Extremism experts are starting to worry about the left

[Brillopad]

https://news.vice.com/story/extremism-experts-are-starting-to-worry-about-the-left

Right or left - extremists from both sides are as bad as each other. To vilify one group whilst at the same time making excuses for the other is undefendable.

[Tom4784]

Well no, until the 'extreme left' start murdering people then they are not as bad. I'm quite tired of this whole 'both sides are to blame' **** in light of recent events. Neo Nazis are to blame for Charlottesville, the left didn't arm them, the left didn't make that driver kill an innocent bystander. The Left didn't put a gun in the hands of the man that killed Jo Cox, the left didn't cause that attack on the mosque by a Right wing extremist a few months ago.

Right Wing Terrorism is a problem and not one you can blame the left for, it's a disgusting case of scapegoating to do so.

[user104658]

The whole thing has become increasingly tribal and no longer has anything to do with the actual politics or anyone's genuine personal beliefs; "left" and "right" have become meaningless, we have to suffer an endless onslaught of buzzwords and buzzphrases. People (most with very little genuine political understanding) pick "a side" and then adopt the rhetoric of that side. The whole world has turned into a boring, petty playground. Except it's a playground where people actually get hurt.

[Alf]

Well no, until the 'extreme left' start murdering people then they are not as bad. I'm quite tired of this whole 'both sides are to blame' **** in light of recent events. Neo Nazis are to blame for Charlottesville, the left didn't arm them, the left didn't make that driver kill an innocent bystander. The Left didn't put a gun in the hands of the man that killed Jo Cox, the left didn't cause that attack on the mosque by a Right wing extremist a few months ago.

Right Wing Terrorism is a problem and not one you can blame the left for, it's a disgusting case of scapegoating to do so.Remember a few months back when that Bernie supporter opened fire on republican party members playing baseball, Which left Steve Scalise in a critical condition, and the guy was only stopped by being taken out? Or did you forget?

[Alf]

Well no, until the 'extreme left' start murdering people then they are not as bad. I'm quite tired of this whole 'both sides are to blame' **** in light of recent events. Neo Nazis are to blame for Charlottesville, the left didn't arm them, the left didn't make that driver kill an innocent bystander. The Left didn't put a gun in the hands of the man that killed Jo Cox, the left didn't cause that attack on the mosque by a Right wing extremist a few months ago.

Right Wing Terrorism is a problem and not one you can blame the left for, it's a disgusting case of scapegoating to do so.Remember women being beating by protesters, because a gay Englishman was going to give a speech in Berkley? Or did you forget?

[Dominic]

Yes the extreme left is awful so is the extreme right

[Alf]

You only see what your eyes want to see
How can life be what you want it to be? You're frozen
When your heart's not open

Words of the Leftie, Madonna.



She also said

"I've often thought about blowing up the White house"

[Tom4784]

Remember a few months back when that Bernie supporter opened fire on republican party members playing baseball, Which left Steve Scalise in a critical condition, and the guy was only stopped by being taken out? Or did you forget?

A crazed gunman prick with no ties to extremism does not make a compelling argument that the Left are as much to blame as Nazi terrorists.

Keep scapegoating for Nazis though.

[Tom4784]

Remember women being beating by protesters, because a gay Englishman was going to give a speech in Berkley? Or did you forget?

Again, students in a safezone bubble beng twats and lashing out because they have no real life experience (or links to extremism) is not a good comparison to actual terrorism.

Keep trying, you might make a valid point one day.

[Brillopad]

Well no, until the 'extreme left' start murdering people then they are not as bad. I'm quite tired of this whole 'both sides are to blame' **** in light of recent events. Neo Nazis are to blame for Charlottesville, the left didn't arm them, the left didn't make that driver kill an innocent bystander. The Left didn't put a gun in the hands of the man that killed Jo Cox, the left didn't cause that attack on the mosque by a Right wing extremist a few months ago.

Right Wing Terrorism is a problem and not one you can blame the left for, it's a disgusting case of scapegoating to do so.

No the left just went there to cause trouble and inflamed the situation. They knew exactly what they were doing and got the reaction they expected enabling them to behave the same way.

As the article showed there have been plenty of left wing attacks that any logical thinking person can't turn round and blame the right for.

[Tom4784]

No the left just went there to cause trouble and inflamed the situation. They knew exactly what they were doing and got the reaction they expected enabling them to behave the same way.

As the article showed there have been plenty of left wing attacks that any logical thinking person can't turn round and blame the right for.

So you're defending Nazis, I'm not surprised.

[Alf]

Yes Dezzy, we're all Nazis. Well worked out.

You do make me laugh.

[user104658]

Yes Dezzy, we're all Nazis. Well worked out.

You do make me laugh.

Naw, just Nazi sympathisers.

[Alf]

Naw, just Nazi sympathisers.Name me one Nazi I've sympathised with?

[user104658]

Name me one Nazi I've sympathised with?

John.

[Tom4784]

Yes Dezzy, we're all Nazis. Well worked out.

You do make me laugh.

If someone refuses to condemn Nazis for their actions and instead look to vindicate them by blaming the left then it's only common sense to assume they have sympathies for the Nazis based on those actions.

[Alf]

Naw, just Nazi sympathisers.I've been banned for much less on this forum, then what you're accusing me of here.

[Alf]

If someone refuses to condemn Nazis for their actions and instead look to vindicate them by blaming the left then it's only common sense to assume they have sympathies for the Nazis based on their actions.Go look at the first post I made on this subject, in the original thread.

What is the first thing I say? I'll tell you and you can go check it out.

I said "Terrorist bastard"

[user104658]

I've been banned for much less on this forum, then what you're accusing me of here.As Dezzy says though it's a simple and demonstrable statement of fact; anyone who attempts to find reason for the actions of Nazis or who suggests that they were provoked (and hence, more justified) in their actions is, by definition, sympathising with said Nazis and is therefore a Nazi sympathiser.

No judgement.

[Alf]

As Dezzy says though it's a simple and demonstrable statement of fact; anyone who attempts to find reason for the actions of Nazis or who suggests that they were provoked (and hence, more justified) in their actions is, by definition, sympathising with said Nazis and is therefore a Nazi sympathiser.

No judgement.But I'm not defending them, I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy from lefties who are just as bad.

I'm saying the extremist on both sides of the scale are shyt-houses.

[user104658]

Go look at the first post I made on this subject, in the original thread.

What is the first thing I say? I'll tell you and you can go check it out.

I said "Terrorist bastard"To be fair I was referring to Brillo's posts more than yours but - being totally upfront here - I do have a habit of tarring with the same brush when it comes to a handful of 4 or 5 members. I think understandably. Try to understand. Be a TS sympathiser :hee:.

[Brillopad]

So you're defending Nazis, I'm not surprised.

Just as I expected. :shrug:

[Brillopad]

If someone refuses to condemn Nazis for their actions and instead look to vindicate them by blaming the left then it's only common sense to assume they have sympathies for the Nazis based on those actions.

So what does that make lefties who refuse to condemn the extreme left for their actions?

[Brillopad]

To be fair I was referring to Brillo's posts more than yours but - being totally upfront here - I do have a habit of tarring with the same brush when it comes to a handful of 4 or 5 members. I think understandably. Try to understand. Be a TS sympathiser :hee:.

If you want to call me a nazi for pointing out that there are extremists on both sides, there are, that is your problem not mine. I justified nothing unlike Dezzy's attempted justification of leftist thugs in post 2.

[user104658]

If you want to call me a nazi for pointing out that there are extremists on both sides, there are, that is your problem not mine.I didn't call you a Nazi.

[Brillopad]

I didn't call you a Nazi.

A nazi sympathiser then. Show me where I expressed any agreement or sympathy for their actions.

[Tom4784]

So what does that make lefties who refuse to condemn the extreme left for their actions?

Well if the Left refuses to condemn these imaginary Left Wing Terrorists that are as much to blame as the existing Right Wing Nazi terrorists then they'd be terrorist sympathisers for not condemning them.

It's quite obvious, Brillo.

[user104658]

A nazi sympathiser then. Show me where I expressed any agreement or sympathy for their actions.

No the left just went there to cause trouble and inflamed the situation.

I find your intent fairly transparent.

[Livia]

Unless you're referring to the actual Nazi party, then using the term makes you seem at best, uninformed.

At the same time the actual Nazis - on the extreme Right - were gassing and murdering their way across the world, Stalin - on the extreme Left - was having a massive killing spree of his own. Do I ever hear anyone call someone on the far Left a Communist? A Stalinist? No... because that would be just as stupid as calling people Nazis when the subject you're discussing is about a parsec away from real Nazis.

[Tom4784]

If you want to call me a nazi for pointing out that there are extremists on both sides, there are, that is your problem not mine. I justified nothing unlike Dezzy's attempted justification of leftist thugs in post 2.

What justification?

Alf mentioned two examples, I had scathing words for both and did not justify what they did. I condemned the actions of that attempted murderer and those students that started the riot I just don't think it's justifiable to use those examples to say that the left are to blame for Right Wing Nazi terrorism.

It's scapegoating.

[Tom4784]

Unless you're referring to the actual Nazi party, then using the term makes you seem at best, uninformed.

At the same time the actual Nazis - on the extreme Right - were gassing and murdering their way across the world, Stalin - on the extreme Left - was having a massive killing spree of his own. Do I ever hear anyone call someone on the far Left a Communist? A Stalinist? No... because that would be just as stupid as calling people Nazis when the subject you're discussing is about a parsec away from real Nazis.

They were flag waving Neo Nazis, Livia. Did you not see the pictures? Why are you more concerned about the use of the word rather than the fact that their actions have led to a loss of life?

[Livia]

They were flag waving Neo Nazis, Livia. Did you not see the pictures?

I saw a bunch of uneducated American bigots carrying a swastika.

[Brillopad]

I find your intent fairly transparent.

Why - because they did. It was an organised demonstration. I don't agree with the depth of their views or the way they express them but they have as much right to express them in a legal way as a left demonstration. The left went there with an intention to cause conflict and you know it.

[user104658]

Unless you're referring to the actual Nazi party, then using the term makes you seem at best, uninformed.

At the same time the actual Nazis - on the extreme Right - were gassing and murdering their way across the world, Stalin - on the extreme Left - was having a massive killing spree of his own. Do I ever hear anyone call someone on the far Left a Communist? A Stalinist? No... because that would be just as stupid as calling people Nazis when the subject you're discussing is about a parsec away from real Nazis.

To an extent, yes, I agree, but I suspect that for most of these people the only thing that is stopping them is lack of means rather than lack of motivation. The ideology is exactly the same - and if they had a nation or an army - I'm not so sure they wouldn't be gassing and murdering their way across the world without hesitation.

I suppose it's important to remember that the Nazi ideology existed in small niche pockets long before those Nazis found their way into power in Germany. They didn't spring up out of the ground. Just because the current groups with white supremacist / Nazi ideologies don't currently have power, doesn't mean that they should be disregarded or ignored as a threat.

[Cherie]

I didn't call you a Nazi.

I find it ironic that you speak about people picking sides and making allusions to playgrounds when you never budge from your corner. There are plenty people on the forum who don't have a side and you definitely aren't one of them.

[Alf]

They were flag waving Neo Nazis, Livia. Did you not see the pictures? Why are you more concerned about the use of the word rather than the fact that their actions have led to a loss of life?And there were flag waving communist, Stalinists at Jeremy Corbyn rallies this year.

http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/788000/566788.jpg

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nintchdbpict000320717677-e1493729408351.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100

Did you vote for Corbyn? and if you did, does that make you a Commie sympathiser?

[Brillopad]

To an extent, yes, I agree, but I suspect that for most of these people the only thing that is stopping them is lack of means rather than lack of motivation. The ideology is exactly the same - and if they had a nation or an army - I'm not so sure they wouldn't be gassing and murdering their way across the world without hesitation.

I suppose it's important to remember that the Nazi ideology existed in small niche pockets long before those Nazis found their way into power in Germany. They didn't spring up out of the ground. Just because the current groups with white supremacist / Nazi ideologies don't currently have power, doesn't mean that they should be disregarded or ignored as a threat.

That could just as easily apply to those on the extreme left. They are becoming increasingly more violent. As you said yourself people pick a side and adopt the rhetoric. Some also just love violence and adopt a side to enable it.

[user104658]

There are plenty people on the forum who don't have a side

In SD's? No there aren't.

[Tom4784]

And there were flag waving communist, Stalinists at Jeremy Corbyn rallies this year.

http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/788000/566788.jpg

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nintchdbpict000320717677-e1493729408351.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100

Did you vote for Corbyn? and if you did, does that make you a Commie sympathiser?

What does Jeremy Corbyn have to do with Right Wing Terrorism in the US? This obsession is really boring.

But if you insist, there's a difference between extremists trying to hijack an unrelated event for their own purposes and Neo Nazis organising an armed rally in what is a Liberal location to 'protest' the removal of a statue of a slaver. Should be obvious really. Corbyn organised an election rally, not a communist one so it's pretty silly to blame him for the actions of extremists that wanted to hijack the event.

Also, I don't live in his constituency so no, I didn't vote for Corbyn. Need me to explain for the UK election system works? But if I did then that wouldn't make me a sympathiser to Stalinists because I'm not refusing to condemn them and I'm not making excuses to blame anyone else but them for their own actions. Again, this should be real obvious to everyone.

I can only imagine this flawed argument of yours is based around your erroneous belief that I think people who voted for Trump are Nazi sympathisers? If so please point out where I said that. Voting or supporting Trump doesn't make a person a Nazi Sympathiser, making excuses for Nazis and scapegoating innocent parties to vindicate Nazis makes a person a Nazi Sympathiser.

[Alf]

What does Jeremy Corbyn have to do with Right Wing Terrorism in the US? This obsession is really boring.

But if you insist, there's a difference between extremists trying to hijack an unrelated event for their own purposes and Neo Nazis organising an armed rally in what is a Liberal location to 'protest' the removal of a statue of a slaver. Should be obvious really. Corbyn organised an election rally, not a communist one so it's pretty silly to blame him for the actions of extremists that wanted to hijack the event.

Also, I don't live in his constituency so no, I didn't vote for Corbyn. Need me to explain for the UK election system works? But if I did then that wouldn't make me a sympathiser to Stalinists because I'm not refusing to condemn them and I'm not making excuses to blame anyone else but them for their own actions. Again, this should be real obvious to everyone.

I can only imagine this flawed argument of yours is based around your erroneous belief that I think people who voted for Trump are Nazi sympathisers? If so please point out where I said that. Voting or supporting Trump doesn't make a person a Nazi Sympathiser, making excuses for Nazis and scapegoating innocent parties to vindicate Nazis makes a person a Nazi Sympathiser.Bad isn't it, Communist parading around in our country? It's even worse when they come so close to gaining power, isn't it?

We had a lucky escape there, wouldn't you say?


While you're on the subject of statues. Here's a bunch of lefties pulling down a confederate statue in the US a couple of days ago.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/confederate-statue-3-1024x650.jpg

[Brillopad]

What does Jeremy Corbyn have to do with Right Wing Terrorism in the US? This obsession is really boring.

But if you insist, there's a difference between extremists trying to hijack an unrelated event for their own purposes and Neo Nazis organising an armed rally in what is a Liberal location to 'protest' the removal of a statue of a slaver. Should be obvious really. Corbyn organised an election rally, not a communist one so it's pretty silly to blame him for the actions of extremists that wanted to hijack the event.

Also, I don't live in his constituency so no, I didn't vote for Corbyn. Need me to explain for the UK election system works? But if I did then that wouldn't make me a sympathiser to Stalinists because I'm not refusing to condemn them and I'm not making excuses to blame anyone else but them for their own actions. Again, this should be real obvious to everyone.

I can only imagine this flawed argument of yours is based around your erroneous belief that I think people who voted for Trump are Nazi sympathisers? If so please point out where I said that. Voting or supporting Trump doesn't make a person a Nazi Sympathiser, making excuses for Nazis and scapegoating innocent parties to vindicate Nazis makes a person a Nazi Sympathiser.

Please point out where anyone has made excuses for nazis.

Allocating a degree of responsibility to the adults that knowing stirred up emotions in an already volatile situation that in turn led to one scum bag running a car into a crowd of people is reasonable. They didn't drive the car but they contributed to the atmosphere of aggression.

[Tom4784]

Bad isn't it, Communist parading around in our country? It's even worse when they come so close to gaining power, isn't it?

We had a lucky escape there, wouldn't you say?


While you're on the subject of statues. Here's a bunch of lefties pulling down a confederate statue in the US a couple of days ago.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/confederate-statue-3-1024x650.jpg

Seems like a poor attempt at a comparison. Trump was dependent on extreme elements to gain power, it's why he is so reluctant to to condemn them because he has given them power by bringing them back from the fringes into the forefront of politics.

The same can't be said for Corbyn, your argument seems to be based on the thought that protesters at his rally somehow represent him and his views so it's flawed since you are trying to find similarities in two completely different situations. Stalinists are as fringe as they come, they certainly don't have the power to influence politics and Corbyn doesn't seem to be associated with them at all.

Yes, someone pulled down a statue, it's reckless, dangerous and stupid to do so like that since someone could have easily got hurt. I don't really see the relevance beyond that though? Are you saying this statue is as much a victim as the dead woman killed in the Neo Nazi terror attack? Are you defending Confederates now? I don't quite understand.

[Kizzy]

Oh... Look over there!!! LOOK !! LOOK!! Don't look at what is the actual and immediate issue here and now.

Pathetic! Sad pathetic attempt to suggest that anti fascists are to blame for the increasing violence from the alt right in the west.

[Alf]

Seems like a poor attempt at a comparison. Trump was dependent on extreme elements to gain power, it's why he is so reluctant to to condemn them because he has given them power by bringing them back from the fringes into the forefront of politics.

The same can't be said for Corbyn, your argument seems to be based on the thought that protesters at his rally somehow represent him and his views so it's flawed since you are trying to find similarities in two completely different situations. Stalinists are as fringe as they come, they certainly don't have the power to influence politics and Corbyn doesn't seem to be associated with them at all.

Yes, someone pulled down a statue, it's reckless, dangerous and stupid to do so like that since someone could have easily got hurt. I don't really see the relevance beyond that though? Are you saying this statue is as much a victim as the dead woman killed in the Neo Nazi terror attack? Are you defending Confederates now? I don't quite understand.But he did condemn them. He condemned them on the same day. He condemned extremism on all sides, let's face it, the White supremacists were not fighting themselves, so he had a point.

But of course, that wasn't good enough for the thirsty people after his blood.

[Tom4784]

But he did condemn them. He condemned them on the same day. He condemned extremism on all sides, let's face it, the White supremacists were not fighting themselves, so he had a point.

But of course, that wasn't good enough for the thirsty people after his blood.

No, he didn't condemn them. He blamed everyone for the actions of a specific party of people. He pussied out because he didn't want to offend the only groups of people on his side.

[Brillopad]

Oh... Look over there!!! LOOK !! LOOK!! Don't look at what is the actual and immediate issue here and now.

Pathetic! Sad pathetic attempt to suggest that anti fascists are to blame for the increasing violence from the alt right in the west.

That's part of the problem - some people refuse to see how their contribution in terms of behaviour contributed to a volatile situation spiralling out of control.

Why ccouldn't they just let those idiots have their little demonstration. Not to give them the publicity would have made more sense. They couldn't because they were trouble makers looking to make trouble. It isn't rocket science. They bear some responsibility for what happened like it is not.

[Alf]

That's part of the problem - some people refuse to see how their contribution in terms of behaviour contributed to a volatile situation spiralling out of control.

Why ccouldn't they just let those idiots have their little demonstration. Not to give them the publicity would have made more sense. They couldn't because they were trouble makers looking to make trouble. It isn't rocket science. They bear some responsibility for what happened like it is not.Exactly. They could have just laughed at how idiotic they are and gone on social media and meme'd the heck out of them. But the left don't do laughter, they do censor.

[Brillopad]

Exactly. They could have just laughed at how idiotic they are and gone on social media and meme'd the heck out of them. But the left don't do laughter, they do censor.

They do indeed Alf. Who do people think they are trying to censor people all the time.

[user104658]

Exactly. They could have just laughed at how idiotic they are and gone on social media and meme'd the heck out of them. But the left don't do laughter, they do censor.Ahh yes. If there's one thing those "on the right" are known for, it's their unshakeable sense of humour.

:joker:

Those lefties just need to watch some Dad's Army and relax.

[JTM45]

They do indeed Alf. Who do people think they are trying to censor people all the time.

So you think the Nazi's of the far-right should have the right to voice their repugnant views and opinions on the streets of US and UK towns and cities do you ?:bored:

Wow!!!!

[user104658]

So you think the Nazi's of the far-right should have the right to voice their repugnant views and opinions on the streets of US and UK towns and cities do you ?:bored:

Wow!!!!I believe the story is that everyone is allowed to say whatever they want, whenever they want, except Tibb members who want to call them racist or bigoted (not allowed :nono: never never)

[DemolitionRed]

Unless you're referring to the actual Nazi party, then using the term makes you seem at best, uninformed.

At the same time the actual Nazis - on the extreme Right - were gassing and murdering their way across the world, Stalin - on the extreme Left - was having a massive killing spree of his own. Do I ever hear anyone call someone on the far Left a Communist? A Stalinist? No... because that would be just as stupid as calling people Nazis when the subject you're discussing is about a parsec away from real Nazis.

I disagree. These people support what Nazi Germany did. They support the gassing and murdering of millions and they don't wear the swastika because it represents luck, success, and prosperity but because Hitler is their hero.

The anti-Nazi supporters (and you don't have to be left to be that) are disgusted with such people. Some take that disgust too far but tell me this, should we just ignore this growing trend in racism? should we allow them to grow and flourish?

[Alf]

So you think the Nazi's of the far-right should have the right to voice their repugnant views and opinions on the streets of US and UK towns and cities do you ?:bored:

Wow!!!!Of course, why not? I'd rather know what these people are saying and thinking.

What power do they have? none. They're put in power by the people, in a democracy. So we listen to what they say, and decide weather we accept it or not, that's how it works.

Your personal feelings don't matter to other people, it's not up to you to decide who has the right to speak.

We have laws to deal with any violence.

[Alf]

Ahh yes. If there's one thing those "on the right" are known for, it's their unshakeable sense of humour.

:joker:

Those lefties just need to watch some Dad's Army and relax.Amen to that brother.

[DemolitionRed]

You know, I actually feel quite sorry for racists. In nearly all cases, they’ve grown up with it. They’ve been conditioned to hate often from an early age.
We need to re-educate these people and have them understand that human variation is a good thing and that race is a construct… its not real. You can’t look at the DNA of anyone and say, that person is this race because races don’t exist.

Racism is tribal and yet, scientifically speaking, there is only one race… the human race.

The question is, how do we get that message across to our fellow hateful homosapiens ?

[Alf]

You know, I actually feel quite sorry for racists. In nearly all cases, they’ve grown up with it. They’ve been conditioned to hate often from an early age.We need to re-educate these people and have them understand that human variation is a good thing and that race is a construct… its not real. You can’t look at the DNA of anyone and say, that person is this race because races don’t exist.

Racism is tribal and yet, scientifically speaking, there is only one race… the human race.

The question is, how do we get that message across to our fellow hateful homosapiens ?Everyone hates something.

What do you think Trump has got since the day he decided to run for President? Hate, none stop. Why is that hate acceptable?

[Brillopad]

So you think the Nazi's of the far-right should have the right to voice their repugnant views and opinions on the streets of US and UK towns and cities do you ?:bored:

Wow!!!!

Why not? Plenty of other groups do. Just don't give them the publicity. :shrug:

[Brillopad]

You know, I actually feel quite sorry for racists. In nearly all cases, they’ve grown up with it. They’ve been conditioned to hate often from an early age.
We need to re-educate these people and have them understand that human variation is a good thing and that race is a construct… its not real. You can’t look at the DNA of anyone and say, that person is this race because races don’t exist.

Racism is tribal and yet, scientifically speaking, there is only one race… the human race.

The question is, how do we get that message across to our fellow hateful homosapiens ?

Do you apply that to everyone I wonder. It might be good to start with religion as hate between religions is often the worse.

PC is pretty tribal too.

[Brillopad]

Everyone hates something.

What do you think Trump has got since the day he decided to run for President? Hate, none stop. Why is that hate acceptable?

Double standards. Everyone thinks they know best. The human condition.

Anyone who thinks the world will live in peace and harmony if only they could 'educate ' them. Beyond pompous.

[DemolitionRed]

Everyone hates something.

What do you think Trump has got since the day he decided to run for President? Hate, none stop. Why is that hate acceptable?

If you choose to run a country, expect hatred from the opposition. If you choose to be controversial in the way you run that country, expect hate from the majority.

You're right, I hate artichokes and I hate feeling like I've had one too many but I think that's a little different to all out hatred against someone you don't know.

[jaxie]

What we do with regard racism is integrate children. I went to a school where we were a mix of colours and I grew up not really seeing colour, just people. I just do not look at someone based on what colour their skin is. In fact the only time I do notice the colour of someone's skin is when you notice how pretty a dark skin colour can be. I'm pretty pale and can appreciate the beauty of a warm rich colour. Segregation and communities who isolate or are isolated is where resentment and difference start.

I have to say I'm pretty disgusted by some of the accusations towards other members about Nazis in this thread. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[DemolitionRed]

Do you apply that to everyone I wonder. It might be good to start with religion as hate between religions is often the worse.

PC is pretty tribal too.

Why would I need to start with religion when what I said was on topic?

Why is there so much hate between religions?
Why is there so much hate in the school playground?
Why do so many people hate child or animal abusers?
Why do so many employees hate their employer?

We could have all these topics if you like but right now we are discussing prejudice against people of color.

[DemolitionRed]

I have to say I'm pretty disgusted by some of the accusations about Nazis in this thread. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Color me confused?

[jaxie]

Color me confused?

Accusations toward other members.

[Brillopad]

Why would I need to start with religion when what I said was on topic?

Why is there so much hate between religions?
Why is there so much hate in the school playground?
Why do so many people hate child or animal abusers?
Why do so many employees hate their employer?

We could have all these topics if you like but right now we are discussing prejudice against people of color.

Maybe because hatred in religion is often based on race and sex.

[DemolitionRed]

Accusations toward other members.

Oh, well I haven't done that, though its sorely tempting.

[Brillopad]

What we do with regard racism is integrate children. I went to a school where we were a mix of colours and I grew up not really seeing colour, just people. I just do not look at someone based on what colour their skin is. In fact the only time I do notice the colour of someone's skin is when you notice how pretty a dark skin colour can be. I'm pretty pale and can appreciate the beauty of a warm rich colour. Segregation and communities who isolate or are isolated is where resentment and difference start.

I have to say I'm pretty disgusted by some of the accusations towards other members about Nazis in this thread. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

And they always get away with it. If others with different views made the same kind of abhorrent allegations there would have been bans by now. Seems we are all supposed to be too stupid to notice that. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

That's part of the problem - some people refuse to see how their contribution in terms of behaviour contributed to a volatile situation spiralling out of control.

Why ccouldn't they just let those idiots have their little demonstration. Not to give them the publicity would have made more sense. They couldn't because they were trouble makers looking to make trouble. It isn't rocket science. They bear some responsibility for what happened like it is not.

What should people do to protest against fascists and neo nazis?

Give me one thing that can be done that would show the depth of feeling that would counter that venom, waving flowers? placards?

People are looking towards the establishment and what are they doing....Nothing, turning a blind eye to the hate filled rabble because the sad fact is it's state sanctioned.

It's not just a few idiots having a rant, it's an uprising. Nobody deserves any blame for railing against it. If you can't see that this is what legions of people fought and died to protect us from having to experience again then I pity you. You are not just blinkered but blind.

[Brillopad]

What should people do to protest against fascists and neo nazis?

Give me one thing that can be done that would show the depth of feeling that would counter that venom, waving flowers? placards?

People are looking towards the establishment and what are they doing....Nothing, turning a blind eye to the hate filled rabble because the sad fact is it's state sanctioned.

It's not just a few idiots having a rant, it's an uprising. Nobody deserves any blame for railing against it. If you can't see that this is what legions of people fought and died to protect us from having to experience again then I pity you. You are not just blinkered but blind.

Those that died did so because they loved their country and their way of life. They were trying to protect us all from the control of a mass murderer who had committed the genocide of millions.

Please enlighten me as to how that compares to today. Who exactly do you see as the next Hitler? Could you be over-reacting a bit there. I find you using their brave sacrifice as a weapon to try to control the thoughts of others quite disrespectful.

Personally I see much more controlling forces than a few extreme right wing thugs.

[Oliver_W]

The extremes on both sides are to blame for violence over the past few years. It wasn't right wingers who smashed up Berkely because they didn't want someone to give a talk, and BLM (who frequently destroy high streets) aren't right wing.

[user104658]

I have to say I'm pretty disgusted by some of the accusations towards other members about Nazis in this thread. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Do you mean the statement of fact that some people are expressing sympathies, however small, towards those with white supremacist / Nazi tendencies...

...which was disingenuously represented by those who it was aimed at as "calling them Nazis", most likely in an attempt to manipulate a warning/ban, when it was, in fact, not that, but exactly as described above?

:think:

There are Nazi / supremacist sympathies expressed in this thread. If that makes people uncomfortable, then they should probably stop doing it.

[Shaun]

It's frustrating.

Because whilst there are instances of 'the left' or left-leaning individuals punching and attacking people at EDL rallies or this Charlottesville event or Trump rallies or Westboro Baptists picketing things, the number of times they've resulted in fatalities and the number of times anything of the sort has even happened is currently far outnumbered by the murders and assaults committed by those on the right.

As usual, the right-wing are turning this into a "we're all as bad as each other" thing because their Daddy has said it and he's President, but the fact of the matter is white supremacy and racist attacks are far worse and heinous than being smacked for being a nazi.

However, to offer a middle ground :laugh: there is something quite disgusting and nauseating and "playground bully" about the number of people who'll share and retweet and like videos of the right being punched on social media. There's quite a strong and reliable chunk of people I follow getting off on that sort of thing and it's just sad and counter-productive. What's the point of condemning violence and hate if you're just laughing at the assault of idiots at the same time?

But as I say, extremism and terrorism is currently a far more right-wing problem than any other demographic. The stats don't lie.

[smudgie]

I can't get my head around the fact that these idiots can tool themselves up and arm themselves to go on a march, and not be breaking the law.
So much for the land of the free.:nono:

[Tom4784]

Do you apply that to everyone I wonder. It might be good to start with religion as hate between religions is often the worse.

PC is pretty tribal too.

Yes, there's plenty of cave drawings of cavemen telling each other to check their privilege scattered throughout the world.

[Cherie]

In SD's? No there aren't.

I can think of at least 3

[user104658]

I can think of at least 3

I guarantee I can tell you which "side" they lean towards.

[arista]

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[arista]

I guarantee I can tell you which "side" they lean towards.



How Nice

[Kizzy]

Those that died did so because they loved their country and their way of life. They were trying to protect us all from the control of a mass murderer who had committed the genocide of millions.

Please enlighten me as to how that compares to today. Who exactly do you see as the next Hitler? Could you be over-reacting a bit there. I find you using their brave sacrifice as a weapon to try to control the thoughts of others quite disrespectful.

Personally I see much more controlling forces than a few extreme right wing thugs.

I find your brand of thought control disrespectful frankly, it compares in respect to the media sanctioned propaganda that infects minds against sub sections the way it did in the 30s.

There is no one entity but a lurch toward an ideology that relies on the divide and conquer method, and it's working.

As I've said should you find those fighting against fascism to be on a par with those actively advocating fascism then you have my sympathy.

[Brillopad]

I find your brand of thought control disrespectful frankly, it compares in respect to the media sanctioned propaganda that infects minds against sub sections the way it did in the 30s.

There is no one entity but a lurch toward an ideology that relies on the divide and conquer method, and it's working.

As I've said should you find those fighting against fascism to be on a par with those actively advocating fascism then you have my sympathy.

It isn't fighting fascism its attempting to control people's thoughts, and using such tactics is not acceptable in my book. No sympathy required.

[user104658]

It isn't fighting fascism its attempting to control people's thoughts.

https://d15shllkswkct0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/09/Mind-Control.jpg

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Only those who aren't in control of their own minds are susceptible to having their minds controlled by others, Brillo...

[Northern Monkey]

When people step back from their team for a second and start thinking rationally is when progress is made.I've seen videos of Charlottesville where individuals from each faction were talking to each other and shaking hands and talking about finding common ground.It's when the ideologies cloud people's judgement and become all consuming that there are problems.Some people can't step away from their obsessive political ideologies.

[Livia]

I saw those images too... people from each side shaking hands and talking. I'd like to see more focus on that on the news.

[Northern Monkey]

I saw those images too... people from each side shaking hands and talking. I'd like to see more focus on that on the news.

Definitely.It is the way forward.It sets a good example to the rest when they become weary of the war and political mindset.

[Kizzy]

It isn't fighting fascism its attempting to control people's thoughts, and using such tactics is not acceptable in my book. No sympathy required.

Are you suggesting fascism doesn't exist? That there is no such thing as a fascist and all these anti fascists are simply thought police, you are aware of how infected that sounds surely?

I'm not saying that controlling peoples thoughts isn't a thing btw... As an example see the recent 'Muslim problem' article in the sun, or anything written by katie hopkins.