Transport for London will not renew Uber's licence

[Will.]

Transport for London has announced that it will not renew Uber's private hire licence after concluding it is "not fit and proper".

http://news.sky.com/story/transport-for-london-will-not-renew-ubers-licence-11047580

[Cherie]

Black cab drivers will be cheering.

I expect there will be an appeal, the reasons for no renewing the licence are pretty damning, I wonder what Ubers response will be

[waterhog]

going to do a poem on this and hand deliver - someone call me a cab !

[caprimint]

Uber is a great service, cheap and convenient

[Cherie]

Uber is a great service, cheap and convenient

Is there anyone who hasn't used Uber. TFL seem to be saying they don't vet drivers, cheap and convenient is fine, but what about personal safety?

Not sure if this is a decision driven by something else though

they have 21 days to appeal but their licence runs out next Friday, so what happens then

[MTVN]

Apparently TFL told Uber only one minute before tweeting the news

3.5m people and 40,000 drivers use Uber, they'll all be out of a job now

[Cherie]

Apparently TFL told Uber only one minute before tweeting the news

3.5m people and 40,000 drivers use Uber, they'll all be out of a job now

They would have known a decision was imminent as the licence had been under review since may and a decision was due before the 30/09

this only affects London? or all uber drivers

[Oliver_W]

Isn't there at least one rape a week by Uber drivers? Whether or not it's right for TFL to rescind their license, Uber should have something in place to vet its drivers.

[MTVN]

They would have known a decision was imminent as the licence had been under review since may and a decision was due before the 30/09

this only affects London? or all uber drivers

I thought it would only cover London but not too sure

[MTVN]

Uber statement:

"3.5 million Londoners who use our app, and more than 40,000 licensed drivers who rely on Uber to make a living, will be astounded by this decision. By wanting to ban our app from the capital Transport for London and the Mayor have caved in to a small number of people who want to restrict consumer choice. If this decision stands, it will put more than 40,000 licensed drivers out of work and deprive Londoners of a convenient and affordable form of transport. To defend the livelihoods of all those drivers, and the consumer choice of millions of Londoners who use our app, we intend to immediately challenge this in the courts… This ban would show the world that, far from being open, London is closed to innovative companies who bring choice to consumers."

:clap2:

[Cherie]

Uber statement:

"3.5 million Londoners who use our app, and more than 40,000 licensed drivers who rely on Uber to make a living, will be astounded by this decision. By wanting to ban our app from the capital Transport for London and the Mayor have caved in to a small number of people who want to restrict consumer choice. If this decision stands, it will put more than 40,000 licensed drivers out of work and deprive Londoners of a convenient and affordable form of transport. To defend the livelihoods of all those drivers, and the consumer choice of millions of Londoners who use our app, we intend to immediately challenge this in the courts… This ban would show the world that, far from being open, London is closed to innovative companies who bring choice to consumers."

:clap2:

TFL made a decision driven by Black cabs I think ..that said the safety issues need addressing

[Cherie]

Bit of a fudge they can continue to trade during the appeal process which will take months, I think Khan bottled it and the decision will be overturned on appeal. Khan can say he tried do get them banned gets the black cabs/mini cabs off his back

[Brother Leon]

Terrible decision. Uber saves you so much money. Back to getting fleeced and being rejected half the time.

As for safety... it's a recorded journey, with a license plate, driver number and the name and picture of the driver saved. I'm not buying that.

[bots]

i predict people power will win in this particular case. People want a service like Uber, if they kill it off, the mayor will be out on his ass at the next election.

[Brother Leon]

911178230043996160
:laugh:


Some of the tweets are awesome :joker:

[Niamh.]

Terrible decision. Uber saves you so much money. Back to getting fleeced and being rejected half the time.

As for safety... it's a recorded journey, with a license plate, driver number and the name and picture of the driver saved. I'm not buying that.

Yeah i would have thought it's more safe than jumping into a normal cab tbh.

We can't get Uber here but I've used it in london and in the States and it's so handy, always had nice drivers too

[Tom4784]

A terrible decision that was made purely to force people to use normal Taxis.

If the Taxi industry is suffering because of Uber then it's down to them to adapt or perish.

[arista]

Apparently TFL told Uber only one minute before tweeting the news

3.5m people and 40,000 drivers use Uber, they'll all be out of a job now

Yes they will move to your City now

Its only London etc
some months to go yet , though
we have to get a Date it stops etc.

[James]

'London is open for business' - Sadiq Khan, 2016.

:umm2:

[Kizzy]

Apparently TFL told Uber only one minute before tweeting the news

3.5m people and 40,000 drivers use Uber, they'll all be out of a job now

There are 40,000 men who would pass the vetting and be willing to work, why haven't uber hired them?

I fully agree with the decision, in every profession there are safeguarding measures, if uber are not complicit with the requirement for working with the public then they will have to cease trading.

[Cherie]

There are 40,000 men who would pass the vetting and be willing to work, why haven't uber hired them?

I fully agree with the decision, in every profession there are safeguarding measures, if uber are not complicit with the requirement for working with the public then they will have to cease trading.

There is no riling as they can continue to work until the appeal

[Kizzy]

In what other industry would this be tolerated? I am at a loss to see why the decision here is seen not as upholding standards but simply damaging business... mind blown.

'Transport for London has announced it will not renew ride-sharing app Uber’s licence, because it had identified a “lack of corporate responsibility” in the company.

The statement highlighted four major areas of concern: the company’s approach to reporting criminal offences, the obtaining of medical certificates, its compliance with Enhanced Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) checks on employees, and its use of controversial Greyball software to "block regulatory access to the app".

Freedom of Information data obtained by The Sun last year showed that the Metropolitan Police investigated 32 drivers for rape or sexual assault of a passenger between May 2015 and May 2016.

In August, Metropolitan Police Inspector Neil Billany wrote to TfL about his concern that the company was failing to properly investigate allegations against its drivers.

He revealed the company had continued to employ a driver after he was accused of sexual assault. According to Inspector Billany, the same driver went on to assault another female passenger before he was removed.

The letter said: "By not reporting to police promptly, Uber are allowing situations to develop that clearly affect the safety and security of the public."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uber-london-ban-latest-news-scandals-rape-women-sexual-assault-ride-hailing-app-tfl-india-a7961236.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

good news for the black cabs and their trained, safe and vetted drivers

[Withano]

Dumb. I don't think the ban will last long considering how many others agree. I've never used Uber before, but I definitely would do so before considering a taxi.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dumb. I don't think the ban will last long considering how many others agree. I've never used Uber before, but I definitely would do so before considering a taxi.

You might but if you had daughters you might not

[DemolitionRed]

I never get a black cap in London as they are too expensive but I do sympathise with all London cabbies. I just looked up how much it would cost me to become a licenced London taxi driver. Just to get a TFL licence would set me back nearly £900 but that wouldn't include the cost of an enhanced DBS and a full medical.

Before I can get my TFL I need to pass a London knowledge test, both written and an appearance exam is required. Recommended study time for these exams is 4 years. I also have to have something called a character check.

Plates are often only available on the black market and can fetch anything up to 20k but no worries, I can hire a plate for £100 to £150 a week. Even if I take the lower end of that, I have to pay out £433 a month plus the running costs of my car and I've taken 4 years to get to the point of earning money.

Blow that. I can go to Uber and register online and be up and running without any checks. I've got a sat nav so who cares about road knowledge and I don't have to do any of the business side of things because Uber will just pay money into my account at the end of each week.

As far as health and safety is concerned, I'm not sure how they managed to slip through the net. Perhaps its because they aren't allowed to give loan under 18s a lift?

[Withano]

You might but if you had daughters you might not

If those were the only 2 choices available I would?.. I'm not sure what you're implying?

[Amy Jade]

This is such a poor decision. I use Uber a lot when I go to London and me and my friends go about 10 times a year, usually to concerts

We are all teenagers, we can't afford black cabs so as per this decision after we get off the tube we are pretty much being forced to walk to our hotel which can be quite far away. I am gutted they're doing this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If those were the only 2 choices available I would?.. I'm not sure what you're implying?

Uber London ban: The scandals that brought down the ride-hailing app

Sexual assault scandals and failure to vet drivers were major areas of concern, say Transport for London

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uber-london-ban-latest-news-scandals-rape-women-sexual-assault-ride-hailing-app-tfl-india-a7961236.html

Freedom of Information data obtained by The Sun last year showed that the Metropolitan Police investigated 32 drivers for rape or sexual assault of a passenger between May 2015 and May 2016.

[Withano]

Uber London ban: The scandals that brought down the ride-hailing app

Sexual assault scandals and failure to vet drivers were major areas of concern, say Transport for London

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uber-london-ban-latest-news-scandals-rape-women-sexual-assault-ride-hailing-app-tfl-india-a7961236.html

Freedom of Information data obtained by The Sun last year showed that the Metropolitan Police investigated 32 drivers for rape or sexual assault of a passenger between May 2015 and May 2016.

Why would me being a parent increase my chances of being sexually assaulted?

[Amy Jade]

To be completely honest you are at more risk of being raped by having to walk through the streets where any creep could be roaming around the next corner than you are getting in an uber where you are given the drivers details

[Crimson Dynamo]

To be completely honest you are at more risk of being raped by having to walk through the streets where any creep could be roaming around the next corner than you are getting in an uber where you are given the drivers details


Late at night perhaps but then no women should be walking about London late at night alone

[Amy Jade]

Late at night perhaps but then no women should be walking about London late at night alone

We might have to if Uber goes. We can't afford black cabs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We might have to if Uber goes. We can't afford black cabs.

Stay at home and save

[Nick.]

Angie Bowie fuming?

[Vicky.]

I have never used uber. Seen them about a few times though. Shame so many jobs are to be axed though. Especially at the moment when jobs are scarce and people are blamed/shamed for their own unemployment no matter the reasons...

Isn't there at least one rape a week by Uber drivers? Whether or not it's right for TFL to rescind their license, Uber should have something in place to vet its drivers.

Where does that come from? And that sounds about in keeping with the UK population and rapes/sexual assaults anyway. I checked up on this just out of curiosity when I saw this quote, and the results are shocking. Utterly awful.

Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men are raped in England and Wales alone every year; that's roughly 11 rapes (of adults alone) every hour. These figures include assaults by penetration and attempts.
Nearly half a million adults are sexually assaulted in England and Wales each year


https://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

So uber employs 40k people. And there is one rape per week. So 52 a year.

The UK population is 66m ish. And there are 100k rapes per year.


Utterly pointless post really. But the rape stats shocked me so much. Sexual assault at 500k a year too. Jesus.

Edited to add...


Freedom of Information data obtained by The Sun last year showed that the Metropolitan Police investigated 32 drivers for rape or sexual assault of a passenger between May 2015 and May 2016.


OK using these new stats of 32 per year (AND it being sexual assault rather than rape) rather than 52... Uber drivers are actually considerably safer than the general population. By a long shot.

[Kizzy]

in a 12 month period involving uber drivers only 32 is quite considerable, is pointless quoting stats the national average is irrelevant.

[Smithy]

Late at night perhaps but then no women should be walking about London late at night alone

Why :conf2:

[Oliver_W]

To be fair I rarely feel safe in London at night, if I have to go somewhere more than a stone's throw from a tube station or a busy area, I bring, something

[Vicky.]

in a 12 month period involving uber drivers only 32 is quite considerable, is pointless quoting stats the national average is irrelevant.

Ok lets go with only taxi drivers. Licensed ones.


good news for the black cabs and their trained, safe and vetted drivers

Really? You would think so, but no.

Crunching some numbers again, since I am now in the mood.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/taxi-and-private-hire-vehicles-statistics-england-2015

84770 licensed taxi drivers in London

(35% of the total number of taxis in UK, which is 242,200)

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/over-400-london-cab-drivers-charged-with-crimes-last-year-a3226396.html

Enhanced DBS checks are carried out on drivers every three years when they renew their taxi or private hire driver's licence, and every individual's fitness to become a licensed taxi or private hire driver is considered on a case-by-case basis.

A separate FOI revealed that in 2014/2015, a staggering 141 drivers were named as suspects in sex offences.

These included 31 in cases of rape, and 110 for other sexual assaults.

Now, its important to note here that some of this data is...out of date as I couldn't find this years stats. Ie. These stats on rape and such are from 2014/2015/2016. Uber only fairly recently got to 40k drivers. But for the sake of this, we will pretend they always had the 40k drivers. The number of drivers is not really too relevant when looking at stuff like this...its the ratios.

So uber 32 in a year from 40k drivers.
Licensed cabs 141 a year from 85k drivers.

As number of drivers is over double that of uber, its only fair to divide the number of attacks to be comparing like with like. So say 70 attacks from 42.5k drivers. Take off a further 10% of attacks, simply as I do not want people to be all like (omg but you have more attacks by licensed safe people because there are 2.5k more of them in the stats). 10% off 70, leaves 63. 10% off 42.5k leaves 38,425 drivers. Which leaves us with

So uber 32 in a year
'Licensed cabs' 63 in a year. Nearly double.

Clearly more attacks among these 'safe' licensed cabs eh...

--

If we assume that uber were included in these figures already, its even worse. So take off 40k uber drivers off for 'licensed cabs' leaving 45k. Also take off the confirmed reports for uber drivers. 109 attacks left.

109 rapes or sexual assaults between 45k 'safe and vetted' drivers.
V
32 rapes or sexual assaults between 40k 'dangerous' uber drivers.


Whichever way you crunch it, uber seem to be considerably more safe.


Any amount of sexual assault or rape among any amount of drivers is disgusting. I am not defending these vile people who committed these acts at all. Just proving a point that I didn't really need to prove but fancied messing about with as I am slightly high on my pain meds

[Kizzy]

Were the assaults as quoted in the article specific to London though and the stats you have national? That might account for it.

That said I guess people who are vetted can go on to offend as opportunists, say with a vulnerable female, however to not vet the drivers at all is a dereliction of your responsibility as a responsible employer flouting guidelines on safeguarding.
That remains unchanged regardless.

[Vicky.]

Were the assaults as quoted in the article specific to London though and the stats you have national? That might account for it.

That said I guess people who are vetted can go on to offend as opportunists, say with a vulnerable female, however to not vet the drivers at all is a dereliction of your responsibility as a responsible employer flouting guidelines on safeguarding.
That remains unchanged regardless.

Nope, specific to London.

[Kizzy]

Why is it so hard for them to just comply?... Do your checks and operate, if you don't you will cease to have licences granted.
Every other company in the UK has regulatory or safeguarding criteria, why are uber different?



Uber has responded to Transport for London's announcement that it will not renew the company's licence to operate in the UK capital.

In a statement, Uber said that banning its operations in London would, "show the world that, far from being open, London is closed to innovative companies who bring choice to consumers.” Uber vowed to challenge the ruling. It has 21 days to lodge an appeal.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uber-ban-statement-tfl-london-private-licence-consumer-choice-app-restrict-ruling-private-licence-a7960971.html

[Vicky.]

Why is it so hard for them to just comply?... Do your checks and operate, if you don't you will cease to have licences granted.
Every other company in the UK has regulatory or safeguarding criteria, why are uber different?



Uber has responded to Transport for London's announcement that it will not renew the company's licence to operate in the UK capital.

In a statement, Uber said that banning its operations in London would, "show the world that, far from being open, London is closed to innovative companies who bring choice to consumers.” Uber vowed to challenge the ruling. It has 21 days to lodge an appeal.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uber-ban-statement-tfl-london-private-licence-consumer-choice-app-restrict-ruling-private-licence-a7960971.html

Well yes, they could do that of course

Seems the safety thing has been blown WAY out of proportion though and it also seems that TFL are* at fault for the number of attacks by licensed drivers in the first place.

*partly at fault, as the main blame lies with the rapist/person who assaulted the victims of course

Ms Clarkson, who has been a black cab driver for 30 years and lives in Chislehurst, has worked with organisations including the Suzy Lamplugh Trust in a bid to increase women's safety when travelling in cabs.

She told the Standard: "These figures are absolutely appalling, the blame lies squarely at TfL's door.

"For every hour that TfL's offices were open at one point they were handing out one licence every three minutes and 40 seconds - it's impossible to do the checks and balances."

Glen Alutto, a black cab driver for 17 years, also said that licensing of drivers was too lax.

Mr Alutto, 47, who lives in Enfield, told the Standard: "I'm shocked by these figures, but not surprised.

"They're licensing 700 private hire drivers a week.

"It's no longer news when you see that one of them has crashed or driven the wrong way down a street.

Maybe TFL are a bit pissed off that Uber seem better at vetting drivers than they are? Given whatever uber do do to weed out the offenders...they seem to be doing so better than TFL with their checks :idc:

[GiRTh]

Ok lets go with only taxi drivers. Licensed ones.




Really? You would think so, but no.

Crunching some numbers again, since I am now in the mood.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/taxi-and-private-hire-vehicles-statistics-england-2015

84770 licensed taxi drivers in London

(35% of the total number of taxis in UK, which is 242,200)

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/over-400-london-cab-drivers-charged-with-crimes-last-year-a3226396.html



Now, its important to note here that some of this data is...out of date as I couldn't find this years stats. Ie. These stats on rape and such are from 2014/2015/2016. Uber only fairly recently got to 40k drivers. But for the sake of this, we will pretend they always had the 40k drivers. The number of drivers is not really too relevant when looking at stuff like this...its the ratios.

So uber 32 in a year from 40k drivers.
Licensed cabs 141 a year from 85k drivers.

As number of drivers is over double that of uber, its only fair to divide the number of attacks to be comparing like with like. So say 70 attacks from 42.5k drivers. Take off a further 10% of attacks, simply as I do not want people to be all like (omg but you have more attacks by licensed safe people because there are 2.5k more of them in the stats). 10% off 70, leaves 63. 10% off 42.5k leaves 38,425 drivers. Which leaves us with

So uber 32 in a year
'Licensed cabs' 63 in a year. Nearly double.

Clearly more attacks among these 'safe' licensed cabs eh...

--

If we assume that uber were included in these figures already, its even worse. So take off 40k uber drivers off for 'licensed cabs' leaving 45k. Also take off the confirmed reports for uber drivers. 109 attacks left.

109 rapes or sexual assaults between 45k 'safe and vetted' drivers.
V
32 rapes or sexual assaults between 40k 'dangerous' uber drivers.


Whichever way you crunch it, uber seem to be considerably more safe.


Any amount of sexual assault or rape among any amount of drivers is disgusting. I am not defending these vile people who committed these acts at all. Just proving a point that I didn't really need to prove but fancied messing about with as I am slightly high on my pain medsExcellent analysis Vicky :thumbs:

I thought this opinion piece was quite interesting

Opinion: London’s Uber ban isn’t about safety, it’s about protecting unions

There are more sexual assaults in the Underground than in Uber cars

London’s Uber ban isn’t about safety, it’s about protecting unions (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/londons-uber-ban-isnt-about-safety-its-about-protecting-unions-2017-09-22)

[Kizzy]

The fact is vetting and barring is used for a reason and regardless of whether or not it prevents attacks it prevents known predators from using the profession to trawl for victims.

How many licences are issued is not the problem, drivers are needed obviously... safe drivers.

[Oliver_W]

Opinion: London’s Uber ban isn’t about safety, it’s about protecting unions
No kidding. Which party is Kahn from?

[GiRTh]

No kidding. Which party is Kahn from?Labour, last time I looked :shrug:

[Underscore]

****ing pisstake.

The black cabbie drivers shouldn't be charging extortionate prices

A cab ride from Victoria to Waterloo, a journey of 2.5 miles, will cost the same as a ticket from London Gatwick to Rome Fiumincino booked 3 months in advance, or 22 pounds. They deserve to die out since they cannot compete. I normally support some degree of higher pricing for self employed but in this case it's simply extortionate.

[Kizzy]

At the bottom of the article... :joker:

SPONSORED RESULTS
1. Sign Up for Uber Driver

2. Uber Driver Application

[Oliver_W]

Labour, last time I looked :shrug:

Dat's wight wabbit. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4575488/Revealed-unions-sinister-hold-Corbyn.html)

[Amy Jade]

Stay at home and save

No.

[GiRTh]

Dat's wight wabbit. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4575488/Revealed-unions-sinister-hold-Corbyn.html):conf:
Dont get the title...Would you like to explain? Before you answer...are you under the impression I am a labour supporter? You may want to reconsider that in your response.

Khans Response

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1656011107785003&id=275283499191111

[arista]

KIZZY

FACT: TFL verified EVERY FECKING DRIVER
for UBER.

This is Stitch up by NO GOOD MAYOR
KAHN

Appeal is up to 8 weeks so UBER still LEGAL
BLISS

[arista]

LeatherTrumpet View Post
Stay at home and save

LT 80% cheaper
are you pissed or SoMETHing

[Marsh.]

Stay at home and save

The classic response. :joker:

You don't want to be burgled? Don't own a home or have any belongings.

You don't want to be raped? Don't show any skin in public.

People are getting attacked in the street? Stay at home.

[Cherie]

Khan is beginning to look pretty weak and ineffectual,he is making Bojo look good at this stage.

[Underscore]

Khan is beginning to look pretty weak and ineffectual,he is making Bojo look good at this stage.

Bitch Bojo was a good mayor see: Boris Bikes.

But I couldn't stomach supporting Goldsmith this time so I supported Khan in both rounds and I still stand by my vote

[Kizzy]

KIZZY

FACT: TFL verified EVERY FECKING DRIVER
for UBER.

This is Stitch up by NO GOOD MAYOR
KAHN

Appeal is up to 8 weeks so UBER still LEGAL
BLISS

Stop shouting and swearing at me please.... A disclosure is not transferable, should you apply for a job you will have to obtain another.

[Kizzy]

Khan is beginning to look pretty weak and ineffectual,he is making Bojo look good at this stage.

Weak and ineffectual, for standing behind the rule of corporate responsibility?

I would have thought that would be in the social interest, but no I guess bojo and his 'garden bridge' ' water cannon' pie in the sky ideas that wasted 100s of millions of pounds of public money is stronger :laugh:

[Cherie]

Weak and ineffectual, for standing behind the rule of corporate responsibility?

I would have thought that would be in the social interest, but no I guess bojo and his 'garden bridge' ' water cannon' pie in the sky ideas that wasted 100s of millions of pounds of public money is stronger :laugh:

if safety is the key issue here i don't understand why they have been allowed to continue trading? it is a fudge, he has passed the buck to a judge to make a decision and it will be more than likely overturned at that point, also I didn't say Bojo was good, I said Khan is making him look good

[user104658]

So uber 32 in a year from 40k drivers.
Licensed cabs 141 a year from 85k drivers.

As number of drivers is over double that of uber, its only fair to divide the number of attacks to be comparing like with like. So say 70 attacks from 42.5k drivers. Take off a further 10% of attacks, simply as I do not want people to be all like (omg but you have more attacks by licensed safe people because there are 2.5k more of them in the stats). 10% off 70, leaves 63. 10% off 42.5k leaves 38,425 drivers. Which leaves us with

So uber 32 in a year
'Licensed cabs' 63 in a year. Nearly double.

Clearly more attacks among these 'safe' licensed cabs eh...
[/SIZE]

Vicky I'm sorry but I can't handle your maths! :laugh:

All you need to do to scale this is;

(Total Uber / Total Other) x (Attacks by Other)

40 / 85 x 141

= 66 (.35)

[Crimson Dynamo]

The classic response. :joker:

You don't want to be burgled? Don't own a home or have any belongings.

You don't want to be raped? Don't show any skin in public.

People are getting attacked in the street? Stay at home.

no you doughnut I was referring to her financial status

please keep up

:rolleyes:

But yes any woman walking about London alone after midnight needs their head looked at

[Withano]

Online petition has 500k+ signatures.

[Marsh.]

no you doughnut I was referring to her financial status

please keep up

:rolleyes:

But yes any woman walking about London alone after midnight needs their head looked at
So she doesn't want to be ripped off? Stay in and don't spend your money on anything.

Yeah, good response.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So she doesn't want to be ripped off? Stay in and don't spend your money on anything.

Yeah, good response.

correct, if you cant afford a proper taxi then dont go out or do something that you can use public transport at a reasonable time. One cuts ones cloth accordingly.

[Withano]

correct, if you cant afford a proper taxi then dont go out or do something that you can use public transport at a reasonable time. One cuts ones cloth accordingly.

I feel like you're going for a new PB of points you miss here

[Crimson Dynamo]

I feel like you're going for a new PB of points you miss here

yes but then your feelings are not the best

[Withano]

yes but then your feelings are not the best

No u

[Marsh.]

correct, if you cant afford a proper taxi then dont go out or do something that you can use public transport at a reasonable time. One cuts ones cloth accordingly.
You're missing the point.

[Cherie]

In a fresh statement, released after a petition against his decision became the fastest growing this year, Mr Khan said: "I have every sympathy with Uber drivers and customers affected by this decision but their anger really should be directed at Uber.”
“They have let down their drivers and customers by failing, in the view of TfL, to act as a fit and proper operator.
"I suspect it will take some time before this situation with Uber fully plays out,” the mayor added.

[Vicky.]

Vicky I'm sorry but I can't handle your maths! :laugh:

All you need to do to scale this is;

(Total Uber / Total Other) x (Attacks by Other)

40 / 85 x 141

= 66 (.35)

Maths was not my strongest subject at school, and I don't remember most of it

I was kind of off my tits on morphine and it was occupying me to try and sort it all out. Was close enough though by the looks of it :laugh:

[bots]

Uber are a seriously dodgy company, and it says a lot that so many care more about the cost of a taxi than their personal safety. Seems to me different rules are applied when it personally saves a few quid.

I do agree that there is a place for a service like Uber, but it has to provide fundamental levels of protection to its customers. Uber has lost its license to operate in many cities across Europe and in the USA, so they are not being unfairly picked on. They need to revise their operating practices if they wish to continue.

[JTM45]

I was kind of off my tits on morphine

''mmmmm........Morphine......:tongue:'' (said in a Homer Simpson-esque drool). One of nature's greatest gifts to mankind.:laugh:

Hope your health is okay Vicky.:love:

[Amy Jade]

no you doughnut I was referring to her financial status

please keep up

:rolleyes:

But yes any woman walking about London alone after midnight needs their head looked at

So because with uber gone you suggest I stay away from London, to save money as me and my friends will not be able to afford a black cab?

Yes lets save money by not atteneding the concert we have already paid for in November, that'll save us money :rolleyes:

[Kizzy]

if safety is the key issue here i don't understand why they have been allowed to continue trading? it is a fudge, he has passed the buck to a judge to make a decision and it will be more than likely overturned at that point, also I didn't say Bojo was good, I said Khan is making him look good

So you consider Kahns decision to allow the justice system to do it's job is a bad idea... That he should simply make those decisions himself autocratically?

Should the operator get the decision overturned it will be on the understanding that they remain complicit, and nobody has an issue with that.

I'm still failing to see what how or why this course of action makes bojo look good :/

[Cherie]

So you consider Kahns decision to allow the justice system to do it's job is a bad idea... That he should simply make those decisions himself autocratically?

Should the operator get the decision overturned it will be on the understanding that they remain complicit, and nobody has an issue with that.

I'm still failing to see what how or why this course of action makes bojo look good :/

No the licence has been under review since May! It expires on 30 Sept, if there is a risk to public safety and security why not suspend until the judge makes a decision, makes no sense to continue running a service you have deemed is unsafe, to me at any rate

[Tom4784]

The idea that Uber would still be allowed to operate without a license to appeal the ruling is suspect. If the situation was as bad as it was made out then surely they'd have been unable to operate until the ruling was overturned.

It's a tactical move to give the Black Cab industry a boost, the safety concerns are a poor argument when Vicky's maths earlier in the thread showed that you were more at risk in a Black Cab than an uber.

[Oliver_W]

Tbh we need less government when it comes to businesses, not more.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hope the Black cab trade got a welcome boost from this, this weekend

[DemolitionRed]

I was chatting with someone about this today and they told me that its likely being dismantled because its a tax scam. The owner of Uber isn't charged VAT on his business because his business model is set up to make its drivers responsible for VAT. Because its doubtful that many if any drivers are earning enough to be VAT registered, it simply means no VAT is paid.