Oxford Council to Fine Homeless in Doorways - Fire Risk

[arista]

In Today Times Paper
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£100 on the spot Fine
£1,500
or
Prison and soon G4S Prison


I back this

[Livia]

I don't back this. Where do they think homeless people are going to find money to pay a fine? Monumental waste of resources that could be put towards helping homeless people have a better future and a bit of stability.

Fire risk my arse.

[arista]

I don't back this. Where do they think homeless people are going to find money to pay a fine? Monumental waste of resources that could be put towards helping homeless people have a better future and a bit of stability.

Fire risk my arse.


You are Wrong
They Leave their Bedding in a Shop inlet and walk off to find a Bog or free food.
100% FIRE RISK



SO Stop being SILLY, please
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Life In The City

[lewis111]

Hopefully they will use this money to actually house these people
I hate how the homeless are just treated like stray animals

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hopefully they will use this money to actually house these people
I hate how the homeless are just treated like stray animals

House them in what, I doubt in their current state many could maintain a home?

[arista]

House them in what, I doubt in their current state many could maintain a home?


LT they refuse HOUSING




Frontline WW3
for them


Sign Of The Times

[Livia]

You are Wrong
They Leave their Bedding in a Shop inlet and walk off to find a Bog or free food.
100% FIRE RISK



SO Stop being SILLY, please
buy The Times paper today


Life In The City

Firstly, don't SHOUT at me arista. And secondly... don't call me silly or I'll hunt you down and slap you around.

[Wizard.]

Erm they aren't going to afford the fines which means they'll go to prison which costs money = money the could be using to tackle the homelessness problem! It's not common sense.

[Livia]

I'm with Riley on this. The homelessness problem shames our whole country. Making them into criminals on top of everything else is madness.

[bots]

Don't see how a sleeping bag on a wet pavement is a fire risk personally.

[joeysteele]

I'm with Riley on this. The homelessness problem shames our whole country. Making them into criminals on top of everything else is madness.

I agree Livia with every word you have said on this.
Riley too.

This idea is plain crazy.

[Tom4784]

Honestly one of the dumbest things I've read in a long while. It's essentially fining people for being homeless.

It's stupid, callous and cruel.

[user104658]

£1500 :joker:. I mean there's a chance that a VERY small number will have £100 cash on them, occasionally... but the £1500 figure is genuinely hilarious. Most NON-homeless people couldn't afford to pay a £1500 fine :think:.

[VanessaFeltz.]

YIKES if they had 1.5k they wouldnt sleep outside anyways...

Also stop being so self centered and heartless for once. Just because you were more fortunate in life doesnt mean you get to make calls about other people

[arista]

YIKES if they had 1.5k they wouldnt sleep outside anyways...

Also stop being so self centered and heartless for once. Just because you were more fortunate in life doesnt mean you get to make calls about other people


I was not
I worked from Ground Level
to Manager

These Junkies
need to be Removed
Health and Safety
Fact

[arista]

£1500 :joker:. I mean there's a chance that a VERY small number will have £100 cash on them, occasionally... but the £1500 figure is genuinely hilarious. Most NON-homeless people couldn't afford to pay a £1500 fine :think:.


Yes so they will end up in a new G4S Tech Prison
making products
so the Junkie Prisoner can earn a dinner voucher


Life In The City

[arista]

Honestly one of the dumbest things I've read in a long while. It's essentially fining people for being homeless.

It's stupid, callous and cruel.


They are Finned
because they leave their bedding
in door ways

100% FIRE RISK#


Dezzy it has worked in other towns
these Junkies MOVE ON


Future Plans
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294081

[Kizzy]

It doesn't shame the country, it shames the government. This is just another example of the cull, social cleansing in progress.

[Livia]

No, this has nothing to do with the government. It's a decision that's been made by Oxford City Council... a LABOUR controlled council. So much for all-inclusiveness.

[Wizard.]

It doesn't shame the country, it shames the government. This is just another example of the cull, social cleansing in progress.

No, this has nothing to do with the government. It's a decision that's been made by Oxford City Council... a LABOUR controlled council. So much for all-inclusiveness.

oops

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:

[smudgie]

Put the energy and money wasted on this pathetic idea to other uses.
Cheaper and more logical to turn abandoned buildings into hostels for the homeless than paying to imprison these poor unfortunate people.
Whatever the reason people are made homeless they need help not persecution.

[Livia]

Put the energy and money wasted on this pathetic idea to other uses.
Cheaper and more logical to turn abandoned buildings into hostels for the homeless than paying to imprison these poor unfortunate people.
Whatever the reason people are made homeless they need help not persecution.

Quite right. No one should be on the street. I can't imagine what it must be like not to have a place where you can shut your door on the world.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the reality is that

1. they are a fire risk and the businesses complained

2. the council had to do something

3. this at least is something that they can do and it pleases the businesses and perhaps gives the police a good reason to shift them

4. business is more important than homeless people, probably a fact

[lewis111]

the reality is that

1. they are a fire risk and the businesses complained

2. the council had to do something

3. this at least is something that they can do and it pleases the businesses and perhaps gives the police a good reason to shift them

4. business is more important than homeless people, probably a fact

They are people - how can busnies be more important
You and I are no more important than they are either do you feel busniess is more important than you

[Crimson Dynamo]

They are people - how can busnies be more important
You and I are no more important than they are either do you feel busniess is more important than you

Local business is what stops people being homeless I guess

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/0BC9/production/_97071030_792bce89-8719-4b08-b80d-2e7c4aea4bea.jpghttps://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/66E1/production/_97073362_homeless2.jpghttps://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/59E9/production/_97071032_oxford.fine.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.oxford.gov.uk/info/20019/homelessness/366/report_concern_about_someone_sleeping_rough

no excuse for it and i would imagine its the lucrative aspect of the residents that attracts them?

[Cal.]

So sad we still have people without basic needs in this day and age. :(

[arista]

https://www.oxford.gov.uk/info/20019/homelessness/366/report_concern_about_someone_sleeping_rough

no excuse for it and i would imagine its the lucrative aspect of the residents that attracts them?

For Sure
LT

[Kizzy]

No, this has nothing to do with the government. It's a decision that's been made by Oxford City Council... a LABOUR controlled council. So much for all-inclusiveness.

This is everything to do with the government and the removal of funding and facilities such as Lucy Faithfull house homeless shelter in Oxford last year, this is not isolated in Oxford but is a national issue that is/has crippled every borough.

Need I remind you that prior to June Oxford had been held by the tories for 30yrs?
They were committed to criminalising homelessness,

''A petition urging Oxford City Council to scrap plans to ban rough sleeping in the city has gained 65,000 signatures.
The proposed Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) would ban certain anti-social activities in the city centre and fine those who breach the order.
Opponents say the PSPO would effectively criminalise homelessness and is an attempt by the council to "cover up" the city's housing crisis.''

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-32282822

What is the reason for the explosion in homelessness? Sometimes it helps to look at the bigger picture, no one council has any culpability here, nor is it a nationally shared shame, it is a central government funding failure issue. The shame is 100% theirs.

''Oxford continues to be one of the cities with the highest number of rough sleepers outside of London.
Numbers in the city last year rose from 11 in 2010 to 39''

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-oxfordshire-37790288/rise-in-oxford-s-rough-sleepers

[Kizzy]

https://www.oxford.gov.uk/info/20019/homelessness/366/report_concern_about_someone_sleeping_rough

no excuse for it and i would imagine its the lucrative aspect of the residents that attracts them?

Nothing to do with the welfare cap, bedroom tax or the hike in private rentals then?...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nothing to do with the welfare cap, bedroom tax or the hike in private rentals then?...

That is correct, nothing at all

[Kizzy]

That is correct, nothing at all

ok

[Livia]

Labour Council.

What does Jeremy say about it? That Oxford City Council plans to find the homeless? I expect he'll say it's the government's fault too.

[Kizzy]

Labour Council.

What does Jeremy say about it? That Oxford City Council plans to find the homeless? I expect he'll say it's the government's fault too.

Yes it's a Labour council I noted that the last time you posted it thanks.
What would I expect Jeremy to say about it other than it's a damning indictment of the current state of England under the tories that the vulnerable in Oxford to have nowhere to go?

What do you have to say on the issue of funding cuts?

[Livia]

Yes it's a Labour council I noted that the last time you posted it thanks.
What would I expect Jeremy to say about it other than it's a damning indictment of the current state of England under the tories that the vulnerable in Oxford to have nowhere to go?

What do you have to say on the issue of funding cuts?

If you want to talk about funding cuts start a thread. This is about Oxford City Council prosecuting homeless people.

The vulnerable have never had anywhere to go under any government. The last Labour government turned its back on them the same way the Tories have. But for a Labour council to victimise these people, to prosecute them and fine them, as if you could get blood out of a stone, actually shocked me. I may have expected it from the Tories, but a Labour council? So they can't afford to house people because of the cuts (and, of course, because social housing is being sold off and not replaced). Oxford City Council's answer is to prosecute and fine them? And you're still deflecting any blame from Labour?

You know, I'm always happy to speak out when the Tories do something despicable. But Labour supporters seem to be so blinkered, they'll try to justify anything they do.

[Kizzy]

I can debate anything I like if it relates to the context of the thread, which funding undoubtedly does.
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2017/07/25/15/oxford-city-council.jpg

Look at the date of the act, it's quite significant in your 'what did they do?' they didn't criminalise being homeless for a start.

Note how the notice is to nobody of nowhere...Is this enforceable?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/homeless-people-sleep-rough-doorway-fines-oxford-remove-possessions-2500-a7859246.html

[storybrooke]

I don't know where they are expecting the homeless people to find £1500

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't know where they are expecting the homeless people to find £1500

probably a weeks takings...