View Full Version : Nikki Grahame apparently going into im a celeb
pontyboi
02-09-2017, 09:47 PM
Omg this year may actually be entertaining lol she's going to be voted for in every trial.
Why the hell would she ever do that to herself? :joker:
smudgie
02-09-2017, 09:52 PM
Dear god no:fist:
RileyH
02-09-2017, 09:53 PM
Here for it :clap1:
pontyboi
02-09-2017, 09:57 PM
The show is usually so boring and I honestly think bringing Nikki to it would be amazing tv.
reece(:
02-09-2017, 09:58 PM
She wouldn't last
Wizard.
02-09-2017, 10:05 PM
I swear there's this rumour every year?
Denver
02-09-2017, 10:05 PM
They dont sign up tramps
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
02-09-2017, 10:07 PM
source? :s
EspeonBB
02-09-2017, 10:07 PM
I'd be surprised I thought they were against former BB housemates doing it? (although they don't mind people from TOWIE or Geordie Shore)
Underscore
02-09-2017, 10:07 PM
YASSSS
Denver
02-09-2017, 10:08 PM
I'd be surprised I thought they were against former BB housemates doing it? (although they don't mind people from TOWIE or Geordie Shore)
Poor Alison Hammond
LukeB
02-09-2017, 10:13 PM
Winner
EspeonBB
02-09-2017, 10:14 PM
Poor Alison Hammond
She's more known for This Morning though, whilst all of Nikki's fame comes from BB
LaLaLand
02-09-2017, 10:16 PM
Oh ffs
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
02-09-2017, 10:37 PM
SOURCE
Jack_
02-09-2017, 10:46 PM
She's above this show so I'd rather she didn't
Greg!
02-09-2017, 10:57 PM
****ing absolutely iconic!!!!
Epic.
02-09-2017, 11:00 PM
Messy, she'd just be the next Gemma Collins :joker:
Greg!
02-09-2017, 11:01 PM
She said she would do it I remember her saying it in a tellymix article. They would def provide her with essentials in the bush telegraph due to her aneorexia like BBCAN. Queen!
Greg!
02-09-2017, 11:01 PM
Messy, she'd just be the next Gemma Collins :joker:
She's the ****ing WINNER tho and she won't walk
JerseyWins
02-09-2017, 11:26 PM
http://media.thedailytouch.com/2016/08/211.gif
Greg!
03-09-2017, 12:15 AM
Get her in!!! She NEEDS and deserves to be in majorly the public eye again. An inspirational legend
Glenn-C
03-09-2017, 12:38 AM
I'd LOVE this but she'd probably end up leaving it a few days in
RileyH
03-09-2017, 12:54 AM
I genuinely believe she wouldn't quit tbh, if she does end up going on it might be to prove a point that she would be able to handle it and such. And she'd probably be the most entertaining one there.
But I'm here for ha doing a Helen Flanagan :clap1:
reece(:
03-09-2017, 01:05 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Nikki_Grahame.jpg/330px-Nikki_Grahame.jpg
iRyan
03-09-2017, 04:40 AM
Give receipts or I'm reporting you
Jake.
03-09-2017, 11:21 AM
source? :s
SOURCE
:joker:
Jason.
03-09-2017, 11:49 AM
I can't see her ever doing it tbh. Especially with the whole food situation, surely it wouldn't be good for her health?
And I feel she'd get draining pretty quickly on IAC as the public would vote her for all the trials and the token 'serial trialist' stopped being funny about five years ago so...
pontyboi
03-09-2017, 01:10 PM
source? :s
Tellymix
Could we see Big Brother's Nikki Grahame on I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here this year?
The BBUK legend is definitely up for it.
And despite her meltdowns on Big Brother over little things like the air conditioning, Nikki's sure she can handle life in the jungle.
She said: "I'd love to do I'm A Celebrity. Everyone thinks I'd be a bit of a diva, so I'd love to prove everybody wrong.
"I'm sure I could eat kangaroo d**k."
http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/im-a-celebrity/307586-big-brothers-nikki-grahame-take-im-celebrity-get-ot.html
So basically she just wants to do it and is angling for an invite
pontyboi
04-09-2017, 03:38 PM
So basically she just wants to do it and is angling for an invite
She is in the rumoured in the very z list line up though but so is james Jordan another ex bb related contestant. Seriously this show gets over 10 million viewers how does a show like cbb get bigger names?
http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/im-a-celebrity/303809-im-celebrity-2017-line-rumoured-celebrities-years-cast-03-9.html
There's not a cat in hell's chance she'd last. She couldn't handle gunge being poured over her in BB so how would she cope with spiders and cockroaches? She's be brilliantly entertaining but we'd barely get to see any trials
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 03:44 PM
I'm sorry, but is it even safe for her to be plonked in a jungle and forced to practically not eat properly for a month given her mental health history?
Not being funny but there'd be nothing left of her.
pontyboi
04-09-2017, 03:46 PM
I'm sorry, but is it even safe for her to be plonked in a jungle and forced to practically not eat properly for a month given her mental health history?
Not being funny but there'd be nothing left of her.
She would obviously be given suppliments just like bb Canada and in bb7 she lived off porridge and chick peas on occasion. She's not as fragile as people think.
Actually how would she cope without bottled water though lol
Ashley.
04-09-2017, 03:50 PM
I doubt she'd agree to it. It's like what Marsh said, contestants talk all the time about how much weight they lose going on there and even if she did want to, the producers wouldn't allow it.
BBUK-Fan
04-09-2017, 04:01 PM
She is in the rumoured in the very z list line up though but so is james Jordan another ex bb related contestant. Seriously this show gets over 10 million viewers how does a show like cbb get bigger names?
http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/im-a-celebrity/303809-im-celebrity-2017-line-rumoured-celebrities-years-cast-03-9.html
The lineup is very Z list and how it could do better than CBB with the rumoured people for the lineup I will ever understand.
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 04:06 PM
She would obviously be given suppliments just like bb Canada and in bb7 she lived off porridge and chick peas on occasion. She's not as fragile as people think.
Actually how would she cope without bottled water though lol
Well, tbf, out of them all IAC is the one where they all come out having lost loads of weight, which I don't think the supplements do anything for. They are just trying to give them nutrients, that won't affect their weight loss.
Just seems a bit dangerous for her.
supertv247
04-09-2017, 05:51 PM
Winner CONFIRMED!
Nikki NEEDS to be on prime time TV again and become the nations sweetheart that she is ala Scarlett Moffat
pontyboi
04-09-2017, 07:10 PM
Well, tbf, out of them all IAC is the one where they all come out having lost loads of weight, which I don't think the supplements do anything for. They are just trying to give them nutrients, that won't affect their weight loss.
Just seems a bit dangerous for her.
Oh give the girl a break yes she has an eating disorder but there are medics and doctors/pchycyatrists onsite and she's proven herself to be a massive character over the decade she's been doing reality TV.
Infact she is the one bb housemate you can say is genuine and had more to gain from bb in comparrison to the wannabes, privileged or people with no real character whatsoever. There's a reason she's still around and that's because she still shocks and admittedly loves the experiences.
If she's in the jungle I will actually watch this year...if ant can present after being an addict why can't Nikki take part?
Jase.
04-09-2017, 08:54 PM
lol she's just saying she'd like to, there ain't no way ITV would have her
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 08:57 PM
Oh give the girl a break yes she has an eating disorder but there are medics and doctors/pchycyatrists onsite and she's proven herself to be a massive character over the decade she's been doing reality TV.
Infact she is the one bb housemate you can say is genuine and had more to gain from bb in comparrison to the wannabes, privileged or people with no real character whatsoever. There's a reason she's still around and that's because she still shocks and admittedly loves the experiences.
If she's in the jungle I will actually watch this year...if ant can present after being an addict why can't Nikki take part?
Give the girl a break? :umm2: You're acting like I'm attacking her.
I'm voicing a valid concern that entering a show where contestants have come out having lost over a stone and sometimes more in weight may not be the best thing for a woman prone to lapsing back into anorexia and who is extremely slim as it is.
It's dangerous. Her being a big reality character isn't really the point.
What has Ant presenting a show in Australia got to do with him recovering from prescription meds addiction? That's a bizarre and non existent comparison.
Are they locking Ant in a room with medication and hoping he doesn't relapse or something?
Denver
04-09-2017, 09:01 PM
She is in the rumoured in the very z list line up though but so is james Jordan another ex bb related contestant. Seriously this show gets over 10 million viewers how does a show like cbb get bigger names?
http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/im-a-celebrity/303809-im-celebrity-2017-line-rumoured-celebrities-years-cast-03-9.html
It started in OK! the same magazine that rumoured Katie Hopkins without any mention of her being in it before
pontyboi
04-09-2017, 09:02 PM
Give the girl a break? :umm2: You're acting like I'm attacking her.
I'm voicing a valid concern that entering a show where contestants have come out having lost over a stone and sometimes more in weight may not be the best thing for a woman prone to lapsing back into anorexia and who is extremely slim as it is.
It's dangerous.
But shes proven herself to capable of harsh conditions like even eating INFRONT of people was a huge deal for her in the past. We arnt the people to judge wether she's mentally stable or not that's in hers and the producers hands and they will be well aware of her condition.
She's allways going to be "extremely slim" she has the body of a 12 year old BUT this hasn't stopped her in the past and I don't see why millions of viewers should be deprived of what would be amazing tv especially when she is the one who wants to do it.
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 09:04 PM
But shes proven herself to capable of harsh conditions like even eating INFRONT of people was a huge deal for her in the past. We arnt the people to judge wether she's mentally stable or not that's in hers and the producers hands and they will be well aware of her condition.
She's allways going to be "extremely slim" she has the body of a 12 year old BUT this hasn't stopped her in the past and I don't see why millions of viewers should be deprived of what would be amazing tv especially when she is the one who wants to do it.
It's not really all about the mental side of it though.
She can't really afford to lose the weight, can she?
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 09:05 PM
Anyway, outside of that. I really don't see Nikki even wanting to do it.
Greg!
04-09-2017, 09:06 PM
Anyway, outside of that. I really don't see Nikki even wanting to do it.
But she said she's well up for it tho?
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 09:06 PM
But she said she's well up for it tho?
Well the offer isn't actually on the table yet so we'll see.
pontyboi
04-09-2017, 09:07 PM
It's not really all about the mental side of it though.
She can't really afford to lose the weight, can she?
Anorexia is a mental health issue so yeah it is.
Sorry but did you weigh her last week? Lol she's tiny yes but if she was unhealthy then they wouldn't put her in like I said its in the hands of the producers.
I think she's in a good place and hasn't changed personally or physically in the last 10 years.
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 09:09 PM
Anorexia is a mental health issue so yeah it is.
No. I said the mental side of it isn't the only issue facing the possibility of her going in.
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 09:09 PM
Anorexia is a mental health issue so yeah it is.
Sorry but did you weigh her last week? Lol she's tiny yes but if she was unhealthy then they wouldn't put her in like I said its in the hands of the producers.
I think she's in a good place and hasn't changed personally or physically in the last 10 years.
She clearly has. She said as much in her therapy episode.
pontyboi
04-09-2017, 09:10 PM
No. I said the mental side of it isn't the only issue facing the possibility of her going in.
Look neither of us are experts. Nikki has more than proven herself over a decade she can cope under pressure if anything she is the most deserving and fascinating person to go in.
JerseyWins
04-09-2017, 09:11 PM
https://57.media.tumblr.com/9acc9dcb0ed3fa17c0fc2a0d42a62028/tumblr_o3urr3921P1ql2ui0o2_250.gif
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 09:11 PM
Look neither of us are experts. Nikki has more than proven herself over a decade she can cope under pressure if anything she is the most deserving and fascinating person to go in.
I don't claim to be but she's never been put under so much physical pressure. On reality TV/in public that is.
pontyboi
04-09-2017, 09:13 PM
I don't claim to be but she's never been put under so much physical pressure. On reality TV/in public that is.
She's not going to be abandoned though is she lol there's a whole team out there if anything goes wrong to look after each contestant.
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 09:14 PM
She's not going to be abandoned though is she lol there's a whole team out there if anything goes wrong to look after each contestant.
Yes there is. But putting somebody vulnerable in that situation in the first place would be negligent.
But as you said earlier, all of that would be assessed first anyway, and if deemed inappropriate she wouldn't be allowed in.
Personally, I don't see it happening.
pontyboi
04-09-2017, 09:18 PM
Yes there is. But putting somebody vulnerable in that situation in the first place would be negligent.
But as you said earlier, all of that would be assessed first anyway, and if deemed inappropriate she wouldn't be allowed in.
Personally, I don't see it happening.
She has been deemed sane and healthy enough to make 6 bb appearances im sure they know what they are doing.
She would probably last longer than Gemma Collins who had pathetic excuses for leaving.
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 09:19 PM
She has been deemed sane and healthy enough to make 6 bb appearances im sure they know what they are doing.
She would probably last longer than Gemma Collins who had pathetic excuses for leaving.
Tbf, I'm a Celeb is a completely different ball game to living in a house for a few weeks with food. Even during the "basic rations" weeks they still have a supply of food. I'm a Celeb is a gruel in comparison.
pontyboi
04-09-2017, 09:23 PM
Tbf, I'm a Celeb is a completely different ball game to living in a house for a few weeks with food. Even during the "basic rations" weeks they still have a supply of food. I'm a Celeb is a gruel in comparison.
But like ive said Nikki would probably be given suppliments just like in bb Canada to maintain her weight. I think you forget that when Nikki was in big brother it was a time where they literally had basic rations just like the jungle...they had nothing it not like today where rations mean they get a takeaway.
Anyway I'm here for Nikki being on the show I would have loved Jade to have done it to.
She would bring in the viewers no doubt.
Marsh.
04-09-2017, 09:25 PM
Entertainment wise, I'm completely over her tbh.
Her last stint in BBUK was horrible.
mattC.
20-09-2017, 04:39 PM
can't wait
pontyboi
20-09-2017, 09:27 PM
Entertainment wise, I'm completely over her tbh.
Her last stint in BBUK was horrible.
Really? The way she brought down Helen for being an absolute repulsive **** was amazing.
Denver
20-09-2017, 09:28 PM
didnt happen
didnt happen
IAC starts in late November babes
Daniel-X
20-09-2017, 09:32 PM
I swear this is rumoured every year?
Denver
20-09-2017, 09:32 PM
I was on about the post above me key lime pie
I was on about the post above me key lime pie
The quote feature exists.
Daniel-X
20-09-2017, 09:34 PM
We want Grace Adams Short instead
pontyboi
20-09-2017, 09:37 PM
I was on about the post above me key lime pie
Stop being so patronising she 100% put Helen who accused Brian of being a rapist in her place by calling her a nobody. I'm sorry but I can't see anyone not finding Nikki in the jungle one of the best signings in years. We arnt to judge her welfare be it physical or mental Shes achieved alot despite these health issues. In regards to her being rumoured every year this year seems very possible from the leaked line up.
Denver
20-09-2017, 09:38 PM
She is not the type of celeb they sign for a starter
pontyboi
20-09-2017, 09:39 PM
We want Grace Adams Short instead
I think she may be a tad boring now she's 32 and a mother....brilliant bb housemate though.
pontyboi
20-09-2017, 09:40 PM
She is not the type of celeb they sign for a starter
Yes she is lol what are you talking about they have had countless celebs who nobody's even heard of.
Denver
20-09-2017, 09:41 PM
They very rarely o after people who have done the other reality shows
Marsh.
20-09-2017, 09:43 PM
Really? The way she brought down Helen for being an absolute repulsive **** was amazing.
By being a pathetic sh*t herself with the repulsive Aisleyene.
Sh*t + sh*t don't make a diamond.
Marsh.
20-09-2017, 09:44 PM
Stop being so patronising she 100% put Helen who accused Brian of being a rapist in her place by calling her a nobody. I'm sorry but I can't see anyone not finding Nikki in the jungle one of the best signings in years. We arnt to judge her welfare be it physical or mental Shes achieved alot despite these health issues. In regards to her being rumoured every year this year seems very possible from the leaked line up.
No she didn't.
People say sh*t like "oooh he looks like a murderer" or "he looks like something off crimewatch" all the time.
Now being told you look like a rapist isn't very pleasant obviously but she didn't accuse him of being one let's not be silly.
pontyboi
20-09-2017, 09:50 PM
They very rarely o after people who have done the other reality shows
Vicky Pattinson, Allison Hammond, jake quickenden, Stacey Solomon, France cosgrave, Kim Woodburn, Mark wright, fernne McCann, George Shelley and finally Scarlett Moffat who made a living off the most basic reality TV show.
Denver
20-09-2017, 09:51 PM
Vicky Pattinson, Allison Hammond, jake quickenden, Stacey Solomon, France cosgrave, Kim Woodburn, Mark wright, fernne McCann, George Shelley and finally Scarlett Moffat who made a living off the most basic reality TV show.
half of them are from scripted which is a totally different show,
Alison Hammond they didnt even mention BB
pontyboi
20-09-2017, 09:52 PM
No she didn't.
People say sh*t like "oooh he looks like a murderer" or "he looks like something off crimewatch" all the time.
Now being told you look like a rapist isn't very pleasant obviously but she didn't accuse him of being one let's not be silly.
"If the cameras weren't watching you know what would you do?" You need to get a grip she was baiting the **** out the guy and did everything she could to make him look like some pervert. You need your head checked and get some morals.
pontyboi
20-09-2017, 09:56 PM
half of them are from scripted which is a totally different show,
Alison Hammond they didnt even mention BB
Tit for tat they are all reality shows and there's been many more appear. Are you saying they won't be taking on someone from love island this year because sorry they are a reality show and that's what attracts the producers and the audience.
Denver
20-09-2017, 09:57 PM
They never take anyone from BB/CBB with the exception of Alison who they didnt mention
pontyboi
20-09-2017, 09:59 PM
They never take anyone from BB/CBB with the exception of Alison who they didnt mention
Actually they wanted Jade but she never did it. Various other contestants have also come from CBB or vice versa. You said they don't take reality contestants in general but the fact is they do.
Denver
20-09-2017, 10:02 PM
Its has already been said they are looking for more credible stars
So someone who was barely famous 10 years ago is not gonna be on the list
Morgan.
20-09-2017, 10:04 PM
Tbh Alison is More Famous for her TV Personality Career than for her BB stint for the generation that watch IAC
Marsh.
20-09-2017, 10:14 PM
"If the cameras weren't watching you know what would you do?" You need to get a grip she was baiting the **** out the guy and did everything she could to make him look like some pervert. You need your head checked and get some morals.
Get some morals? :joker::joker::joker:
Because telling someone they "look" like something is different to saying they "are"?
Or I don't lick the sh*t coming out of Nikki's arse.
Ok. :pat:
As for baiting, that's what Brian spent his entire stay doing. Trying to tick Helen off because he went in with the sole idea of being the person to shout at Helen if she kicked off. So he tried everything he could to get her to snap, shout, argue and ended up snapping himself. Bloody freak with anger issues turned out to be him.
Denver
20-09-2017, 10:16 PM
She is a closed book anyway you get nothing new from her
Marsh.
20-09-2017, 10:16 PM
Its has already been said they are looking for more credible stars
So someone who was barely famous 10 years ago is not gonna be on the list
I think you're getting mixed up.
Strictly Come Dancing is very picky about the "stars" they sign.
Denver
20-09-2017, 10:18 PM
I think you're getting mixed up.
Strictly Come Dancing is very picky about the "stars" they sign.
IAC are aswell they tend to let 1 or 2 reality stars in a series and rely on talented people
pontyboi
21-09-2017, 05:09 PM
Get some morals? :joker::joker::joker:
Because telling someone they "look" like something is different to saying they "are"?
Or I don't lick the sh*t coming out of Nikki's arse.
Ok. :pat:
As for baiting, that's what Brian spent his entire stay doing. Trying to tick Helen off because he went in with the sole idea of being the person to shout at Helen if she kicked off. So he tried everything he could to get her to snap, shout, argue and ended up snapping himself. Bloody freak with anger issues turned out to be him.
To put it bluntly into your obviously thick skull if I were to say you look like a rapist on here I would recieve an infraction or probably a ban. How can anyone stand up for her she's a disgrace.
Greg!
21-09-2017, 05:13 PM
Nikki is a Goddess and I won't hear any different.
RileyH
21-09-2017, 05:16 PM
Nikki is a Goddess and I won't hear any different.
:clap1:
Underscore
21-09-2017, 05:19 PM
Nikki is a Goddess and I won't hear any different.
:clap1:
Marsh.
21-09-2017, 05:36 PM
To put it bluntly into your obviously thick skull if I were to say you look like a rapist on here I would recieve an infraction or probably a ban. How can anyone stand up for her she's a disgrace.
Well, clearly it's an insult about someone's looks which would be banned on TiBB but as far as I know is not banned in life. And also a far cry from accusing someone of rape.
Yet... I'm the one with the thick skull. :joker:
Don't bother replying unless you actually have a point.
pontyboi
21-09-2017, 09:56 PM
Well, clearly it's an insult about someone's looks which would be banned on TiBB but as far as I know is not banned in life. And also a far cry from accusing someone of rape.
Yet... I'm the one with the thick skull. :joker:
Don't bother replying unless you actually have a point.
My points have been very detailed and valid.
Keep on using your childish emojis I seriously hope you're not an adult because that would be embaressing.
She said YOU LOOK LIKE A RAPIST. I'm off to smack my head on my living room wall lol.
Marsh.
21-09-2017, 10:00 PM
My points have been very detailed and valid.
Keep on using your childish emojis I seriously hope you're not an adult because that would be embaressing.
She said YOU LOOK LIKE A RAPIST. I'm off to smack my head on my living room wall lol.
Yes, she did.
That's not accusing someone of rape.
Smack your head all you want, won't change the facts.
Keep on using your childish insults, I seriously hope you're not an adult because that would be embarrassing. (See, I used the correct spelling AND grammar).
pontyboi
22-09-2017, 01:16 AM
Yes, she did.
That's not accusing someone of rape.
Smack your head all you want, won't change the facts.
Keep on using your childish insults, I seriously hope you're not an adult because that would be embarrassing. (See, I used the correct spelling AND grammar).
Oh **** off you trying to point score twat lol.
She insinuated a lot more than just the fact he looked like a rapist and anyone with half a brain cell will see that.
Helen is banned from channel 5 forever and for good reason.
Anyway let's ignore your silly emojis and posts which baffle me morally and stick to the topic. I really hope Nikki goes in I think it would not only be a great boost for big brother but she would prove a hit with the viewers on iac.
Marsh.
22-09-2017, 02:15 AM
Morally? :joker: Look at you Patron Saint of Narcissism. Piss off.
Marsh.
22-09-2017, 02:18 AM
Also, you forgot to accuse me of homophobia. Quickly now, you want the full set. :thumbs:
Morgan.
22-09-2017, 07:23 AM
Just popped in to say Helen's ban from Channel 5 was lifted recently seeing as she was on Celebrity Sex Pod, I think it's purely a BB ban now.
Marsh.
22-09-2017, 11:00 AM
:joker:
rionablue
22-09-2017, 01:46 PM
The show is usually so boring and I honestly think bringing Nikki to it would be amazing tv.
Its my favourite show of the year. I love it haha. Nikki would be a genius signing
pontyboi
22-09-2017, 02:29 PM
Also, you forgot to accuse me of homophobia. Quickly now, you want the full set. :thumbs:
Why would I accuse you of homophobia? It's a word which makes us gay people look like attention seekers and its insulting when someone uses it to gain sympathy just like the over used racism card.
Implying someone would attack them and saying they look like a rapist is to me on that same level and that's why people like Helen should be banned from big brother as it destroys the social experiment with all the warnings.
Stop trying to cause Agro and let's all stick to the topic yeah?
Marsh.
22-09-2017, 04:25 PM
Why would I accuse you of homophobia? It's a word which makes us gay people look like attention seekers and its insulting when someone uses it to gain sympathy just like the over used racism card.
Implying someone would attack them and saying they look like a rapist is to me on that same level and that's why people like Helen should be banned from big brother as it destroys the social experiment with all the warnings.
Stop trying to cause Agro and let's all stick to the topic yeah?
You're the one who started the personal remarks. If you don't want aggro don't start it.
And re: homophobia - because those accusations are what I got from you last time.
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