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Northern Monkey
26-09-2017, 09:33 AM
The BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg has been assigned a security detail at the Labour party conference following online abuse, reports suggests.
Ms Kuenssberg, who is the first woman to lead the BBC's political coverage, will be accompanied by bodyguards while reporting on Labour events during the four-day conference in Brighton, which started on Sunday.
The corporation also decided to bolster Ms Kuenssberg's protection during the general election in June after she faced threats over alleged bias in her reporting about Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. She was also accused of partiality by supporters of the Conservatives and Ukip.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/laura-kuenssberg-labour-party-conference-bodyguards-bbc-politics-editor-online-abuse-social-media-a7965301.html
arista
26-09-2017, 09:39 AM
Yes she is getting
Death Threats as well
Thicker skin
NEEDED
Crimson Dynamo
26-09-2017, 09:41 AM
i bet Corbyn regrets making them now
DemolitionRed
26-09-2017, 10:46 AM
No threats are acceptable, regardless of what your political leaning is and everyone should be able to go about their business without fear of physical assault.
As for Kuenssberg, she is a sneering poor quality, often biased journalist who is not only hated by the Left but by UKIP and the Tories too, but none of these people hate her more than Trump.
That being said, I think its right that the BBC are erring on the side of caution.
she is a singularly obnoxious piece of work. Can't stand her.
Brillopad
26-09-2017, 11:18 AM
The BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg has been assigned a security detail at the Labour party conference following online abuse, reports suggests.
Ms Kuenssberg, who is the first woman to lead the BBC's political coverage, will be accompanied by bodyguards while reporting on Labour events during the four-day conference in Brighton, which started on Sunday.
The corporation also decided to bolster Ms Kuenssberg's protection during the general election in June after she faced threats over alleged bias in her reporting about Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. She was also accused of partiality by supporters of the Conservatives and Ukip.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/laura-kuenssberg-labour-party-conference-bodyguards-bbc-politics-editor-online-abuse-social-media-a7965301.html
Surely not - according to some there is no such thing as a hard-left thug. Just a figment of the 'right wings' imagination. :hehe:
Oliver_W
26-09-2017, 11:41 AM
If I was Jewish, I wouldn't feel safe in a modern Labour setting....
DemolitionRed
26-09-2017, 02:11 PM
If I was Jewish, I wouldn't feel safe in a modern Labour setting....
Oh come on! there are many anti-zionist Jews (http://http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-1.794102) in the Labour party or supporting the Labour party.
As for Laura Kuenssberg, its got nothing to do with being Jewish and all to do with her vile and biased slant on leftwing politics. I didn't even know she was Jewish until you wrote the above line, so I went off and researched her background. She was and this should be noted; promoted to a position of political editor by none other than pro-Israel/pro-Zionist/pro-activist James Harding's.
Oh come on! there are many anti-zionist Jews (http://http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-1.794102) in the Labour party or supporting the Labour party.
As for Laura Kuenssberg, its got nothing to do with being Jewish and all to do with her vile and biased slant on leftwing politics. I didn't even know she was Jewish until you wrote the above line, so I went off and researched her background. She was and this should be noted; promoted to a position of political editor by none other than pro-Israel/pro-Zionist/pro-activist James Harding's.
The fact she needed bodyguards because she doesnt support the labour party doesnt bode well for the population if they come to power.
Oliver_W
26-09-2017, 08:29 PM
The conference hosted a speaker who supported holocaust denial (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/26/new-antisemitism-row-for-labour-over-fringe-speakers-holocaust-remarks-miko-peled), while an event at the conference compared (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546491/labour-branded-the-new-nasty-party-after-activists-compare-israel-supporters-to-the-nazis-and-suggested-debating-holocaust-denial/)Israel to Nazi Germany.
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 08:05 AM
The conference hosted a speaker who supported holocaust denial (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/26/new-antisemitism-row-for-labour-over-fringe-speakers-holocaust-remarks-miko-peled), while an event at the conference compared (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546491/labour-branded-the-new-nasty-party-after-activists-compare-israel-supporters-to-the-nazis-and-suggested-debating-holocaust-denial/)Israel to Nazi Germany.
And they have strongly apologised. It turns out that speaker is Jewish so imagine how alarmed and surprised they were when Israeli born Jew, Miko Peled, started going on about freedom of speech and included speak about hollocaust denial.
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 08:18 AM
The conference hosted a speaker who supported holocaust denial (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/26/new-antisemitism-row-for-labour-over-fringe-speakers-holocaust-remarks-miko-peled), while an event at the conference compared (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546491/labour-branded-the-new-nasty-party-after-activists-compare-israel-supporters-to-the-nazis-and-suggested-debating-holocaust-denial/)Israel to Nazi Germany.
Many Jewish people all over the world are anti-Zionist. You don't have to be Jewish to be Zionist and being anti-Zionist doesn't make you anti-Jew... Zionism is not antisemitism.
I, for example, am anti-Zionist. I have nothing against the Jewish faith or the people who practice that faith but my support for an apartheid in the name of religion doesn't exist.
Crimson Dynamo
27-09-2017, 08:34 AM
I wonder if its the fact that Jewish people tend to have a good income and decent standard of living that makes them a target for labour?
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 08:46 AM
And they have strongly apologised. It turns out that speaker is Jewish so imagine how alarmed and surprised they were when Israeli born Jew, Miko Peled, started going on about freedom of speech and included speak about hollocaust denial.
Maybe they should do some research (http://thedailyaztec.com/78808/opinion/campus-activists-silent-in-face-of-anti-semitic-author/)into their speakers (http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/miko-peleds-big-anti-semitism-problem/).
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 09:43 AM
Maybe they should do some research (http://thedailyaztec.com/78808/opinion/campus-activists-silent-in-face-of-anti-semitic-author/)into their speakers (http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/miko-peleds-big-anti-semitism-problem/).
There is a line between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism,” ISCOR junior Hilary Cohen said. “Peled has crossed that line. One can criticize Israel without using anti-Semitic rhetoric. Yes, absolutely; they should do some research and clearly they have to take responsibility for not doing that.
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 09:57 AM
There is a line between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism,” ISCOR junior Hilary Cohen said. “Peled has crossed that line. One can criticize Israel without using anti-Semitic rhetoric. Yes, absolutely; they should do some research and clearly they have to take responsibility for not doing that.
I agree, especially when modern Labour is already tarred with the brush of anti-Semitism. You'd think every speaker or prominent person who'd been invited would be checked out, if Labour cared.
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 10:06 AM
I agree, especially when modern Labour is already tarred with the brush of anti-Semitism. You'd think every speaker or prominent person who'd been invited would be checked out, if Labour cared.
Its tarred with that brush because right-wing media take every opportunity to pump this bullet at the Labour party. Labour's PR team need sacking.
If Labour were anti-Semitic I couldn't and wouldn't support them, so although stuff like this makes me pissed at the Labour party, it only makes me pissed because they don't seem to understand due diligence.
Its tarred with that brush because right-wing media take every opportunity to pump this bullet at the Labour party. Labour's PR team need sacking.
If Labour were anti-Semitic I couldn't and wouldn't support them, so although stuff like this makes me pissed at the Labour party, it only makes me pissed because they don't seem to understand due diligence.Who are the right-wing media?
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 10:18 AM
Who are the right-wing media?
The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/18/labour-antisemitism-jews-jeremy-corbyn) and the Spectator (https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/labour-party-become-institutionally-anti-semitic/), apparently.
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 10:29 AM
Who are the right-wing media?
The Times
The Telegraph
The Sun
The Daily Express
The Daily Mail
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 10:30 AM
The paper with the least Left/Right slant is probably The Independent.
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 10:34 AM
The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/18/labour-antisemitism-jews-jeremy-corbyn) and the Spectator (https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/labour-party-become-institutionally-anti-semitic/), apparently.
Geez, the Guardian has a picture of a Haredi ultra orthodox Jew above its headline. It just goes to show how crap mainstream journalism is these days.
Edited to add: Its good to see the Jewish community correcting this journalist in the comments section.
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 10:39 AM
It doesn't matter who reports events, the anti-Semitism shouldn't be there to be reported.
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 10:41 AM
It doesn't matter who reports events, the anti-Semitism shouldn't be there to be reported.
But its not about anti-Semitism, its about Zionism.
Those few people who made anti-Jewish comments are long gone. They were zapped, sacked... got rid of.
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 10:43 AM
It doesn't matter who reports events, the anti-Semitism shouldn't be there to be reported.
And neither should anti-Islam. No religion should be demonized.
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 10:45 AM
And neither should anti-Islam. No religion should be demonized.
Then I guess it's lucky there is no Anti-islam in mainstream politics.
Tom4784
27-09-2017, 11:26 AM
Then I guess it's lucky there is no Anti-islam in mainstream politics.
Have you not seen who is in the White House lately? Did Jo Cox's murder pass you by? Not seen the latest German election polls?
There's a massive anti-islamic slant in a lot of western countries' politics and it will only become more extreme.
Tom4784
27-09-2017, 11:28 AM
As for the topic at hand, I'm glad they've given her security, although the threat is likely empty it should still be taken seriously.
I'm sad that it's had to come to that though. If people disagree with her views then they should open a dialogue, not issue threats.
Crimson Dynamo
27-09-2017, 11:36 AM
Have you not seen who is in the White House lately? Did Jo Cox's murder pass you by? Not seen the latest German election polls?
There's a massive anti-islamic slant in a lot of western countries' politics and it will only become more extreme.
one person in the UK and 12% of the German vote
is
massive?
ok
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 11:45 AM
I didn't know Jo Cox was muslim.
And are people still banging on about the "muslim ban"? Looking at what's happening in Europe, it's hard to blame people for falling for that sort of thing, especially in Germany.
I didn't know Jo Cox was muslim.You learn something new everyday on here.
Tom4784
27-09-2017, 12:23 PM
I didn't know Jo Cox was muslim.
And are people still banging on about the "muslim ban"? Looking at what's happening in Europe, it's hard to blame people for falling for that sort of thing, especially in Germany.
Did I say she was? She was killed because Thomas Mair, who had links to anti-muslim groups, saw her as a 'race traitor'. It was a politically motivated murder.
The Muslim Ban is still relevant because it's recently had a new iteration in which two other countries have been put on there as tokens to make the Muslim Ban seem less like a Muslim Ban in order to overcome the illegality of it.
You don't respond to extremism with extremism.
one person in the UK and 12% of the German vote
is
massive?
ok
It isn't if you ignore the fact that Extremism has been on the rise throughout most elections that's happened in recent years, thankfully in most cases they lost but ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. Pretending that extremism doesn't exist in politics just makes it easier for them to gain a bigger foothold in politics.
12% is a lot for an extreme party, they went from having no say or power to becoming the third biggest share of votes. It's worrying if they continue to garner support.
Kizzy
27-09-2017, 12:29 PM
I didn't know Jo Cox was muslim.
And are people still banging on about the "muslim ban"? Looking at what's happening in Europe, it's hard to blame people for falling for that sort of thing, especially in Germany.
Who said she was?...
She was murdered by a right wing extremist. the reasoning he gave was political, in relation to her work in Muslim communities.
Falling for what kind of thing, the Muslim ban is given credibility because of what?
The thread started with the apparent need for a political reporter employing a bodyguard due to her views, and has descended into the demonisation of Muslims. Who would have thought it?
Crimson Dynamo
27-09-2017, 12:37 PM
Who said she was?...
She was murdered by a right wing extremist. the reasoning he gave was political, in relation to her work in Muslim communities.
Falling for what kind of thing, the Muslim ban is given credibility because of what?
The thread started with the apparent need for a political reporter employing a bodyguard due to her views, and has descended into the demonisation of Muslims. Who would have thought it?
pretty much just you
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 12:59 PM
Did I say she was? She was killed because Thomas Mair, who had links to anti-muslim groups, saw her as a 'race traitor'. It was a politically motivated murder.
The Muslim Ban is still relevant because it's recently had a new iteration in which two other countries have been put on there as tokens to make the Muslim Ban seem less like a Muslim Ban in order to overcome the illegality of it.
As a "muslim ban" it kind of fails for not including Afghanistan, and many other muslim-majority countries. Maybe that's because it's not about muslims or islam, but about extremists.
Kizzy
27-09-2017, 01:10 PM
pretty much just you
ok
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 01:30 PM
Then I guess it's lucky there is no Anti-islam in mainstream politics.
Don't you listen to world affairs?
Each year the UK government gives £billions (not millions) to Israel and a similar amount in arms. This is so the Zionists can wipe out the Islamists.
In 2016 the U.S. Finalized a deal to Give Israel $38 Billion in Military Aid. This was so the Zionists could wipe out the Islamists.
We are very openly aiding Israel to wipe out what's left of Palestine and that is what Jeremy Corbyn is against. The problem is, many people don't understand the difference between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism... they believe its the same thing and so when Labour make anti-Zionist speeches, the Right use those speeches as anti-Jew rhetoric from the Left-wing party and you know what? people fall for it again and again because what they haven't learned and probably don't want to learn is, the British and American governments are the biggest Zionists on this planet.
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 01:50 PM
Don't you listen to world affairs?
Each year the UK government gives £billions (not millions) to Israel and a similar amount in arms. This is so the Zionists can wipe out the Islamists.
We are very openly aiding Israel to wipe out what's left of Palestine
You mean the same way we give arms to the Saudis?
lol at "wiping out Palestine", who's population growth is the same now as it was before 2010.
Worst. Genocide. Ever.
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 01:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks&t=45s
Zionism does to Judaism what ISIS does to Islam
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 05:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks&t=45s
Zionism does to Judaism what ISIS does to Islam
Just ISIS, not all the other islamic terror groups and individual terrorists over the world?
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 06:55 PM
Just ISIS, not all the other islamic terror groups and individual terrorists over the world?
And lets not forget western terror. The 1.3 million Muslims we killed in Iraq and the 1.7 million dead across the middle east due to western sanctions in our crusade on terrorism. Let's not forget the 800 men, many of them innocent, who were imprisoned and tortured without restraint in Guantánamo Bay. We, by holding hands with the U.S have supported terrorism in far more countries than ISIS or other western-made terror groups will ever reach. Our government has blood on its hands.
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 06:58 PM
whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout
DemolitionRed
27-09-2017, 08:26 PM
whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout
Oh dear, did you run out of things to say?
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 08:41 PM
Oh dear, did you run out of things to say?
No, it's just banging on about how the West are "terrorists" has nothing to do with anything.
Tom4784
27-09-2017, 10:23 PM
As a "muslim ban" it kind of fails for not including Afghanistan, and many other muslim-majority countries. Maybe that's because it's not about muslims or islam, but about extremists.
The only muslim majority countries that were left off were countries that the US are allied with OR Trump's company has business interests there.
You can spin it all you want, a shovel is a shovel and a muslim ban is a muslim ban.
Oliver_W
27-09-2017, 10:51 PM
The only muslim majority countries that were left off were countries that the US are allied with OR Trump's company has business interests there.
You can spin it all you want, a shovel is a shovel and a muslim ban is a muslim ban.
Well, no it's not. For example, the "ban" can be waived in individual cases, like for an interpreter. I highly doubt that every muslim country not included in the "ban" is either a US ally or a Trump business interest, do you have a source for this?
DemolitionRed
28-09-2017, 07:55 AM
No, it's just banging on about how the West are "terrorists" has nothing to do with anything.
It must be nice to be as sure about anything as you are about everything because when you're so sure about everything you can just ignore circumstances.
But its difficult if not impossible to have a balanced debate with people who are driven by one-sided sensationalistic western media.
Tom4784
28-09-2017, 11:43 AM
Well, no it's not. For example, the "ban" can be waived in individual cases, like for an interpreter. I highly doubt that every muslim country not included in the "ban" is either a US ally or a Trump business interest, do you have a source for this?
Doesn't take much effort to google it.
You're focusing on the tiny cracks in order to deny there's a massive chasm in the wall. Most experts of every political persuasion agree that this is, and always has been, a muslim ban.
Oliver_W
28-09-2017, 12:19 PM
It must be nice to be as sure about anything as you are about everything because when you're so sure about everything you can just ignore circumstances.
But its difficult if not impossible to have a balanced debate with people who are driven by one-sided sensationalistic western media.
Germany and France have little to do with the interventions, and they've had plenty of terror attacks. Maybe because they're ideologically drive, rather than an imaginary tit-for-tat.
Doesn't take much effort to google it.
You're focusing on the tiny cracks in order to deny there's a massive chasm in the wall. Most experts of every political persuasion agree that this is, and always has been, a muslim ban.
The burden of proof lies with the claimant, and I've seen no proof it's anything but a hold on immigration from places affected by extremism.
DemolitionRed
28-09-2017, 01:31 PM
Germany and France have little to do with the interventions, and they've had plenty of terror attacks. Maybe because they're ideologically drive, rather than an imaginary tit-for-tat.
Don't you research this stuff before posting?
https://mises.org/blog/long-history-french-military-intervention-middle-east-and-africa
A quick look at social media today reveals that many of the same people who imagined the US was "minding its own business" prior to 9/11 now seem to be under the impression that France has a hands-off approach in the Middle East and surrounding areas.
Of course, this position is even more ridiculous since the French have an even longer and arguably more brutal history than the US when it comes to Syria, Lebanon, North Africa, and more.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/09/09/turk-s09.html
The German army is to massively expand its presence at the Incirlik air base in southeastern Turkey. The defence ministry under Ursula Von der Leyen has announced investments totalling €58 million.
According to Spiegel Online, €26 million is to be used to construct an airstrip for the Tornados stationed there and permanent accommodation for the troops. For an additional €30 million, the army will establish a mobile command centre for the deployment of the air force. For this, the building of a foundation will be necessary, which costs an additional €2 million.
The NATO Incirlik airbase is the main location from where the US-led air war in Syria and Iraq is waged, in which the German army has participated since last year with fighter jets, a warship, refuelling aircraft, satellite technology and up to 1,200 troops. The German Tornado pilots have flown approximately 500 reconnaissance missions since then.
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