Updates on Frow (from DS)

[supertv247]

Someone over at DS contacted Frow and here's what he got back.....

"The show is down 20% year on year and the cost means its now losing a lot of money."
"The ball is firmly in the court of endemol/shine and what happens next is upto them"
"instead of just saying 'its axed' either they improve the performance or cut even more from the budget"

His keynote is later today so I'm sure we'll get the full story.
Make or Break has also been recommissioned for a longer series next summer

[Greg!]

Hahahahahaha at them recommissioning Make or Break. It LITERALLY got 500k viewers a night so how can he complain about BB's ratings

[Cal.]

Endemol need to be bloody good producers then don't they!

[bots]

this could easily be the last BB UK episode

[Greg!]

So what does this mean then? They'll see how CBB21 does before deciding on axing it / cutting the budget?

[lewis111]

If they're so worried about the budget why not cut things like The Vault, and that forest one from last series, He'll from CBB19
Not pay like 100k for ****ing Grant what's his face
Have less celebrities in each CBB - 19 was FAR too many

Like they could easily cut the budget and if anything the show would actually improve

[supertv247]

Frow also said he doesn't not like BB, he just doesn't like how it takes up so much of his schedule.


Yet he insists on 3 series a year which nobody asked for

[Greg!]

Right what's Ben Frow's email I want to knock some bloody sense into him

[lewis111]

I can see them maybe doing like a 40 day CBB In January and then a 40 day BB in summer
Takes up less of his previous schedule that he can now use to fill with more programmes about people on benefits

[Cal.]

Frow also said he doesn't not like BB, he just doesn't like how it takes up so much of his schedule.


Yet he insists on 3 series a year which nobody asked for

Bloody hell the fans only want a 4 week CBB in January and 9 week civilian in summer. That's 13 weeks. He's the one that puts CBB on for 5 weeks in January, 8 weeks in summer and another 5 weeks CBB in August!

[bots]

So what does this mean then? They'll see how CBB21 does before deciding on axing it / cutting the budget?

if its losing money, they will just axe it now. No point losing more money next year

[waterhog]

if it stops being about a ???? fest and fake love - we have got a good game.

[supertv247]

It LOOKS like what he's trying to do is keep BB but pay less for it, because he knows nobody else will want it so Endemol will have no choice but to give him it for cheaper

[T*]

It LOOKS like what he's trying to do is keep BB but pay less for it, because he knows nobody else will want it so Endemol will have no choice but to give him it for cheaper

I hope endemol tell him to get ****ed
There's bigger fish to fry

[Jase.]

Does he have ANYTHING nice/good to say about the show? Rat :umm2:

[JayGreen]

To be fair if they are losing money it makes sense from a business point of view. I cant see it being around after next year and i also dont think any other channel with pick it up this time. Not for a good few years anyway.

[Greg!]

Hopefully this means if they do renew it, summer CBB will no longer be a thing. That would be the logical thing to do if he thinks BB is too much money and takes up too much of the schedule, no?

[Jarrod]

Endemol aren't to blame here, it's Channel 5.

[RichardG]

Endemol aren't to blame here, it's Channel 5.

to be fair i think endemol are the ones involved in the production right? and they've done a pretty crap job recently

[Littlegreen]

So they extend the flop Love Island rip-off???

CAHHHHHH you couldn't make it up!

[Jarrod]

to be fair i think endemol are the ones involved in the production right? and they've done a pretty crap job recently

Endemol don't pull the strings on decisions like tasks and twists etc. Basically all the decisions come from Channel 5.

[JayGreen]

It is Channel 5 that have ruined big brother, they haven't looked after the show at all. If they are unhappy its declining its their own fault. Ive seens tons of fans expressing what they want to see or how they feel about the show on social media over the last few years so its not like people arnt telling them what they want/what they dont want. They just dont listen. The quality of the show has gone down hill and the producers are just lazy. Rehashing old tasks and back door evictions when they cant be bothered to hold an eviction show. Putting a reality star in civilian big brother then putting someone from the same show (just set in another country) into the celebrity series that takes place right after the civil. Its a mess.

[y.winter]

Seriously? After all that he said about BB, he has renewed the failing LI rip-off? Is that the shiny future of your schedule, Ben?

[Jarrod]

It is Channel 5 that have ruined big brother, they haven't looked after the show at all. If they are unhappy its declining its their own fault. Ive seens tons of fans expressing what they want to see or how they feel about the show on social media over the last few years so its not like people arnt telling them what they want/what they dont want. They just dont listen. The quality of the show has gone down hill and the producers are just lazy. Rehashing old tasks and back door evictions when they cant be bothered to hold an eviction show. Putting a reality star in civilian big brother then putting someone from the same show (just set in another country) into the celebrity series that takes place right after the civil. Its a mess.

Blame cannot lie with the producers. They are just doing what they're told to do by the channel.

[Osjama]

Doesn't make it or break it get abysmal ratings lmao

Take bb away from c5 tbhimo any takers?????

[JayGreen]

Blame cannot lie with the producers. They are just doing what they're told to do by the channel.

I would imagine the producers have creative control.

[Wizard.]

Cut the budget? It already looks like a cheap plastic version of its former self.

[Jarrod]

I would imagine the producers have creative control.

Trust what I'm saying - the producers can only do so much. All big decisions regarding twists come from the channel. Most of the crew and producers have been working on this programme since the Channel 4 days - why would they make it the way it is? The big decisions on how the show runs come from the channel unfortunately.

[RileyH]

Just scrap Summer CBB and have a longer civilian, it's what people want and it takes up less ****ing time.

Also, Flop or Break is tragic and the fact their renewing it for a longer series is even worse :umm2:

[T*]

Put it out of its misery for the love of god

[supertv247]

Apparently Frow has stated he is not moving to channel 4

[T*]

Apparently Frow has stated he is moving to channel 4

Good luck Channel 4...

[bots]

whoever is responsible for its current state is irrelevant. Frow used to be a champion of the format, and he has changed his tune completely. Those aren't the words spoken of someone that is enthusiastic about it, it's difficult to see a future for it next year let alone a contract renewal when he is at the centre of deciding its future.

[supertv247]

Good luck Channel 4...

I meant he's not moving, my mistake

[Greg!]

So we've been blaming endemol for the show being a bit **** but it's actually all Ben Frow's fault?

[Greg!]

God, do you know what? I hope it's axed. Channel 5 doesn't deserve it

[supertv247]

I always knew it was Channel 5's fault as it only became **** when Channel 5 took it!

Frow even said he didn't want to target 16-34's on the main C5 channel as he wants mass audience there, yet he insists on making BB out to be like Love Island and all about young showmances etc??????

[Greg!]

Omg it all makes sense now. Ok the editing was messy from 2011-2012 but at least the format was consistent and true to the original. Then Frow arrived in 2013 and that's when we started getting constant twists and messy nominations rules. It's his bloody fault

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Omg it all makes sense now. Ok the editing was messy from 2011-2012 but at least the format was consistent and true to the original. Then Frow arrived in 2013 and that's when we stared getting constant twists and messy nominations rules. It's his bloody fault

I would take the nauseating editing of 2011 all over again if it meant a longer, more consistent series where we understood what was going on.

[Greg!]

If he wants to cut the budget then don't spend thousands on getting celebs to be guests in the civillian Big Brother!!!! Silly man

[supertv247]

Omg it all makes sense now. Ok the editing was messy from 2011-2012 but at least the format was consistent and true to the original. Then Frow arrived in 2013 and that's when we started getting constant twists and messy nominations rules. It's his bloody fault

This just makes me understand Frow even less then, because when he joined they added 2 hours of live feed daily to 5star?

Then in 2015 they added an hour daily after CBB and kept it for 3 series? Yet he's here saying he'd rather have no big brother and it takes up too much of his schedule?

So what is the truth?

[Greg!]

WHAT is his email address, can someone please tell me

[Jason.]

WHAT is his email address, can someone please tell me

Death threats imminent?

[Greg!]

Death threats imminent?

Bsvzvzz no I just want to tell him politely how to fix the show

[Greg!]

I would take the nauseating editing of 2011 all over again if it meant a longer, more consistent series where we understood what was going on.

Exactly :clap1:

The editing has actually got worse than BB12 now anyway

[poppsywoppsy]

Make or Break deserved dismal ratings. Same thing, night in and out, at least CBB has different types of situations and tasks.

As for that supposed sex expert, we fast forwarded her bit as she was so laughable whilst thinking she was so cool and informed.

It has to change drastically before we watch it again and there wasn't any revenue from the voting public either.

[Amy Jade]

BB fans are crying out for a back to basics series. Why do they insist on these terrible twists and stupid sets for one task?

They could decorate on a budget and let nominations run from tuesday to friday (to bring in revenue) and bring the tasks back to basic concepts like the box task (one of the best EVER tasks imo) and if the show still fails then yeah maybe it just has run it's course but Channel 5 need to take a long hard look at why it had lost so many viewers, they've destroyed the show almost beyond recognition now so Frow can eat ****.

[reece(:]

They wouldn't need to cut budgets if they didn't offer absurd amounts of money about like 700k to Ray J or w.e.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

BB fans are crying out for a back to basics series. Why do they insist on these terrible twists and stupid sets for one task?

They could decorate on a budget and let nominations run from tuesday to friday (to bring in revenue) and bring the tasks back to basic concepts like the box task (one of the best EVER tasks imo) and if the show still fails then yeah maybe it just has run it's course but Channel 5 need to take a long hard look at why it had lost so many viewers, they've destroyed the show almost beyond recognition now so Frow can eat ****.

This! It annoys me so much that they assume expensive = better. Big Brother was great without the spinning stairs, the constant redecoration and the huge task 'arenas'. We could look past a really cheap production if the housemates were entertaining and diverse, there was a consistent format and the tasks were creative (by creative I mean, not 'Who said this about this person in the diary room?').

Some of the best Channel 4 series tasks include the cheapest and simplest ones: the box task, the no sleep task of the top of my head.

[Rob!]

To be fair to Make or Break, it started off with 500k and remained insanely consistent throughout it's whole run barely losing any viewers from start to finish, so you can kind of see why he'd like to give it another go. Especially considering that Love Island started off with very similar figures and grew like mad. Having just watched the leaders debate, he wasn't quite as desparaging about the show as his quotes would suggest when put into context about what they were talking about, because he also said that Big Brother is still their highest young viewers skew. But his own conversation should be interesting. The fact he said "I like the ratings" means he isn't washing his hands of it just yet but something needs to change.

[T*]

They cannot complain about budgeting when they created a random vault room for one nomination session
They made their own bed

[Greg!]

Has Ben Frow done his Edinburgh Q&A session thing yet?

[supertv247]

To be fair to Make or Break, it started off with 500k and remained insanely consistent throughout it's whole run barely losing any viewers from start to finish, so you can kind of see why he'd like to give it another go. Especially considering that Love Island started off with very similar figures and grew like mad.

MoB also consolidated to a series average of over 800k which isn't bad at all for a first series these days

[Rob!]

MoB also consolidated to a series average of over 800k which isn't bad at all for a first series these days

That IS quite good. Wow. Urgh, especially considering what the civilian run got this year.

[HBIC]

Frow also said he doesn't not like BB, he just doesn't like how it takes up so much of his schedule.


Yet he insists on 3 series a year which nobody asked for
I thought the 3 series a year thing was because Channel 5 only wanted two CBBs a year but Endemol insisted they pick up the civilian version and Bit on the Side as well?

Make or Break is probably pretty cheap to make and the ratings were consistent so I can see why it was renewed.

I think Channel 5 will try and negotiate a deal where they only have CBB like Germany does.

[Ramsay]

Put it out of its misery for the love of god

This.
Or a really long break. Like 5 or so years.

[Pink Panther]

BB fans are crying out for a back to basics series. Why do they insist on these terrible twists and stupid sets for one task?

They could decorate on a budget and let nominations run from tuesday to friday (to bring in revenue) and bring the tasks back to basic concepts like the box task (one of the best EVER tasks imo) and if the show still fails then yeah maybe it just has run it's course but Channel 5 need to take a long hard look at why it had lost so many viewers, they've destroyed the show almost beyond recognition now so Frow can eat ****.

What's the 'box' task?