Race card arrived early

[chuff me dizzy]

Karthick throwing the race card at Paul all because he couldn't pronounce his name ? Get a grip

[Crimson Dynamo]

Karthick throwing the race card at Paul all because he couldn't pronounce his name ? Get a grip

It may be a well known Indian name but its not here in the UK so its normal that it will be mispronounced

I presume all Londoners will call him Kahfick anyway as they cant say TH or R

[chuff me dizzy]

It may be a well known Indian name but its not here in the UK so its normal that it will be mispronounced

I presume all Londoners will call him Kahfick anyway as they cant say TH or R

Ive never heard of the name before and I call him different names too

[Littlegreen]

I can understand both sides with this, but I do think it was an overreaction. Karthick must have been aware of what that kind of allegation has within this show?

[Withano]

Tbf, Karthick thought he said Qatar.. which would be quite racist for the reasons he brought up yesterday..

[Wizard.]

Tbf, Karthick thought he said Qatar.. which would be quite racist for the reasons he brought up yesterday..

I did laugh when he said "You called me Qatar Airways" :joker:

[Withano]

I did laugh when he said "You called me Qatar Airways" :joker:

Same, Karthick is so messy. I really want to love him, but he's making it difficult!

[Gusto Brunt]

I thought it was Kartick.

But it's Karthick.

I should have known.;)

[Babayaro.]

Idk how anyone can mispronounce it anyway lol. Pretty easy name to say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Idk how anyone can mispronounce it anyway lol. Pretty easy name to say.

Not if you are from the South East of England its not

[Alf]

Well I re-watched and I think Karthick said that bit in a joking way. He didn't say it in a confrontational or accusing way. And Karthicks character goes along with that.

Paul over-reacted.

[Dominic]

He said he joked with the racist thing lol

[Epic.]

The real embarassing thing is that the percentage area of the forum with all the housemates listed misspells him as "Karthick" when it's Karthik

[Dominic]

The real embarassing thing is that the percentage area of the forum with all the housemates listed misspells him as "Karthick" when it's Karthik

Exactly, and his tag

[Alf]

The real embarassing thing is that the percentage area of the forum with all the housemates listed misspells him as "Karthick" when it's KarthikI thought it was, I spelt it that way the other day, but I was just following how it had been spelt in this thread. But now I've had it confirmed I'll never spell it wrong again.

[Cherie]

He said he joked with the racist thing lol

He wasn't joking, he just covered his tracks when Paul flew at him

[Withano]

The real embarassing thing is that the percentage area of the forum with all the housemates listed misspells him as "Karthick" when it's Karthik

Lol, I originally put Karthik but his tibb tag said Karthick :suspect:

[Crimson Dynamo]

"What you need to do, is you need to go get pretty and come outside."

yeah, that greenhouse of his must be in a right state

[thisisdanny]

Karthick throwing the race card at Paul all because he couldn't pronounce his name ? Get a grip

Don't be racist!! His name is Karthik not Karthick! Reporting ya

[Tom4784]

Ah 'the race card' the term white people use to discount any and all counts of racism because it's easier to pretend it doesn't exist then it is to accept an uncomfortable truth.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ah 'the race card' the term white people use to discount any and all counts of racism because it's easier to pretend it doesn't exist then it is to accept an uncomfortable truth.

Silly Karthick now you have Dezzy playing it as well...

:rolleyes:

[Paula D]

Look, it's simple, it's easy enough to say someone's name correctly, so just do it.

If Danan knows how sensitive it is in BB then he should know about poppadom.

They were both idiots in that situation but I have to admit I'd be pissed off if someone wasn't bothered at least trying to pronounce my name.

[chuff me dizzy]

Silly Karthick now you have Dezzy playing it as well...

:rolleyes:

:clap1:..... Dead right !!

[Paula D]

You know what I actually think it is in the UK? Uneducated idiots who can't speak properly and have no manners.

Height of bad manners to make up a name for someone unless they tell you to.

[Ashley.]

Ive never heard of the name before and I call him different names too

Why?

[DanielM787]

You can see a nasty streak in Paul, Karthik shouldn't have said that but we know he was joking, although Paul looks like he's hut the bottle again

[waterhog]

I am with karthik on this one. paul just running mouth and not listening.

[chuff me dizzy]

No need to bring race into it for Paul getting his name wrong

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/big-brother/324928-celebrity-big-brother-race-row-splits-viewers-paul-karthik-argue.html

By looks of it ,all of them had been calling him Qatar ,but he only called Paul a racist

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/big-brother/324928-celebrity-big-brother-race-row-splits-viewers-paul-karthik-argue.html

By looks of it ,all of them had been calling him Qatar ,but he only called Paul a racist

Tellymix also calling him Karthick

[thisisdanny]

Look, it's simple, it's easy enough to say someone's name correctly, so just do it.

If Danan knows how sensitive it is in BB then he should know about poppadom.

They were both idiots in that situation but I have to admit I'd be pissed off if someone wasn't bothered at least trying to pronounce my name.

There's a difference between saying someone's name slightly wrong to calling someone Shilpa Poppadom in a conversation where they were guessing her surname.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[chuff me dizzy]

There's a difference between saying someone's name slightly wrong to calling someone Shilpa Poppadom in a conversation where they were guessing her surname.

A poppadom is not a race, its a food stuff

[thisisdanny]

A poppadom is not a race, its a food stuff

I'm aware poppadom is not a race

[Paula D]

There's a difference between saying someone's name slightly wrong to calling someone Shilpa Poppadom in a conversation where they were guessing her surname.
Saying Qatar is not a slight mispronunication of Karthik.

[Amy Jade]

I mean I've probably spelt his name incorrectly too and I am not racist at all.

[Paula D]

I mean I've probably spelt his name incorrectly too and I am not racist at all.
Spelling is different Amy as you know.

[JerseyWins]

A legend claiming he was joking afterwards :joker:

[ethanjames]

he was obviously kidding but they either edited it to make him seem like he was in the wrong or he just phrased it wrong.

[Cherie]

http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/big-brother/324928-celebrity-big-brother-race-row-splits-viewers-paul-karthik-argue.html

By looks of it ,all of them had been calling him Qatar ,but he only called Paul a racist

Sam started it when he chose him not to get vip membership it stemmed from there

[thisisdanny]

Saying Qatar is not a slight mispronunication of Karthik.

It sort of is.

Either way everyone has joked about it, whether he liked or not just say call me by my real name instead of using the race card. Especially in CBB when it has a past.

[Crimson Dynamo]

...Paul to use 4 oxo cubes tonight and Karthick to have a meltdown about it tomoz

:hehe:

[Marsh.]

Karthick throwing the race card at Paul all because he couldn't pronounce his name ? Get a grip

Well that's a lie. He could pronounce his name perfectly. He purposely chose to mispronounce in an attempt to be funny. He admitted that himself.

Not racist in itself as he did the same with a couple of names but stuff like this shows extreme ignorance in cases, such as when Jackie Budden insisted on not being able to speak properly and call Shilpa "Shumpa". Not a hard name, but because it's a "foreign" sounding name they think it's not worth bothering saying properly and just say stupid words instead.

I think Danan was just trying to make an innocent joke in this case, but from Karthik's perspective you can see how that would be tiring.

[Marsh.]

A poppadom is not a race, its a food stuff

Well I don't think anyone was suggesting "Shilpa Poppadom" was offensive to poppadoms, more likely to Shilpa, an Indian woman the target of racist jokes.

But, you knew that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Well I don't think anyone was suggesting "Shilpa Poppadom" was offensive to poppadoms, more likely to Shilpa, an Indian woman the target of racist jokes.

But, you knew that.

As Ive said for years on here ,the only thing Jade called her was Shilpa Poppadom

[JerseyWins]

I'm looking forward to the follow up between them. Karthik seems over it after his confessional but another thing is maybe they just don't like each other and it hasn't been shown much yet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm looking forward to the follow up between them. Karthik seems over it after his confessional but another thing is maybe they just don't like each other and it hasn't been shown much yet.

agreed, they hugged and made up but i dont think Karthick is the forgiving and forgetting type

[HBIC]

Anybody that can't pronounce "Karthik" is a moron that deserves to be called out. It's an easy name to pronounce.

[Marsh.]

As Ive said for years on here ,the only thing Jade called her was Shilpa Poppadom

And? Using it as a flippant insult to mock an Indian woman makes it racist.

Even taking out the racist element (for which I will always lay the blame at Danielle and Jack's feet mostly) Jade was a horrible bully.

[chuff me dizzy]

And? Using it as a flippant insult to mock an Indian woman makes it racist.

Even taking out the racist element (for which I will always lay the blame at Danielle and Jack's feet mostly) Jade was a horrible bully.

So a food stuff is racist is this what you're claiming ?

[bots]

Anybody that can't pronounce "Karthik" is a moron that deserves to be called out. It's an easy name to pronounce.

no its not, one needs to have a lisp to say it

[Marsh.]

no its not, one needs to have a lisp to say it

So you need a lisp to say 'Car Thick'?

[Marsh.]

So a food stuff is racist is this what you're claiming ?

Well clearly not, but you know this.

Mocking an Indian woman by replacing her actual name with Indian food names is racist. Quite obviously.

You might be ok with mocking people, but in the real world it's not an acceptable form of bullying.

[JerseyWins]

Yeah, it's kinda not right to purposely mispronounce someone's name just because they have a unique, foreign name. The reason I don't have an issue with it is the context from Paul. He was just repeating a joke that was based on someone else accidentally mispronouncing Karthik's name and it was just in a joking manner as well rather than with malicious or condescending intent.

It's very understandable for Karthik to take it personally for a second as well without realizing the context, honest misunderstanding, etc.

[chuff me dizzy]

Well clearly not, but you know this.

Mocking an Indian woman by replacing her actual name with Indian food names is racist. Quite obviously.

You might be ok with mocking people, but in the real world it's not an acceptable form of bullying.

So its only a rule for Indian women ?

[Marsh.]

So its only a rule for Indian women ?

Who else was called "poppadom"? Let's stick to what actually happened and not try to reduce the abuse Shilpa received daily to "all she said was poppadom, it's a food". That's called ignorance, something Jade was guilty of too.

Let's not pretend Jade was accused of racism for daring to use the word "poppadom".

She was called out for deliberately selecting that as a name replacement to insult an Indian woman she didn't like and wanted to mock. And who she, and her friends, continually mocked her name, accent and culture. It wasn't an isolated incident for which Jade was labelled racist or a bully but several days/even weeks of abuse. We all watched it.

This diversionary tactic does not work. It was very simply racism and no amount of trying to trivialise it will change that.

[Northern Monkey]

I just thought he had a lisp and he was saying car sick

[Vanessa]

What pissed me off is that others also called him Qatar, but he only pulled the race card on Paul. Idiot :mad:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What pissed me off is that others also called him Qatar, but he only pulled the race card on Paul. Idiot :mad:

correct

they were all at it but for some reason Paul was attacked?

[chuff me dizzy]

Who else was called "poppadom"? Let's stick to what actually happened and not try to reduce the abuse Shilpa received daily to "all she said was poppadom, it's a food". That's called ignorance, something Jade was guilty of too.

Let's not pretend Jade was accused of racism for daring to use the word "poppadom".

She was called out for deliberately selecting that as a name replacement to insult an Indian woman she didn't like and wanted to mock. And who she, and her friends, continually mocked her name, accent and culture. It wasn't an isolated incident for which Jade was labelled racist or a bully but several days/even weeks of abuse. We all watched it.

This diversionary tactic does not work. It was very simply racism and no amount of trying to trivialise it will change that.

Ok lovely :kiss: But you can twist it anyway you wish, but you will never make a popadom a race

[Marsh.]

Ok lovely :kiss: But you can twist it anyway you wish, but you will never make a popadom a race

Nobody said a poppadom was a race sweet heart.

A racial slur itself isn't a race, it's when words are used to mock a race they become racist. But don't worry, everybody has to learn new things. :pat:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is it wrong that I prefer nans?

[Withano]

I'm aware poppadom is not a race

:joker:

[Withano]

Everyone else was saying Kafar, which is just rude.. he thought Danan said Qatar, which is relatively racist and a level above 'Kafar'. Idk how this is still beig discussed. Pauls rudeness was misunderstood as racism, whilst the rudeness of others was not. Maybe they announciated their syllables better.

[reece(:]

Qatar has racist connotations.

[pontyboi]

I am with karthik on this one. paul just running mouth and not listening.

Oh ffs this same thing happened in 2001 with Narinder when no one could pronounce her name. She ranted in the diary room but never pulled out the racist card. I can't pronounce his name and I think Narinder is a bb legend! does that make me racist? I even chat to her on facebook people need to stop pulling out the racist or homophobic card coz it's killing the show

[T*]

It's a mess that you were expecting him to use a race card in the first place
That is problematique

[Marsh.]

I don't think it's about not being able to pronounce it. I find that a rather lame excuse.

If it was written down and someone didn't know how to pronounce it from reading it, then fair enough. I've run into that problem many times.

But when you have the person whose name it is actually telling you their name, it's easy to simply say it the way they're telling you. It's ignorance at best to continually get it wrong.

In the case of Danan, that's irrelevant as he purposely got it wrong as a joke. He admitted that.

[pontyboi]

Everyone else was saying Kafar, which is just rude.. he thought Danan said Qatar, which is relatively racist and a level above 'Kafar'. Idk how this is still beig discussed. Pauls rudeness was misunderstood as racism, whilst the rudeness of others was not. Maybe they announciated their syllables better.

Why would he be Intentionally racist on TV? ....career over.

[Marsh.]

Why would he be I tentinally racist on TV? ....career over.

Genuine question, but does he have a career to lose?

[Withano]

Why would he be I tentinally racist on TV? ....career over.

He wasnt. None of them were. Stop reading my posts with your angry eyes, I never said that

[pontyboi]

Genuine question, but does he have a career to lose?

He has a career to gain back and that's why he's in cbb.

[pontyboi]

He wasnt. None of them were. Stop reading my posts with your angry eyes, I never said that

Excuse me I have gorgeous green eyes lol I'm the only ****ing member to put a photo of myself on here so go **** yourself.

[Marsh.]

I'm the only ****ing member to put a photo of myself on here so go **** yourself.

I don't know what relevance this has to the discussion or what Withano said but... no you're not, the MTM thread is full of our photos.

[Withano]

Excuse me I have gorgeous green eyes lol I'm the only ****ing member to put a photo of myself on here so go **** yourself.

Oh haha. That makes me look bitchier than I intended. My post was nothing to do with your avatar or your beautiful green eyes! I just felt as if you read my post with an angrier tone that the tone I wrote it in.

[pontyboi]

Oh haha. That makes me look bitchier than I intended. My post was nothing to do with your avatar or your beautiful green eyes! I just felt as if you read my post with an angrier tone that the tone I wrote it in.

You said I had "angry eyes" enough said

[Withano]

You said I had "angry eyes" enough said

Yes, cos you read my post angrily...

[thisisdanny]

You said I had "angry eyes" enough said

Quite clearly because you read it with negativity, not literally meaning your actual eyes.

[Marsh.]

Yes, cos you read my post angrily...

I spoke negatively about a gay housemate ages ago and got a load of abuse over PM about me being a "homophobe" so don't waste your energy. :joker:

[Vanessa]

Anyone who pulls the race card loses my respect automatically.