Netflix's and Amazon to fight it out for the show if CH5 drop it

[Denver]

CELEBRITY Big Brother will return in January despite viewing figures for the latest series averaging a disappointing 1.3million.

After the channel's Director of Programming Ben Frow publicly revealed he'd be happier without the programme on 5's books, the Daily Star has reported that online giants Amazon and Netflix could be prepared to make offers for the franchise.

A spokesman for Channel 5 told The Sun Online: "Channel 5 still has another year left on the Big Brother contract with Endemol so it’s too early to discuss further at this stage."

Netflix and Amazon have also been approached for comment.

Speaking at the Edinburgh International Television Festival, Frow insisted he would prefer Channel 5 to focus on creating its own content rather than running programmes like Big Brother.

He said: "Most channels want to create their own content because it's the content that gives you an identity.

"I don't want a show from another channel, it was there before I came.

"I would be much happier with a channel that did not have Big Brother on it.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/4352792/celebrity-big-brother-january-moving-netflix-amazon-channel-5/

[Greg!]

God I really hope this is true, they'd do a much better job than Channel 5

[Jay28jay2]

Idk if it would work though with the voting etc, they'd have to do a different format (like the USA/CAN one)

[BBUK-Fan]

Idk if it would work though with the voting etc, they'd have to do a different format (like the USA/CAN one)

It wouldn't be as good

[T*]

Idk if it would work though with the voting etc, they'd have to do a different format (like the USA/CAN one)

I think it would be perfectly fine, they will have the facilities to do live eviction as a stream or something and have the series released day by day

As much as I fantasise about C4 taking it back I think this would be amazing and would broaden the range of viewers to international

[MB.]

Can't wait to perch Celebrity Big Brother alongside House of Cards x

[Jøsh]

Netflix would be a good choice, they've done live telethons before.

[Tom4784]

I don't see it tbh.

[Mec]

It would be amazing if netflix picked it up, then the show would probably be available on netflix everywhere so it could become much more popular tbh

[RichardG]

Axe it Ben

[Babayaro.]

I don't see it happening but a move to any of those two would be a very smart one.

[Samm]

netflix's would be a cute concept

[Jodie.]

I’m here for BB on Netflix by all means but how would it work with it needing to be live etc? Or would the format need to change?

[RileyH]

Here for it on Netflix :clap1:

[Mrmattybeck]

If it can't find a uk home on tv I'm here for this


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[Daniel-X]

Idk how it would work on Netflix tbf

[Greg!]

Has Netflix ever done a show where they upload episodes daily? It would def be something very different for them

[smudgie]

Would you have to pay to view on Netflix or Amazon?
If so would people be willing to pay for it?

[Wizard.]

Idk how it could still be called BBUK? They would probably have to do a mixture of formats.

[RileyH]

If it goes on Netflix can we have previous series' on there as well?

[Jamesy]

If Netflix or Amazon grabbed the show it would certainly be treated far better.

It would be pretty unique for both platforms also, and if they pushed it internationally, they could be on to a winner.

Not sure if daily highlights would work though? Perhaps 3-4 highlights shows a week, one eviction show and a 24/7 live feed stream.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Film the whole series and release it only on Lazerdisc

:flutter:

[pontyboi]

I just can't see this working at all I know they have had live content before but not on the scale of Bbuk. I really want itv2 or ITVbe to pick it up. Seeing as towie only gets like 500k these days it would be a winner for them and I think they would treat the show well.

[Gusto Brunt]

Amazon will do a great job. :D

[bots]

its the daily star .... thats all i need to know

[Jack_]

As if

Mind you if it meant they had to drop the public vote I'd be all for it

[Greg!]

As if

Mind you if it meant they had to drop the public vote I'd be all for it

May as well watch paint dry, all the big characters will leave one after another

[Amy Jade]

Netflix would do so well with a show you could watch daily. I think most would subscribe as it is only about £7 a month.

[Jack_]

May as well watch paint dry, all the big characters will leave one after another

You mean like what already happens on BBUK? :joker: and since when have you cared about big characters anyway?

You don't even watch BBUS so you have no idea whether that's true or not, and I can tell you it isn't. With certain exceptions, most seasons have entertaining and rootable housemates left in the endgame, and I like more BBUS winners than I do ours. More than anything though even if they do leave one after other, at least it's their own fault and not the clueless public's - who want to evict people for daring to speak in an episode, or for having the audacity to be a woman.

[Babayaro.]

Scrapping the public vote would be a disaster.

[Jack_]

The public vote is a disaster, why can't people see that?

If it's moving online it's not like it's gonna make the blindest bit of difference. Plus idk the logistics of holding a televote through an online streaming service anyway

[Denver]

The public vote is a disaster, why can't people see that?

If it's moving online it's not like it's gonna make the blindest bit of difference. Plus idk the logistics of holding a televote through an online streaming service anyway

But when they give the vote to housemates it is even worse sooo

[Rob!]

The UK and American version are the same show only by name, I don't know why anyone would want the UK to be more like that.

[Babayaro.]

But when they give the vote to housemates it is even worse sooo

The UK and American version are the same show only by name, I don't know why anyone would want the UK to be more like that.

.

[Gusto Brunt]

Regarding the official viewing figures, I think 1.3 million is pretty good, as it's not a show that a lot of people will admit to watching.

I'd say the figure is closer to about 5 million. ;)

[Jack_]

But when they give the vote to housemates it is even worse sooo

.

Again, I didn't know you both watched BBUS? If you're on about when they do a house vote on BBUK as part of some tacky twist, of course it doesn't work because at no point has said evictee been given the opportunity to save themselves, which is part and parcel of the US format.

The UK and American version are the same show only by name, I don't know why anyone would want the UK to be more like that.

Because the US (or rather the Canadian) version of the show is far superior to our flailing one.

[Oaker]

But like.. you're the only person who actually wants the US format. Even other BBUS viewers on here don't want it which should tell you that's it's really not what fans of the show actually want at all and considering how you keep saying the thing the producers need to do is listen to the fans well...

[Headie]

Here for the old lady demographic not being able to vote because they don't know how to access Netflix or Amazon online :clap1:

[RichardG]

I mean I've already given up on BBUK having not watched the past two seasons and I can't say a change to the US format would entice me back, probably push me away further tbh

[T*]

Idk how it could still be called BBUK? They would probably have to do a mixture of formats.

Because it would be in the UK...?

[T*]

Again, I didn't know you both watched BBUS? If you're on about when they do a house vote on BBUK as part of some tacky twist, of course it doesn't work because at no point has said evictee been given the opportunity to save themselves, which is part and parcel of the US format.



Because the US (or rather the Canadian) version of the show is far superior to our flailing one.

Drag them!

[T*]

There's a massive chance of a live feed tko

[Babayaro.]

I watched the first two weeks of this year's BBCAN, actually. It wasn't my cup of tea at all. :)

[Greg!]

One of the many reasons the US format wouldn't work here is that the housemates would just vote out people that get on their tits (aka the entertaining people) rather than thinking about it strategically, unless they cast 16 "gameplayers" like Dexter and Aaron Allard-Morgan which I don't really want to watch.

[Denver]

Americans are fake and 2 faced so that version suits them Brits are known to say it as it is and be real

[Babayaro.]

One of the many reasons the US format wouldn't work here is that the housemates would just vote out people that get on their tits (aka the entertaining people) rather than thinking about it strategically, unless they cast 16 "gameplayers" like Dexter and Aaron Allard-Morgan which I don't really want to watch.
Exactly. I just don't think they'd be able to cast the right people for it to work.

[Greg!]

You mean like what already happens on BBUK? :joker: and since when have you cared about big characters anyway?

You don't even watch BBUS so you have no idea whether that's true or not, and I can tell you it isn't. With certain exceptions, most seasons have entertaining and rootable housemates left in the endgame, and I like more BBUS winners than I do ours. More than anything though even if they do leave one after other, at least it's their own fault and not the clueless public's - who want to evict people for daring to speak in an episode, or for having the audacity to be a woman.

Yes there are some absolute trash public vote results but my point is if the housemates voted people out it would be even worse.

I actually have watched series with the BBUS format so don't assume things please. I watched BBCAN4 which I actually enjoyed but that was just because of Nikki, Loveita and Cass. The format really wasn't my cup of tea, I enjoyed it for what it is but I don't want BBUK to become like that. I tried watching a bit of this years BBCAN as well but I couldn't get into it.

[Wizard.]

Because it would be in the UK...?

But to appeal to overseas viewers, they wouldn't want to brand it as UK only.

[Babayaro.]

It's mainly CBB that the public make terrible voting decisions on tbh. The only dodgy one (that had an affect on the show) that I can think of is Helen winning the entire thing.

[Babayaro.]

But to appeal to overseas viewers, they wouldn't want to brand it as UK only.

I think what he's meaning is that it would be on Netflix UK only.

[Wizard.]

I think what he's meaning is that it would be on Netflix UK only.

Ah right, well i'm not sure how well that would do compared to Channel 5 which is a more easily accessible channel.

[Babayaro.]

Is it safe to say that a return to Channel 4 can be ruled out, now that GBBO is its flagship show?

[Maxxie.]

I think what he's meaning is that it would be on Netflix UK only.

Idk if that's true, as I'm currently watching a Japanese reality show on netflix UK. I would love this to happen but idk if it would. It would be just UK based/aimed to start with and if it happens to be succesful overseas than they'll probably end up holding applications and contestants from overseas and perhaps changing the format.

Love Island is apparently quite popular abroad so I can see them maybe going down that road, especially as it's filmed in a different country anyway. Although there's something kinda british about that, yet BB/CBB isn't really, at least anymore.

[T*]

But to appeal to overseas viewers, they wouldn't want to brand it as UK only.

They wouldn't brand it as UK only it would just labelled as the UK version so viewers would know it wasnt the local one?
Netflix already does this with shows like Chefs Table, there's no problem

[T*]

I think what he's meaning is that it would be on Netflix UK only.

...No, I wasn't
I'm watching Terrace House which is a Japanese reality TV show and Netflix already labels shows with localisation tags...

[T*]

Is it safe to say that a return to Channel 4 can be ruled out, now that GBBO is its flagship show?

Depends who takes over as Channel controller as there is someone who was super keen on BB apparently in the running

[Morgan.]

Netflix would be amazing.

[Jack_]

But like.. you're the only person who actually wants the US format. Even other BBUS viewers on here don't want it which should tell you that's it's really not what fans of the show actually want at all and considering how you keep saying the thing the producers need to do is listen to the fans well...

Well I'm not the only one, but I realise I'm in a minority. But when have I ever said they should listen to the fans? Maybe like...four years ago, when this forum actually had good opinions? I drag the producers on a daily basis but that doesn't mean I want them taking tips from TiBB, good God :joker: I would like them to employ a competent production team who actually know how to make television, let alone Big Brother

Of course I know I'm in a minority, this is a BBUK forum so it kinda goes without saying. Of course I know they will never change the format because Channel 5 are not daring or clever enough to trial it. But that doesn't mean I have to or am going to stop suggesting that they should, because it's something I'd like to see.

Let me make this absolutely crystal clear before the inevitable rebuttals fly in from around the place:

1) I know I can 'just watch BBCan and BBUS'. I do. I want BBUK to switch formats because I prefer it, and three versions is better than two.

2) The ratings are already falling. The show is on its last legs. Would the US format improve things in that regard? Probably not. Will it with any other changes? Probably not. So why not give it a trial run?

I watched the first two weeks of this year's BBCAN, actually. It wasn't my cup of tea at all. :)

Two weeks is six episodes which isn't really a lot of time to get used to a format, but okay :)

One of the many reasons the US format wouldn't work here is that the housemates would just vote out people that get on their tits (aka the entertaining people) rather than thinking about it strategically, unless they cast 16 "gameplayers" like Dexter and Aaron Allard-Morgan which I don't really want to watch.

Actually, people playing emotionally rather than strategically is a much more entertaining use of the US format so I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. Many of the best seasons and houseguests are those dominated by emotional gameplay. The very idea of someone like Jayne Connery or Natalie Rowe hosting a nominations ceremony makes me piss. As I said in another thread, my preference would be for them to make half the cast people like that, and the other half people who are there for the money at all costs and will play strategically.

Americans are fake and 2 faced so that version suits them Brits are known to say it as it is and be real

Well it's always nice to have a bit of xenophobia thrown into the mix I guess

And again, 'saying it as it is' would be a fantastic use of the US format

Yes there are some absolute trash public vote results but my point is if the housemates voted people out it would be even worse.

I actually have watched series with the BBUS format so don't assume things please. I watched BBCAN4 which I actually enjoyed but that was just because of Nikki, Loveita and Cass. The format really wasn't my cup of tea, I enjoyed it for what it is but I don't want BBUK to become like that. I tried watching a bit of this years BBCAN as well but I couldn't get into it.

How can you guarantee that? When BBUK have done house votes there has never been an HoH or a Veto played so no opportunity for 'big characters' (again, I swear you're normally someone who chastises people like me for using that as an argument) to save themselves or even put themselves in power. Like I said, I generally prefer the eviction orders on BBUS/Can than I do on BBUK and the crucial thing is that if a favourite of mine gets evicted, it's their own fault and not the fault of voters who don't have a clue what they're doing evicting them for being a woman and/or speaking in an episode. Makes me a lot less annoyed watching the series.

It's mainly CBB that the public make terrible voting decisions on tbh. The only dodgy one (that had an affect on the show) that I can think of is Helen winning the entire thing.

CBB is generally better thanks to VTS. If I went through the Wiki's I could probably name multiple appalling eviction results on civilian BB in the last three years alone.

[T*]

Americans are fake and 2 faced so that version suits them Brits are known to say it as it is and be real

You go around stereotyping yet Canada, the country that is stereotyped to be one of the most polite, loves the format :joker:

You make no sense

[RileyH]

CBB is generally better thanks to VTS. If I went through the Wiki's I could probably name multiple appalling eviction results on civilian BB in the last three years alone.

:clap2:

[Greg!]

Actually, people playing emotionally rather than strategically is a much more entertaining use of the US format so I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. Many of the best seasons and houseguests are those dominated by emotional gameplay. The very idea of someone like Jayne Connery or Natalie Rowe hosting a nominations ceremony makes me piss. As I said in another thread, my preference would be for them to make half the cast people like that, and the other half people who are there for the money at all costs and will play strategically.


I'm not dead against incorporating some aspects of the US format into BBUK like letting them discuss noms, having ceremonies etc but imo they should never get rid of the public vote, because that is not how Big Brother works in the UK and I like it like that and so do the vast majority of viewers. They don't have to completely get rid of the format and change it to get viewers back and make the show better, they literally just need to make the rules consistent again (2 or more with most noms are up) and stop having constant pointless twists.

[Denver]

They can copy the African one but that is it

[Morgan.]

I'm with Jack on this.

[pontyboi]

One of the many reasons the US format wouldn't work here is that the housemates would just vote out people that get on their tits (aka the entertaining people) rather than thinking about it strategically, unless they cast 16 "gameplayers" like Dexter and Aaron Allard-Morgan which I don't really want to watch.

They Aired BBUSA here back in 2002 at the height of the BBUK's popularity and it didn't work. It wouldn't work now either I find it tedious when all we are shown is housemates acting up and talking about nominations.

[Oaker]

Remember when 90% of the public voted against letting the housemates talk about nominations?

Yeah that's how much the viewers of the show love gameplaying and strategy.

[pontyboi]

Is it safe to say that a return to Channel 4 can be ruled out, now that GBBO is its flagship show?

Channel 4 won't take it back when gbbo recieved over 7 million viewers they are the ones who turned bb into what it would later become aswell, people forget that. Like mario going outside to do a magic show with Davina and bens dreadful comedy routine to the audience in bb11.

[Jack_]

:clap2:

Just for fun...

Rebecca (yes I know this was VTS)
Joe
Simone
Sue
Chanelle!
Marco
Natalie
Georgina
Charlie
Harriet/Amy & Sally/Sarah
Jade
Marc
Harry Amelia
Pauline
Toya
Steven
Mark
Wolfy
Dan
Callum
Hazel

So 23 evictions where the wrong person went in around 40 legit evictions. I wouldn't call that a success rate

I'm not dead against incorporating some aspects of the US format into BBUK like letting them discuss noms, having ceremonies etc but imo they should never get rid of the public vote, because that is not how Big Brother works in the UK and I like it like that and so do the vast majority of viewers. They don't have to completely get rid of the format and change it to get viewers back and make the show better, they literally just need to make the rules consistent again (2 or more with most noms are up) and stop having constant pointless twists.

I've no problem with them keeping a public vote either, in fact I think it'd be a good compromise. But if they're going to have public influence it cannot be direct control over who goes home or else there's no point in even tweaking the format. If the HoH were to nom three people, and the public voted to save one post-Veto, leaving the housemates to evict one of the remaining two I'd quite like that. It would add another dynamic to the game too because your target could be saved week on week by the public.

I'll always agree about a consistent format (I just don't believe the original is the right one) and less tacky twists, but I no longer believe a 'back to basics' series is going to cut it. The entire show is stale, even down to the very way it's edited and put together, to the live show presentation - everything. The show needs an entirely new look and I don't think more normal housemates and regular noms is it. Either way though, none of this is going to happen and it's going to be more of the same crap from Ben Frow and the BTEC Media students and BBUK will be axed within a year.

Remember when 90% of the public voted against letting the housemates talk about nominations?

Yeah that's how much the viewers of the show love gameplaying and strategy.

That's because people don't like and aren't open to change (a common validation for VTE is 'it's the traditional way' ffs) :shrug: I know I'm in the minority on this too but there's a reason why the first two weeks of BB13 were the best (and why it was one of the best starts to a BB series on C5)

[tanussa]

I dont use amazon or netflix & I certainly wont pay extra for it, so I wont be watching if it does go to either of them

[Jack_]

I'm with Jack on this.

Thank you :love:

[Greg!]

I'll always agree about a consistent format (I just don't believe the original is the right one) and less tacky twists, but I no longer believe a 'back to basics' series is going to cut it. The entire show is stale, even down to the very way it's edited and put together, to the live show presentation - everything. The show needs an entirely new look and I don't think more normal housemates and regular noms is it. Either way though, none of this is going to happen and it's going to be more of the same crap from Ben Frow and the BTEC Media students and BBUK will be axed within a year.

I don't want it to go back to basics in the sense of like BB4 for example. I just mean there shouldn't be twists every single week, it should be edited and produced in the style of BB5-BB10, live feed should be brought back to bring back former viewers and bring in new ones, and the rules should be consistent again. Maybe a few tweaks here and there to keep the show feeling fresh.

[RileyH]

Just for fun...

Rebecca (yes I know this was VTS)
Joe
Simone
Sue
Chanelle!
Marco
Natalie
Georgina
Charlie
Harriet/Amy & Sally/Sarah
Jade
Marc
Harry Amelia
Pauline
Toya
Steven
Mark
Wolfy
Dan
Callum
Hazel

So 23 evictions where the wrong person went in around 40 legit evictions. I wouldn't call that a success rate

mess, but they won't listen

VTE is the worst, and it shows looking at your list

[Greg!]

also jack half of those people on your list of public vote eviction results are trash anyway. Anyone could go back and list dozens of bad results in BBUS, it doesn't prove one format is better one way or the other.

[EspeonBB]

Tragic public taste is more responsible for terrible evictions than the voting format imo

[Jack_]

I don't want it to go back to basics in the sense of like BB4 for example. I just mean there shouldn't be twists every single week, it should be edited and produced in the style of BB5-BB10, live feed should be brought back to bring back former viewers and bring in new ones, and the rules should be consistent again. Maybe a few tweaks here and there to keep the show feeling fresh.

I'll always support the return of live feed, even more so under US rules.

But I just don't think any of that would be enough anymore? I did one or two years ago...but the rot is so deep now that they effectively have to create a brand new show to give the impression that it's not the same old one anymore.

Having said all of this though, if the promotion isn't there for whatever kind of series they come up with, it will flop. I genuinely believe that's half the reason BB18 faired so bad, there was no promotion and so no basis upon which to begin.

mess, but they won't listen

VTE is the worst, and it shows looking at your list

I know right :joker:

also jack half of those people on your list of public vote eviction results are trash anyway

But you see this is just it, if the eviction orders work for you then the public vote is great! They almost never do for me, hence why I think it's one of the most counterproductive parts of the format

I should point out that the people on that list are there because I believe in every case there was at least one person who deserved to leave over them, whether I supported them or not is irrelevant

[Jack_]

Anyone could go back and list dozens of bad results in BBUS, it doesn't prove one format is better one way or the other.

I'll go and do it if someone wants me to compare, but like I said, if someone gets evicted under US rules at least it's 99.9% of the time their own fault and through their own doing. I can accept that far more than I can when a favourite of mine in BBUK is evicted because they're a woman and/or dared to actually participate in the series

I also think having no public vote is more true to the ~social experiment~ that Big Brother is supposed to be

Tragic public taste is more responsible for terrible evictions than the voting format imo

I completely agree with that, if we had the Canadian audience it (generally) wouldn't be so bad. The problem is you can't replace the viewers so we're stuck with their terrible eviction voting, thus the only way you can salvage that is by ridding them of their power

[Oaker]

I mean like someone else said earlier, if it moved online there would probably be a much younger viewing demographic and since everyone blames catladies for some of the worst results surely that would solve that problem?

(Also VTS is terrible and rewards attention seeking and overall ****ty behaviour)

[Greg!]

I mean like someone else said earlier, if it moved online there would probably be a much younger viewing demographic and since everyone blames catladies for some of the worst results surely that would solve that problem?

Exactly! I'd absolutely love Netflix or Amazon to pick it up

[Jack_]

I mean like someone else said earlier, if it moved online there would probably be a much younger viewing demographic and since everyone blames catladies for some of the worst results surely that would solve that problem?

(Also VTS is terrible and rewards attention seeking and overall ****ty behaviour)

They're only half the problem, if you asked me this in 2013 I'd say TiBB's taste would be decent enough to produce a good eviction order, it certainly isn't anymore. Let's also not forget that many younger casual viewers tend to support attractive males just for the sake of it

Also Big Brother isn't a charity or a morality contest, so there's no rewarding of anything

[Babayaro.]

Just for fun...

Rebecca (yes I know this was VTS)
Joe
Simone
Sue
Chanelle!
Marco
Natalie
Georgina
Charlie
Harriet/Amy & Sally/Sarah
Jade
Marc
Harry Amelia
Pauline
Toya
Steven
Mark
Wolfy
Dan
Callum
Hazel

So 23 evictions where the wrong person went in around 40 legit evictions. I wouldn't call that a success rate



I've no problem with them keeping a public vote either, in fact I think it'd be a good compromise. But if they're going to have public influence it cannot be direct control over who goes home or else there's no point in even tweaking the format. If the HoH were to nom three people, and the public voted to save one post-Veto, leaving the housemates to evict one of the remaining two I'd quite like that. It would add another dynamic to the game too because your target could be saved week on week by the public.

I'll always agree about a consistent format (I just don't believe the original is the right one) and less tacky twists, but I no longer believe a 'back to basics' series is going to cut it. The entire show is stale, even down to the very way it's edited and put together, to the live show presentation - everything. The show needs an entirely new look and I don't think more normal housemates and regular noms is it. Either way though, none of this is going to happen and it's going to be more of the same crap from Ben Frow and the BTEC Media students and BBUK will be axed within a year.



That's because people don't like and aren't open to change (a common validation for VTE is 'it's the traditional way' ffs) :shrug: I know I'm in the minority on this too but there's a reason why the first two weeks of BB13 were the best (and why it was one of the best starts to a BB series on C5)

Lol the ones in bold absolutely deserved to be evicted. I didn't watch much of BB18 but from what I know, Joe, Rebecca, Sue and Simone were all awful. VTS just champions dickheads tbh. I don't mind it used for CBB because I don't care much for it or don't get invested in it nowadays, but if it was to go back to BB then it would be rubbish, now that the voting public seem to have pretty terrible taste. It worked in the 2011/2012 era as it was a fresh concept back then and the majority of housemates they cast weren't arseholes.

[iRyan]

I think this would be great. Certainly a bigger production budget as well.

[MTVN]

I hate the idea of evictions being completely taken out of the hands of the viewers. That's so far removed from the point and purpose of the show. I don't think a Netflix/Amazon takeover is likely and if it did happen we would be left with a very different product.

I actually want it to stay with C5. I know its got problems and its not perfect but we have still had some good series recently. It might not be up to the standards of BB's height but it probably never will be now. Any other channel would change BB much more than C5 have done imo.

[Marsh.]

"I would be much happier with a channel that did not have Big Brother on it."


Wow, with comments like that do people still believe when they "Want it to do well" and are "listening to the fans".

If they don't want it, I'd rather they just stopped making it.

But if they honestly think anybody is interested in channel 5's "homegrown" content they are deluded.

[Jack_]

Lol the ones in bold absolutely deserved to be evicted. I didn't watch much of BB18 but from what I know, Joe, Rebecca, Sue and Simone were all awful. VTS just champions dickheads tbh. I don't mind it used for CBB because I don't care much for it or don't get invested in it nowadays, but if it was to go back to BB then it would be rubbish, now that the voting public seem to have pretty terrible taste. It worked in the 2011/2012 era as it was a fresh concept back then and the majority of housemates they cast weren't arseholes.

Marco over Emma, Natalie over Charlie, Georgina over Evelyn, Charlie over Jason, Sarah over Chloe, Marc over Sam, Harry Amelia over Chloe & Sam, Pauline over Marlon, Jale, Christopher & Ash, Toya over Ash, Chris, Christopher, Jale, Marlon & Winston, Steven over Pav & Zoe, Wolfy over Jackie & Hazel, Dan over SAM AND SOPHIE, and Hazel over Jack & Joe & Sophie were all deserved evictions? Yeah sorry but it's just not realistic in any way shape or form

Joe was lowkey amusing and also gave both Raph and Rebecca a storyline and Sue and Simone were the only thing keeping the two weeks they were in the series remotely interesting so I've no idea where you've heard that. VTE just champions total non-entities who play no part in their series and somehow end up in the final at the expense of housemates who bothered to turn up, only to then finish 5th and 6th (or in some dire cases actually win :skull:). It's completely counterproductive, give me a dickhead who I actually have an opinion on any day. Also most of the housemates in BB13 (2012) were arseholes...

[Jack_]

I hate the idea of evictions being completely taken out of the hands of the viewers. That's so far removed from the point and purpose of the show. I don't think a Netflix/Amazon takeover is likely and if it did happen we would be left with a very different product.

I actually want it to stay with C5. I know its got problems and its not perfect but we have still had some good series recently. It might not be up to the standards of BB's height but it probably never will be now. Any other channel would change BB much more than C5 have done imo.

The premise of Big Brother is to lock a bunch of strangers inside a house for an extended period of time and film and broadcast them 24/7, and BBUK is one of the only versions on planet earth not doing the latter (while the US and Canadian shows are, with BBCan giving away feeds for free) - so what does that say about it being true to the purpose and point of the show?

The method in which housemates are evicted is an additional part of different versions of the show, it has nothing to do with the premise of Big Brother. And as I said earlier, I would go so far as to say that a version without a public vote is a lot more purer and true to the 'social experiment' idea that BB once was.

[Greg!]

Marco over Emma, Natalie over Charlie, Georgina over Evelyn, Charlie over Jason, Sarah over Chloe, Marc over Sam, Harry Amelia over Chloe & Sam, Pauline over Marlon, Jale, Christopher & Ash, Toya over Ash, Chris, Christopher, Jale, Marlon & Winston, Steven over Pav & Zoe, Wolfy over Jackie & Hazel, Dan over SAM AND SOPHIE, and Hazel over Jack & Joe & Sophie were all deserved evictions? Yeah sorry but it's just not realistic in any way shape or form

Joe was lowkey amusing and also gave both Raph and Rebecca a storyline and Sue and Simone were the only thing keeping the two weeks they were in the series remotely interesting so I've no idea where you've heard that. VTE just champions total non-entities who play no part in their series and somehow end up in the final at the expense of housemates who bothered to turn up, only to then finish 5th and 6th (or in some dire cases actually win :skull:). It's completely counterproductive, give me a dickhead who I actually have an opinion on any day. Also most of the housemates in BB13 (2012) were arseholes...

Everyone you've put in bold is either trash or nothing special (apart from Toya, Charlie and maybe Natalie)

[Jack_]

Everyone you've put in bold is either trash or nothing special (apart from Toya, Charlie and maybe Natalie)

Some of them are sure, the point I'm making is they in no way deserved to be evicted over the people they were up against

The public vote sucks because the actual right person hardly ever leaves

[Marsh.]

Tbf, BBCan isn't 20 years into its run with the novelty factor well and truly over and past its best.

It may make sense for them financially to provide free feeds. BBUK is dead in the water really.

[MTVN]

The premise of Big Brother is to lock a bunch of strangers inside a house for an extended period of time and film and broadcast them 24/7, and BBUK is one of the only versions on planet earth not doing the latter (while the US and Canadian shows are, with BBCan giving away feeds for free) - so what does that say about it being true to the purpose and point of the show?

The method in which housemates are evicted is an additional part of different versions of the show, it has nothing to do with the premise of Big Brother. And as I said earlier, I would go so far as to say that a version without a public vote is a lot more purer and true to the 'social experiment' idea that BB once was.

But the idea is that each housemate is subject to the scrutiny of not just the other housemates but also the viewing audience, it's what involves us in the show and gives the public a chance to shape it. I get that a lot of people aren't always happy about the eviction results that leads to but its still a fundamental part of the show. Its why it's not as simple to have a 'gameplan' in BBUK as it might be in BBUS.

[James]

Some of them are sure, the point I'm making is they in no way deserved to be evicted over the people they were up against

The public vote sucks because the actual right person hardly ever leaves

Surely, the public are more likely to keep the annoying-but-entertaining housemates, than the other housemates who have to live with them.

In the traditional format it's the housemates who nominate the big-character housemates in the first place. That why so many of that type of housemate leave in public votes.

Making the show into one about strategy and making alliances might stop that, if you didn't keep the public vote, but I think that kind of show would get boring quite quickly. That's not what Big Brother is all about, in my opinion.

[Jack_]

Tbf, BBCan isn't 20 years into its run with the novelty factor well and truly over and past its best.

It may make sense for them financially to provide free feeds. BBUK is dead in the water really.

Of course, but BBUS still provides them for a subscription 19 seasons in, as do many other countries around the world. There is no justification whatsoever - other than C5's long-running desperation to run this show into the ground - to not provide a live stream, which was the original premise of Big Brother.

But the idea is that each housemate is subject to the scrutiny of not just the other housemates but also the viewing audience, it's what involves us in the show and gives the public a chance to shape it. I get that a lot of people aren't always happy about the eviction results that leads to but its still a fundamental part of the show. Its why it's not as simple to have a 'gameplan' in BBUK as it might be in BBUS.

It has been for BBUK, sure, but the method of evictions isn't included in the premise of Big Brother itself (though you may not have implied that in your last post tbf).

I don't agree with your last sentence. Having a gameplan in BBUK is completely straightforward. You enter the house, you befriend everyone, you do not rock the boat, you don't get nominated (and if you do you make sure you say nothing so as to fly under the radar and escape eviction under VTE), you make the final week, then suddenly appear, play up the 'nice guy/girl' schtick, and hey presto you've won £100k. In actuality your biggest obstacle to winning BBUK these days is some ridiculous twist the producers have decided upon hours before the eviction shows.

In BBUS your social and strategic game are everything. You need to convince your houseguests that you're loyal enough to trust, likeable enough to award $500k to on finale night, yet not so much so that you become a threat to their chances of winning. You need to win competitions at the right time or risk being seen as a threat, and be able to nominate and evict people without burning their jury vote. There's a hell of a lot more to it.

Surely, the public are more likely to keep the annoying-but-entertaining housemates, than the other housemates who have to live with them.

In the traditional format it's the housemates who nominate the big-character housemates in the first place. That why so many of that type of housemate leave in public votes.

Making the show into one about strategy and making alliances might stop that, if you didn't keep the public vote, but I think that kind of show would get boring quite quickly. That's not what Big Brother is all about, in my opinion.

You would hope so, re. the first point - and it's something I say day in, day out during every on season - but it just doesn't happen. VTE is a system which encourages people to think they too are living with the housemates and so they vote negatively, it's counterproductive. I agree about the normal nominations process being part of the problem since housemates will always nominate those who annoy them - in many ways it supersedes the public vote in that sense (which is why it should change!).

To be fair, there are other reasons for this (namely the CEO of CBS being married to the host) - but BBUS looks likely to continue way beyond BBUK, so I wouldn't agree it could get boring quickly. The reason I watch Big Brother is because I enjoy watching strangers living in a house (and being able to 24/7), locked away from the outside world and having to interact with each other (which is what I see the premise of the show as being). The format of the show is secondary, I just happen to prefer the US one as I think it's more interesting, isn't counterproductive to the entertainment value of the series, and is actually more of a social experiment than if you have the public involved. If it's just the housemates left to their own devices rather than having public influences, there's nothing purer a social experiment than that.

[Marsh.]

Oh I agree they've ran it into the ground.

But I also agree that BBUS probably has a hell of a lot more willing viewers to pay for a subscription feed. I don't see it being all that popular over here.

[Marsh.]

I'd much rather we went back to the heart of BBUK.

Watching people living together and trying to sort out their own differences whilst being picked off one by one by the viewers.

It would be a nightmare for it to become "strategy". I don't watch BBUS but even I am bored of the number of times you hear those words and other similes when watching clips.

BB15 illustrated how annoying it could be with the Power Housemate nonsense we endured for the first three weeks or so.

[Ross.]

Until Jack deletes this man from his avatar and sig no one take him seriously http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar9362_57.gif

[Jack_]

Oh I agree they've ran it into the ground.

But I also agree that BBUS probably has a hell of a lot more willing viewers to pay for a subscription feed. I don't see it being all that popular over here.

That is a fair point, but whilst I realise any network is a business, I still don't think you should take on a format like Big Brother which has at its heart an understanding that you can watch it play out 24 hours a day (an innovation at the time), and remove that - whether it made a loss or not. There are many ways they could save money in order to fund a subscription feed.

[Marsh.]

That is a fair point, but whilst I realise any network is a business, I still don't think you should take on a format like Big Brother which has at its heart an understanding that you can watch it play out 24 hours a day (an innovation at the time), and remove that - whether it made a loss or not. There are many ways they could save money in order to fund a subscription feed.

And on that I'll agree completely. They shouldn't have taken on the show if they're not willing to do it properly and include everything it entails. If they feel they can't afford to fund such an endeavour, or don't have the resources, schedule space or whatever reason they're using this year they shouldn't have taken it on.

[Jack_]

Until Jack deletes this man from his avatar and sig no one take him seriously http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar9362_57.gif

#TheTeam at TiBB :love: Mattress tho

[Jack_]

And on that I'll agree completely. They shouldn't have taken on the show if they're not willing to do it properly and include everything it entails. If they feel they can't afford to fund such an endeavour, or don't have the resources, schedule space or whatever reason they're using this year they shouldn't have taken it on.

At last I agree with someone in this thread!

C5 have systematically and slowly destroyed every fibre of this once wonderful programme, it makes me sad. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed certain series on C5, I have, but they were certainly not thanks to them. The show is now a laughing stock not just to the commentariat, but even to its biggest fans. It's a disgrace.

[RileyH]

Until Jack deletes this man from his avatar and sig no one take him seriously http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar9362_57.gif

nothing wrong with Matt :love:

[Marsh.]

At last I agree with someone in this thread!

C5 have systematically and slowly destroyed every fibre of this once wonderful programme, it makes me sad. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed certain series on C5, I have, but they were certainly not thanks to them. The show is now a laughing stock not just to the commentariat, but even to its biggest fans. It's a disgrace.

:clap1:

[Maxxie.]

it would probably be a vote on the BB app and it would probably be free as well as Netflix don't rely on ads.

[sungrass]

Would you have to pay to view on Netflix or Amazon?
If so would people be willing to pay for it?

Yes - it would be a reason for me to get netflix!

I find with NOWTV and catch up its pretty easy to not need live TV - not ever do I watch BB live - always on catch up and its fine - voting simply might need to be over a week and done via your email address attached to nextflix -

I think it could be a really good move - knowing these pay per view channels - they will make each series EXTRA long.

Anything that goes further to destroying the Tele Tax and advertising Im all for.

[Osjama]

When Ben frow talks about his channels integrity when one of the biggest shows on the channel right now is a love island ripoff cwl

I hope Netflix get it as I think they could do something amazing with the series

[pontyboi]

Out of curiosity how is BBUSA rating these days?

[pontyboi]

Also I didn't realise bb was filmed at CBS studios ive actually been there. I don't like the fact it's all very enclosed whilst Bbuk has allways been outside personally I would love the original studio back with the bridge and huge crowds it had such an atmosphere.

[supertv247]

Out of curiosity how is BBUSA rating these days?

Series 18 averaged 5.8 which was the lowest ever, the current series is averaging just over 6m which isn't bad but still the lowest after last year. It's been gradually declining since 2011 (8m) but seems to have found a base now

[pontyboi]

Series 18 averaged 5.8 which was the lowest ever, the current series is averaging just over 6m which isn't bad but still the lowest after last year. It's been gradually declining since 2011 (8m) but seems to have found a base now

I actually just wikid it and didn't realise how short it was literally some series are only 30 days.

[Jason.]

I actually just wikid it and didn't realise how short it was literally some series are only 30 days.

That's just the number of episodes. :laugh: BBUS only have three shows a week, unlike BBUK where it's daily. Their seasons are 13 weeks long nowadays.

[James]

The UK format has always been every night. Another reason a strategy-based show wouldn't work here. Imagine the complaints if Channel 5, or whoever, said they were only going to do 3 episodes a week.

[Jack_]

I don't think there's any reason why a switch to the US format would mean you have to reduce the number of episodes too. Three episodes a week works in the US and Canada because they act as roundups of what's been happening on the integral part of the show - the live feeds, with each episode themed around one of the competitions/eviction.

In fact, keeping a daily show with a change of format would allow you to flesh the characters out more and mean that the entire show doesn't have to revolve around strategy, you could still show regular conversations just as much.

[Barry.]

Here for it.

[Razor]

CH5 have ruined this show. This years normal BB was terrible to the point I stopped watching it. Something which has never happened. I would love to see another channel pick this up and hopefully refresh the format.