Pulling up the ladder

[Kizzy]

0QQOD4dqSoY

[Crimson Dynamo]

so its bad actors lying and we are supposed to do what?

[Novo]

Those damn right oppressive Tories!

Jez we can x

[lewis111]

Good video that points out the reasons why young people get so annoyed when SOME (Nkt all - some) older people say we want it so easy
We just want more help

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good video that points out the reasons why young people get so annoyed when SOME (Nkt all - some) older people say we want it so easy
We just want more help

yeah but its made bollocks up by young people justifying themselves by pretending to understand people who are older

its fiction

.....

[Kizzy]

I know personally people who have said almost identical statements currently enjoying secure jobs with paid off mortgages.
There always has been an 'I'm alright jack' proportion, it's not wrong to highlight how it will be very different for those who aspire to be in that comfortable position today.

[Oliver_W]

So the video makes the stunning point that things were different several decades ago? University education then and now can't really be compared, with all the pointless courses which only serve to fill the universities' coffers. As for different house prices, it's almost as if the population has grown far too much since that lady bought her house.
I don't care about the nepotism thing, as people are free to do what they want with their money and their businesses, plus any working class business owner could hire their kids.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So the video makes the stunning point that things were different several decades ago? University education then and now can't really be compared, with all the pointless courses which only serve to fill the universities' coffers. As for different house prices, it's almost as if the population has grown far too much since that lady bought her house.
I don't care about the nepotism thing, as people are free to do what they want with their money and their businesses, plus any working class business owner could hire their kids.

:clap1:

[smudgie]

The first house we bought was approx 3x yearly salary of hubby. (Interest rate up to 15%)
Same house now is less than twice my daughters yearly salary. Interest at much much lower rates)
Depends where you live I suppose, and if you are prepared to start on the lower rung.
Living in the North East does have advantages when it comes to finding a supply of solid affordable housing for first timers.

My daughters partner's father has just bought them a little flat in Brighton, tiny bathroom, tiny kitchen, cost more than our 4 bed detached up here:shrug:
Ridiculous.

[MTVN]

Yep can't stand those who get jobs because of who their father is. Seb Corbyn, by contrast, obviously got his highly paid job with John McDonnell purely on merit..

[Kizzy]

The vid emphasizes the free 'useful' degrees benefits, nodding to the explosion in property prices in the south as well as the ability to raise a family and save to help your children.
None of which are ( in the main) possible now.

[Oliver_W]

The vid emphasizes the free 'useful' degrees benefits, nodding to the explosion in property prices in the south as well as the ability to raise a family and save to help your children.
None of which are ( in the main) possible now.

Plenty of people in my age range (twenty-somethings) have decent jobs, mortgages, and savings. Working hard pays more than whinging about how unfair the world is.

[jaxie]

And those 'I'm all right jack' people probably struggled buying their houses through the Thatcher years with 10% interest rates. Why should anyone assume their ride was easier?

[Kizzy]

Plenty of people in my age range (twenty-somethings) have decent jobs, mortgages, and savings. Working hard pays more than whinging about how unfair the world is.

How much would yo have to earn in your mid 20's to buy a property in the south and have savings roughly?

Bearing in mind the student debt £50k millstone obv.

[Oliver_W]

How much would yo have to earn in your mid 20's to buy a property in the south and have savings roughly?

Bearing in mind the student debt £50k millstone obv.
I don't live in the south, so I wouldn't know.

[Kizzy]

I don't live in the south, so I wouldn't know.

Neither do I, yet I'm aware of the explosion in property prices and how it will impact on people living and working in the south who cannot ever hope to buy, no matter how hard they work.

[Kizzy]

Yep can't stand those who get jobs because of who their father is. Seb Corbyn, by contrast, obviously got his highly paid job with John McDonnell purely on merit..

You're misunderstanding to message, it's irrelevant whether Corbyns son works with McDonnell... He'll be aware (hopefully) that alongside his own merits he will have perhaps had an advantage in his field due to his fathers connections.

It's the awareness of that privilege that's highlighted in the vid, we see the young man scoffing at those climbing the ladder whilst he himself took the escalator.

Whether or not you had a hand up isn't really the issue, it's the attitude towards others when you are looking from a lofty secure position that's the talking point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are misunderstanding to message, it is irrelevant whether Corbyns son works with McDonnell... He will be aware (hopefully) that alongside his own merits he will have perhaps had an advantage in his field due to his fathers connections.

It's the awareness of that privilege that is highlighted in the vid, we see the young man scoffing at those climbing the ladder whilst he himself took the escalator.

Whether or not you had a hand up isn't really the issue, its the attitude towards others when you are looking from a lofty secure position that is the talking point.

Its actors and its not real

made by people with an agenda

what bit are you missing?

:shrug:

[Cherie]

And those 'I'm all right jack' people probably struggled buying their houses through the Thatcher years with 10% interest rates. Why should anyone assume their ride was easier?

exactly when we bought our first flat interest rates were 15 per cent and we had a lodger and no central heating and sticks of furniture, and no holidays for a few years, do people want to forego anything to get on the ladder now, nope.

[Kizzy]

Its actors and its not real

made by people with an agenda

what bit are you missing?

:shrug:

It's a talking head, social commentary, what bit of the conversation it has encouraged are you against?

[Cherie]

Neither do I, yet I'm aware of the explosion in property prices and how it will impact on people living and working in the south who cannot ever hope to buy, no matter how hard they work.

Move out a little bit and properties are much more affordable, there is part ownership, help to buy, it may not be like it used to be but it is still possible, you just need to adjust your mindset accordingly

[Kizzy]

exactly when we bought our first flat interest rates were 15 per cent and we had a lodger and no central heating and sticks of furniture, and no holidays for a few years, do people want to forego anything to get on the ladder now, nope.


You sublet, was that very easy to do then with no heating in the flat :/
No holidays prior to getting the flat, but you were able to work, pay rent and feed yourselves and save a deposit presumably. My query is in the south now is that even a viable option?
Was this a flat in London Cherie, if it was how much is that flat worth now out of interest?

[Kizzy]

Move out a little bit and properties are much more affordable, there is part ownership, help to buy, it may not be like it used to be but it is still possible, you just need to adjust your mindset accordingly

Adjust your mindset, you mean imagine social cleansing isn't happening?

Now the suggestion is not work hard and save it's don't bother and move away?

[Cherie]

You sublet, was that very easy to do then with no heating in the flat :/
No holidays prior to getting the flat, but you were able to work, pay rent and feed yourselves and save a deposit presumably. My query is in the south now is that even a viable option?
Was this a flat in London Cherie, if it was how much is that flat worth now out of interest?


yes it is still a viable option under shared ownership, help to buy, or builders pay deposit on the property, we had electric heaters in the bedrooms, the plug in ones and an old fashioned gas fire in the living room the lodger was a friend so the rent was cheap but helped with the bills. the flat is worth 380,000 last time I looked.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a talking head, social commentary, what bit of the conversation it has encouraged are you against?

all its done is triggered people like you

everyone else isnt bothered

sorry

[Kizzy]

yes it is still a viable option under shared ownership, help to buy, or builders pay deposit on the property, we had electric heaters in the bedrooms, the plug in ones and an old fashioned gas fire in the living room the lodger was a friend so the rent was cheap but helped with the bills. the flat is worth 380,000 last time I looked.

I'm confused, you had no central heating but had heating then, were running both gas and electric fires to heat the flat, I'm wondering at todays values what that would cost?
You had a friend staying with you, for which you charged a little, it wasn't anything long term or legally binding so why is shared ownership offered as a modern day comparison?

Would you have then been able to afford £380k for this flat?

I see you trying to equate your situation then to the issues 20 somethings have today, but to me it's not even nearly comparable.

[Kizzy]

all its done is triggered people like you

everyone else isnt bothered

sorry

People like me, could people like you who feel compelled to derail any conversation they can't understand explain what best describes how people like me think please?

Don't be sorry the conversation will be had with or without your input.

[jaxie]

I'm confused, you had no central heating but had heating then, were running both gas and electric fires to heat the flat, I'm wondering at todays values what that would cost?
You had a friend staying with you, for which you charged a little, it wasn't anything long term or legally binding so why is shared ownership offered as a modern day comparison?

Would you have then been able to afford £380k for this flat?

I see you trying to equate your situation then to the issues 20 somethings have today, but to me it's not even nearly comparable.

What you are conveniently forgetting is that while property may have been cheaper twenty years ago pay was also a lot less and energy was still expensive. It's not that different for people of any generation, all have their struggles. There was a time when my grandparents were young when you could buy a house for less than a thousand pounds but in relation to pay at the time it was a great deal of money that most working people would never achieve.

In the 70s and 80s University was free but most working class kids were pushed out to work at 16 to contribute to the household funds.

[Crimson Dynamo]

People like me, could people like you who feel compelled to derail any conversation they can't understand explain what best describes how people like me think please?

Don't be sorry the conversation will be had with or without your input.

There is no conversation its just a youtube video that you think is real but it isnt

It should be in general chat anyroad

[Cherie]

What you are conveniently forgetting is that while property may have been cheaper twenty years ago pay was also a lot less and energy was still expensive. It's not that different for people of any generation, all have their struggles. There was a time when my grandparents were young when you could buy a house for less than a thousand pounds but in relation to pay at the time it was a great deal of money that most working people would never achieve.

In the 70s and 80s University was free but most working class kids were pushed out to work at 16 to contribute to the household funds.



I was just coming in to say this every generation has its struggles, the older generation are currently struggling due to poor interest rates while mortgage holders have it good, 20 years ago the reverse was the case, the younger generation today spend alot of their income on new phones and designer clothes, you have to decide what is important to you, yes it is difficult to get onto the property market in London but not impossible and you don't have to move out very far to get a cheaper option, if I was renting now I would be seriously looking at buying with ten year fixes on a low interest rate that is probably set to change, you would be stupid not try to any way you can

[Kizzy]

I was just coming in to say this every generation has its struggles, the older generation are currently struggling due to poor interest rates while mortgage holders have it good, 20 years ago the reverse was the case, the younger generation today spend alot of their income on new phones and designer clothes, you have to decide what is important to you, yes it is difficult to get onto the property market in London but not impossible and you don't have to move out very far to get a cheaper option, if I was renting now I would be seriously looking at buying with ten year fixes on a low interest rate that is probably set to change, you would be stupid not try to any way you can

That's rather presumptuous of you, so this flat you had as a first time buyer is now worth £380k and unattainable for many 1st, 2nd or even 3rd time buyer but it's nothing to do with that, just the priorities of the younger generation?

You bought in London, don't you see that is exactly the attitude displayed in the vid it's not a case of move out of the capital to find cheaper property, that has always been an option. It's the denial that there is a discrepancy between wages and property prices now that is impossible to bridge there even if you lived on a shoestring budget for years.

[Kizzy]

There is no conversation its just a youtube video that you think is real but it isnt

It should be in general chat anyroad

Ok thanks.

[jaxie]

That's rather presumptuous of you, so this flat you had as a first time buyer is now worth £380k and unattainable for many 1st, 2nd or even 3rd time buyer but it's nothing to do with that, just the priorities of the younger generation?

You bought in London, don't you see that is exactly the attitude displayed in the vid it's not a case of move out of the capital to find cheaper property, that has always been an option. It's the denial that there is a discrepancy between wages and property prices now that is impossible to bridge there even if you lived on a shoestring budget for years.

Isn't it presumptuous to assume the older generation had an easy ride also? There has always been a discrepancy between wages and property prices.

[Oliver_W]

Isn't it presumptuous to assume the older generation had an easy ride also? There has always been a discrepancy between wages and property prices.
You're being silly, I've seen loads of Facebook memes which say you could buy a palace and ten cars just by flipping burgers thirty years ago.

[Kizzy]

I'm aware there has always been a discrepancy, but again for clarity, the flat Cherie bought as a first time buyer is now £380,000...

[arista]

Good video that points out the reasons why young people get so annoyed when SOME (Nkt all - some) older people say we want it so easy
We just want more help

Those Young People MUST get OUT OF BED
and VOTE.

He nearly won
all down to Green Party members standing down
just to achieve more Labour MP's
If the green party doubles the amount standing down
at the next 2022 General Election
LABOUR WINS
FACT



All of it is Math

[Cherie]

I'm aware there has always been a discrepancy, but again for clarity, the flat Cherie bought as a first time buyer is now £380,000...

and you are missing the point that even though it does cost alot of money, there are various schemes to help people get on the property ladder which weren't available to people in the 90s or before that , apart from right to buy, so even though property prices are very expensive its not impossible as there is help out there, how is your property purchase going Kizzy?

[Kizzy]

and you are missing the point that even though it does cost alot of money, there are various schemes to help people get on the property ladder which weren't available to people in the 90s or before that , apart from right to buy, so even though property prices are very expensive its not impossible as there is help out there, how is your property purchase going Kizzy?

It is entirely the point, would you both as first time buyers considered a £380,000 flat even with the 'incentives'... honestly?

It's going slowly :/

[jaxie]

and you are missing the point that even though it does cost alot of money, there are various schemes to help people get on the property ladder which weren't available to people in the 90s or before that , apart from right to buy, so even though property prices are very expensive its not impossible as there is help out there, how is your property purchase going Kizzy?

I was just going to say that about the missing the point! But I think the point being missed is that 380000 is more or less the same as an earlier generations 38000 when you take into consideration cost of living and wages at the time.

I can remember an older cousin buying a house in the 80s and struggling to get proof of earnings including overtime of about 9k to get a mortgage on a one bedroom place for around 25k.

[Kizzy]

I was just going to say that about the missing the point! But I think the point being missed is that 380000 is more or less the same as an earlier generations 38000 when you take into consideration cost of living and wages at the time.

I can remember an older cousin buying a house in the 80s and struggling to get proof of earnings including overtime of about 9k to get a mortgage on a one bedroom place for around 25k.

Eh?.... we're going back to 1990 not 1890 :/ Wages aren't that dramatically different.

But thanks, you've kind of proved my point, the £25k house your cousin wanted was just over 2 and a half times her income... if you equate that to the £380k flat who is earning £150k per annum to pay for that? :/

[jaxie]

Eh?.... we're going back to 1990 not 1890 :/ Wages aren't that dramatically different.

But thanks, you've kind of proved my point, the £25k house your cousin wanted was just over 2 and a half times her income... if you equate that to the £380k flat who is earning £150k per annum to pay for that? :/

The example I gave was kind of vague because it was a memory of someone else situation and rather depends on what year it was, where the property being purchased was etc. You can't prove a point when half the facts are missing. :shrug:

You are always going to have higher prices inner city and quite a few people nowadays earn 150k, particularly if it's a couples joint income if they work in the city. That isn't to say everyone does, it also doesn't mean every flat is £380k. There are plenty of flats for sale in and around London from around 80k in places like Plumstead, Plaistow and Stratford if you do a zoopla search. You might have to go a bit further like Watford or Croydon for something around the 50k mark though I did find one place at Canary Wharf for 65k. A lot depends on where you want to live and what compromises you are willing to make. Well actually it's a boat but what a pretty cool place to start from.

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/44427378?search_identifier=49eba56e02b3504de1062d1 8ab2a9fc4

Most people start out with something at a lower price and make revenue on the property to move up the ladder.

[Cherie]

The example I gave was kind of vague because it was a memory of someone else situation and rather depends on what year it was, where the property being purchased was etc. You can't prove a point when half the facts are missing. :shrug:

You are always going to have higher prices inner city and quite a few people nowadays earn 150k, particularly if it's a couples joint income if they work in the city. That isn't to say everyone does, it also doesn't mean every flat is £380k. There are plenty of flats for sale in and around London from around 80k in places like Plumstead, Plaistow and Stratford if you do a zoopla search. You might have to go a bit further like Watford or Croydon for something around the 50k mark though I did find one place at Canary Wharf for 65k. A lot depends on where you want to live and what compromises you are willing to make. Well actually it's a boat but what a pretty cool place to start from.

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/44427378?search_identifier=49eba56e02b3504de1062d1 8ab2a9fc4

Most people start out with something at a lower price and make revenue on the property to move up the ladder.


Yes London is expensive but if you are a glass half empty person you will never get any where, we could have sat back and stayed renting, instead we took on a mortgage with one of us self employed with interest rates at 15 per cent, we have been through a few recessions but come out the other side, it was tough then and it is tough for people trying to do it now, it is the best thing we ever did buying our own place and I recommend everyone do it whether that be by part ownership right to buy or whatever, access the help and do it

[Underscore]

I'm sorry but how can this video win over swing voters - especially from middle aged upwards

Momentum are isolating voters.

Also aren't momentum concerned that most young people are pro-Remain yet their leader is fiercely backing a hard brexit? It will come back to bite them in their arses.

[Underscore]

It's blatant ageism and classism, saying that middle aged and middle classed people are Tory and like this. I don't like it.

And I'm not even Tory, I'm Lib Dem :fist:

[jaxie]

It's blatant ageism and classism, saying that middle aged and middle classed people are Tory and like this. I don't like it.

And I'm not even Tory, I'm Lib Dem :fist:

I agree with you 100%.

[Livia]

Maybe give everyone who is renting privately the option to buy their home at a big discount, the way council tenants do.

[Kizzy]

What a ridiculous snipey post, how can you buy someones private property?
Don't bother answering I an aware tat was directed at me for buying my house from the council.

[Crimson Dynamo]

update your avatar for goodness sake

[Kizzy]

The example I gave was kind of vague because it was a memory of someone else situation and rather depends on what year it was, where the property being purchased was etc. You can't prove a point when half the facts are missing. :shrug:

You are always going to have higher prices inner city and quite a few people nowadays earn 150k, particularly if it's a couples joint income if they work in the city. That isn't to say everyone does, it also doesn't mean every flat is £380k. There are plenty of flats for sale in and around London from around 80k in places like Plumstead, Plaistow and Stratford if you do a zoopla search. You might have to go a bit further like Watford or Croydon for something around the 50k mark though I did find one place at Canary Wharf for 65k. A lot depends on where you want to live and what compromises you are willing to make. Well actually it's a boat but what a pretty cool place to start from.




https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/44427378?search_identifier=49eba56e02b3504de1062d1 8ab2a9fc4

Most people start out with something at a lower price and make revenue on the property to move up the ladder.

Hang on you brought the silly story of your cousins house up... Why even bother if nobody is to comment on your pointless tale then?

I am aware there are cheaper flats in cheaper areas fgs... I am using Cheries flat as an example to prove the exponential rise in the cost of once affordable housing in the capital and how some are simply priced out completely. Wow it's hard going to put forward a simple point here lately.

[Kizzy]

update your avatar for goodness sake

No, stop derailing this thread please.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, stop derailing this thread please.

it needs help?

[jaxie]

Hang on you brought the silly story of your cousins house up... Why even bother if nobody is to comment on your pointless tale then?

I am aware there are cheaper flats in cheaper areas fgs... I am using Cheries flat as an example to prove the exponential rise in the cost of once affordable housing in the capital and how some are simply priced out completely. Wow it's hard going to put forward a simple point here lately.

Maybe because it isn't much of a point at all. :shrug:

I wasn't aware you were the post commandant. I was under the wild illusion we could post any silly story we liked.

[Kizzy]

Maybe because it isn't much of a point at all. :shrug:

I wasn't aware you were the post commandant. I was under the wild illusion we could post any silly story we liked.

Isn't much of a point? You're eschewing my posts in reply to your confused ramble about your cousin, and yet you are accusing me of not making sense?

I'm not getting into any pointless to and fro with you, post your silly stories if you like I'll know better now than to attach any seriousness to them.