Trump: Transgender people 'can't serve' US army

[Firewire]

US President Donald Trump says transgender people cannot serve in "any capacity" in the military.
He tweeted that he had consulted with military experts and cited "tremendous medical costs and disruption".
The Obama administration decided last year to allow transgender people to serve openly in the military.
But earlier this month, Defence Secretary James Mattis agreed to a six-month delay in the recruitment of transgender people.
Some Republicans have voiced opposition to allowing transgender people to serve at all.
The independent Rand Corporation estimated in 2016 that 2,450 of the 1.2 million active-duty service members are transgender.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40729996

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[Greg!]

I am absolutely ****ing enraged by this. What does this achieve? What's the point? Donald Trump is an odious, disgusting VILE bully. Edit

[Greg!]

oh my god my blood is BOILING.

[Dominic]

Pooor US. Even that Hillary **** would have been better than this loser.

[Tom4784]

Meh, he won't be President by the end of the year anyway.

[letmein]

Trying to cause another distraction to shift attention away from all his scandals and crime-ridden cabinet.

[lewis111]

Why are people not more bothered by this
It's ridiculous and clear discrimination
This man clearly does not care about Americans at all - we should've listened to
Kathy

[Cal.]

Scum.

[arista]

The Generals do not want them
Plus the Cost.


That Money is needed
for the troops on the frontline

[arista]

Scum.


He has met all the Generals
they do not want Trans in their way.


Sign Of The Times

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's what his supporters would want, including Raph from Big Brother

[arista]

Why are people not more bothered by this
It's ridiculous and clear discrimination
This man clearly does not care about Americans at all - we should've listened to
Kathy


Because there is not a large amount of them
wanting to be in Trumps Army with 8 years in power

[Crimson Dynamo]

After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military," Trump wrote in a series of Twitter posts.

"Our military must be focussed on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail," the Republican president wrote.

[Underscore]

Thanks to all the Bernie Bros and 'Hillary is as bad as Trump' people (even when there was no evidence of malicious wrongdoing)

Bet you feel like right idiots now, you've just voted in a President who is going to actually turn the clocks back on progress.

[Vicky.]

This seems pretty daft. I don't get what barring them from the army will do, though I do not think the army should fund transition (if thats what was happening)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thanks to all the Bernie Bros and 'Hillary is as bad as Trump' people (even when there was no evidence of malicious wrongdoing)

Bet you feel like right idiots now, you've just voted in a President who is going to actually turn the clocks back on progress.

The US military will improve in leaps and bounds under Donald

Backwards it won't be, it's moving fast forward

[Underscore]

The US military will improve in leaps and bounds under Donald

Backwards it won't be, it's moving fast forward

How? Yes the military shouldn't be funding transitioning but once you get rid of that what's the point in banning transgender people?

I mean, don't forget he's now absorbed into the party that thinks gays shouldn't have protections against discrimination, shouldn't have marriage and should be electrocuted into hetero conformity.

[Shaun]

Trying to cause another distraction to shift attention away from all his scandals and crime-ridden cabinet.

Agreed. Just a diversionary tactic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How? Yes the military shouldn't be funding transitioning but once you get rid of that what's the point in banning transgender people?

I mean, don't forget he's now absorbed into the party that thinks gays shouldn't have protections against discrimination, shouldn't have marriage and should be electrocuted into hetero conformity.

The most important thing in the USA military is to protect the people of the USA

[Underscore]

The most important thing in the USA military is to protect the people of the USA

So? Transgender people can do that fine...

There is still requirements they have to abide by...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Citing the need to focus on victory, Trump said that the military cannot accept the burden of higher medical costs and “disruption” that transgender troops would require.
“After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail.”

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it will play very well with Trump voters

Raph will be delighted when he hears next week one would imagine as this will be the type of decisive move he wanted to see going forward militarily

[lewis111]

Calling a group of people a burden is disgusting
Imagine he called Black people "burdens" would people still be cheering him on then (probably seeing as around 90% of his voters are racist scums anyway)

At least now less trans people can say they kill people for a living

[Underscore]

Calling a group of people a burden is disgusting
Imagine he called Black people "burdens" would people still be cheering him on then (probably seeing as around 90% of his voters are racist scums anyway)

At least now less trans people can say they kill people for a living

:clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Calling 90 % of the American people who voted for him racist scuml'
"
In the same post as 'calling a group of people a burden is disgusting'

You can't write this golden irony..

:laugh2:

[lewis111]

Calling 90 % of the American people who voted for him racist scuml'
"
In the same post as 'calling a group of people a burden is disgusting'

You can't write this golden irony..

:laugh2:

Trans people have done nothing wrong to trump for him to dislike them though
Trump voters have negatively effected So, so many people's lives. Surely that warrants me to disrespect them

[Greg!]

This is indefensible I cannot believe people are trying to justify this omg.
If it's "funding" that's the issue then why would the army pay for transistion anyway? I don't even think it happens. It's just an excuse for this transphobic disgusting policy.

[GiRTh]

Trying to cause another distraction to shift attention away from all his scandals and crime-ridden cabinet.

Agreed. Just a diversionary tactic.

X3

Perfect timing as his ex campaign manager has been subpoenaed and his son in law is testifying in a private session.

[Brother Leon]

Thanks to all the Bernie Bros and 'Hillary is as bad as Trump' people (even when there was no evidence of malicious wrongdoing)

Bet you feel like right idiots now, you've just voted in a President who is going to actually turn the clocks back on progress.

Don't put it on the Bernie Bros. Put it on the Democraic Party and Hilary Clinton for failing to motivate people enough to vote and taking their vote for granted. Were all Bernie supporters supposed to forget some of the crap Hialry came out with regarding them?

[Black Dagger]

Urgh lgbt icon xx

[arista]

Trans people have done nothing wrong to trump for him to dislike them though
Trump voters have negatively effected So, so many people's lives. Surely that warrants me to disrespect them


Sure
But its really the Generals and Trump

[Jamie89]

It's regressive and short sighted... why am I not surprised

This is indefensible I cannot believe people are trying to justify this omg.
If it's "funding" that's the issue then why would the army pay for transistion anyway? I don't even think it happens. It's just an excuse for this transphobic disgusting policy.

This, it actually doesn't make sense. I guess he could have maybe explained further if he didn't use twitter to announce major policy decisions.

Carter told the Guardian: “What matters in choosing those who serve is that they are best qualified.

“To choose service members on other grounds than military qualifications is social policy and has no place in our military. There are already transgender individuals who are serving capably and honorably. This action would also send the wrong signal to a younger generation thinking about military service.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/26/trump-says-us-military-will-not-accept-or-allow-transgender-people-to-serve

Completely agree ^

[Jamie89]

This is also quite interesting from that article I posted...

"The same study estimated that medical care for individuals who transition would cost roughly $2.4-$4m annually. Every year, the Pentagon spends approximately $6bn on medical care for active members of the armed forces."

Out of a pot of 6 billion they're not actually spending that much anyway by comparison.

[Vicky.]

I wouldn't say it was just about the money, I would imagine when having the actual ops and stuff you are 'out of work' so to speak for a long time. Does the army pay them still when off with...self inflicted injuries?

IDK. Trump is a ****ing arse though and twitter is not the place for this as it opens up more questions than anything. If self funding and not expecting to be paid while out of work..I really don't see the issue. And surely unless the individual made a huge fanfare about being trans then half the time noone would know anyway? As not all transgender people transition or anything

[Oliver_W]

No government should pay for transition surgeries, but anyone who passes the tests should be allowed to serve.

[Livia]

Nothing shocks me with Trump. How about the transgender people who are already serving their country? What should they do? Can he sink any lower, it's hard to imagine.

[Underscore]

I mean what did you expect from a Republican Preisdent

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[Oliver_W]

I've seen conflicting accounts about whether or not transpeople were even allowed to serve in the US army before. For what I gather, those who are transitioning couldn't, but those who had gender dysphoria but weren't presently acting on it could. I think all that Trump meant was that the army wouldn't pay for them to start transitioning, which is fair enough.

[Denver]

f they are not fully transitioned then i agree

[lewis111]

I've seen conflicting accounts about whether or not transpeople were even allowed to serve in the US army before. For what I gather, those who are transitioning couldn't, but those who had gender dysphoria but weren't presently acting on it could. I think all that Trump meant was that the army wouldn't pay for them to start transitioning, which is fair enough.

Then spend about 4 times as much on Viagra for the military than they do on Trans Healthcare
Which is more important?

[Ellen]

I took it to mean they would not pay for any transitioning so those that already have will still serve.

[Oliver_W]

Then spend about 4 times as much on Viagra for the military than they do on Trans Healthcare
Which is more important?

If the viagra results in childbirth, I'd say that's more important.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It would appear that the ban was to enable funding for The Wall to go ahead, so it had to be quickly made. The Wall must take precedent.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trumps-transgender-military-ban-what-forced-us-presidents-controversial-decision/news-story/f25369793f3946cf5de1154c9c09cd92

[Livia]

Studies claim that there are over 15,000 trans people in the US military in a variety of roles. Trump has said that trans people cannot serve in the military "in any capacity". What a shameful waste of talent and resources.

[Vicky.]

I genuinely don't see how he would even know. Transgender people, only like 10% of them ever actually make an attempt to transition medically so its basically just a thought in their heads. Which obviously cannot be policed.

I was thinking a bit more about this yesterday and the only way it makes sense to me is that the suicide rates among trans folk are astoundingly high compared to other groups of people, as are rates of other mental illnesses...most transgender people have some other form of mental illness too. It could be a large risk to themselves and others to put them in a combat situation...from what I know certain types of mental illness and military service do not go well together... In this capacity, I can see why it could be argued that the military is no place for them, BUT...I can't see this being Trumps reasoning at all (plus, it could be argued that only those who actually do have another form of illness should be refused...as its not fair to 'blame' all for how most are) I thought he was all for trans rights actually, didn't he make a huge fuss over how Jenner was welcome in his female changing rooms in his hotels and that?

[Livia]

I genuinely don't see how he would even know. Transgender people, only like 10% of them ever actually make an attempt to transition medically so its basically just a thought in their heads. Which obviously cannot be policed.

I was thinking a bit more about this yesterday and the only way it makes sense to me is that the suicide rates among trans folk are astoundingly high compared to other groups of people, as are rates of other mental illnesses...most transgender people have some other form of mental illness too. It could be a large risk to themselves and others to put them in a combat situation...from what I know certain types of mental illness and military service do not go well together... In this capacity, I can see why it could be argued that the military is no place for them, BUT...I can't see this being Trumps reasoning at all (plus, it could be argued that only those who actually do have another form of illness should be refused...as its not fair to 'blame' all for how most are) I thought he was all for trans rights actually, didn't he make a huge fuss over how Jenner was welcome in his female changing rooms in his hotels and that?

Combat troops only make up a small percentage of service personnel. There are so many other jobs, as you probably know... cooks, administrators, air traffic controllers, mechanics, drivers, medical personnel etc. etc. To me, this is Trump giving the finger to the LBGT community whose rights he promised to protect when he needed their vote.

[Vicky.]

Combat troops only make up a small percentage of service personnel. There are so many other jobs, as you probably know... cooks, administrators, air traffic controllers, mechanics, drivers, medical personnel etc. etc. To me, this is Trump giving the finger to the LBGT community whose rights he promised to protect when he needed their vote.

Yeah I never thought of that actually..I hear military I think actual troops. This decision is pretty bizzare...and as I said how on earth would they police this given most trans people don't bother with hormones and surgeries and that. I do understand not letting those mid transition into the military. but all? Just seems stupid.

[Livia]

Yeah I never thought of that actually..I hear military I think actual troops. This decision is pretty bizzare...and as I said how on earth would they police this given most trans people don't bother with hormones and surgeries and that. I do understand not letting those mid transition into the military. but all? Just seems stupid.

Yeah, really stupid. But then, that's most of his policies, isn't it.

[Liberty4eva]

This is truly just a small step in the right direction. We need to do more drastic things like teach children at school that it is not normal to date your gender. The messages I have read on this board are not encouraging to me. Enjoy your moral degenerate culture.

[Liberty4eva]

If Trump said we are going to ban people in wheel chairs from joining the army, people would be up in arms and offended. The personal feelings of everyone outweighs the practicality of the situation. This is why our societies are going into the toilet.

[Dominic]

This is indefensible I cannot believe people are trying to justify this omg.
If it's "funding" that's the issue then why would the army pay for transistion anyway? I don't even think it happens. It's just an excuse for this transphobic disgusting policy.

Plus transgender medical costs only account for 0.1% increase in healthcare, according to a study, so it's not an issue or a way to justify this.

[JTM45]

This is truly just a small step in the right direction. We need to do more drastic things like teach children at school that it is not normal to date your gender. The messages I have read on this board are not encouraging to me. Enjoy your moral degenerate culture.

Your username seems to massively contradict your oppresive views regarding how other people live their lives;

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