Sarah Champion resigns from Labour shadow cabinet over Pakistani rapists column :SUN

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/sarah-champion-resigns-from-labour-shadow-cabinet-over-sun-article-10991388


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LABOUR LEADER is happy
with speaking with her after this event.....

[Livia]

She didn't resign, she was sacked. Let's be honest about it... more honest that the Labour party are being.

How DARE she say that a load of Pakistani Muslim men are rapists... when they raped so many girls. White girls. That doesn't mean all Pakistani Muslim men are racist, but it does mean there is a problem in that community of how women are seen and treated and shying away from that so as not to offend anyone while young girls are being raped and passed around... well, it's the domain for the Guardian, isn't it.

[smudgie]

She didn't resign, she was sacked. Let's be honest about it... more honest that the Labour party are being.

How DARE she say that a load of Pakistani Muslim men are rapists... when they raped so many girls. White girls. That doesn't mean all Pakistani Muslim men are racist, but it does mean there is a problem in that community of how women are seen and treated and shying away from that so as not to offend anyone while young girls are being raped and passed around... well, it's the domain for the Guardian, isn't it.

It's a bloody nightmare.
The more it gets swept under the carpet the more it will happen.

[Northern Monkey]

She didn't resign, she was sacked. Let's be honest about it... more honest that the Labour party are being.

How DARE she say that a load of Pakistani Muslim men are rapists... when they raped so many girls. White girls. That doesn't mean all Pakistani Muslim men are racist, but it does mean there is a problem in that community of how women are seen and treated and shying away from that so as not to offend anyone while young girls are being raped and passed around... well, it's the domain for the Guardian, isn't it.

Yep:thumbs:

It's also burying their head in the sand instead of tackling the problem.

[Kazanne]

She didn't resign, she was sacked. Let's be honest about it... more honest that the Labour party are being.

How DARE she say that a load of Pakistani Muslim men are rapists... when they raped so many girls. White girls. That doesn't mean all Pakistani Muslim men are racist, but it does mean there is a problem in that community of how women are seen and treated and shying away from that so as not to offend anyone while young girls are being raped and passed around... well, it's the domain for the Guardian, isn't it.

100 % spot on,It's ridiculous that we cant say what race these scumbags are,i dont care what colour or creed they are they need outing and we need to stop being so bloody scared to speak out,if they are Asian,Pakistani well say so it's the truth,no one is saying they are all the same but it's proven that most are,calling white girls trash and abusing them,bastards ,lock them away or send them somewhere where they think that kind of thing is acceptable.this woman was sacked and unfairly so.

[jaxie]

She didn't resign, she was sacked. Let's be honest about it... more honest that the Labour party are being.

How DARE she say that a load of Pakistani Muslim men are rapists... when they raped so many girls. White girls. That doesn't mean all Pakistani Muslim men are racist, but it does mean there is a problem in that community of how women are seen and treated and shying away from that so as not to offend anyone while young girls are being raped and passed around... well, it's the domain for the Guardian, isn't it.

You are completely right. There is a problem in the community and a problem with appeasement.

[Tom4784]

Silly comments considering what she used to be the minister of.

Rapists are rapists, highlighting their race won't do anything other than potentially give rise to racial profiling and demonising a group of people by suggesting they are more likely to be rapists because of their race. People of all colours and creeds can turn out to be rapists, instead of focusing on skin colour, more should be done to cut off grooming and abuse at the root. More awareness, more education for kids, teachers, parents etc when it comes to recognising grooming and abuse and better resources for police investigations.

[Niamh.]

When Pakistani men are deliberately targeting white girls, calling them "white trash" to a police officer... there is a problem within that community. If we're not allowed to say that then things have already gone too far. The Asian community themselves have said they want this out in the open and shown for what it is: a hate crime. All Pakistani's don't want to be represented by these "men". If it was white men deliberately targeting Asian girls, as a white woman, I'd want this to be seen as a hate crime also.

The reaction of the Asian community has been more on the money that the white people who feel outraged on their behalf.

Dezzy - please note that because you have a different viewpoint, calling others' comments "silly" is baiting.

I would have thought it pretty obvious that the "silly comments" was referencing Sarah Champions comments.....the subject of the thread?

[Niamh.]

It wasn't obvious to me. Dezzy often says others' comments are silly. Which is why I posted that.

The whole topic is about that womans comments, seems pretty obvious to me

[Livia]

I've deleted my messages from this thread. Maybe just give me another infraction next time.

[Niamh.]

what are you on about? jeez

[Oliver_W]

I find it odd that people are whinging about her word use, rather than the ... problem ... she attempted to bring to light.

[Northern Monkey]

This lady should not lose her job when even Lord McDonald says -
Lord Macdonald QC and former head of the Crown Prosecution Service - The problem must be recognised for what it is, which is a "profoundly racist crime" and "a major problem in particular communities".


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/newcastle-child-sex-ring-asian-men-underage-white-girls-sex-abuse-racist-crime-lord-macdonald-cps-a7885571.html

[Northern Monkey]

"But this isn't racist, this is child protection and we need to be grown-up about this and deal with it."

Ms Champion said the prosecutions and convictions of grooming gangs are "predominantly Pakistani men", adding: "If it was people from a particular town that was doing this crime across the country, if it was people from - I don't know - a motorbike gang doing this, we'd recognise that as an indicator and we'd deal with it - but we're just not dealing with it."


Can't disagree with her.She speaks sense.

[Beso]

Whats corbyn saying about it?

[Oliver_W]

Whats corbyn saying about it?

I can't find any direct quotes, this is the closest I could find:
A source close to*Mr Corbyn confirmed he requested she leave his top team, (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/16/sarah-champion-quits-jeremy-corbyns-shadow-cabinet-warning-pakistani/) adding that it was not appropriate for Ms Champion to have suggested that Pakistani men are largely responsible for the grooming and rape of young white girls.*

Again I say appropriateness be damned, how many muslim grooming gangs need to come to light before something is done about it?

ETA: He also said it's "wrong to blame an entire ethnic community (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40959387)" for the grooming gangs, which she didn't do. It'd also wrong to ignore a huge problem, because you might appear "racist" for doing so.

Maybe instead of saying Pakistani, she should have said islamic, as it's a cultural thing rather than an ethnicity thing.

[Cherie]

"But this isn't racist, this is child protection and we need to be grown-up about this and deal with it."

Ms Champion said the prosecutions and convictions of grooming gangs are "predominantly Pakistani men", adding: "If it was people from a particular town that was doing this crime across the country, if it was people from - I don't know - a motorbike gang doing this, we'd recognise that as an indicator and we'd deal with it - but we're just not dealing with it."


Can't disagree with her.She speaks sense.

Yep she is, if this was say a group of Irish travellers who were recently involved in a puppy farm scandal they were rightly named, shamed and prosecuted as they were the main protagonists, no one batted an eyelid and nobody was up in arms that that other travellers might be tarred with the same brush

[arista]

Yep she is, if this was say a group of Irish travellers who were recently involved in a puppy farm scandal they were rightly named, shamed and prosecuted as they were the main protagonists, no one batted an eyelid and nobody was up in arms that that other travellers might be tarred with the same brush

Well Said
Cherie.

[arista]

"highlighting their race won't do anything other than potentially give....."

Dezzy you are sadly MOST WRONG
stated as a LEGAL FACT
last week on Ch5HD AM LIVE
they get Longer Sentences
once the Judge calls it a White Girl RAPE
from Asian Men

[bots]

i'm glad she spoke out, its about time someone did and no, she should never have been sacked for having the courage to speak the truth

[Northern Monkey]

Whats corbyn saying about it?

It's funny how this MP is sacked almost straight away for telling the truth about these Pakistani peado gangs.Don't forget she was the MP for Rotherham where the biggest case of this and biggest institutional cover up of this happened so she was close to this issue yet cases of anti semitism have been let fly over the years and Livingstone only suspended and the Labour anti semitism 'investigation' turned out to be compromised.The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

[Northern Monkey]

Yep she is, if this was say a group of Irish travellers who were recently involved in a puppy farm scandal they were rightly named, shamed and prosecuted as they were the main protagonists, no one batted an eyelid and nobody was up in arms that that other travellers might be tarred with the same brush

More hypocrisy

[Wizard.]

Silly comments considering what she used to be the minister of.

Rapists are rapists, highlighting their race won't do anything other than potentially give rise to racial profiling and demonising a group of people by suggesting they are more likely to be rapists because of their race. People of all colours and creeds can turn out to be rapists, instead of focusing on skin colour, more should be done to cut off grooming and abuse at the root. More awareness, more education for kids, teachers, parents etc when it comes to recognising grooming and abuse and better resources for police investigations.

I don't think you're getting the points? She was the MP of a constituency that had thousands of girls groomed, abused and raped by a sex ring of Pakistani men, why isn't this aloud to be highlighted? In a white majority country, you wouldn't point out their whiteness if it was white men. No, not all Pakistani/Asian men are like this or do these horrific crimes, but it is a problem that needs dealing with, and if nobody is willing to address the fact that these men are from a Pakistani background then we as a country are failing the young girl, the CHILDREN, that are being abused on a daily basis because nobody is willing to say the types of people involved in these gangs meaning that thy don't get caught.

That's what the people of Rochdale did, and those girls had to endure years of being raped because nobody spoke out for them Now that we know what's going on, we shouldn't let it go back to being a secret.

[Wizard.]

It is a specific culture within certain groups of Pakistani men that believe that white girls should be treated this way! A spade is a spade.

[Kizzy]

Children from areas of high social deprivation and specifically looked after children have ALWAYS been targeted by predatory groups of all kinds. The issue here was the divisory tone of the 'Muslim problem' article in of all rags the sun newspaper, this was pure propaganda.

It's unfortunate as there may be a measure of truth in her comments, we know there was suppression of information on known individuals and groups due to 'community cohesion' worries, that was wrong.
That said there has for years been suppression of information on many individuals and groups across a wide spectrum, where is the outing for those?

There was investigations into political, elite, celebrity figures being involved in paedophile rings, the focus is now on Muslim paedophiles as it suits the current narrative in the media imo.
Yes it is an issue, yes it should be addressed yet I am suspicious of the time and the place here.

She was NOT sacked, as she has herself stated

[Cherie]

Children from areas of high social deprivation and specifically looked after children have ALWAYS been targeted by predatory groups of all kinds. The issue here was the divisory tone of the 'Muslim problem' article in of all rags the sun newspaper, this was pure propaganda.

It's unfortunate as there may be a measure of truth in her comments, we know there was suppression of information on known individuals and groups due to 'community cohesion' worries, that was wrong.
That said there has for years been suppression of information on many individuals and groups across a wide spectrum, where is the outing for those?

There was investigations into political, elite, celebrity figures being involved in paedophile rings, the focus is now on Muslim paedophiles as it suits the current narrative in the media imo.
Yes it is an issue, yes it should be addressed yet I am suspicious of the time and the place here.

She was NOT sacked, as she has herself stated


Are they kidding Operation Yewtree who named may innocents during their investigation

Catholic priests all of whom are now tarred with the same brush, but hey that's fine

The problem here is the community is not coming out to condemn these men, all I have heard is "we shouldn't all be tarred", "the girls should have been looked after better", the community themselves are doing themselves no favours, hold your hands up and say yes it is a problem and we will address it in mosques and in schools and with the communities, show that yo are doing something rather than trying to make it go away, no one with a modicum of intelligence thinks all pakistanis are paedos, and to suggest such a thing is pretty ridiculous, yes there are groups on the right who will use it to their advantage but not addressing the problem is playing right into their hands

[Wizard.]

Children from areas of high social deprivation and specifically looked after children have ALWAYS been targeted by predatory groups of all kinds. The issue here was the divisory tone of the 'Muslim problem' article in of all rags the sun newspaper, this was pure propaganda.

It's unfortunate as there may be a measure of truth in her comments, we know there was suppression of information on known individuals and groups due to 'community cohesion' worries, that was wrong.
That said there has for years been suppression of information on many individuals and groups across a wide spectrum, where is the outing for those?

There was investigations into political, elite, celebrity figures being involved in paedophile rings, the focus is now on Muslim paedophiles as it suits the current narrative in the media imo.
Yes it is an issue, yes it should be addressed yet I am suspicious of the time and the place here.

She was NOT sacked, as she has herself stated

Well when is the right time to focus on this? It should be addressed immediately, you can't say the media never focused on white paedophiles but not you're saying because it's Muslims it's suspicious?

[Kizzy]

Well when is the right time to focus on this? It should be addressed immediately, you can't say the media never focused on white paedophiles but not you're saying because it's Muslims it's suspicious?

It without doubt should have been addressed immediately, it wasn't and is now being used as anti Muslim propaganda by the sun newspaper for one instance. Personally I find that suspicious.

[Tom4784]

I don't think you're getting the points? She was the MP of a constituency that had thousands of girls groomed, abused and raped by a sex ring of Pakistani men, why isn't this aloud to be highlighted? In a white majority country, you wouldn't point out their whiteness if it was white men. No, not all Pakistani/Asian men are like this or do these horrific crimes, but it is a problem that needs dealing with, and if nobody is willing to address the fact that these men are from a Pakistani background then we as a country are failing the young girl, the CHILDREN, that are being abused on a daily basis because nobody is willing to say the types of people involved in these gangs meaning that thy don't get caught.

That's what the people of Rochdale did, and those girls had to endure years of being raped because nobody spoke out for them Now that we know what's going on, we shouldn't let it go back to being a secret.

Where have I said that sex rings shouldn't be highlighted and exposed? I'm just against making it an issue of race when so many people will look at this story and pretend to care just so they can feel that their prejudices against anyone with brown skin is justified.

I care about the victims, I care about the crime and preventing it from happening again and prevention can be achieved without turning proceedings into an unhelpful racially motivated witch hunt PR exercise which Sarah Champion's comments have done.

[Kizzy]

Are they kidding Operation Yewtree who named may innocents during their investigation

Catholic priests all of whom are now tarred with the same brush, but hey that's fine

The problem here is the community is not coming out to condemn these men, all I have heard is "we shouldn't all be tarred", "the girls should have been looked after better", the community themselves are doing themselves no favours, hold your hands up and say yes it is a problem and we will address it in mosques and in schools and with the communities, show that yo are doing something rather than trying to make it go away, no one with a modicum of intelligence thinks all pakistanis are paedos, and to suggest such a thing is pretty ridiculous, yes there are groups on the right who will use it to their advantage but not addressing the problem is playing right into their hands

I'm not discussing innocents questioned during investigations, just those charged and convicted.

There is an issue within the Catholic church, that goes without saying doesn't it? Personally I haven't mentioned priests but thank you for reminding me that is another sub group that predators infiltrate to get access to young vulnerable people. Not all priests obviously, should the priests that are not paedophiles address the issue prior to every service; No of course they shouldn't

How do you know the communities are not coming out to condemn these people? I agree that like the Catholic priests nobody should be tarred and yet they are, to be fair what's wrong with saying looked after children should be better provided for? Services are being cut the bone so to be fair they have a point, it shouldn't be a stick to beat communities with that they express looked after kids are being exploited, they have been for years and the problem is just getting worse. We should all be saying that, not addressing it is playing right into every predators hand.

[Kizzy]

I don't think you're getting the points? She was the MP of a constituency that had thousands of girls groomed, abused and raped by a sex ring of Pakistani men, why isn't this aloud to be highlighted? In a white majority country, you wouldn't point out their whiteness if it was white men. No, not all Pakistani/Asian men are like this or do these horrific crimes, but it is a problem that needs dealing with, and if nobody is willing to address the fact that these men are from a Pakistani background then we as a country are failing the young girl, the CHILDREN, that are being abused on a daily basis because nobody is willing to say the types of people involved in these gangs meaning that thy don't get caught.

That's what the people of Rochdale did, and those girls had to endure years of being raped because nobody spoke out for them Now that we know what's going on, we shouldn't let it go back to being a secret.

Two words for you, cyril smith.

[Beso]

Where have I said that sex rings shouldn't be highlighted and exposed? I'm just against making it an issue of race when so many people will look at this story and pretend to care just so they can feel that their prejudices against anyone with brown skin is justified.

I care about the victims, I care about the crime and preventing it from happening again and prevention can be achieved without turning proceedings into an unhelpful racially motivated witch hunt PR exercise which Sarah Champion's comments have done.

I dont find it very caring that you fail the girls because some arsehole who is already a racist might feel justified in being a racist if you call these men exactly what they are...

[Tom4784]

I dont find it very caring that you fail the girls because some arsehole who is already a racist might feel justified in being a racist if you call these men exactly what they are...

I care more for the victims then people who are only interested in the story because they think it vindicates their hate of certain races. It doesn't help those to use their stories to stir up racial tension that could muddy both proceedings in this case and future cases.

I've never said that we should ignore their race, descriptions and such are vital in catching any kind of criminal but making it all about race will distort the case and any future investigations. These criminals are first and foremost rapists and that's what should be focused on here.

[Beso]

I care more for the victims then people who are only interested in the story because they think it vindicates their hate of certain races. It doesn't help those to use their stories to stir up racial tension that could muddy both proceedings in this case and future cases.

I've never said that we should ignore their race, descriptions and such are vital in catching any kind of criminal but making it all about race will distort the case and any future investigations. These criminals are first and foremost rapists and that's what should be focused on here.

First and foremost they are rapists with a desire to hurt and humiliate white girls...and thats what needs to be focused on

[Tom4784]

First and foremost they are rapists with a desire to hurt and humiliate white girls...and thats what needs to be focused on

Beyond creating a potential victim profile to prevent other girls that match the profile from falling victim, there's not much point in focusing on their race either.

Making a case about race muddies it and risks convictions. I'd rather stick to the facts of the case and make sure those ***** get convicted and imprisoned for a long time as well as education and such to help prevent future incidents like this from occurring.

[Beso]

Beyond creating a potential victim profile to prevent other girls that match the profile from falling victim, there's not much point in focusing on their race either.

Making a case about race muddies it and risks convictions. I'd rather stick to the facts of the case and make sure those ***** get convicted and imprisoned for a long time as well as education and such to help prevent future incidents like this from occurring.

They will get lighter sentences though if they are not charged with the racial side of things as well as the rape.:shrug:

[Sticks]

The way this has been handled, from now on, any female reporting any rape by people of a certain ethnicity will be charged with Incitement to Racial Hatred and outed as racist bigots for such obvious false accusations of fine men of good upstanding in their local community.

Such men from this demographic would never do such a thing, so any accusations of rape and sexual assault is pure racist bigotry.

And only racist bigots will disagree with this

You're not a racist bigot are you? :nono:

Well that seems to be Labour Party Policy under Jeremy Corbyn, and yes she was sacked. She was required to say she resigned, or else de-selection will be in the offing, not that anyone will admit it

[Sticks]

This attitude was partly behind the scandal at Rotherham, girls were not believed because they were too concerned about being politically correct.