State of emergency declared amid violence at Charlottesville 'Unite the Right' rally

[GiRTh]

State of emergency declared amid violence at Charlottesville's 'Unite the Right' rally (http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-white-nationalists-rally/index.html?sr=twCNN081217charlottesville-white-nationalists-rally1216PMVODtop)

Thought I'd post this cuz its trending on twitter.

[lewis111]

A person has died after a car hit protesters

[MB.]

I see this forum's first thoughts following a rally in which Nazis took to the streets shouting "Jews will not replace us" and rammed a car into protesters, killing at least one person, are "well, at least it's not Obama" and "be a bit more specific about the location please"

[lewis111]

It was the Neo-Nazis that Attacked the anti-hate protestors

[lewis111]

This is breaking news and a massive issue - people are being killed - can we have a proper discussion and not discuss the location or who posted the thread?!

[lewis111]

I can't believe that This can still happen in America - a country which is so diverse and supposedly forward has people shouting "burn the Fags" and attacking black people and they are allowed to do it! So ****ed up

[T*]

I see this forum's first thoughts following a rally in which Nazis took to the streets shouting "Jews will not replace us" and rammed a car into protesters, killing at least one person, are "well, at least it's not Obama" and "be a bit more specific about the location please"

If I could like this post I would

[letmein]

Not as Bad
as the Horrible Last President
who spoke lasts of words
doing FECK ALL



Is this supposed to be English?

[lewis111]

Their literally killing people because a statue of a pro-slavery general was removed

[lewis111]

Is this supposed to be English?

Can't be
It's saying that people who Hate blacks and literally want them dead are better than a president who was fighting against those types of people

[JTM45]

Do you ever post anything else?

It's better than more ''Racist Paedophile Grooming Gangs'' threads or any threads blaming every problem in the World on ''the Muslims''.

Trump, his lack of sense and intellect and the right-wing dumb-asses who believe a word of his self-serving lies should be a great concern to everyone...........until he's removed from office at least. Trump's provided them with the ignorant, ill-informed mouthpiece they've long craved and since he's been in power all he's done is chipped away at American Democracy and the backbone of America, the constitution. The man HATES democracy.

The real problem Trump and the majority of other Obama haters had was the colour of his skin.

[Brillopad]

It's better than more ''Racist Paedophile Grooming Gangs'' threads or any threads blaming every problem in the World on ''the Muslims''.

Trump, his lack of sense and intellect and the right-wing dumb-asses who believe a word of his self-serving lies should be a great concern to everyone...........until he's removed from office at least. Trump's provided them with the ignorant, ill-informed mouthpiece they've long craved and since he's been in power all he's done is chipped away at American Democracy and the backbone of America, the constitution. The man HATES democracy.

The real problem Trump and the majority of other Obama haters had was the colour of his skin.

If you don't like or support a president who is a black man it must be because of the colour of his skin. It couldn't possibly be for any other reason. Agenda driven rubbish. :shrug:

[lewis111]

Trump was just putting emphasis on peace for everyone and that everyone needs to be respectful etc
Failed to point out that the issue here is the white supremacist
If the issue was the BLM movement he would've pointed that out and talked about how awful they are like he does with Muslims

[GiRTh]

I see this forum's first thoughts following a rally in which Nazis took to the streets shouting "Jews will not replace us" and rammed a car into protesters, killing at least one person, are "well, at least it's not Obama" and "be a bit more specific about the location please"
:thumbs:

[GiRTh]

Trump was just putting emphasis on peace for everyone and that everyone needs to be respectful etc
Failed to point out that the issue here is the white supremacist
If the issue was the BLM movement he would've pointed that out and talked about how awful they are like he does with Muslims:clap1:

[arista]

A person has died after a car hit protesters


Yes
its getting worse.

[Oliver_W]

I'd be interested in reading/hearing about what actually happened in a nonbiased way. I don't trust Twitter, not after a free speech event which was crashed by violent leftists turned into "Nazi Trump rally attendants attack anti-racists"

[MB.]

Multiple Republican senators are now tweeting things along the lines of "this is domestic terrorism", "we need to combat white supremacy" etc (even Farage is in disbelief that there are people doing Nazi salutes in 2017, as if he's totally innocent of fuelling stuff like this). The President, on the other hand? Not only makes sure to emphasise that there's violence "on both sides", but stops mid-speech to talk about what a good job he's doing at reducing unemployment. Prick.

[MB.]

I'd be interested in reading/hearing about what actually happened in a nonbiased way. I don't trust Twitter, not after a free speech event which was crashed by violent leftists turned into "Nazi Trump rally attendants attack anti-racists"

Er, what do you want to read about if it isn't the truth? Hundreds of people are taking to the streets with torches chanting stuff like "Jews will not replace us" and "**** the ******s" and, er, running people over and killing them. Wake up.

[GiRTh]

Multiple Republican senators are now tweeting things along the lines of "this is domestic terrorism", "we need to combat white supremacy" etc (even Farage is in disbelief that there are people doing Nazi salutes in 2017, as if he's totally innocent of fuelling stuff like this). The President, on the other hand? Not only makes sure to emphasise that there's violence "on both sides", but stops mid-speech to talk about what a good job he's doing at reducing unemployment. Prick.He also did not denounce the Nazi element.

[MB.]

(the longer of the censored words there is a homophobic slur, you're welcome)

[arista]

http://e3.365dm.com/17/08/536x302/836367ebf5c3a8d86fcc13ac7026ee293b567dc62e5985c5d1 be69eb35c1e62c_4072347.jpg?20170812194041

[MB.]

He also did not denounce the Nazi element.

"Nothing patriotic about Nazis" - Marco Rubio tonight
"White supremacy crap is worst kind of racism" - Mike Huckabee tonight
"The white supremacists and their bigotry do not represent us; all Americans should condemn this vile hatred" - Jeb Bush tonight
"Woo, unemployment figures" -- Donald Trump tonight

[lewis111]

Er, what do you want to read about if it isn't the truth? Hundreds of people are taking to the streets with torches chanting stuff like "Jews will not replace us" and "**** the ******s" and, er, running people over and killing them. Wake up.

This is probably coming from the same people who defend police when they shoot unarmed black men so it's gonna be impossible to get our point across
Even though they are literally killing people

[MB.]

Former head of the GOP in Virginia with some choice words (beginning with f and ending with uck you) for Trump in the wake of this:

896459578665299968

[lewis111]

"Anyone who cannot name our enemy is not fit to lead this country," Trump said in September (referring to "radical Islamic terrorists").

[arista]

Trump is busy
with NK and Now Venezuela

[lewis111]

Trump is busy
with NK and Now Venezuela

He sound be dealing with the terrorists in his own country

[MB.]

Trump is busy
with NK and Now Venezuela

It takes fewer words to say "I condemn Nazis" than it does to say "there is violence on many sides", arista, don't use that excuse

[arista]

It takes fewer words to say "I condemn Nazis" than it does to say "there is violence on many sides", arista, don't use that excuse

Its no Excuse
Its a FECKING FACT

[arista]

He should be dealing with the terrorists in his own country


GORKA
will deal the mess

[GiRTh]

Trump is busy
with NK and Now VenezuelaHe created both of those issues himself with his crazy rhetoric.

[MB.]

GORKA
will deal the mess

You mean the man who only a few days ago told people to stop criticising white supremacists?

[JTM45]

Gorka is an absolute moron!

I watched an episode of Hardtalk with an interview with him the other night and he was a complete joke (no surprise). He was saying what a great hire Trump made when he employed Scaramucci...............and Trump then fired him two days later.

[MB.]

Its no Excuse
Its a FECKING FACT

And so is what I said

[Oliver_W]

Er, what do you want to read about if it isn't the truth? Hundreds of people are taking to the streets with torches chanting stuff like "Jews will not replace us" and "**** the ******s" and, er, running people over and killing them. Wake up.

If someone was blocking my car while they/others were attacking it, I'd run them over too. As for the rest, they're clearly scumbags.

[MB.]

...jfc

[JTM45]

If someone was blocking my car while they/others were attacking it, I'd run them over too. As for the rest, they're clearly scumbags.


Valuing material possesions over human life..............a slippery slope!

[lewis111]

If someone was blocking my car while they/others were attacking it, I'd run them over too. As for the rest, they're clearly scumbags.

They went out of their way to kill people who were against them - no one was blocking any car. Did you see how fast it drove into them
It's literally no different at all to a member of ISIS killing innocent people
Are you saying you support that tol then?

[lewis111]

I'm a bit dissappointed and shocked there's not more of a discussion on this on here - it's a massive issue that's literally happening as we speak with so many underlaying issues within it but it seems to be getting ignored

[JTM45]

I'm a bit dissappointed and shocked there's not more of a discussion on this on here - it's a massive issue that's literally happening as we speak with so many underlaying issues within it but it seems to be getting ignored

The people who should be talking about it have too much 'face' to loose in a topic like this.
By tomorrow they'll be claiming it was all a set-up by ''extreme leftists'' or some other usual rubbish.

[Tom4784]

It's an act of terrorism, simple as.

A bunch of ignorant racists gathered together because one of their heroes of slavery has been removed from a town because the town doesn't want to celebrate a ****ing slaver. It doesn't surprise me that a terrorist attack occured, Right Wing Terrorism is a growing problem that will only continue to grow because too many people are desperate to pretend it doesn't exist. White people can't be terrorists after all!

[Shaun]

The country's gone to the dogs. A dangerous playground.

[Northern Monkey]

All the crazies are out in America atm.Watching Youtube there's so many protests going on now.We dont hear about them until something awful happens.Tensions are extremely high on both sides.
I half think the cities have a big part to play in alot of this by going around tearing monuments down with tensions as high as they are.It's a political decision which was bound to cause friction.

[JTM45]

White people can't be terrorists after all!

That's exactly it, but instead of denouncing the Fascists & Racists (and risking alienating so many of his supporters) Trump tries to 'spread and minimize' the blame. He's an asshole, as are his 'supporters'.

[Scarlett.]

It's like history repeating itself. Never give these Nazi's an inch.

[bots]

Trump condemned the violence full stop, from both sides. Jeremy Corbyn made a similar statement about Venezuela earlier in the week and yet no-one here felt the need to denounce that stance. Double standards?

[Scarlett.]

Trump condemned the violence full stop, from both sides. Jeremy Corbyn made a similar statement about Venezuela earlier in the week and yet no-one here felt the need to denounce that stance. Double standards?

Of course somehow, someone would bring Jeremy Corbyn into a discussion about American racists.

[JTM45]

Sadly, for Trump, his pathetically weak response to the sutuation (via 'tweet' of course) didn't appease the racists.
''David Duke, the former KKK Grand Wizard who supported Donald Trump during the campaign, tweeted the following reply at Trump: “would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists.” Trump has spent the past two years getting ahead politically by stoking this kind of radical racist hate, but as of today it appears to be finally catching up to him.''

[MB.]

Three people have now died

[Tom4784]

Of course somehow, someone would bring Jeremy Corbyn into a discussion about American racists.

Of course, it's not Serious Debates until the Right try to find a way to mention JC.

[JTM45]

Whereas a decent President would be deeply concerned by this you can bet Trump is hoping that the weather will be good for golf tomorrow and if anyone reminds him about this dire situation he'll probably revert to the ''anything that distracts from my impending downfall/prosecution can't be bad''.
He's probably more worried about not alienating any of the Racist/Neo-Nazis that make up his already pitifully low 36% approval rating.

[Alf]

Terrorist bastard.

I bet it was a leftie, anti-Trump supporter in the car.

Just a guess.

[user104658]

Honestly... the US has such great potential and yet has managed to create such a ****ing mess for itself.

[lewis111]

Terrorist bastard.

I bet it was a leftie, anti-Trump supporter in the car.

Just a guess.

I'm pretty sure it's confirmed it was one of the Nazis
Why would you predict that a liberal would kill someone over a Nazi do you really think they are worse

[MB.]

Also, it wasn't a case of protesters blocking a car (not sure where that idea came from): a car literally accelerated towards a moving crowd of counter-demonstrators and mowed them down

[lewis111]

It fustrates me so so much when people compare Black Lives Matter to the alt right

BLM fight for equality and the movement it's self promotes love and equality
The alt right literally look for hate and preach it - they believe they are better than other because of a gene that makes their skin different

[Alf]

I'm pretty sure it's confirmed it was one of the Nazis
Why would you predict that a liberal would kill someone over a Nazi do you really think they are worseConfirmed by whom? Let's just wait and see.

And the left ain't liberal, they hate freedom.

[JTM45]

Also, it wasn't a case of protesters blocking a car (not sure where that idea came from): a car literally accelerated towards a moving crowd of counter-demonstrators and mowed them down

I believe it was 'Oliver W' who said he'd do the same if someone was blocking his car. He may have added ''and attacking'' to apparently justify purposely killing people. If it wasn't just made up/assumed then perhaps he got it from an ureliable and incorrect source.

[lewis111]

Confirmed by whom? Let's just wait and see.

And the left ain't liberal, they hate freedom.

Well it was people protesting the March that were targeted so why would ome target themselves
Can we not hate on left wingers right now when there are literally people om the right killing people and saying they want to burn fags and kill blacks and Jews?

[lewis111]

I believe it was 'Oliver W' who said he'd do the same if someone was blocking his car. He may have added ''and attacking'' to apparently justify purposely killing people. If it wasn't just made up/assumed then perhaps he got it from an ureliable and incorrect source.

When you're defending racist homophobic murderers you kinda have to make up stuff to validate your point

[Alf]

Well it was people protesting the March that were targeted so why would ome target themselves
Can we not hate on left wingers right now when there are literally people om the right killing people and saying they want to burn fags and kill blacks and Jews?Maybe mistaken identity, who knows? I'm just taking a guess. Just like you.

[MB.]

Confirmed by whom? Let's just wait and see.

And the left ain't liberal, they hate freedom.

"Let's wait and see" says the man willing to bet that the car that purposefully accelerated towards a moving target (a group of counter-demonstrators) belonged to a counter-demonstrator

[MB.]

Maybe mistaken identity, who knows? I'm just taking a guess. Just like you.

I mean, when your strongest guess is "mistaken identity" rather than "maybe the group walking the streets chanting about how they want to kill another group actually tried to do exactly that", that's a hell of a lot of effort to defend Nazis

[lewis111]

Maybe mistaken identity, who knows? I'm just taking a guess. Just like you.

A more educated guess would be that the literally Nazi targeted the people protesting against them
But as you said it's not 100% confirmed yet so i could be made to look stupid but I highly doubt it

[Alf]

Who's defending Nazis? They're scum, whom both my Grandfathers fought against, why would I defend them?

[MB.]

Who's defending Nazis? They're scum, whom both my Grandfathers fought against, why would I defend them?

Then why would you automatically assume that it was a "leftie, anti-Trump supporter" and not a white supremacist or a Nazi?

[Alf]

Then why would you automatically assume that it was a "leftie, anti-Trump supporter" and not a white supremacist or a Nazi?Current form.

[MB.]

(oh, I guess chanting "blood and soil" and doing Hitler salutes at a rally makes you a Nazi now, etc etc)

[JTM45]

It's a known fact that Trump was (and still is) supported during his campaign by members of the KKK and Neo-Nazi groups.

Sebastian Gorka has Neo-Nazi links and he's a deputy assistant to Trump in the White House.

Trump's failure to specifically speak out against these groups speaks volumes.

[MB.]

The additional two fatalities were caused by a police helicopter crash

[JTM45]

The additional two fatalities were caused by a police helicopter crash

Extreme Leftist Police ?

[Alf]

It's a known fact that Trump was (and still is) supported during his campaign by members of the KKK and Neo-Nazi groups.

Sebastian Gorka has Neo-Nazi links and he's a deputy assistant to Trump in the White House.

Trump's failure to specifically speak out against these groups speaks volumes.Well he did last year.

I know it won't be good enough for you, but I'll post it anyway.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/index.html

[JTM45]

The driver of the car is in Police custody apparently.

From The Independent;

Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer, who confirmed one person had been killed, said he was disappointed the white nationalists had descended on his town and blamed President Donald Trump for inflaming racial prejudices with his campaign last year.

"I'm not going to make any bones about it. I place the blame for a lot of what you're seeing in America today right at the doorstep of the White House and the people around the president," he said.

[arista]

Helicopter crashed
sad.

[JTM45]

Scumbag mowed his car into innocent people.
Sad.:facepalm:

[smudgie]

Scumbag mowed his car into innocent people.
Sad.:facepalm:

Murdering bstd.
So much hate in this world today.

[Scarlett.]

It's time to ditch the names for these ****ers and called them what they are, not Alt Right, not Neo Nazis.

They're ****ing Nazis, they spread hate for people who aren't like them, give them half a chance they'd commit genocide. Their rise needs to be halted, Trump needs to ****ing address this problem and not skirt around it.

[JTM45]

There's many from both parties calling out these people for what they are and saying that there's no place in America for them yet Trump himself so far refuses to do so.

He's not a leader in any sense of the word and is a prime example of greed and corruption at its very worst.
In his latest tweet he says ''best regards to all of those injured, in Charlottesville, Virginia''. ''Best Regards''..............really ?

[iRyan]

I grew up in Charlottesville, this is so shocking to me

[Liberty4eva]

It's time to ditch the names for these ****ers and called them what they are, not Alt Right, not Neo Nazis.

They're ****ing Nazis, they spread hate for people who aren't like them, give them half a chance they'd commit genocide. Their rise needs to be halted, Trump needs to ****ing address this problem and not skirt around it.

They were Americans protesting the removal of the Robert E Lee statue. It would have been peaceful (and largely ignored) if it wasn't for the violent leftists that always go to these events to provoke violence.

BTW, Robert E Lee was not just a Virginian and Southern hero, he was an American hero beloved by North and South. He opposed slavery and secession but couldn't stand by idle as his state Virginia was being invaded by northerners.

[Scarlett.]

They were Americans protesting the removal of the Robert E Lee statue. It would have been peaceful (and largely ignored) if it wasn't for the violent leftists that always go to these events to provoke violence.

BTW, Robert E Lee was not just a Virginian and Southern hero, he was an American hero beloved by North and South. He opposed slavery and secession but couldn't stand by idle as his state Virginia was being invaded by northerners.

You talk about violent leftists on the day a Nazi ran over protesters in your own county?

[Liberty4eva]

You talk about violent leftists on the day a Nazi ran over protesters in your own county?

The left overwhelmingly is the source of most of the violence during these events. Does this mean all violence comes from them? No. Today was the rare exception.

[JTM45]

They were Americans protesting the removal of the Robert E Lee statue. It would have been peaceful (and largely ignored) if it wasn't for the violent leftists that always go to these events to provoke violence.

BTW, Robert E Lee was not just a Virginian and Southern hero, he was an American hero beloved by North and South. He opposed slavery and secession but couldn't stand by idle as his state Virginia was being invaded by northerners.

If it ''would have been peacefull'' why were the White Supremicists/Nazi's (call them what you will) carrying assault rifles ?
The ''violent leftist'' thing is just an attempt to distract from the real aggressors again. Trump and his sheepish followers rely heavily on distraction because , if Trump is to be believed, they're largely uneducated (he ''loves the uneducated''. His words........really!).

[Tom4784]

You talk about violent leftists on the day a Nazi ran over protesters in your own county?

Anything to avoid dealing with the truth.

[Scarlett.]

The left overwhelmingly is the source of most of the violence during these events. Does this mean all violence comes from them? No. Today was the rare exception.

You do realise you are defending a Nazi militia?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/12/23/4331E52400000578-4783914-Several_Nazi_flags_were_seen_proudly_raised_during _the_controver-a-1_1502575625628.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/12/23/4331F60C00000578-4783914-A_white_supremacist_stands_behind_militia_members_ after_he_scuff-a-4_1502575625754.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/12/23/4334DB1D00000578-4783914-They_were_gathered_because_right_wing_blogger_Jaso n_Kessler_plan-a-2_1502575625651.jpg

[Liberty4eva]

You do realise you are defending a Nazi militia?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/12/23/4331E52400000578-4783914-Several_Nazi_flags_were_seen_proudly_raised_during _the_controver-a-1_1502575625628.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/12/23/4331F60C00000578-4783914-A_white_supremacist_stands_behind_militia_members_ after_he_scuff-a-4_1502575625754.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/12/23/4334DB1D00000578-4783914-They_were_gathered_because_right_wing_blogger_Jaso n_Kessler_plan-a-2_1502575625651.jpg

Nazi this! Nazi that! Can you engage in a civilized debate without using this word? I also resent the label "white supremacist" for anyone who opposes the cultural marxists cleansing the history of the USA.

[Scarlett.]

Nazi this! Nazi that! Can you engage in a civilized debate without using this word? I also resent the label "white supremacist" for anyone who opposes the cultural marxists cleansing the history of the USA.

They kinda brought the label on themselves, and sorry but no, I'm not gonna respect Nazis

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/12/23/4331E52400000578-4783914-Several_Nazi_flags_were_seen_proudly_raised_during _the_controver-a-1_1502575625628.jpg

[Jack_]

Cultural Marxists :joker: a buzzword created for people who've never read Marx or any Marxist theorists. I didn't realise I was on Breitbart

Watch and weep

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[jennyjuniper]

It's better than more ''Racist Paedophile Grooming Gangs'' threads or any threads blaming every problem in the World on ''the Muslims''.

Trump, his lack of sense and intellect and the right-wing dumb-asses who believe a word of his self-serving lies should be a great concern to everyone...........until he's removed from office at least. Trump's provided them with the ignorant, ill-informed mouthpiece they've long craved and since he's been in power all he's done is chipped away at American Democracy and the backbone of America, the constitution. The man HATES democracy.

The real problem Trump and the majority of other Obama haters had was the colour of his skin.

I was and am not a Trump supporter. However those who hate Trump seem to be blinded by their hate and unable to see that Obama was not a good president. Now he really DID seem to hate democracy. His mis-use of public funds and his association with The Muslim Brotherhood is disturbing to say the least.

[jennyjuniper]

Its no Excuse
Its a FECKING FACT

It IS a fact. For months now Antifa the group who supposedly are anti fascist are the most fascists of all. They always go armed and with their faces covered, because they intend to break the law. Antifa were there too. I'm not excusing whoever drove that car. It was a cowardly action, but wherever you see antifa gathered (usually funded by George Soros) there will you find violence also.-

[jennyjuniper]

Terrorist bastard.

I bet it was a leftie, anti-Trump supporter in the car.

Just a guess.

That thought did pass through my mind. I watched a clip last night and although there was a lot of confusion I noticed quite a few people wearing red caps or shirts in the crowd that got hit. Usually Trunmp supporters wear this colour.:shrug:

[jennyjuniper]

It fustrates me so so much when people compare Black Lives Matter to the alt right

BLM fight for equality and the movement it's self promotes love and equality
The alt right literally look for hate and preach it - they believe they are better than other because of a gene that makes their skin different

The trouble is that BLM seems to believe that ONLY black lives matter. Whereas ALL LIVES MATTER.

[jennyjuniper]

Then why would you automatically assume that it was a "leftie, anti-Trump supporter" and not a white supremacist or a Nazi?

Maybe because he likes to see both sides of the story before making up his mind?. It's usually the sensible thing to do, instead of making assumptions without proof.

[JTM45]

That thought did pass through my mind. I watched a clip last night and although there was a lot of confusion I noticed quite a few people wearing red caps or shirts in the crowd that got hit. Usually Trunmp supporters wear this colour.:shrug:

Just passed through but didn't stop to get processed obviously. So much ignorance on display!:facepalm:
60 seconds on google will tell you who was killed by the guy in the car and who the guy in the car was who drove his car at innocent people.

You say you watched the clip so why didn't you bother to actually learn any news from it ? The crowd were counter-protestors who were there to protest against a large 'Nazi/White Supremicist' rally. They were carrying large Nazi/Swastika flags and assault rifles.

Obama was far from perfect but he did more good in his time in office than Donald Trump could even dream of. Trump is now and always has been a corrupt, dishonest, self-serving imbecille. He doesn't even understand the most basic political principles let alone how to run a country!

Please tell us more about Obama's ''mis-use of public funds and his association with The Muslim Brotherhood'' please. I'd love you to share your 'wisdom' with us.

[Withano]

This is absolutely horrendous. I really struggle to relay my thoughts into words at times like these, I just feel disgusted in humanity

[Dominic]

This isn't the fault of "white people" or Trump, but the fault of hate, stupidity and the fact that the country is so polarized. Everyone is so caught up in left vs right, black vs white, and all this label vs label bull**** so much that any sense of humanity and logic have gone out the window. Blanket generalizations serve no purpose here. This is an awful situation to witness. Identity politics is cancer. What an embarrassment.

Racism breeds racism. Hate breeds hate.

[JTM45]

Trump used the Right and purposely played on White Nationalism to get elected. He openly encouraged violence in rallys so how on Earth do you come to the conclusion that he bears no responsability in this ?

[arista]

This is absolutely horrendous. I really struggle to relay my thoughts into words at times like these, I just feel disgusted in humanity


WHY
the feck did the Former President
waste 8 YEARS doing nothing about these people????????

[JTM45]

WHY
the feck did the Former President
waste 8 YEARS doing nothing about these people????????

What are you talking about ?

Obama was busy running the Country.

[Dominic]

It fustrates me so so much when people compare Black Lives Matter to the alt right

BLM fight for equality and the movement it's self promotes love and equality
The alt right literally look for hate and preach it - they believe they are better than other because of a gene that makes their skin different

The message of BLM is that it wants equality, but the way to try to achieve it is vile. The founder of BLM called white people genetic defects, there are videos of black SJWs attacking any white person for being white in BLM rallies and telling people to burn their **** down which is ****ed up.

You shouldn't fight for a cause, by doing the same thing you're fighting against.

[arista]

What are you talking about ?

Obama was busy running the Country.


SO is TRUMP


WHAT ARE you talking about??????????

[JTM45]

SO is TRUMP


WHAT ARE you talking about??????????

Trump is too busy playing golf, which he constantly criticized Obama for doing (much less often).
Trump doesn't understand the essential basics of politics. He is Putin's puppet and nothing else.............and he's even failed on that front.

[Brillopad]

The message of BLM is that it wants equality, but the way to try to achieve it is vile. The founder of BLM called white people genetic defects, there are videos of black SJWs attacking any white person for being white in BLM rallies and telling people to burn their **** down which is ****ed up.

You shouldn't fight for a cause, by doing the same thing you're fighting against.

Wise words Dominic. The founder has exposed himself as being no better, indeed worse than those he accuses. Someone like that is incapable of fighting any such cause.

[arista]

Trump is too busy playing golf, which he constantly criticized Obama for doing (much less often).
Trump doesn't understand the essential basics of politics. He is Putin's puppet and nothing else.............and he's even failed on that front.

BUT ON EVERY NEWS
President Trump
has Condemned this.



The Former 8 Year
President was also on Golf Course during FECK UPS.


JTM - Please get updated

[Cherie]

It's time to ditch the names for these ****ers and called them what they are, not Alt Right, not Neo Nazis.

They're ****ing Nazis, they spread hate for people who aren't like them, give them half a chance they'd commit genocide. Their rise needs to be halted, Trump needs to ****ing address this problem and not skirt around it.

Agree

[Cherie]

I'm a bit dissappointed and shocked there's not more of a discussion on this on here - it's a massive issue that's literally happening as we speak with so many underlaying issues within it but it seems to be getting ignored

This was posted at 10pm on a Saturday night, there are plenty threads in SD that should get more attention but they don't, most people will only post in threads that suit them

[Northern Monkey]

It IS a fact. For months now Antifa the group who supposedly are anti fascist are the most fascists of all. They always go armed and with their faces covered, because they intend to break the law. Antifa were there too. I'm not excusing whoever drove that car. It was a cowardly action, but wherever you see antifa gathered (usually funded by George Soros) there will you find violence also.-

This is very true.I've seen alot of these protests involving them and it always gets violent.The press only seem to jump on these stories when it's right wing extremists and not left wing extremists.

[Northern Monkey]

They kinda brought the label on themselves, and sorry but no, I'm not gonna respect Nazis

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/12/23/4331E52400000578-4783914-Several_Nazi_flags_were_seen_proudly_raised_during _the_controver-a-1_1502575625628.jpg

Scumbags who walk around carrying that flag

[Oliver_W]

I doubt anyone cares, but having looked into it I take back all I said before, these guys were clearly vile racists. Even occasionally questionable outlets like Rebel Media and Louder with Crowder were calling them white supremacists!

And to add to the above, BLM are violent trashbags, regardless of what they claim to be.

[Withano]

WHY
the feck did the Former President
waste 8 YEARS doing nothing about these people????????

I really do understand the desire to shift the blame to somebody you dislike when an atrocity happens, I just dont think its appropriate.

[Oliver_W]

I really do understand the desire to shift the blame to somebody you dislike when an atrocity happens, I just dont think its appropriate.

It's fruitless to blame the current or previous President for this,the blame lays soley on the racists who decided to "protest".

[Liberty4eva]

British press is criticizing Trump for condemning "all sides". It's a heck of a lot more than Obama did when the BLM was destroying property and killing police.

[Livia]

If groups in the US want to spread their poison and kill people who don't agree, now's the time to do it... while you've got a president who couldn't find his arse in the dark with both hands.

How shocking is it to see someone carrying a Nazi flag and calling themselves patriots.

[GiRTh]

BUT ON EVERY NEWS
President Trump
has Condemned this.



The Former 8 Year
President was also on Golf Course during FECK UPS.


JTM - Please get updatedIn six months Trump has played Golf twice as much as Obama in the same time period. Which is a bit rich considering Trump used to constantly criticise Obama for playing too much golf.

Who plays more golf: Donald Trump or Barack Obama? (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/17/who-plays-more-golf-donald-trump-or-barack-obama/)

[Tom4784]

If a person of arabic descent drove a car into a crowd they'd be instantly and rightfully denounced as a terrorist but when a white Nazi does it the blame gets deflected onto a movement for black civil rights that have nothing to do with this incident. Just goes to show how many people think that white people can't be terrorists, how short a memory they have.

Some people are just blinded by their own bigotry.

[Samm]

it's sad that trump has turned back time and nazi's are now even allowed to have a protest in america

[JTM45]

It's now been confirmed that the driver of the car who injured many and killed a woman by driving into them was a hate-fuelled Racist scumbag called James Alex Fields.
I know the majority of people would have worked this out for themselves but there was a couple of people who posted knowingly stupid comments here insinuating that it was probably ''a leftie'' that was responsible for the death, even when there was a city full of armed Nazi's in the equation.:bored:

[Tom4784]

It's now been confirmed that the driver of the car who injured many and killed a woman by driving into them was a hate-fuelled Racist scumbag called James Alex Fields.
I know the majority of people would have worked this out for themselves but there was a couple of people who posted knowingly stupid comments here insinuating that it was probably ''a leftie'' that was responsible for the death, even when there was a city full of armed Nazi's in the equation.:bored:

Never underestimate the power of white bigot's denial.

[Alf]

Never underestimate the power of white bigot's denial.I was the one that JTM45 is talking about, so are you calling me a White bigot?

[arista]

White House: 'Of course' Donald Trump condemns white supremacists

http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-condemns-white-supremacists-after-criticism-10987188

see Girth
new UPDATE
stop spinning

[arista]

it's sad that trump has turned back time and nazi's are now even allowed to have a protest in america


PLEASE CHECK
the Updated NEWS.............

[arista]

Trump is too busy playing golf, which he constantly criticized Obama for doing (much less often).
Trump doesn't understand the essential basics of politics. He is Putin's puppet and nothing else.............and he's even failed on that front.


You do not know what you are talking about
sadly you ignore UPDATED news

[JTM45]

That is just the slightly more aware people at the White House clearing up the mess Trump has left in his ignorant wake yet again!

He still doesn't want to personally speak out against these vile people because they are amongst his rapidly dwindling support base. If he wanted to he would but he hasn't.

[GiRTh]

White House: 'Of course' Donald Trump condemns white supremacists

http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-condemns-white-supremacists-after-criticism-10987188

see Girth
new UPDATE
stop spinningHe personally hasnt said anyhting of the sort.

Trump silent as aides look to explain his vague Charlottesville statement (http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/13/politics/trump-silent-aides-charlottesville/index.html)

[Kizzy]

Well, nazi riots and imminent nuclear disaster within a year? I wish I had put a tenner on this as soon as trump won the election.

[Alf]

These are just the small rumblings at the start.

If collectivism and Identity politics isn't stopped, It's gonna get much, much worse.

[Tom4784]

I was the one that JTM45 is talking about, so are you calling me a White bigot?

You are rarely a thought in my mind so no.

[Alf]

You are rarely a thought in my mind so no.You do know that if you call everyone who doesn't agree with you a bigot, then there's going to be bigots everywhere? Because everywhere in life, you will find people that don't agree with you.

[JTM45]

Yeah, the chances of anyone being able to do such a truly pathetic job of running the US seemed so unlikely it would have seemed like wasted money but Tump really has surprised even those who knew what an inept loser he was but at least expected him to give the job his all. Perhaps he did and ''his all'' is just really very little indeed.
Only to be expected from a fellonous coward and habitual draft dodger who makes fun of the disabled, lusts after his own daughter and boasts about his 'celebrity' giving him the right to sexually assault women! With all the evidence that's out there people really should have known what to expect from this disgraceful creature.

[Tom4784]

You do know that if you call everyone who doesn't agree with you a bigot, then there's going to be bigots everywhere? Because everywhere in life, you will find people that don't agree with you.

I have no problem calling Nazis bigots.

[Alf]

I have no problem calling Nazis bigots.It doesn't really achieve anything though does it? apart from make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

The problem you should be thinking about is, why have they been gaining ground in the past 10+ years? What is the root cause?

[GiRTh]

It doesn't really achieve anything though does it? apart from make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

The problem you should be thinking about is, why have they been gaining ground in the past 10+ years? What is the root cause?Is this the bit where you blame everything on political correctness?

I disagree with the bit in bold, I dont think they ever went away and one of the things that has stunned me about the driver was the fact that he was only twenty. Ten years ago what could he have possibly known about these issues?

[Tom4784]

It doesn't really achieve anything though does it? apart from make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

The problem you should be thinking about is, why have they been gaining ground in the past 10+ years? What is the root cause?

Ah, is this the part when you try to place blame for right wing terrorism on the left? Typical.

Anything to avoid calling a spade a spade.

[Alf]

Is this the bit where you blame everything on political correctness?

I disagree with the bit in bold, I dont think they ever went away and one of the things that has stunned me about the driver was the fact that he was only twenty. Ten years ago what could he have possibly known about these issues?Nah, I wouldn't say Political correctness is the root. I'd say collectivism is. Political correctness is just a symptom of that.

[GiRTh]

Nah, I wouldn't say Political correctness is the root. I'd say collectivism is. Political correctness is just a symptom of that.I knew there was some blame coming I only picked the wrong victim. :shrug:

[Scarlett.]

It doesn't really achieve anything though does it? apart from make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

The problem you should be thinking about is, why have they been gaining ground in the past 10+ years? What is the root cause?

The internet, it let small minded bigots find other small minded bigots, and then allowed them to build a little echo chamber to fool themselves into thinking they're right.

I still don't understand why people like to blame Leftists for Ultra Far-Right Nazi violence. Blame the ****ing Nazis.

[jennyjuniper]

The internet, it let small minded bigots find other small minded bigots, and then allowed them to build a little echo chamber to fool themselves into thinking they're right.

I still don't understand why people like to blame Leftists for Ultra Far-Right Nazi violence. Blame the ****ing Nazis.

Do you mean Leftists like antifa? Who are aggressive and destructive and act just like fascists, yet insist that it's patriots who are the fascists?

[JTM45]

Do you mean Leftists like antifa? Who are aggressive and destructive and act just like fascists, yet insist that it's patriots who are the fascists?

Who exactly are these 'patriots' ? They're ****ing far-right Nazi scum!!! Nothing 'patriotic' about that. :shrug:

[jennyjuniper]

The message of BLM is that it wants equality, but the way to try to achieve it is vile. The founder of BLM called white people genetic defects, there are videos of black SJWs attacking any white person for being white in BLM rallies and telling people to burn their **** down which is ****ed up.

You shouldn't fight for a cause, by doing the same thing you're fighting against.

I agree. This is a common thread with many of the Leftist groups. Feminists for example scream about white male 'rape culture' yet never say a word about the real rape culture, which is islam, where women can be beaten just for refusing sex with their husbands. Or little girls having their genitals mutilated. Yet these are two huge crimes against women.
As for antifa, the biggest hypocrites ever, who go around calling patriots nazi's and fascists. They are the biggest fascists going. At many of the rallies, THEY are the ones with weapons, who start violence first and cause chaos wherever they go.

[jennyjuniper]

Who exactly are these 'patriots' ? They're ****ing far-right Nazi scum!!! Nothing 'patriotic' about that. :shrug:

No. I mean patriots like myself, who care about my country. Who want the best for it. I have never and will never advocate violence towards anyone. Can Leftist groups like BLM and antifa say the same?

[Scarlett.]

So much Whataboutism taking place in this thread. A Nazi drives into a crowd of people, injuring dozens of people and killing one. Yet all I'm seeing is "What about Antifa" "What about BLM" "What about Obama"

What about the fact that somehow people are equating Nazism with patriotism?

[Scarlett.]

No. I mean patriots like myself, who care about my country. Who want the best for it. I have never and will never advocate violence towards anyone. Can Leftist groups like BLM and antifa say the same?

I honestly don't understand this response. A car crashed into people, and the only response white wing posters can be bothered with is is "WHAT ABOUT BLM DOE, SOME OF THEM DO VIOLENCE" Yes, some do, however, it was a white supremacist who commited a terror attack yestereday, in an American town, against non-violent protesters. Yes, we know that posters on here aren't Nazis, but we expect you to have some what of a normal human response to the murder of an innocent woman who was protesting against White Supremacists. I mean its a no ****ing brainer for ****s sake.

[Nicky91]

all Trump's fault :fist: :fist:

[Liberty4eva]

all Trump's fault :fist: :fist:

I'm 70% sure this was sarcasm. :hee:

[bots]

The USA has had a problem with empowered extremists for decades. Its not a new phenomena. Its a bi-product of having free speech, and the means to commit atrocities with the click of a finger.

Of course Nazi extremism should be outlawed, it shouldn't even be up for debate, and really, why are people getting upset with Trump. He was voted in by the American people as the "best" option for the job. It is what it is. If people don't like his performance he will be booted out come the next election if not before. Maybe next time they will get half decent candidates to represent them.

[DemolitionRed]

It doesn't really achieve anything though does it? apart from make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

The problem you should be thinking about is, why have they been gaining ground in the past 10+ years? What is the root cause?

Its all about power shift. We've seen these creatures before in Greece and Rome, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, fascist Italy and former Yugoslavia. This is exactly what happened to old societies and its happening to us now.

As for the U.S, racist, violent and despotic forces have always been a part of the American landscape. Throughout American history, we've seen such people tolerated and even empowered by the state to persecute. What we are witnessing and the reason this mould is growing is because of the recent power shift. When democratic institutions cease to function, when the consent of the government becomes a joke, despots fill the political void.

[DemolitionRed]

The USA has had a problem with empowered extremists for decades. Its not a new phenomena. Its a bi-product of having free speech, and the means to commit atrocities with the click of a finger.

Of course Nazi extremism should be outlawed, it shouldn't even be up for debate, and really, why are people getting upset with Trump. He was voted in by the American people as the "best" option for the job. It is what it is. If people don't like his performance he will be booted out come the next election if not before. Maybe next time they will get half decent candidates to represent them.

Its nothing to do with free speech! These white supremacists are enemies of democracy.... Scavenges without inhibition.

[Livia]

The USA has had a problem with empowered extremists for decades. Its not a new phenomena. Its a bi-product of having free speech, and the means to commit atrocities with the click of a finger.

Of course Nazi extremism should be outlawed, it shouldn't even be up for debate, and really, why are people getting upset with Trump. He was voted in by the American people as the "best" option for the job. It is what it is. If people don't like his performance he will be booted out come the next election if not before. Maybe next time they will get half decent candidates to represent them.

Agree with this post, especially the bit in bold. All extremists should be outlawed.

[Tom4784]

It says a lot when people are more concerned with the use of the word 'bigot' and if it applies to the nazi terrorist in question then they are with the fact that they've murdered someone.

[Alf]

It says a lot when people are more concerned with the use of the word 'bigot' and if it applies to the nazi terrorist in question then they are with the fact that they've murdered someone. He's a terrorist scumbag, just call him that.

That's what we call the people who killed the 112 people in Europe last year, by running them over with trucks and cars.

Every person on Earth is bigoted in some way in life, but we're not all terrorists.

[jennyjuniper]

I honestly don't understand this response. A car crashed into people, and the only response white wing posters can be bothered with is is "WHAT ABOUT BLM DOE, SOME OF THEM DO VIOLENCE" Yes, some do, however, it was a white supremacist who commited a terror attack yestereday, in an American town, against non-violent protesters. Yes, we know that posters on here aren't Nazis, but we expect you to have some what of a normal human response to the murder of an innocent woman who was protesting against White Supremacists. I mean its a no ****ing brainer for ****s sake.

Then why not just denounce the scumbag who killed that lady, instead of classing him with a whole group of people? He may or may not have belonged to a white supremist group, or he could just have been a nutjob who had his own agenda? This blaming a race/group for the actions of one person is what's wrong.

[user104658]

He may or may not have belonged to a white supremist group, or he could just have been a nutjob who had his own agenda? This blaming a race/group for the actions of one person is what's wrong.

Err yeah guys let's not go tarring all white supremacists with the same brush... it's wrong to blame the nice, friendly white supremacists for the actions of the bad white supremacists.

:umm2:...

[DemolitionRed]

Err yeah guys let's not go tarring all white supremacists with the same brush...


How I laughed :hehe:

[Scarlett.]

Then why not just denounce the scumbag who killed that lady, instead of classing him with a whole group of people? He may or may not have belonged to a white supremist group, or he could just have been a nutjob who had his own agenda? This blaming a race/group for the actions of one person is what's wrong.

Because the same groups have commited numerous acts.

[Liberty4eva]

It seems so clear to me that the Black Lives Matter were the ones trying to provoke a fight in this video. For those too patient go to about the 5:30 minute mark that's when things get brutal.

_TWCEV5U09c

[Northern Monkey]

They're just as bad as antifa who were apparently pulling knives on people.From what i heard the Unite The Right protest was apparently legal.They had a permit for it but leftist groups were trying to get it shut down by turning it violent.Then that crazy white nationalist did what he did.Crazy over there atm.

[Oliver_W]

There are no good people in this video.

[Liberty4eva]

ENrBPumkqoo

I think there might be something to this. If the driver wanted to cause the most deaths why drive into the back of a car? Driving directly into the crowd would have maximized deaths. But driving into the back minimizes deaths and maximizes the possibility that the driver will be hurt. It doesn't make sense.

[JTM45]

Keep looking to excuse the scummy racist murderer !

If he panicked and it was accidental he would have been charged with, at most, 'vehicular manslaughter' (i believe that's the term they use in the US).
He wasn't. He's was charged with second degree murder and attempting to flee the scene.

The ''baseball bat'' thing is his main 'evidence' yet it's clearly a jacket and the driver had already accelerated down the street initially by this point (which can be seenin the other viewpoint videos). That's why the person swings his jacket at the car in an attempt to slow him down.

[Samm]

why do you keep supporting nazi's scum

[Nicky91]

Team Black Lives Matter :flutter:

[Kizzy]

When there are factions seeking to oppress, repress or suppress you would think it would be the duty of civilised societies to address those, yet the alt right grows and grows is it any wonder there are counter factions forming to hit back?...
I'm not condoning violence on either side make no mistake yet it has to be said it was only a matter of time before a counter offensive was formed who are willing to use the same tactics and or violence.

[jaxie]

I fear that due to recent terrorism, driving cars into people is becoming a trend for anyone with anger and agenda. Now the idea is out there this will happen again and again.

[Cherie]

I fear that due to recent terrorism, driving cars into people is becoming a trend for anyone with anger and agenda. Now the idea is out there this will happen again and again.
.

.

[GiRTh]

There are no good people in this video.:clap1:

[Tom4784]

Imagine trying to justify supporting nazis.

[Kizzy]

The courts will decide, that said why have the car in gear and accelerate at all?

[Northern Monkey]

I'd say highly unlikely.Why would anybody be driving towards a protest in the first place?

[Northern Monkey]

I don't think this justifies Nazis.I don't think most of the right wing protesters there were Nazis or KKK but right wing who were protesting the removal of the monuments.Just as many of the left there weren't from BLM and Antifa.
The extreme arseholes(right and left)turned up and turned the whole thing into a disgraceful scene.

[Alf]

Totally agree with the last two posts of Kizzy and NM.

[arista]

There are no good people in this video.


Yes also its America


FECK ALL TO DO WITH UK

[Shaun]

:joker: not surprised this OP is trying to excuse the driver's actions. Probably built a shrine for him.

[GiRTh]

Charlottesville violence: Fourth executive exits Trump council

A fourth executive has quit Donald Trump's American Manufacturing Council amid criticism of the president's response to a violent rally.

Alliance for American Manufacturing president Scott Paul said on Twitter he was stepping down "because it's the right thing for me to do".

He follows Intel's Brian Krzanich, Under Armour head Kevin Plank and Merck's Ken Frazier.

A woman died when a car rammed into protesters in Virginia on Saturday.

Mr Trump was widely rebuked for his initial response for not specifically denouncing the far right, instead ascribing blame to "many sides".

Bowing to pressure, the president issued a statement on Monday calling the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis and white supremacists "repugnant" to everything Americans held dear.

"Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs," he told reporters.

He tweeted on Tuesday: "For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!"

Mr Plank sent out a tweet on Monday condemning racism.

"We are saddened by #Charlottesville. There is no place for racism or discrimination in this world. We choose love & unity."

Ten hours later Mr Plank released another statement on Under Armour's Twitter account announcing his resignation from the advisory body.

"I love our country and our company and will continue to focus my efforts on inspiring every person that they can do anything through the power of sport which promotes unity, diversity and inclusion."

Soon after, Mr Krzanich announced in a blog post on Intel's website that he too was leaving the council "to call attention to the serious harm our divided political climate is causing to critical issues, including the serious need to address the decline of American manufacturing".

"Politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding America's manufacturing base."

In an earlier tweet, he had also said "there should be no hesitation in condemning hate speech or white supremacy by name".

Both men in the past have expressed some admiration for Mr Trump.

Their resignations followed the departure of Ken Frazier, the head of drugs giant Merck, and one of only a handful of black leaders of Fortune 500 companies, on Monday morning.

Mr Frazier said: "I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism."

"America's leaders must honour our fundamental views by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal."

In response, Mr Trump tweeted that Mr Frazier would now have "more time to lower rip off drug prices".

In January, Mr Trump had called on pharmaceutical companies to cut "astronomical" drug prices.

Other company heads have previously stepped down from presidential advisory councils in protest at Mr Trump's policies.

Former Uber chief executive Travis Kalanick left the Business Advisory Council in February over the Trump administration's immigration policies.

Tesla's chief executive Elon Musk and Walt Disney's chief executive Robert Iger left the President's Strategic and Policy Forum in June, after Mr Trump said he would withdraw from the Paris climate accord.

Mr Musk also left the manufacturing council.

Charlottesville violence: Fourth executive exits Trump council (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40933391)

Took Trump 54 minutes to criticise Mercx CEO Ken Fasier when he resigned from the council yesterday, yet took Trump 2 days to effectively criticise the Nazi element at the rally on Saturday. Judging by his latest tweets Trump seems to imply he made his 2nd statement to keep people happy and complains they still are not happy.

Now two more have gone and Trump has again been quick to criticise them. When he's motivated he doesnt hesitate to take to twitter and attack. Why did it take two days to criticise the Nazi elemnt at the rally? :shrug:

[Greg!]

I'd say highly unlikely.Why would anybody be driving towards a protest in the first place?

Because they're racist and it was intentional?

[Kizzy]

I'd say highly unlikely.Why would anybody be driving towards a protest in the first place?

You may if you were using your car as a weapon, as has been seen in other terrorist incidents.

[Northern Monkey]

You may if you were using your car as a weapon, as has been seen in other terrorist incidents.

That's what i was implying but the threads have all been messed up and merged together so they don't make sense:laugh:

[lewis111]

Trump has made another statement saying both sides are to blame in this case even using the phrase "alt-left"
What the actual ****

NO DIFFERENT to a president saying "Americams are also to blame for Muslim Extremists or 9/11"

[GiRTh]

Both sides to blame in Virginia - Trump (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40943425)

He again fails to name Heather Heyer as the person killed. Whatever your political views surely we can all condemn the person who killed that young lady but once again he's failed to do it. He's absolutely ******ing this up. Clueless.

[Liberty4eva]

Trump has made another statement saying both sides are to blame in this case even using the phrase "alt-left"
What the actual ****

NO DIFFERENT to a president saying "Americams are also to blame for Muslim Extremists or 9/11"

Technically we are also to blame. We supported Israel's terrorism and condoned their ethnic cleansing of Palestine and had soldiers in their holy lands. But, most crucially, we let them in when we didn't have to. We can thank the Jews and their useful liberal idiots for that. We shouldn't be letting any Muslims in unless we know beyond doubt that they are coming for the right reasons.

[lewis111]

Technically we are also to blame. We supported Israel's terrorism and condoned their ethnic cleansing of Palestine and had soldiers in their holy lands. But, most crucially, we let them in when we didn't have to. We can thank the Jews and their useful liberal idiots for that. We shouldn't be letting any Muslims in unless we know beyond doubt that they are coming for the right reasons.

Yea I know that's the opinion of the majority - however - you'd be shocked to hear a president say it and they'd be rightfully cautioned for saying it depending on how they worded it I suppose

[lewis111]

My main issue here is that
This wasn't alt-right vs alt-left or Nazis vs BLM or any movement

This was Nazis vs people who aren't racist or hate Nazis - like almost the entire population

So to blame the alt left is ridiculous. PEOPLE - everyday normal people - are fed up of these Nazis being aloud to preach tbis violence and hate so went against it - and so what if they get a bit violent I'm sure we can all agree if someone who wants you to literally die because of your skin colour was being aggresive towards you you would get violent too

[GiRTh]

There comes a point where a President needs to realise he is President of the whole nation and not just the people who voted for him. Obama wasnt great at this, but Trump is many times worse. Republican leaders need to stand up and show him this is not how to make America great again.

[Samm]

are we really surprised he's siding with nazi's, this is all going to stop him from winning his second term anyway

[JTM45]

Technically we are also to blame. We supported Israel's terrorism and condoned their ethnic cleansing of Palestine and had soldiers in their holy lands. But, most crucially, we let them in when we didn't have to. We can thank the Jews and their useful liberal idiots for that. We shouldn't be letting any Muslims in unless we know beyond doubt that they are coming for the right reasons.

The part i 'bolded' i wholeheartedly agree with but after that you revert to nonsense again.
''we let them in''. Everyone in the US is technically ''them'' apart from the relatively small population of native americans. You're all relatively recent immigrants and there's people who are descendents of other nationalities/religions who have killed far more people than Muslims or 'Middle-Eastern' immigrants have and do.
Apart from the questionable 9/11 the deaths from immigrant terrorists in the US is very small in the US every year, particularly compared to the number of people killed by US citizens!

[Jack_]

Technically we are also to blame. We supported Israel's terrorism and condoned their ethnic cleansing of Palestine and had soldiers in their holy lands. But, most crucially, we let them in when we didn't have to. We can thank the Jews and their useful liberal idiots for that.

You know, for someone on the right this is a very conflicting opinion.

[Liberty4eva]

You know, for someone on the right this is a very conflicting opinion.

I don't think so (obviously). The Zionists corrupted what it means to be "right".

[arista]

are we really surprised he's siding with nazi's, this is all going to stop him from winning his second term anyway


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Trump Hates the Nazi's
F. FACT

[arista]

Trump
WON
because H. Clinton FECKED UP
insulting HALF of the USA

F.FACT

[jennyjuniper]

I don't see anyone blaming Antifa here. Antifa, funded by George Soros, who openly states that he wants to bring Trump down. Is no-one questioning why the police were told to stand down, when the situation was obviously a tinder box just waiting for a spark?

[JTM45]

I don't see anyone blaming Antifa here. Antifa, funded by George Soros, who openly states that he wants to bring Trump down. Is no-one questioning why the police were told to stand down, when the situation was obviously a tinder box just waiting for a spark?

Who did Antifa kill in Charlotesville ? That's right, NOBODY, unlike the Nazi far-right neanderthals that you repeatedly keep trying to make excuses for. Our country fought to defeat the evil of the Nazi's during WWII and here you are making excuses for them.:bored:

Trump NEEDS to be brought down ASAP!!! He's a racist, Nazi loving, incompetent moron who's destroying America! Even his own Party have had enough of him and are openly condemning his actions now.
If anyone does want to bring him down the better hurry up because he's going to bring himself down before they have the chance. His approval rating is the lowest in history and it's got there in a record 8 months!
Robert Mueller is preparing his case against him as we speak. He has a huge team of prosecutors and lawyers in place ready and has just put together a Grand Jury in preparation. If there were no charges coming they'd be uneccessary.
He'll be lucky to survive 'til the end of this year and his removal and prosecution just can't come fast enough!

[JTM45]

Trump
WON
because H. Clinton FECKED UP
insulting HALF of the USA

F.FACT

What the hell does ''FECKED UP'' mean ?

Trump won because of Russian interference...............plain and simple! Wake up and smell the fake tan.:laugh:

[Alf]

Who did Antifa kill in Charlotesville ? That's right, NOBODY, unlike the Nazi far-right neanderthals that you repeatedly keep trying to make excuses for. Our country fought to defeat the evil of the Nazi's during WWII and here you are making excuses for them.:bored:

Trump NEEDS to be brought down ASAP!!! He's a racist, Nazi loving, incompetent moronwho's destroying America! Even his own Party have had enough of him and are openly condemning his actions now.
If anyone does want to bring him down the better hurry up because he's going to bring himself down before they have the chance. His approval rating is the lowest in history and it's got there in a record 8 months!
Robert Mueller is preparing his case against him as we speak. He has a huge team of prosecutors and lawyers in place ready and has just put together a Grand Jury in preparation. If there were no charges coming they'd be uneccessary.
He'll be lucky to survive 'til the end of this year and his removal and prosecution just can't come fast enough!Amazing that's he's been in the public eye for most of his life, and only now when he's a pensioner in his 70s, does this revelation come out.

I get the feeling if he didn't win the election, these revelations wouldn't enter anybody's mind. Anybody else get that feeling?

[JTM45]

It's been known for a long time! His incompetence is demonstrated on a daily basis. He was also supported by KKK leaders during his campaign.
His father was a known racist and was even arrested along with several other KKK members when they attacked Police during a riot at a Clan gathering in 1927.

I'm sure you're aware that he's known as a felon and con-man in his home state of New York and is referred to as 'Don the Con'.

He has been accused of having sexual relations with underage girls and many girls who worked at the Miss World Pageants that he ran have accused him of innapropriate behaviour and walking into dressing rooms unannounced where underage girls were changing. He has repeatedly made comments about how sexually attractive he finds his daughter.
There were at least 10 women who had documented claims of sexual assault against him.
He alsododged the draft on many occasions by getting Doctors to say he had ''bonespurs''.

So you were under the impression that he was a good man were you? A bastion of society ?
Sorry to break it to you but he's scum.:shrug:

[GiRTh]

Charlottesville: Donald Trump quietly slashed funds to groups fighting white supremacy months ago (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/charlottesville-latest-donald-trump-slashed-funds-groups-fighting-white-supremacy-rally-riot-a7894271.html)

[Kizzy]

Charlottesville: Donald Trump quietly slashed funds to groups fighting white supremacy months ago (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/charlottesville-latest-donald-trump-slashed-funds-groups-fighting-white-supremacy-rally-riot-a7894271.html)

Well well well... and nobody anywhere was surprised.

[Brillopad]

Who did Antifa kill in Charlotesville ? That's right, NOBODY, unlike the Nazi far-right neanderthals that you repeatedly keep trying to make excuses for. Our country fought to defeat the evil of the Nazi's during WWII and here you are making excuses for them.:bored:

Trump NEEDS to be brought down ASAP!!! He's a racist, Nazi loving, incompetent moron who's destroying America! Even his own Party have had enough of him and are openly condemning his actions now.
If anyone does want to bring him down the better hurry up because he's going to bring himself down before they have the chance. His approval rating is the lowest in history and it's got there in a record 8 months!
Robert Mueller is preparing his case against him as we speak. He has a huge team of prosecutors and lawyers in place ready and has just put together a Grand Jury in preparation. If there were no charges coming they'd be uneccessary.
He'll be lucky to survive 'til the end of this year and his removal and prosecution just can't come fast enough!

I note you added who did they kill in Charlottesville so assume they have killed elsewhere.

As stated already the far right group had permission for an organised demonstration. If Antifa had not gone there with the obvious intent to cause trouble no-one would have been killed. Although the person that drove the car is ultimately responsible for what he did there is no doubting that without the left-wing presence stirring things up things would not have escalated so their presence was a contributing factor.

[Kizzy]

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

http://hmd.org.uk/resources/poetry/first-they-came-pastor-martin-niemoller

[Brillopad]

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

http://hmd.org.uk/resources/poetry/first-they-came-pastor-martin-niemoller

But they didn't just speak did they. I doubt the pastor would have condoned the actions of either group.

[GiRTh]

Trump just tweeted
Memorial service today for beautiful and incredible Heather Heyer, a truly special young woman. She will be long remembered by all!


It took him 4 days to finally name the young lady who was killed. No matter what your political leanings, that is pathetic.

[Kizzy]

But they didn't just speak did they. I doubt the pastor would have condoned the actions of either group.

I doubt the Pastor would have ever expected to see a nazi revival less than 100yrs after the war.

[JTM45]

I note you added who did they kill in Charlottesville so assume they have killed elsewhere.



Again you jump to a conclusion that is completely incorrect and read something into a statement that isn't there.

This thread is about what happened in Charlottesville. Jenny was trying to say that Antifa were not being criticized in the same way as the Nazi's have by both US political parties and any decent person in america and i was making the clear distinction that antifa hadn't killed anyone, unlike the far-right had in Charlottesville.

The Nazi's also said on their 'Daily Stormer' website that the woman they killed, Heather Heyer, was ''a fat childless 32 year-old slut'' and urged people to attack her funeral.
When have left behaved like this load of scumbag vermin ?

The Nazi 'Daily Stormer' website was hosted on GoDaddy who have since shut their site down because of their disgusting behaviour and views. Why they ever let them set up their site on their hosting service in the first place is troubling to say the least. It's not like they haven't always had the same repugnant views.

[Brillopad]

Again you jump to a conclusion that is completely incorrect and read something into a statement that isn't there.

This thread is about what happened in Charlottesville. Jenny was trying to say that Antifa were not being criticized in the same way as the Nazi's have by both US political parties and any decent person in america and i was making the clear distinction that antifa hadn't killed anyone, unlike the far-right had in Charlottesville.

The Nazi's also said on their 'Daily Stormer' website that the woman they killed, Heather Heyer, was ''a fat childless 32 year-old slut'' and urged people to attack her funeral.
When have left behaved like this load of scumbag vermin ?

The Nazi 'Daily Stormer' website was hosted on GoDaddy who have since shut their site down because of their disgusting behaviour and views. Why they ever let them set up their site on their hosting service in the first place is troubling to say the least. It's not like they haven't always had the same repugnant views.

There are disgusting people like that on both sides, don't kid yourself otherwise.

If you are so naive to believe that everyone or even most on the extreme left are whiter than the driven snow you are in for a rude awakening.

[Samm]

As if there's anything wrong with the left, when there's nazi in the right

[GiRTh]

Trump Ends Business Councils as CEOs Turn Against President (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-16/trump-ceo-strategy-council-is-said-to-be-disbanding-after-exodus)

Yesterday he effectively tweeted 'To hell with you' to any CEO who didnt want to be on his manufacturing council and that there are plenty who do, today he ends the council after even more leave. He seriously thought there would be no consequences to his action. Absolutely clueless and no kind of leader what so ever.

[Alf]

Trump had 2 scoops of Ice-Cream for his afters.

An actual MSM smear story. That's where we're at.

[GiRTh]

Trump had 2 scoops of Ice-Cream for his afters.

An actual MSM smear story. That's where we're at.Fox news once had a go at Obama for saluting a marine with a coffee cup in his hand and then there was the time they had a go at him for wearing a tan suit. Those two were off the top of my head.

Obama uses coffee cup to salute Marines (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/23/obama-uses-coffee-cup-to-salute-marines.html)

The Audacity of taupe (http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/08/29/audacity-taupe)

[Alf]

Fox news once had a go at Obama for saluting a marine with a coffee cup in his hand and then there was the time they had a go at him for wearing a tan suit. Those two were off the top of my head.

Obama uses coffee cup to salute Marines (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/23/obama-uses-coffee-cup-to-salute-marines.html)Exactly, that's where we're at with MSM. Pathetic isn't it?

[GiRTh]

Exactly, that's where we're at with MSM. Pathetic isn't it?Of course and Fox led the way with their constant attacks on Obama :thumbs:

[DemolitionRed]

My main issue here is that
This wasn't alt-right vs alt-left or Nazis vs BLM or any movement

This was Nazis vs people who aren't racist or hate Nazis - like almost the entire population

So to blame the alt left is ridiculous. PEOPLE - everyday normal people - are fed up of these Nazis being aloud to preach tbis violence and hate so went against it - and so what if they get a bit violent I'm sure we can all agree if someone who wants you to literally die because of your skin colour was being aggresive towards you you would get violent too

Thank you :flowers:

[DemolitionRed]

Amazing that's he's been in the public eye for most of his life, and only now when he's a pensioner in his 70s, does this revelation come out.

I get the feeling if he didn't win the election, these revelations wouldn't enter anybody's mind. Anybody else get that feeling?

But he did and what he took on is the highest job on in the world.

Here's what Chris Hedges ( an American journalist, Princeton Professor and author of many political books) has to say.

"Trump is the face of our collective idiocy. He is what lies behind the mask of our professed civility and rationality. He is a sputtering narcissistic, blood thirsty megalomaniac. His face in the past was hidden at least to most white Americans but with the destruction of democratic institutions and the disempowerment of the citizen, the oligarch’s and the Kleptocrats become brazen. They no longer need to pretend, they steal and lie openly; they wheel armies and fleets against the wretched of the earth; blithely ignore the looming catastrophe caused by global warming and cannibalize its nation. While at night, like some monster from the Grand Giaour, the idiot-in-chief, sits slacked jawed in front of a television set before opening his beautiful twitter account.

Forget the noise. The crisis we face is not in body. Public images of the politicians that run are just dysfunctional government. The crisis we face is the result of a four decade long, slow motion corporate coup d'état that has left corporations and the war machine omnipotent; turned our electoral system into legalized bribery and elevated public figures who master the arts of entertainment in artifice. Trump is just a symptom, he is not the disease."


I just love the way this guy writes!

[arista]

Of course and Fox led the way with their constant attacks on Obama :thumbs:


Thats there Job.

[arista]

"Fox news once had a go at Obama"

Girth thats NORMAL
you must get back to NYC

Feel The Force

[GiRTh]

First, what are you talking about and second, why did it take two posts to make that comment :shrug:

I didnt even mention the nine congressional hearings into Benghazi that all found nothing. If my memory serve me Fox mentioned Benghazi every day for about three weeks straight. If anyone wants to complain about the media giving Donny a hard time then they need to look at what some sections of the media did to Obama.

Talking of NYC, just watched a live interview with two of the 'Central Park Five'. I'd almost forgotten about this dark period in Donny's past. Look it up if you want to know the details but to summarise - Five young men (4 black one hispanic) were accused of assault and rape during 1989. Donny wanted these guys fried and took out ads in the four major New York papers but it turns out they were innocent and even when their innocence was establised thru DNA Donny still didnt buy it and still wanted them prosecuted. They are crawling into every dodgy thing he's ever done and said and frankly with his limp response to this crisis I'm not surprised.

[arista]

L4E

there is not enough of them


TRUMP HAS MOVED ON

you must keep UP
You are Out there
and I have 4 USA Live TV NEWS running


Avoid CNN HD if the get stuck in F.SLUDGE


Sign Of The Times

[DemolitionRed]

L4E

there is not enough of them


TRUMP HAS MOVED ON

you must keep UP
You are Out there
and I have 4 USA Live TV NEWS running


Avoid CNN HD if the get stuck in F.SLUDGE


Sign Of The Times

:conf3: What is "sign of the times"?

[arista]

:conf3: What is "sign of the times"?


Its a Sub Code


FECK all to do with Computers

Infact MTVN was well happy with
his thread with the FULL 12" Remix
backing singer gets a lead towards the end

[arista]

What the hell does ''FECKED UP'' mean ?

Trump won because of Russian interference...............plain and simple! Wake up and smell the fake tan.:laugh:

Its Swearing sub codes

[arista]

Russia was not helping Trump
Trump was using them.


CLINTON WOMAN FAILED 100%


How the HELL do you let her OFF?????

[DemolitionRed]

Its a Sub Code


FECK all to do with Computers

Infact MTVN was well happy with
his thread with the FULL 12" Remix
backing singer gets a lead towards the end

Yeah well, it sounds like an echo chamber. It doesn't mean anything, just like the rest of your posts.

[Northern Monkey]

Unfortunately all this **** is just human nature.We aren't that removed from our animal ancestors.
The factions we form are just like packs that chimpanzees and other animals form.
I saw a documentary a while back on chimps where a pack were out and they found a lone male and set about him.They stamped on him,ripped his bollocks off and mutilated him.It's a territorial animal intstinct.They do also show compassion and kindness.
It's why we have team sports(or mock wars).There are people who go to footy games just for the battle,Some don't even go in and watch the game.
In peace time many humans get bored and go to war with each other.We haven't evolved that instinct out of us yet which isn't surprising as we are still such a young species.
Humans need to learn the art of cohesive argument and debate to win their battles rather than hurting and killing each other.
We need to start listening to each others point of view and stop trying to surpress people's right to express their thoughts otherwise violence is all that comes out of it.Shutting peoples voice down only breeds anger and hatred and then the extreme elements rise up and take their arguments to the battlegrounds.
That's the only way we'll evolve.

[Livia]

As if there's anything wrong with the left, when there's nazi in the right

I suggest you go and read what Stalin was up to while Hitler was gassing people. This what happens when people forget - or don't learn - history.

[Livia]

Unfortunately all this **** is just human nature.We aren't that removed from our animal ancestors.
The factions we form are just like packs that chimpanzees and other animals form.
I saw a documentary a while back on chimps where a pack were out and they found a lone male and set about him.They stamped on him,ripped his bollocks off and mutilated him.It's a territorial animal intstinct.They do also show compassion and kindness.
It's why we have team sports(or mock wars).There are people who go to footy games just for the battle,Some don't even go in and watch the game.
In peace time many humans get bored and go to war with each other.We haven't evolved that instinct out of us yet which isn't surprising as we are still such a young species.
Humans need to learn the art of cohesive argument and debate to win their battles rather than hurting and killing each other.
We need to start listening to each others point of view and stop trying to surpress people's right to express their thoughts otherwise violence is all that comes out of it.Shutting peoples voice down only breeds anger and hatred and then the extreme elements rise up and take their arguments to the battlegrounds.
That's the only way we'll evolve.

I agree with all that, so much.

I honestly worry for the future. We're killing the planet, we're breeding like flies so that in a few decades we're not going to be able to feed everyone, there are problems between black and white, black and black, white and white, Jews and... well loads of people... Muslims are killing people in the most barbaric ways - mainly other Muslims... We have a finite amount of trips around the sun and it's madness that people would want to waste that precious time fighting.

[Northern Monkey]

I agree with all that, so much.

I honestly worry for the future. We're killing the planet, we're breeding like flies so that in a few decades we're not going to be able to feed everyone, there are problems between black and white, black and black, white and white, Jews and... well loads of people... Muslims are killing people in the most barbaric ways - mainly other Muslims... We have a finite amount of trips around the sun and it's madness that people would want to waste that precious time fighting.

So true.We should be working together to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.:laugh:

[Livia]

So true.We should be working together to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.:laugh:

LOL... you silly arse.

[user104658]

Unfortunately all this **** is just human nature.We aren't that removed from our animal ancestors.
The factions we form are just like packs that chimpanzees and other animals form.
I saw a documentary a while back on chimps where a pack were out and they found a lone male and set about him.They stamped on him,ripped his bollocks off and mutilated him.It's a territorial animal intstinct.They do also show compassion and kindness.
It's why we have team sports(or mock wars).There are people who go to footy games just for the battle,Some don't even go in and watch the game.
In peace time many humans get bored and go to war with each other.We haven't evolved that instinct out of us yet which isn't surprising as we are still such a young species.
Humans need to learn the art of cohesive argument and debate to win their battles rather than hurting and killing each other.
We need to start listening to each others point of view and stop trying to surpress people's right to express their thoughts otherwise violence is all that comes out of it.Shutting peoples voice down only breeds anger and hatred and then the extreme elements rise up and take their arguments to the battlegrounds.
That's the only way we'll evolve.

I agree although I'd say this applies far more to some than others; it takes a very specific sort of person to "join a mob", or to start throwing chairs at each other because of football tribalism. I'm not just talking about slack-jawed sports fans either tbf, I lowkey would say the same about any march / protest / "mass group mentality" activity that involves squad psychology.

Is it the case that "the only way to evolve" is to allow everyone this, and to give every voice a platform? I'm not entirely convinced there. That sounds a lot like allowing the entire human race to be dragged down by the lowest common denominator.

The truth is... there is probably no way to evolve past this. It's a common misconception that "evolution" means "improvement" -- it doesn't. There is no right/wrong/morality to evolution... evolution is simply whichever group breeds fastest and most successfully and passes on their traits to the future population. That's it. No more, no less. And unfortunately... the people doing the majority of the breeding are not necessarily the intelligent, enlightened ones. For millions of years of human evolution, the number one survival trait was intelligence. If you were smarter then your neighbour, you were better able to survive, and have yet-smarter children. That's not really the world in 2017... the individuals best adapted to survival in the modern world are the drones / sheep who will not question their place in it.

[DemolitionRed]

I suggest you go and read what Stalin was up to while Hitler was gassing people. This what happens when people forget - or don't learn - history.

What a really odd comment. What are you implying?

[Livia]

What a really odd comment. What are you implying?

If you look at the quote to which I was replying maybe you'll get your head around it. If you still don't understand, let me know and I'll explain it for you.

[MB.]

I must have missed the Communist rally in Virginia this weekend. Was it the one where people took to the streets with torches and red flags in protest against a statue of Ethel Rosenberg being removed? The one where they started chanting "death to the bourgeoise"?

...in other words, yes there may be a very small militant left minority, but let's remember that the only thing that's really connecting those people (plus the many more who aren't on the far-left and are still vocally anti-Nazi) and driving them to take action is their shared opposition to the real life actual Nazis in America right now. You can't just say "but Stalin!" because there are Nazis involved and you want to prove that the left have never been as violent in history ever.

[Livia]

I must have missed the Communist rally in Virginia this weekend. Was it the one where people took to the streets with torches and red flags in protest against a statue of Ethel Rosenberg being removed? The one where they started chanting "death to the bourgeoise"?

...in other words, yes there may be a very small militant left minority, but let's remember that the only thing that's really connecting those people (plus the many more who aren't on the far-left and are still vocally anti-Nazi) and driving them to take action is their shared opposition to the real life actual Nazis in America right now. You can't just say "but Stalin!" because there are Nazis involved and you want to prove that the left have never been as violent in history ever.

You can't say "everything on the Left is lovely, except... when the NAZIS!" either.

And hey, I'm not sticking up for these idiots on the right. Just trying to stop people imagining that anyone on the Left is a hero and nothing else, ever.

[sungrass]

I can't believe that This can still happen in America - a country which is so diverse and supposedly forward has people shouting "burn the Fags" and attacking black people and they are allowed to do it! So ****ed up

I dont understand why the USA cant settle down and just get on with life?

Just learn to live and let live?

[DemolitionRed]

If you look at the quote to which I was replying maybe you'll get your head around it. If you still don't understand, let me know and I'll explain it for you.

I'd love you to explain it to me because I'm flummoxed. You seem to be insinuating that whilst fascist Germany was gassing millions, Stalin's Russia was doing equally appalling acts and that we who sit on the Left, have some sort of hero worship with Stalin, just as the Nazi supporters hero worship Hitler?

If you’d said Lenin or Trotsky I would have understood but Stalin? Stalin was the enemy of communism. Stalin held hands with fascist Germany because like Hitler, he was a fascist. He bastardized all Karl Marx’s ideologies to create an imperialist state. He was a dominant totalitarian monster and just like Hitler, he's an enemy of the Left.

[Scarlett.]

897932611930120192

Pretty much sums up the Alt Right Nazi scum.