person, and now he had time to think about what he had done, i do think his wife was called Lucille, given he named his baseball bat that, and he wants to see that baseball bat again

[Niamh.]

i don't really see him as a villain, compared to the more sadistic character what the governor was


Negan, well he just tried to survive his way with the saviours, lost his wife to cancer, he even said in last night's ep, glad she didn't have to see me like this, so this means Negan wasn't Always a bad person, and now he had time to think about what he had done, i do think his wife was called Lucille, given he named his baseball bat that, and he wants to see that baseball bat again

Negan was way more sadistic than the governor, are you kidding me? :/

[Strictly Jake]

Negan was way more sadistic than the governor, are you kidding me? :/

Yeah he is defo worse than the governor. In fact part of me felt sorry for the governor with how he kept his zombie daughter alive it felt really sad, so I had an ounce of empathy for him. Whereas I hate negan he is really evil plus he ruined 2 series of the show! But I actually love jeffrey who plays him he is incredible

[Nicky91]

Yeah he is defo worse than the governor. In fact part of me felt sorry for the governor with how he kept his zombie daughter alive it felt really sad, so I had an ounce of empathy for him. Whereas I hate negan he is really evil plus he ruined 2 series of the show! But I actually love jeffrey who plays him he is incredible

yeah, he is good friends with Norman Reedus (who plays Daryl) for example

and i thought he also was great in Rampage :flutter: