Ben Frow's session

[supertv247]

At 28:00 he talks about Big Brother for a few minutes (and addresses the hate mail he got last week :laugh2:)

https://youtu.be/RaxEVlhAaOU

[RileyH]

He wouldn't get so much hate if he actually ran the show ****ing properly

[Crimson Dynamo]

first time i have ever seen him , very camp.

[Greg!]

I'll tell you how to make it "relevant for now" Ben Frow, bring back live feed, i.e. the point of the show, stick to the original format and stop making up stupid twists every single week.

[Greg!]

God I've watched the first 5 minutes of the whole session. I've never heard anyone talk so much ****e in all my life.

"I think Channel 5 is a Northern channel. We don't want anyone from London watching" :umm2:

"I imagine Channel 5 viewers being from Middlesbrough. I don't know where Middlesbrough is though." :umm2:

"I think the typical channel 5 viewer is an old lady and her granddaughter watching TV together" :umm2:

He talks fookin bollocks! :Chanelle:

[RileyH]

#BringBackNormalNominations

[RileyH]

#BringBackLiveFeed

[Cal.]

God I've watched the first 5 minutes of the whole session. I've never heard anyone talk so much ****e in all my life.

"I think Channel 5 is a Northern channel. We don't want anyone from London watching" :umm2:

"I imagine Channel 5 viewers being from Middlesbrough. I don't know where Middlesbrough is though." :umm2:

"I think the typical channel 5 viewer is an old lady and her granddaughter watching TV together" :umm2:

He talks fookin bollocks! :Chanelle:

What the **** is he on

[RileyH]

God I've watched the first 5 minutes of the whole session. I've never heard anyone talk so much ****e in all my life.

"I think Channel 5 is a Northern channel. We don't want anyone from London watching" :umm2:

"I imagine Channel 5 viewers being from Middlesbrough. I don't know where Middlesbrough is though." :umm2:

"I think the typical channel 5 viewer is an old lady and her granddaughter watching TV together" :umm2:

He talks fookin bollocks! :Chanelle:

:skull::skull::skull:

[supertv247]

God I've watched the first 5 minutes of the whole session. I've never heard anyone talk so much ****e in all my life.

"I think Channel 5 is a Northern channel. We don't want anyone from London watching" :umm2:

"I imagine Channel 5 viewers being from Middlesbrough. I don't know where Middlesbrough is though." :umm2:

"I think the typical channel 5 viewer is an old lady and her granddaughter watching TV together" :umm2:

He talks fookin bollocks! :Chanelle:

Is he ****ing on drugs

[bots]

video isnt accessible

[Buck]

Has the video been deleted? What did he say about Big Brother?

[Greg!]

Has the video been deleted? What did he say about Big Brother?

Oop yeah I think it's been deleted, he basically said that BB is useful for the channel but he'd rather he didn't have it and could just rely on his own programmes for ratings. When he got asked if it would be renewed he said it needed to change drastically to be "more relevant for now" whatever that means. He also said he'd got a lot of hate mail for his comments about BB.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He said 2 million was a BIg BIG number for C5 but does not want to be held to ransom by the company that makes BB

[Jason.]

"I think Channel 5 is a Northern channel. We don't want anyone from London watching"

Don't think they were watching in the first place?

[Serg]

:fist:

[Buck]

Oop yeah I think it's been deleted, he basically said that BB is useful for the channel but he'd rather he didn't have it and could just rely on his own programmes for ratings. When he got asked if it would be renewed he said it needed to change drastically to be "more relevant for now" whatever that means. He also said he'd got a lot of hate mail for his comments about BB.
Thank you for the information - so the future of BB is still in limbo. :(

[RichardG]

"I think Channel 5 is a Northern channel. We don't want anyone from London watching" :umm2:



the tesco ladies in the crowd will be fuming

[supertv247]

He deleted it but I know someone's who saved it so it'll be on twitter soon

[Jodie.]

Let’s spread some positivity and just notice that he didn’t say it’ll be axed, they’re giving it a chance next year to get the ratings up x

Come THROUGH Endemol to make a good show
Come THROUGH old fans x

[Crimson Dynamo]

He did mention Love Island in terms of "er well Love Island trashed BB so they better think of something pretty quick or its toast"

[Littlegreen]

What is hilarious is that Love Island may have been a huge success this year, but next year it could easily flop again.

BB has been around for so long you can't ever really count it out, the problem is the people in charge seem to be chasing a perception of what is "young", "current" and "popular" instead of remembering why BB was such a phenomenon in the first place.

Regular people living in a space together under the observation of Big Brother, while the public view them 24/7 and decide who stays/goes.

[bots]

he is correct in one sense though, things do need to change with BB and going back to basics isn't going to give the audience boost required, it has to be something new and engaging

[Wizard.]

re-upload!

[JayGreen]

Video has been removed or made unavailable.

[Jack_]

'How will it be creatively renewed?'

'We need to take a good long look at Big Brother and go "what does it look like for the future? What is Big Brother of the future"

'That means creative people, creative people (lol good luck with this production team xx) getting together in a room and thrashing it out'

'How do we refresh?

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Well, you know what's coming now... :hehe: switch to the US format (potentially with some tweaks), up the prize fund to £250k and make people auditioning aware that it will not be a summer holiday but a gameshow, then make half the cast people who want the money at any cost and the other half people like Jayne, Natalie Rowe, Kim Woodburn (emotional messes in other words), cut the cringey graphics and Marcus-screaming intros and tone the whole show down, make Emma have a more serious role, actually promote the God damn programme as if it's something ~new~ and ~exciting~ and let's see what happens. There is nothing to lose at this point

[BBUK-Fan]

Not the US format because we'll lose big characters that way

[Jack_]

We lose big characters (a peculiar argument given your favourites...) with the current format :shrug: at least if they leave under US rules it's their own fault and not the viewers

[BBUK-Fan]

We lose big characters (a peculiar argument given your favourites...) with the current format :shrug: at least if they leave under US rules it's their own fault and not the viewers

I do agree in a way but then you get the cliques being more successful and some outcast type housemates go

[Jodie.]

We lose big characters (a peculiar argument given your favourites...) with the current format :shrug: at least if they leave under US rules it's their own fault and not the viewers

This can be solved with VTS :laugh:
ALTHOUGH you could argue VTE makes them more money idk

[Jason.]

I low-key want C5 to implement the US format just so I could spend the whole summer cackling at how they butcher it even more than Grodner butchers BBUS.

I can already picture the Second House being used as the Jury House, that's literally something C5 would do. :joker:

[Jack_]

I do agree in a way but then you get the cliques being more successful and some outcast type housemates go

Again though, you can make the argument that that's the fault of those housemates' social games not being good enough to bond with a big clique/alliance :laugh: and BBUK is not immune from seeing cliques be successful

The US format isn't perfect but it's better than what we've got, and all the talk now is of 'refreshing the show' and something has to give. Back to basics isn't going to cut in IMO and so the choice is a more Love Island/EOTB type programme with young casts and a focus on showmances or a whole new approach to the show and the game, I know what I'd prefer

[Cal.]

NO NO NO US format. Stop this now.

[BBUK-Fan]

I think the public vote is favoured more to get more money and I prefer it tbh

[Daniel-X]

The US format would not work over here and viewership would be down even more.

[Jodie.]

The public vote IS BBUK x

[Greg!]

NO at the US format. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

[Jack_]

This can be solved with VTS :laugh:
ALTHOUGH you could argue VTE makes them more money idk

I have for years been and continue to be a proponent of VTS but unfortunately the rot in BBUK goes a lot deeper than that. The tasks are a laughing stock, the twists are ill-advised and created on a whim which is beyond unprofessional, the format is inconsistent and actually counter-productive, the show is repetitive and stale, and so on and so forth. Something radical needs to change. Do I think a US format version of BBUK would be a success? Probably not. But at this point there is nothing to lose because the show is on the brink of the axe, so it's worth a trial.

[BBUK-Fan]

There would be more controversy and outrage if it was US format because what people like is that BBUK has a different format so doing the same as the rest won't help it

[Greg!]

Channel 5 got big brother wrong right from the start. Bake Off moving to channel 4 has really highlighted this. Okay they've got new judges and presenters, but the format, editing and feel of the show is exactly the same as ever. When BB moved to channel 5, the tone was completely different, the editing was trash and the live feed, the most unique and exciting part of the show, was gone. 5 million people watched the CBB8 launch and then at least 3 million of them never tuned in again because C5 completely ruined the feel of the show. We can only imagine what BB would be like now if it launched with the same look and feel and format as it had on channel 4.

So basically imo the only realistic way of "creativity renewing" it or "making it more relevant" is to go back to the original format, improve the tasks and editing, and BRING BACK LIVE FEED. That's literally all the fans, past and present, have been asking for for years. It's not that hard!

[Greg!]

Wow. An essay.

[Greg!]

I basically just want to shake some bloody SENSE into Ben Frow!!

[RileyH]

PLEASE NO @ the BBUS format, this would flop completely here

[Jodie.]

I basically just want to shake some bloody SENSE into Ben Frow!!

March into his office and TELL him STRAIGHT babes

[Jason.]

Obvious reasons aside, the BBUS format wouldn't work because the sort of people they recruit for BBUK nowadays are the GS/EOTB gutter trash that expect to be famous without doing **** all apart from sitting around, getting drunk and talking about sex all day. I doubt any of them would be willing to compete hard in order to try and survive, so it would be pretty flat from a gameplay/strategic standpoint. And not to mention, have you seen the ****ing tasks we get on C5? Like, one thing I'll praise BBUS for are their amazing comps, but our producers are so uncreative that the HOH comps will just consist of which HM is willing to eat a fermented egg or be gunged or s/t, it would be a damn mess.

[Jack_]

I think the public vote is favoured more to get more money and I prefer it tbh

You can still incorporate the public vote into a tweaked US format and I would be happy to take the compromise.

The HoH noms three people, a VTS saves one nominee post-Veto, and the house vote to evict one of the remaining two. Give the UK a jury vote and that's the viewers included.

The US format would not work over here and viewership would be down even more.

The viewership is going down regardless, the choice is either Ben Frow's likely vision of a Love Island-inspired Big Brother with all the wrong elements borrowed (instead of the multiple brilliant ones) or a radical format change. I know people on this forum favour a 'back to basics' series but I'm not convinced that's going to work either. I will always agree that live feed is an absolute must (in fact with the US format it's even more essential) but the civilian show is tired in its current state and I don't think a few minor tweaks like 'a more normal cast' and 'less messy twists' is going to cut it. The show is on its last legs, the only thing to do is completely change the look and feel of the entire thing.

The public vote IS BBUK x

The public vote RUINS BBUK x

[BBUK-Fan]

The show has been on for 17 years.
They need to make the show new and refreshing.
Changing the format after 17 years won't do it any favours because it has always been like that with nominations and a public vote. Getting rid of that will change the show too much and will dampen the legacy. They need to bring back live feed, better tasks, normal people, more advertising and no contrived drama such as showing noms and too much alcohol.

[Jodie.]

I KNOW a really good mix of BBUS & BBUK

Scrap noms, every week the whole house is up
VTS until there are 3 left
Then HM’s evict x

BE AWARE that they would cast mostly gameplayers with a few nice people x

[Jack_]

Obvious reasons aside, the BBUS format wouldn't work because the sort of people they recruit for BBUK nowadays are the GS/EOTB gutter trash that expect to be famous without doing **** all apart from sitting around, getting drunk and talking about sex all day. I doubt any of them would be willing to compete hard in order to try and survive, so it would be pretty flat from a gameplay/strategic standpoint. And not to mention, have you seen the ****ing tasks we get on C5? Like, one thing I'll praise BBUS for are their amazing comps, but our producers are so uncreative that the HOH comps will just consist of which HM is willing to eat a fermented egg or be gunged or s/t, it would be a damn mess.

Those things would have to change too though, especially the tasks. There's definitely still value in casting emotional housemates because emotive gameplay has very entertaining results but you'd have to stress to people throughout the audition process that the show is no longer about sitting around the house for 8 weeks doing absolutely **** all as if it's some summer holiday with parties every night. There's a larger prize fund and that's what you're there for.

I mean don't get me wrong I'm under no illusion that it would be any better produced, until they replace this entire production team with people who are actually competent and not BTEC Media students then nothing will change regardless of the format. This is just what I'd like to see happen.

I will say this though, it doesn't matter what they do going forward - if the show isn't promoted (like it wasn't at all for BB18), it's gonna flop. That's the most important thing of all. If they don't throw a load of promotion at it like ITV did with Love Island this year, they can forget everything else.

[Jack_]

I KNOW a really good mix of BBUS & BBUK

Scrap noms, every week the whole house is up
VTS until there are 3 left
Then HM’s evict x

BE AWARE that they would cast mostly gameplayers with a few nice people x

I'd be here for that, I've been saying they should scrap noms (one of the most counterproductive parts of the format) and replace it with a rolling all-up VTS for years

[reece(:]

Keep the US format if it meant being stuck with 9 scum at the end like this one.

[Jack_]

Keep the US format if it meant being stuck with 9 scum at the end like this one.

That's happened like what though, twice in 19 seasons? You've always supported the US format don't ditch me now :fist:

[reece(:]

That's happened like what though, twice in 19 seasons? You've always supported the US format don't ditch me now :fist:

I'm ova all BB formats at this point it needs a rest

They need to bring back Survivor first and foremost!

[Marsh.]

What is hilarious is that Love Island may have been a huge success this year, but next year it could easily flop again.

BB has been around for so long you can't ever really count it out, the problem is the people in charge seem to be chasing a perception of what is "young", "current" and "popular" instead of remembering why BB was such a phenomenon in the first place.

Regular people living in a space together under the observation of Big Brother, while the public view them 24/7 and decide who stays/goes.

This.

The thing keeping it "relevant" is the people themselves so it can't really become outdated.

What is looking incredibly dated is their tacky try-hard gimmicks.

[BBUK-Fan]

The session is back on YouTube

[pontyboi]

Ben Frow has declared he doesn't want another channels programme yet Jane McDonald obviously of "The Cruise" fame which I believe was on ITV back in the 90s is now starring in a new show on channel 5 called "cruising with Jane McDonald" which is Jane onboard cruise ships....the irony plus that title sounds like we'll be watching her sitting in some park waiting for a shag.