Why do people want Paris to receive preferential treatment?

[Ruth]

Right - I'll apologise from the outset of this post - it's going to sound like I'm having a go at people, and I'm really not. I posted it on the other thread, but I thought I would start a new one.

First of all - can I say that I think Paris Hilton deserved her jail sentence. SHe has no-one to blame but herself, for breaking the law not once, but a number of times. If any of us here did that, we would have got the same sentence. So...

This is a serious question to all the Paris fans.

If you or I had done what she has done, we would have been sentenced to time in prison. Why shouldn't she do the same? Why should she be treated differently - and better - than anyone else? Just saying, "I LOVE PARIS" is not an answer. So you love her - fine, that's up to you.

Here's another question - I am a big fan of the actor Robert Downey Jnr. He has been sent to prison on a number of occasions - and it was absolutely right that he should have been. Do you think if I had come on here posting "I LOVE ROBERT, I LOVE ROBERT, I LOVE ROBERT" that it would have been taken as a serious reason why he should not have been jailed.

Or what about Ian Brown? A singer who has made some excellent music, and who served jail time? He deserved it - if you or I had committed that same offence, we would have been sentenced to jail time.

So what I want to know is - WHY do you think Paris should be treated differently to everyone else? Why should she receive priveleges, just because she's famous? (And let's face it, she's famous because of her family name, not because of any discernible talent.) And just saying, "Because I love her," isn't a reason.

Sorry for the confrontational tone of my post, but this is a subject that really riles me. No wonder Paris and her ilk feel that they are above the law, when people are all running around endorsing that opinion for her.

Can anybody give me a VALID reason why she shouldn't go to jail?

[Chrizzle]

Because shes gonna get killed ffs!
I am not saying she shouldnt be punished, but she should definately not go to a normal prison.

And you saying 'shes famous for her family name and no talent' is pure opinion, so dont pass it off as fact.

And why has ANOTHER thread been made??! Its going to be exactly the same people, saying exactly the same points. And you'll all make the same sarcastic comments, and mingle together saying horrible things.
Whats the point?

I'm so angry at the moment, with the same repetitive threads being made, with exactly the same points.

Note using the abbreviation - ffs - is against the rules on two grounds. Firstly it against the rules to use text speech and secondly it is against the rules to defeat the swear word filter. Please refrain from using it on this site.

Red

[MarkWaldorf]

The only thing people can say is that "she's famous for **** all" and that "she broke the law numerous times" bla bla.
As I said in previous posts, there are flipping rapists escaping jail, and being allowed back in places like SCHOOLS.

[Ruth]

First of all - Chrizzle, I have started ONE thread on this subject.

It seems to me that the Paris fans are just as repetitive as the non-Paris fans (I don't hate her, so I won't be called a hater).

I started this thread, because it was asking a genuine question. Just because you don't like the question doesn't mean that the thread shouldn't be started.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
The only thing people can say is that "she's famous for **** all" and that "she broke the law numerous times" bla bla.
As I said in previous posts, there are flipping rapists escaping jail, and being allowed back in places like SCHOOLS.

Yes, and that's disgraceful. But that has nothing to do with the Paris Hilton case.

And tbh, when people break the law several times, they generally do get sent to jail. So it's a valid point that people are making.

I should say, I would hate to see any harm come to Paris while she is in jail, but Chrizzle, I am sure she will get well looked after while she is in there.

So, can anyone answer my question? Why should she receive preferential treatment? Don't get angry - it only gives the impression that you don't have a proper answer.

[Chrizzle]

Why didnt you ask the question, clearly, in the other thread??
And ive answered the question, on behalf, of all the forum fans.

So there- question answered. End of.

[Ruth]

Actually I did ask the question clearly in the other thread. But I thought it would get lost amongst all the other posts, and I wanted to know what the answer was.

Are you answering on behalf of all her fans then? Well, fair enough, you all seem to share the same opinion of her (and that is NOT meant as an insult).

Was your answer, because you think she will get killed in prison? I sincerely hope that she doesn't get hurt or anything in prison. I don't see it happening though.

[Chrizzle]

I didnt mean to sound so aggressive in this thread, but its just a touchy subject.

Yes I, and all of her fans, do worry about her.
Lets face it, she isnt the most popular person ever.
Even though she does have a huge fanbase, she has her haters, and Im sure some people in the prison will hate her guts.

[Sunny_01]

Where I do think she should serve her sentence I would certainly NEVER want her or anyone else to come to any harm.

I dont think she should get preferential treatment but because of the huge media hoo ha about her case I feel she will need some level of protection or isolation from the general prison population. She will without doubt be envied in prison for her status and background so I imagine will have to be closely supervised at all times for her own protection.

It's always difficult when a celeb goes to prison and must be the worst nightmare of the staff at the prison. I imagine other celebs who have served prison sentences had protection of some kind because with status comes jealousy of some kind and a desire to be the one who gave them a "kicking"

I hope that some safe environment can be planned for her and that she comes out of this a much more law abiding citizen

[Legend]

If she gets all the protection though then it's going to be a breeze for her and she's going to find it easy and come out and probably not care if she ended up back there as she got all the protection.

If she goes in as a normal prision however, with no protection and therefore experienced what it's actually like, which IMO she should, then she may realise that it's not a place she wants to go again and might think before she next decides to break the law.

[Sunny_01]

I think the problem is Legend that the American prison system is so very different to the British one. Where our prisons are categorised into low risk etc.. I think theirs are you go where they send you and where I agree she should serve her sentence I dont agree she should be put in prison and deliberately put in harms way to "teach her a lesson" that would just be wrong.

In England she would be with low risk in a possible open prison and frankly that is enough as she is not a flight risk etc...

[Arneldo]

IMO, She did the crime and She should to the time.

I think that She should get the same treatment as any average Joe, just because She is a heiress should mean nothing.

[Chrizzle]

Yes I agree with everyone, lets see her get stabbed. Lets sit back and relax, and laugh at the slut that is Paris Hilton while she gets killed in prison but some bald, butch, lesbian with an anchor tattooed to her arm!
Lets watch as her family/fans/friends break down, just because that ***** Paris had a suspended license. She deserves to get killed or abused because of that!!

Note the sarcasm..

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Yes I agree with everyone, lets see her get stabbed. Lets sit back and relax, and laugh at the slut that is Paris Hilton while she gets killed in prison but some bald, butch, lesbian with an anchor tattooed to her arm!
Lets watch as her family/fans/friends break down, just because that ***** Paris had a suspended license. She deserves to get killed or abused because of that!!

Note the sarcasm..

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Sunny_01]

I understand you are upset and annoyed Chris - but scroll up and read my posts I certainly never said I wanted her to simply be put into general prison population and I doubt anyone would want her to be hurt

[Chrizzle]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I understand you are upset and annoyed Chris - but scroll up and read my posts I certainly never said I wanted her to simply be put into general prison population and I doubt anyone would want her to be hurt

Yeah Sunny, I understand your points perfectly. Your thinking about it logically.

But the people saying just throw her in a cell like a normal person. She isnt a normal person! Thats the point. Shes a celebrity, and a celebrity with quite a big hate-base.
You hear stories about normal people getting killed in prison day in day out, and your telling me Paris Hilton isnt going to get harmed in any way?(not you Sunny, the people saying that)

[Sunny_01]

Nee bother Chris :laugh: I understand that emotions are high about this subject at the moment

[Legend]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think the problem is Legend that the American prison system is so very different to the British one. Where our prisons are categorised into low risk etc.. I think theirs are you go where they send you and where I agree she should serve her sentence I dont agree she should be put in prison and deliberately put in harms way to "teach her a lesson" that would just be wrong.

In England she would be with low risk in a possible open prison and frankly that is enough as she is not a flight risk etc...

I know what you're saying and i know how they work but the majority of inmates who go in there are targets for the inmates who are tougher, bigger, more hard etc but they're given no special treatment so i don't see why Paris should. Every person who goes into prision is put into harms way and that's why i think she should be no different. Perhaps she will have a bigger target on her back but that's life, she chose the life she's got and she chose to do the crime, continuously.

[Pipergun]

I've been quiet recently, and have been reading the forums rather than posting of late, but I feel the need to express my views on this particular topic. I'll admit this issue is pretty raw at the moment with my friends and family.

Firstly, I'm not a fan of Paris Hilton, but I certainly don't want to see her come to any harm. Secondly, I'm not someone who wants to suffer - if she hadn't of driven whilst drunk and with her license suspended, I wouldn't of cared - she could've gotten as drunk and partied as much as she wanted for all I cared. But, saying that, it's right for her to go to jail.

Everyone seems to be saying "She didn't harm anyone", but to me they seem to be missing the fact that she had the potential to harm someone whilst she was in that state... what if the police hadn't found her?

A close friend of mine was killed just last week at the hands of a drunk driver. I'm not saying this for sympathy, merely stating a fact. I can't imagine how her family is dealing with it, but I can imagine them thinking "What if he hadn't hit the bottle... got behind the wheel...".

What if's aren't good enough. Until people learn from and experience the consequences of their actions then it will happen again, and again, and again.

It seems as though Paris has realised the seriousness of her mistakes, but nevertheless it's too late for should've's, Paris needs to serve her time.

[Red Moon]

Paris has the same rights as every American Citizen and should be protected from harm while in prison, however she should have any kind of special treatment either. She is no different from any other prisoner. She is a criminal and broke the law and was found guilt of her crimes. Doing anything that would make her different from the other prisoners would cause resentment and make it more likely that they would hurt her if they got the chance.

People make her out to be some kind of super star. The reality is she is no different from any of us and such should not be treated any differently.

[Sunny_01]

I suppose this is one of those times we will have to agree to disagree Legend my love. I do respect your opinion though and you more than most have a good insight into this.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Pipergun
A close friend of mine was killed just last week at the hands of a drunk driver.


I've been reading these threads and not posting also Tom.. but I just wanted to say that I'm sorry for what happened to your friend. x

[Chrizzle]

Originally posted by Red Moon

People make her out to be some kind of super star. The reality is she is no different from any of us and such should not be treated any differently.

But you see, thats just not true.. at all.
Every famous person has more chance of being harmed in prison than a regular person. Especially if that person has quite a high hate-base.

A regular person has a chance of being harmed.
A famous person has an even higher risk of being harmed.
A famous person who has a very high hatebase has a very high risk of being killed.

EVERYONE in that prison is gonna know her.
I am not saying that she shouldnt be paid for what shes done. But maybe if she had a cell on her own, and was seperated from the rest, it would be better.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Yes I agree with everyone, lets see her get stabbed. Lets sit back and relax, and laugh at the slut that is Paris Hilton while she gets killed in prison but some bald, butch, lesbian with an anchor tattooed to her arm!
Lets watch as her family/fans/friends break down, just because that ***** Paris had a suspended license. She deserves to get killed or abused because of that!!

Note the sarcasm..

Talk about exageration, stereotyping and sarcasm.

ALL inmates are at risk of abuse and possible death but you're not complaining about that, what about the 18 year old girls who have robbed some clothes because they've not the money to buy them? The ones who have robbed some food to feed their starving child as it's rob food or have their child go hungry? They've got to go through all that and so should Paris.

She done the crime so she should be treated like everybody else, there is not 2 different laws; one for the 'normal people' and another for 'celebs'.

Paris could have quite easily prevented it all, if she's continously breaking the law then she deserves the same treatment as everyone else.

[Pipergun]

Originally posted by L
Originally posted by Pipergun
A close friend of mine was killed just last week at the hands of a drunk driver.


I've been reading these threads and not posting also Tom.. but I just wanted to say that I'm sorry for what happened to your friend. x

Thanks Linda, like I said it wasn't mentioned for any personal gain, I just felt compelled to comment on this. I hope this explains my absence - It's been a numbing experience... I couldn't have added anything productive to anything, lol!

I guess I just feel a bit angry that the human rights of celebrities are said to be above those of common man!

Fjaaahui! That will be all. :spin2:

[Chrizzle]

Tom,sorry to hear about your friend:sad: Terrible news

[Red Moon]

So Paris should be treated like Ian Huntley and put in a cell on her own. It didn't work for his at Wakefield he still got done over by the other inmates.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Originally posted by Red Moon

People make her out to be some kind of super star. The reality is she is no different from any of us and such should not be treated any differently.

But you see, thats just not true.. at all.
Every famous person has more chance of being harmed in prison than a regular person. Especially if that person has quite a high hate-base.

A regular person has a chance of being harmed.
A famous person has an even higher risk of being harmed.
A famous person who has a very high hatebase has a very high risk of being killed.

EVERYONE in that prison is going to know her.
I am not saying that she shouldnt be paid for what shes done. But maybe if she had a cell on her own, and was seperated from the rest, it would be better.

Yeah she does but she's chosen the 'celebrity lifesytle' and with that comes the attention and publicity. In addition to that comes money and shofers (sp?) and everything else she wants... she could have quite easily hired somebody to drive her, then none of this would have happened. But she's more interested in getting wrecked than thinking of others and her actions.

[Chrizzle]

Now to everyone- I don't think celebrities are above 'normal' people in everyday life, but in this case they just are. I'm just thinking about Paris' safety, as a fan.
I understand where everyones coming from, but its so easy to say 'if you cant do the time, dont do the crime' without thinking about what would happen.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Legend
she could have quite easily hired somebody to drive her


Good point there was no reason for her to commit the crime in the first place. She isn't short of money.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I suppose this is one of those times we will have to agree to disagree Legend my love. I do respect your opinion though and you more than most have a good insight into this.

Yeah, i suppose we will, kinda. And now my toast has burnt because i was writing that post. :laugh:

Really sorry to hear that Tom, must be devastating.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Now to everyone- I don't think celebrities are above 'normal' people in everyday life, but in this case they just are. I'm just thinking about Paris' safety, as a fan.
I understand where everyones coming from, but its so easy to say 'if you cant do the time, dont do the crime' without thinking about what would happen.

But to be honest with you, this may sound harsh or not but i couldn't care less about her safety to be honest.

Do you think she gave anybody a thought when she got into the car drunk? Seriously, she didn't care. Her main care is herself so i don't think she deserves much consideration when she didn't give the other drivers on the road much consideration.

Harsh maybe, but true.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by Legend
she could have quite easily hired somebody to drive her


Good point there was no reason for her to commit the crime in the first place. She isn't short of money.

Exactly, her fans are commenting on how her celebrity lifestyle is going to make her more of a target but this celebrity lifestyle also gave her a lot more tools to prevent this from happening in the first place, a lot more tools that us 'normal people' don't have, i.e money.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Legend
But to be honest with you, this may sound harsh or not but i couldn't care less about her safety to be honest.

Do you think she gave anybody a thought when she got into the car drunk? Seriously, she didn't care. Her main care is herself so i don't think she deserves much consideration when she didn't give the other drivers on the road much consideration.

Harsh maybe, but true.

Another good point.

But all this talk about Paris safety does raise questions about the American Prison system. We really shouldn't be having this debate because prisoner safety shouldn't be a concern.

[Legend]

Call me sad but it's something i've always been interested in so i do read up on it all and it has apparantly gotten better over the years but there is ALWAYS going to be a risk of abuse from other prisioners and possible death, but then... this is the real world. You'd like to think it could be a safe place for them to go and 'learn from their mistakes' and that is the case sometimes but there is always a risk, and although it's sad, it's true and it's life.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
Right - I'll apologise from the outset of this post - it's going to sound like I'm having a go at people, and I'm really not. I posted it on the other thread, but I thought I would start a new one.

First of all - can I say that I think Paris Hilton deserved her jail sentence. SHe has no-one to blame but herself, for breaking the law not once, but a number of times. If any of us here did that, we would have got the same sentence. So...

This is a serious question to all the Paris fans.

If you or I had done what she has done, we would have been sentenced to time in prison. Why shouldn't she do the same? Why should she be treated differently - and better - than anyone else? Just saying, "I LOVE PARIS" is not an answer. So you love her - fine, that's up to you.

Here's another question - I am a big fan of the actor Robert Downey Jnr. He has been sent to prison on a number of occasions - and it was absolutely right that he should have been. Do you think if I had come on here posting "I LOVE ROBERT, I LOVE ROBERT, I LOVE ROBERT" that it would have been taken as a serious reason why he should not have been jailed.

Or what about Ian Brown? A singer who has made some excellent music, and who served jail time? He deserved it - if you or I had committed that same offence, we would have been sentenced to jail time.

So what I want to know is - WHY do you think Paris should be treated differently to everyone else? Why should she receive priveleges, just because she's famous? (And let's face it, she's famous because of her family name, not because of any discernible talent.) And just saying, "Because I love her," isn't a reason.

Sorry for the confrontational tone of my post, but this is a subject that really riles me. No wonder Paris and her ilk feel that they are above the law, when people are all running around endorsing that opinion for her.

Can anybody give me a VALID reason why she shouldn't go to jail?


There is a simple answer to that question.

There is no such thing as a "Wrong Way" or a "Right Way" of doing things.

There is "Your Way" & there is "My Way" and that is life.

Nobody can change that Ruth. You can try to talk sense to a mass of Paris Hilton fans on what should or shouldn't be done or said, but you probably will be ignored and one or two will want to state their opinion strongly.

Trying to sort it all out in an intellectual way, just won't wash sometimes. It is just hard to get through.

I don't know hardly anything about Paris Hilton, even though I hear her name a lot, she is just not one of those Celebrities that I have ever focused on. I neither hate her or love her.

I did have a quick look at the story about her apparently going to jail, and the evidence and reasons are all there in black & white for us all to read.

But Newspapers do overstate things a lot. So we must bear that in mind:spin:

Also, if you click on this link:-

http://www.tmz.com/2007/05/05/45-days-her-ass/

(It says that Paris may be in a better position?)

Short article below:-

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Just because Paris Hilton was sentenced to 45 days in jail, it doesn't mean she'll do the time. Because of overcrowding and other issues, L.A. inmates often get sprung early.

Former "Lost" star Michelle Rodriguez was sentenced to 60 days in the very same facility in which Paris is scheduled to do time for the very same offense -- probation violation over a DUI conviction. Rodriguez served a grand total of 2 hours before jail officials told her to get lost.

Stay tuned.
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But articles can be wrong?
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A lot of what you said in your post is true, Ruth

But I won't debate on this Celebrity much, as it is much better to debate with real critics.

and I'm not one of them.





nodisharmony :angel:

[Sunny_01]

I dont want what I have written to sound as if I think she "deserves" preferential treatment, I just think it's a reality that she will need it.

I am fully aware that she did the crime, she is no better blah blah but the reality is she will be target because of who she is - Robert Downey Jr was in more than one altercation because of who he is.

I dont think it's an easy situation and it is a very emotional subject for many, myself included. I do think she should be punished, I dont think "she made a mistake" is a good enough reason but hey we all think very differently about it.

Tom I am so very sorry for your loss - I hope you are ok x

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I dont want what I have written to sound as if I think she "deserves" preferential treatment, I just think it's a reality that she will need it.

I am fully aware that she did the crime, she is no better blah blah but the reality is she will be target because of who she is - Robert Downey Jr was in more than one altercation because of who he is.

I dont think it's an easy situation and it is a very emotional subject for many, myself included. I do think she should be punished, I dont think "she made a mistake" is a good enough reason but hey we all think very differently about it.

Tom I am so very sorry for your loss - I hope you are ok x

I agree with you completely.
Fair enough she does the time but she shouldn't have to deal with people picking on her.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Kristen
I agree with you completely.
Fair enough she does the time but she shouldn't have to deal with people picking on her.

So she should be treated differently from anyone else that did the same crime?

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Yes I agree with everyone, lets see her get stabbed. Lets sit back and relax, and laugh at the slut that is Paris Hilton while she gets killed in prison but some bald, butch, lesbian with an anchor tattooed to her arm!
Lets watch as her family/fans/friends break down, just because that ***** Paris had a suspended license. She deserves to get killed or abused because of that!!

Note the sarcasm..

Chrizzle - most people I'm sure DON'T want to see any harm to Paris. I said that myself on posts in this very thread. As Sunny said, if it was over here, she would probably be in an open prison with low-risk offenders, and that would be the right thing. But the American penal system is different.

I do honestly hope that she gets the protection she needs while she is in prison, and I hope that she comes out unscathed and perhaps a better person for it.

I DON'T think that she should be allowed to 'get away' with her crime, because of the potential dangers to her while she is in prison - if we start thinking that, then that would mean that any celebrity could do exactly what they wanted and flout the law in whatever way they wanted, because we would not be able to send them to prison.

[Ruth]

Tom - I am extremely sorry to hear about your friend. A friend of mine lost his wife when she was killed by a drunk driver last year, so feelings run high for me on this subject.

Thinking of you Tom - this must be a very hard time for your friend's family and friends.

[Chrizzle]

I have just read in a newspaper about the detention center Paris is going to.
I quote:

An ex-inmate said "I watched a girl get punched, eye gouged and kicked for a candy bar"

:sad:

[Ruth]

That's pretty typical of most prisons, unfortunately Chrizzle.

They are on about it on the news at the moment, and are saying that she will receive protection and they will be on their guard, precisely because of who she is. I am sure they are aware of the scrutiny that this will be under in the news, and as a result she will probably receive the best possible protection.

[Chrizzle]

I do hope so.
I do want Paris to have some sort of punishment (well I dont WANT it, but you know), becauase I think it will avoid anything like this ever happening again.
But I really do not want her to get harmed, and I think its very mature and good to hear when the not so much fans of Paris think the same.

[~Kizwiz~]

I dont think anyone wants to see her get hurt. I know I dont.

I am sure she wil receive extra protection

[GiRTh]

She did the crime so she should serve the time. I personally don't see the debate here. I think many people simply feel that she should get away with this because they like her. Also, I understand that the offence she's been convicted of was in violation of her parole so she will be unable to appeal. She's definitely going to serve time and I think she deserves. it. She's a repeat offender. Nuff said. I don't give flyin whatever for her safety, she should have thought of that before she vilolated her parole.

[Psylocke]

I think she 100% deserves to go to jail.
but i dont want the girl to get hurt.Sending a beautiful,rich girl into prison will almost garantee a "Paris raped" situation.Sad but true.

[spacebandit]

So the fans don't want her jailed its too horrid in jail for poor poor delicate paris.

OK then, apologist fans

No jail

She keeps on getting behind the wheel of a car when she is drunk

then

one day

she kills somebody while driving under the influence

What, pray tell, should be the correct punishment that time ?

Drop in clothing allowance ?
Hairdresser appointments dropped to 4 a week ?
She can't wear a diamond studded ankle bracelet on a Tuesday morning ?

So, hypothetically, what do you think would be the fair and just punishment for a celebrity you adore, that is a repeat offender and kills somebody ?

[GlitterEyes]

I think she should be treated the same as anyone else. I feel that daddy Hilton will somehow buy her out though or find some technicality to get her off. In the long run this will just make her bank balance boom & even if she isn't smiling now she will be as soon as she is out and raking in the cash. As she is a celeb I cannot see them mixing her with the scum of the earth...she will be kept away from all that I'm sure so I cannot see her getting attacked at all. Nobody is above the law and she does deserve to do the time.

[SiMoN!]

you do the crime you do the time

she should go to a normal pison and do the time - will she **** be killed

has for he being famus - yer she stated out with being famus for her name but i think she is famus in her own right now weather people like it or not

[Mrluvaluva]

There are points on both sides here. I think she should be punished, as she has broken the law, and should go to Jail. However, she will be very conspicuous whilst inside, so she will need some kind of protection. Any which way you look at it, she ain't an average Joe like you and me. It is reported she will have her own cell now anyway, and there is still time for her to "get off" (so to speak).

[Sunny_01]

it still confuses me how the americans do things like this - you will go to prison but not just yet!! in the UK you get a sentence and it is straight off to the cells with you which is how it should be.

[GiRTh]

I don't think she needs as much protection as peole say. She's a grown woman FFS.....but then again.....

With the Hiltons money and her high profile, imagine the lawsuits if anything happened to her in there. I reckon she's be more or less on her own and I think she'll be treated wuite well.