ANTIFA - what do you make of it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/antifa-and-the-alt-left-everything-you-need-to-know-w498420

According to The Economist, the "word Antifa has its roots in Anti-Fascist Action, a name taken up by European political movements in the 1930s" which was revived in the 1990s, particularly in Germany. Peter Beinart writes that "in the late ’80s, left-wing punk fans in the United States began following suit, though they initially called their groups Anti-Racist Action, on the theory that Americans would be more familiar with fighting racism than fascism." Antifa groups are known for militant protest tactics, including property damage and sometimes physical violence. Antifa focuses more on fighting far-right ideology than encouraging pro-left policy (WIKI)


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[Brillopad]

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http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/antifa-and-the-alt-left-everything-you-need-to-know-w498420

According to The Economist, the "word Antifa has its roots in Anti-Fascist Action, a name taken up by European political movements in the 1930s" which was revived in the 1990s, particularly in Germany. Peter Beinart writes that "in the late ’80s, left-wing punk fans in the United States began following suit, though they initially called their groups Anti-Racist Action, on the theory that Americans would be more familiar with fighting racism than fascism." Antifa groups are known for militant protest tactics, including property damage and sometimes physical violence. Antifa focuses more on fighting far-right ideology than encouraging pro-left policy (WIKI)


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Fascists! And hypocrites!

[Oliver_W]

They hide their faces, attack people they disagree with, and use violence to stifle free speech ... whatever else they are, they can't say they're against fascism.

[Tom4784]

The 'Alt Left' As Trump would have you believe is basically just a creation from right wingers that are unable to bring themselves to criticise the extreme elements of the Right and, in turn, attempt to validate them by saying 'look over there!'

I dislike anyone that cannot protest peacefully since it undercuts the message they are trying to portray. Trying to wake people up to the fascism that's growing in the US won't work if these splinter groups are going around destroying property and committing violence.

The idea of the right trying to blame them for what happened in Charlottesville is beyond vile however because it's essentially defending Neo Nazis to do so. The Right need to disown the extreme elements, not become defensive and inadvertently defend them in turn.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"The antifa crowd has a very similar agenda with regard to traditional American liberalism. These goons and thugs oppose free speech, celebrate violence, despise dissent and have little use for anything else in the American political tradition. But many liberals, particularly in the media, are victims of the same kind of confusion that vexed so much of American liberalism in the 20th century. Because antifa suddenly has the (alt-)right enemies, they must be the good guys. They’re not."


http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/article/Antifa-radicals-aren-t-good-because-they-11882595.php

Interesting short article here ^^

[Oliver_W]

They don't really have anything to fight against, as there is no fascism anywhere near power in the West.

[Novo]

Was at a Anti-Trump protest where I live late last year, (I wasnt there protesting against him I was there to put a few questions forward to the local labour MP with a few others about why they are protesting against Trump's visit to the UK when Obama has commited hideous crimes and has blood on his hands, we actually got pretty good press and the local paper said something like " the trump protesters didn't have it all their own way as a group as a pro trump group made their voices heard " we had a couple of Muslim girls interview my friend who studies politics at Uni at the end of the protest and agreed with a lot of our points regarding Obama + border control reasons and their was also only a couple of police man there but they didn't stop either side voicing opinions which is what it's all about at the end of the day, was pretty healthy.

We were outnumbered like 200-20, I don't think Antifa would have been so tolerant of our " Build that Wall " or " Obama 20,000 bombs " chant that night though, would have had to retreat into the River Dee before they twatted us with their plastic drums

[Northern Monkey]

The extreme elements on both sides are twats.Usually out for a good old scrap and the rush of mock warfare.Not dissimilar to football hooligans.

[Tom4784]

The extreme elements on both sides are twats.Usually out for a good old scrap and the rush of mock warfare.Not dissimilar to football hooligans.

This is an thought process that I really don't have time for. Saying 'Well both sides are to blame!' is just ignoring the facts kind of like how Americans ignored the facts of the last election with that painfully ignorant attitude of 'well, they've both as bad as each other!' No, they weren't and that's being proven every day that angry OAP/Toddler hybrid is in office.

The Neo Nazis that went on an armed 'protest' are to blame for what happened there, who the **** arms themselves for a peaceful protest? They were looking for a fight and they created one and then one of them committed an act of terrorism. This isn't the fault of the left, this is exclusively the fault of Neo Nazis and the Right Wingers that legitimised them by refusing to denounce them.

[DemolitionRed]

The point is this, the far right are marching along with swastika flags and making Hitler salutes. They may have been protesting about a statue being removed; they may have even wanted a peaceful protest but just their mere presence is enough to incite anger in those who strongly disagree with their cause. The local issue (the statue) is overshadowed by their history and support of violence and murder to people of color and certain race, in particular, black African Americans, Muslims, and Jews.

The far-right say they want the right to express their hatred towards certain minority groups, the anti-right are saying, we won't allow you that right and I agree with them. I ask you, would it be okay for groups march against fat women? would it be okay for people to march against the disabled or the elderly? That may sound like a ridiculous comparison... I mean, such a thing would be cruel and inhuman.

When the anti-right march against race and color, they are being cruel, they are being inhuman and if you don't agree with that, then you have to question your own morals.

[MTVN]

Violence begets violence. Antifa pride themselves on violently confronting the right wing and they encourage a cycle of political violence by doing so

[RichardG]

nasty violent children

[Oliver_W]

This is an thought process that I really don't have time for. Saying 'Well both sides are to blame!' is just ignoring the facts kind of like how Americans ignored the facts of the last election with that painfully ignorant attitude of 'well, they've both as bad as each other!' No, they weren't and that's being proven every day that angry OAP/Toddler hybrid is in office.

The Neo Nazis that went on an armed 'protest' are to blame for what happened there, who the **** arms themselves for a peaceful protest? They were looking for a fight and they created one and then one of them committed an act of terrorism. This isn't the fault of the left, this is exclusively the fault of Neo Nazis and the Right Wingers that legitimised them by refusing to denounce them.
And what about the AntiFa who attacked the free speech rally a couple of months back? The attendees to that were unarmed, but the protestors went with gas and weapons, specifically to disrupt it. Same with the Milo speech in Berkeley.

The Nazis were in the wrong that time, and AntiFa are in the wrong every time they "protest"

[Tom4784]

And what about the AntiFa who attacked the free speech rally a couple of months back? The attendees to that were unarmed, but the protestors went with gas and weapons, specifically to disrupt it. Same with the Milo speech in Berkeley.

Pray tell, what does that have to do with what happened in Charlottesville? I'm so tired of people excusing Neo Nazis by bringing up unrelated incidents comitted by stupid ****ing idiots as justification for what happened.

Do you consider yourself Right Wing? If so, do you believe the armed Neo Nazi march and the subsequent terror attack represents the Right? If not then why endorse what essentially looks like a defense of Nazis by pointing blame at the Left instead of where it truly lies? With the ****ing Neo Nazis?! They probably aren't representative of what you believe so why do it?

I consider myself Left and I don't endorse Antifa (a bad comparison given that Neo Nazis were, and are now again with this attack, terrorists while Antifa are a bunch of moronic thugs) so why are so many Right Wingers refusing to denounce what happened in Charlottesville and the Neo Nazis involved?

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is an thought process that I really don't have time for. Saying 'Well both sides are to blame!' is just ignoring the facts kind of like how Americans ignored the facts of the last election with that painfully ignorant attitude of 'well, they've both as bad as each other!' No, they weren't and that's being proven every day that angry OAP/Toddler hybrid is in office.

The Neo Nazis that went on an armed 'protest' are to blame for what happened there, who the **** arms themselves for a peaceful protest? They were looking for a fight and they created one and then one of them committed an act of terrorism. This isn't the fault of the left, this is exclusively the fault of Neo Nazis and the Right Wingers that legitimised them by refusing to denounce them.

Who did not denounce them and why?

Can you provide names?

[Scarlett.]

They're a mirror creation of the Alt Right, a response. With no Alt Right, there'd be no Antifa, they exist because the Alt Right movement came about.

[arista]

"I dislike anyone that cannot protest peacefully since it undercuts the message they are trying to portray."

I agree
YOUNG DEZZY

[arista]

Violence begets violence. Antifa pride themselves on violently confronting the right wing and they encourage a cycle of political violence by doing so


BANG ON RIGHT

[MTVN]

They're a mirror creation of the Alt Right, a response. With no Alt Right, there'd be no Antifa, they exist because the Alt Right movement came about.

Antifa have existed way before anyone had even heard the term 'alt right' though

[bots]

they are just another group of extremists. There will always be some reason for such groups to get together and cause a bit of anarchy, the cause is less important than the action

[Northern Monkey]

This is an thought process that I really don't have time for. Saying 'Well both sides are to blame!' is just ignoring the facts kind of like how Americans ignored the facts of the last election with that painfully ignorant attitude of 'well, they've both as bad as each other!' No, they weren't and that's being proven every day that angry OAP/Toddler hybrid is in office.

The Neo Nazis that went on an armed 'protest' are to blame for what happened there, who the **** arms themselves for a peaceful protest? They were looking for a fight and they created one and then one of them committed an act of terrorism. This isn't the fault of the left, this is exclusively the fault of Neo Nazis and the Right Wingers that legitimised them by refusing to denounce them.
Just because the far right/KKK/Nazis = bad that doesn't automatically mean
The far left/militant anarchists = good.
They are violent militant extremist thugs.They also go on marches tooled up with weapons destroying property and assaulting people.
They've been causing chaos,pain and destruction a long time before Charlottesville happened but nobody gets to hear about it on mainstream media.
So yes when i see them in action i think they are twats just as i do when i see the far right idiots parading around with Nazi flags or stupid pointy hats.

[Kizzy]

It's odd, if anyone on the left want change by peaceful processes they are mocked as being hippy, lefty, sjws scoffed at for thier marches, banners, sit-ins, petitions and so on...yet the minute there is a sniff of violence they are accused of fascism! :/

It's a joke, a sick sick joke and the lead by the noses are sucking it up

[Scarlett.]

Antifa have existed way before anyone had even heard the term 'alt right' though

Indeed, but they're grown exponentially lately.

[JTM45]

The Nazis were in the wrong that time, and AntiFa are in the wrong every time they "protest"

So you're saying that there's times when 'The Nazis' aren't in the wrong ? :think:

[Liberty4eva]

They are Communist thugs. Should be immediately deported to North Korea to get a lesson in what their beliefs will ultimately lead to.

[jaxie]

Anyone having to cover their faces to act, react, or protest are sinister and up to no good.

[jennyjuniper]

At the G20 meeting in Hamburg this year a lot of damage was caused by antifa for no reason. A video, taken by someone living on a quiet street in the city showed a deserted street. No police, no far right opposition, nobody. Yet still these antifa thugs destroyed it. Uprooting signs, smashing small businesses windows and generally destroying the place...for what?
Charlottsville was a disaster waiting to happen. The nazi's came armed, but for a long time now, antifa have been showing up at marches armed. Sometimes with disgusting missiles of bottles containing urine and feces.
The only reason antifa cover their faces is because they know when they attend a protest or march that they are going to commit crimes.

[Brillopad]

Anyone having to cover their faces to act, react, or protest are sinister and up to no good.

Exactly!!!

[JTM45]

Anyone having to cover their faces to act, react, or protest are sinister and up to no good.

Like these guys you mean ? ''Exactly!!!'' :laugh3:

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They are Communist thugs.

So what exactly defines Antifa as ''communist'' then ? I guess it's probably just another case of the 'alt-right light' (forum edition) tossing words around not even knowing what they mean. :shrug:

In the build-up to Trump's latest 'Rally' (aka narcissistic staged distraction party) in Phoenix one Trump’s own most prominent online supporters, Mike Cernovich, made this admission on Twitter: “I’m told some Trump supporters will be wearing ANTIFA attire and going undercover during Trump Phoenix rally” and then just yesterday someone posted an ad in Craigslist trying to hire ''minorities'' to attend the rally and pretend to be Trump supporters! :laugh: That's nothing new mind you. Nearly every one of these silly rallies he's held AFTER his election has had a wall of staged ****** for Trump (insert 'women', 'mexicans', 'blacks') placard wavers stood right behind the orange imbecile looking sooooooo not fake.

So yeah.............a lot of the publicized cases of 'violent Antifa protestors' were undercover hires there to do a job and the 'smart' right lapped it up and shouted extremely loudly about it (and still are, as regularly seen here!). Job done! Lucky it was all so transparent.:bored:

Even the guy who wrote Trump's ''The Art of the Deal'' (the one that he pretended to have written himself) said last week that he thinks Trump's resignation is imminent. I personally hope he waits until someone boots him out of the White House. He deserves nothing less!

What's the bets that the incidence of 'violent Antifa protests' plummets once he's out of office ? :joker:

[Liberty4eva]

Like these guys you mean ? ''Exactly!!!'' :laugh3:

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So what exactly defines Antifa as ''communist'' then ? I guess it's probably just another case of the 'alt-right light' (forum edition) tossing words around not even knowing what they mean. :shrug:

In the build-up to Trump's latest 'Rally' (aka narcissistic staged distraction party) in Phoenix one Trump’s own most prominent online supporters, Mike Cernovich, made this admission on Twitter: “I’m told some Trump supporters will be wearing ANTIFA attire and going undercover during Trump Phoenix rally” and then just yesterday someone posted an ad in Craigslist trying to hire ''minorities'' to attend the rally and pretend to be Trump supporters! :laugh: That's nothing new mind you. Nearly every one of these silly rallies he's held AFTER his election has had a wall of staged ****** for Trump (insert 'women', 'mexicans', 'blacks') placard wavers stood right behind the orange imbecile looking sooooooo not fake.

So yeah.............a lot of the publicized cases of 'violent Antifa protestors' were undercover hires there to do a job and the 'smart' right lapped it up and shouted extremely loudly about it (and still are, as regularly seen here!). Job done! Lucky it was all so transparent.:bored:

Even the guy who wrote Trump's ''The Art of the Deal'' (the one that he pretended to have written himself) said last week that he thinks Trump's resignation is imminent. I personally hope he waits until someone boots him out of the White House. He deserves nothing less!

What's the bets that the incidence of 'violent Antifa protests' plummets once he's out of office ? :joker:

Trump's presidency has been corrupted from within. He has been making mistakes but he won't resign. I can't even begin to count the number of times people said he was going to quit the presidential election before the vote. He is not going to quit.

Trump hasn't been that successful as a president but he is still by a clear country mile my favorite president of my lifetime. The thing I really respect about him is he at least made an honest attempt to do what he said he would do before sinister forces thwarted his efforts. So often presidents don't even try or they don't make a sincere effort to accomplish it.

[Underscore]

Antifa > Neonazis

[JTM45]

Trump hasn't been that successful as a president but he is still by a clear country mile my favorite president of my lifetime. The thing I really respect about him is he at least made an honest attempt to do what he said he would do before sinister forces thwarted his efforts. So often presidents don't even try or they don't make a sincere effort to accomplish it.

America should be ashamed of you!
'Trump' and 'honest' are two words that can never truthfully be seen together, unless there's a 'dis' in front of the honest!

He was already known as a cheat and a con-man before he even committed treason against the people of the US.
You're soooooo deluded about US Presidents! Every one in my lifetime did more than Trump could dream of doing. He's done barely anything other than tweet, play golf and cost the Tax payer a fortune (more than any other President in the time he's been 'in office').
He didn't even run for the right reasons. He's in it for revenge and spite. He doesn't give a toss about the American people and he lies constantly.
He'll be gone soon. I guarantee it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

America should be ashamed of you!
'Trump' and 'honest' are two words that can never truthfully be seen together, unless there's a 'dis' in front of the honest!

He was already known as a cheat and a con-man before he even committed treason against the people of the US.
You're soooooo deluded about US Presidents! Every one in my lifetime did more than Trump could dream of doing. He's done barely anything other than tweet, play golf and cost the Tax payer a fortune (more than any other President in the time he's been 'in office').
He didn't even run for the right reasons. He's in it for revenge and spite. He doesn't give a toss about the American people and he lies constantly.
He'll be gone soon. I guarantee it.

Were you not on here telling us he wont last a month back in Feb?

you can guarantee nothing:hee:

[Liberty4eva]

America should be ashamed of you!
'Trump' and 'honest' are two words that can never truthfully be seen together, unless there's a 'dis' in front of the honest!

He was already known as a cheat and a con-man before he even committed treason against the people of the US.
You're soooooo deluded about US Presidents! Every one in my lifetime did more than Trump could dream of doing. He's done barely anything other than tweet, play golf and cost the Tax payer a fortune (more than any other President in the time he's been 'in office').
He didn't even run for the right reasons. He's in it for revenge and spite. He doesn't give a toss about the American people and he lies constantly.
He'll be gone soon. I guarantee it.

All the presidents of my lifetime have sold out America to global interests. Trump is the first president in a long long time to not do that.

With the vitriolic hatred displayed by yourself and others of your ilk towards an elected leader it is very possible that Trump will be gone. Although it will be done by bullet and not through Constitutional process.

[JTM45]

Were you not on here telling us he wont last a month back in Feb?

you can guarantee nothing:hee:

Nope.

He's not going to last much longer but i never said he'd be gone by March. The real rot was only just starting to show then.
He DEFINITELY won't last a full term and i'd be unpleasantly surprised if he's still polluting the White House by Christmas.

His Russian ex mafia 'friend' and fellow criminal Felix Sater said only this week that he is now convinced that himself and very probably Trump will end up behind bars. Sater has been working with the FBI over the last few months trying to get the best deal he can while selling Trumpski up the river. It'll be so much fun when this all comes to a head.:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope.

He's not going to last much longer but i never said he'd be gone by March. The real rot was only just starting to show then.
He DEFINITELY won't last a full term and i'd be unpleasantly surprised if he's still polluting the White House by Christmas.

His Russian ex mafia 'friend' and fellow criminal Felix Sater said only this week that he is now convinced that himself and very probably Trump will end up behind bars. Sater has been working with the FBI over the last few months trying to get the best deal he can while selling Trumpski up the river. It'll be so much fun when this all comes to a head.:laugh:

and of course you also guaranteed that he would not be president?

i mean, you are not going to tell us you predicted his triumph?

are you?

:)

[JTM45]

All the presidents of my lifetime have sold out America to global interests. Trump is the first president in a long long time to not do that.


So what was he doing in Saudi Arabia a few months back then, selling billions of dollars worth of arms to one of the strictest, most radically Islamic Nations on the Planet then ?:think:

[JTM45]

and of course you also guaranteed that he would not be president?



Again NOPE!:nono:

I didn't think he would be President and i was correct (i mean an ACTUAL working President not just someone with the title).

I, along with millions of others, obviously didn't have a clue that Russia was Fixing it for him behind the scenes.

He couldn't even make an average success from the fortune he inherited (fraudulently by altering his dying father's will). If he hadn't been such a screw-up even moderately successful trading or real estate investment should have made his inheritance worth over $20 Billion by now. But instead everything he got involved in went bust and he filed for bankruptcy seven times.
Why would his fake 'Presidency' end any differently ?

[Brillopad]

Again NOPE!:nono:

I didn't think he would be President and i was correct (i mean an ACTUAL working President not just someone with the title).

I, along with millions of others, obviously didn't have a clue that Russia was Fixing it for him behind the scenes.

He couldn't even make an average success from the fortune he inherited (fraudulently by altering his dying father's will). If he hadn't been such a screw-up even moderately successful trading or real estate investment should have made his inheritance worth over $20 Billion by now. But instead everything he got involved in went bust and he filed for bankruptcy seven times.
Why would his fake 'Presidency' end any differently ?

So you're in the know about his father's will now!

[JTM45]

So you're in the know about his father's will now!

I just read what's commonly available. You should maybe try it instead of just looking for more Islamaphobic 'articles' to cling onto all the time.

From 'The Hill';

Donald Trump had helped draft the will. At the time, Freddy Trump’s children sued, claiming Donald Trump and his siblings had used “undue influence” over their grandfather, who had dementia.

Donald retaliated by withdrawing the medical benefits he had promised to his nephew’s infant son, who suffered from seizures that led to cerebral palsy, according to the Times.

[Brillopad]

So you're saying that there's times when 'The Nazis' aren't in the wrong ? :think:

Well that rather depends on your interpretation of 'nazis doesn't it. Are you talking of those nazis that murdered millions of innocent people, including children, those that support violent protests and carry swastica flags or those that get labelled as 'nazis' for having anything from centre right views upwards by the far-left.

If those far-left 'thinkers' can't even decide what a 'nazi' is how can anyone answer such a loaded question.

[JTM45]

It wasn't me who made the statement regarding ''The Nazis''. It was Oliver W. So again you make absolutely no valid or meaningful point.
Can you show me a single instance where i refer to anyone as a 'Nazi' where it isn't an accurate label ? No, i didn't think so. It's not the kind of label i'd ever throw around carelessly, unlike you do with Muslim extremist every 5 minutes.

So my question was a totally valid one that you didn't answer, even though it wasn't directed at you. So, in the context it was intended and in the correct definition of the word i stand by my point. Is there ever a time when ''The Nazis'' aren't in the wrong.

[Livia]

Like these guys you mean ? ''Exactly!!!'' :laugh3:

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You understand that security and police dealing with sensitive targets have to remain anonymous for the sake of their own safety, right?. I mean, you get that these are not terrorists up to no good and wearing masks as a way of not being identified? And you can see that they have the word "SHERIFF" marked prominently?

Antifa is an extremist group. And all extremists are bad, whichever end of the scale the are.

[JTM45]

You understand that security and police dealing with sensitive targets have to remain anonymous for the sake of their own safety, right?. I mean, you get that these are not terrorists up to no good and wearing masks as a way of not being identified? And you can see that they have the word "SHERIFF" marked prominently?

Antifa is an extremist group. And all extremists are bad, whichever end of the scale the are.

Of course 'I' understand this.

I was making a point in relation to the blanket statement below.

Originally Posted by jaxie View Post
Anyone having to cover their faces to act, react, or protest are sinister and up to no good.

[Livia]

Of course 'I' understand this.

I was making a point in relation to the blanket statement below.

Well it was a poorly made point. I think we all know to whom Jaxie was referring.

[JTM45]

Well it was a poorly made point. I think we all know to whom Jaxie was referring.

I guess i was taking the word ''Anyone'' too literally. I tend to do that.