The labour party conference.

[Beso]

Omg, its so nauseating.

Jeremy and diane are like an old married couple patting eachother on the back.

For the many my arse...for these 2s egos..nothing more nothing less.

[Crimson Dynamo]

its on now on Jeremy Vine

its bloody awful

:yuk:

[DemolitionRed]

Omg, its so nauseating.

Jeremy and diane are like an old married couple patting eachother on the back.

For the many my arse...for these 2s egos..nothing more nothing less.

Em what? is this a discussion or are you just having a rant?

[DemolitionRed]

its on now on Jeremy Vine

its bloody awful

:yuk:

Wow, you have a Marxist pic now! Have you changed sides?

[Beso]

its on now on Jeremy Vine

its bloody awful

:yuk:

That diane abbot is strutting about like stuart pearce after he scored that penalty for england..makes me sick.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/27/12/article-4924760-44C6429F00000578-228_636x584.jpg

[Beso]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/27/12/article-4924760-44C6429F00000578-228_636x584.jpg

Surprised its not a nazi salute to be honest.

[Alf]

Emily Thornbury declaring war with America.

These people need locking up for our safety.

[Alf]

Corbyn's peculiar achievement has been to make the Labour core even more middle class than it was under Blair. Somehow a party founded to represent the working classes is now a party of the bitter bourgeoisie. The conference won't even discuss Brexit, the thing their working-class voters want most. Because they don't really care what working-class voters want. It's the hip, urban, well-off youths who think they're Marxists but behave like Stalinists that Labour now courts. Truth hurts!

Bredan O'Neill

[Oliver_W]

Wow, you have a Marxist pic now! Have you changed sides?

Have you ever seen Citizen Smith?

[Kizzy]

I'll wait until the trollings died down before I comment seriously I think :idc:

[Alf]

The BBC went to the Labour party conference to ask delegates who won the General Election. These people are nuts.


https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22046700_1486769454746476_2070205996105395701_n.jp g?oh=58df04f04ecef0db5c8fd78e49379622&oe=5A45DEB7

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22046765_1486769461413142_5243349377785816824_n.jp g?oh=882fcc76eb28f66b8cdb2c913de849e2&oe=5A492BF2

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https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22007374_1486769484746473_8584943355798950287_n.jp g?oh=541a110d8f1cb3b844c968b302650506&oe=5A823E5D

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22046006_1486769558079799_2757178082336228290_n.jp g?oh=723e3d6f6852d5c48bfc859b532db53b&oe=5A4971F0

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21768285_1486769584746463_8423890383752631225_n.jp g?oh=aa1c3e0c8c158482c2a6e1ab2b6c21df&oe=5A4C6D2B

[Alf]

I'll wait until the trollings died down before I comment seriously I think :idc:The floor is all yours. Go ahead.

[Kizzy]

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

During the election campaign I met and listened to people in every part of the country.

Struggling single parents, young people held back by lack of opportunity.

Pensioners anxious about health and social care, public servants trying to keep services together.

Low and middle earners, self-employed and employed, facing insecurity and squeezed living standards.

But hopeful that things could change, and that Labour could make a difference.

Many hadn’t voted before, or not for years past.

But they put their faith in our party.

We offered an antidote to apathy and despair.

Let everyone understand - we will not let you down.

Because we listen to you, because we believe in you.

Labour can and will deliver a Britain for the many not just the few.

Corbyn's speech - Snap verdict

That was probably one of the best speeches Jeremy Corbyn given in a lifetime of speechifying, and easily his best as party leader. It was unusually long, even for this gig (75 minutes, according to my count), but it had substance and a few passages of exceptionally good writing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/sep/27/jeremy-corbyn-conference-speech-labour-conference-2017-jeremy-corbyn-to-use-speech-to-say-public-services-and-businesses-must-be-more-accountable-politics-live

[DemolitionRed]

Have you ever seen Citizen Smith?

No but I read about him and he was a red wing socialist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/citizen-smith-who-tv-sitcom-uk-politics-returns-robert-lindsay-marxist-jeremy-corbyn-a7631306.html

[smudgie]

No but I read about him and he was a red wing socialist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/citizen-smith-who-tv-sitcom-uk-politics-returns-robert-lindsay-marxist-jeremy-corbyn-a7631306.html

:joker::joker::joker: he was clueless...that's why it was so funny.

[Oliver_W]

No but I read about him and he was a red wing socialist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/citizen-smith-who-tv-sitcom-uk-politics-returns-robert-lindsay-marxist-jeremy-corbyn-a7631306.html

The show basically takes the piss out of characters like Smith, it's a comedy about his sort rather than a sympathetic portrayal.

[user104658]

The show basically takes the piss out of characters like Smith, it's a comedy about his sort rather than a sympathetic portrayal.

Sounds like it was about all "sorts", really, though I haven't seen any of it;

Dad’s reactionary kitchen-table conservatism made him look foolish ... and Wolfie’s idealism was also depicted as foolish.

Sounds quite a lot like this forum, actually :think:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

During the election campaign I met and listened to people in every part of the country.

Struggling single parents, young people held back by lack of opportunity.

Pensioners anxious about health and social care, public servants trying to keep services together.

Low and middle earners, self-employed and employed, facing insecurity and squeezed living standards.

But hopeful that things could change, and that Labour could make a difference.

Many hadn’t voted before, or not for years past.

But they put their faith in our party.

We offered an antidote to apathy and despair.

Let everyone understand - we will not let you down.

Because we listen to you, because we believe in you.

Labour can and will deliver a Britain for the many not just the few.

Corbyn's speech - Snap verdict

That was probably one of the best speeches Jeremy Corbyn given in a lifetime of speechifying, and easily his best as party leader. It was unusually long, even for this gig (75 minutes, according to my count), but it had substance and a few passages of exceptionally good writing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/sep/27/jeremy-corbyn-conference-speech-labour-conference-2017-jeremy-corbyn-to-use-speech-to-say-public-services-and-businesses-must-be-more-accountable-politics-live

During the election campaign I met and listened to people in every part of the country.

Struggling single parents, young people held back by lack of opportunity.

Pensioners anxious about health and social care, public servants trying to keep services together.

Low and middle earners, self-employed and employed, facing insecurity and squeezed living standards.

----------------

SO HE SPOKE TO NO SUCCESSFUL OR HAPPY PEOPLE, EMPLOYERS, THE JOB AND WEALTH CREATORS?

:joker:

[DemolitionRed]

:joker::joker::joker: he was clueless...that's why it was so funny.

Apparently, they are planning a new series. I look forward to it :)

[DemolitionRed]

Sounds like it was about all "sorts", really, though I haven't seen any of it;



Sounds quite a lot like this forum, actually :think:.


:joker:

[Beso]

During the election campaign I met and listened to people in every part of the country.

Struggling single parents, young people held back by lack of opportunity.

Pensioners anxious about health and social care, public servants trying to keep services together.

Low and middle earners, self-employed and employed, facing insecurity and squeezed living standards.

----------------

SO HE SPOKE TO NO SUCCESSFUL OR HAPPY PEOPLE, EMPLOYERS, THE JOB AND WEALTH CREATORS?

:joker:

Spoke to people..what a pile of crap..posted himself letters from his multi...dierdrie from bolton.

[joeysteele]

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

During the election campaign I met and listened to people in every part of the country.

Struggling single parents, young people held back by lack of opportunity.

Pensioners anxious about health and social care, public servants trying to keep services together.

Low and middle earners, self-employed and employed, facing insecurity and squeezed living standards.

But hopeful that things could change, and that Labour could make a difference.

Many hadn’t voted before, or not for years past.

But they put their faith in our party.

We offered an antidote to apathy and despair.

Let everyone understand - we will not let you down.

Because we listen to you, because we believe in you.

Labour can and will deliver a Britain for the many not just the few.

Corbyn's speech - Snap verdict

That was probably one of the best speeches Jeremy Corbyn given in a lifetime of speechifying, and easily his best as party leader. It was unusually long, even for this gig (75 minutes, according to my count), but it had substance and a few passages of exceptionally good writing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/sep/27/jeremy-corbyn-conference-speech-labour-conference-2017-jeremy-corbyn-to-use-speech-to-say-public-services-and-businesses-must-be-more-accountable-politics-live


It's been a good conference and Corbyn's speech was really a sound and at times inspiring one.

I have had my doubts as to him becoming PM in the past and also never expected Labour to make the inroads they did in the June election.

This lot with the DUP now,the poor end deal they are likely to end up with as to brexit.
The main issues as to NHS and Housing getting worse.
The growing number of younger voters year on year, especially those young voters denied an EU vote who missed out aged 16 and 17.

I think Corbyn could gain much more in the next election now and this conference plus his speech,is only likely to now increase his opportunity further.

[smudgie]

Apparently, they are planning a new series. I look forward to it :)

It was a good comedy, all the characters were well written.

[Alf]

It was a good comedy, all the characters were well written.Written by the late great John Sullivan, who also wrote a little sitcom called Only Fools and Horses.

[Alf]

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

During the election campaign I met and listened to people in every part of the country.

Struggling single parents, young people held back by lack of opportunity.

Pensioners anxious about health and social care, public servants trying to keep services together.

Low and middle earners, self-employed and employed, facing insecurity and squeezed living standards.

But hopeful that things could change, and that Labour could make a difference.

Many hadn’t voted before, or not for years past.

But they put their faith in our party.

We offered an antidote to apathy and despair.

Let everyone understand - we will not let you down.

Because we listen to you, because we believe in you.

Labour can and will deliver a Britain for the many not just the few.

Corbyn's speech - Snap verdict

That was probably one of the best speeches Jeremy Corbyn given in a lifetime of speechifying, and easily his best as party leader. It was unusually long, even for this gig (75 minutes, according to my count), but it had substance and a few passages of exceptionally good writing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/sep/27/jeremy-corbyn-conference-speech-labour-conference-2017-jeremy-corbyn-to-use-speech-to-say-public-services-and-businesses-must-be-more-accountable-politics-live
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwgJgRXoAEz0p2.jpg:large

[arista]

Alf you funkster

[Beso]

I'll wait until the trollings died down before I comment seriously I think :idc:

If this isnt baiting i dont know what is, its been reported but still here....guess it pays to be friends with tibbs moderating team......

Funny how i just got a weeks ban for posting something less baiting...but still got a weeks ban for baiting.......


Why mods, why the **** is this happening????

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwgJgRXoAEz0p2.jpg:large

:laugh2:

[jaxie]

:joker::joker::joker: he was clueless...that's why it was so funny.

It was a hilarious show. Surprised we don't see more of the actor these days.

[jaxie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwgJgRXoAEz0p2.jpg:large

:laugh:

[Oliver_W]

It was a hilarious show. Surprised we don't see more of the actor these days.

He was in a pretty famous sitcom for over ten years, My Family only ended a few years back!

He does quite a bit on stage these days.

[Beso]

Just checking.

[DemolitionRed]

So in response to Corbyn, May is about to contrast her ideas about free market innovation.

"A strong and properly regulated free-market economy is the only way to guarantee higher living standards, Theresa May (http://https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/27/theresa-may-to-champion-free-market-in-bank-of-england-speech) will say on Thursday as she contrasts her economic approach with the call for more state control made by Labour at this week’s conference"

My question is, is it possible to have free enterprise if its being closely regulated? Whilst anyone with half an ounce of a brain knows that properly regulated markets are good for the economy, 'free regulated markets' is an oxymoron. It seems May's wants everything that Corbyn's offering but properly regulated markets carries with it, connotations of socialism. This is so unconservative of her.

What a conundrum!

[Cherie]

Just checking.

Change your politics you will never warm the naughty step again

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwgJgRXoAEz0p2.jpg:large

:joker: where do you find them Alf

[smudgie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwgJgRXoAEz0p2.jpg:large

:laugh::laugh: he looks about ready to thump her with that clenched fist.:joker:

[Beso]

Change your politics you will never warm the naughty step again

:ninja2:

[Alf]

Labours lanyard of hate by Melanie Phillips.

http://www.melaniephillips.com/labours-lanyard-hate/

[Oliver_W]

Free market capitalism is better than having the government breathing down business's necks.

[DemolitionRed]

Free market capitalism is better than having the government breathing down business's necks.

You clearly didn't get the contradiction!

As for 'free markets', something May is looking at regulating (and wisely so). When a free market is too relaxed its wide open to monopoly abuse, which is what's been happening here in the UK; Grenfell Tower is a good example. The problem with this is, it creates massive growth for a few and nothing for many. It doesn't deliver to the economy... an economy that desperately needs growth, especially as we go into Brexit.

It seems that the penny has at last dropped for May. If she wants her economy to grow, she knows she has to tighten the reigns.

[DemolitionRed]

Labours lanyard of hate by Melanie Phillips.

http://www.melaniephillips.com/labours-lanyard-hate/

"What they were hanging from their necks was the lanyard of hate. For as Collier observes, these people think that by supporting the Palestinians they are supporting peace; but in fact supporting Palestinianism leads them inexorably to supporting the extermination of Israel."

Wow!! I couldn't read beyond this ^ So if you don't support Israel's exterminating Muslims, it means you must support Hamas extermination of the Jews!?! WTF

The most annoying thing about that blog is, you can't reply.

[Kizzy]

Surprised its not a nazi salute to be honest.

If this isnt baiting i dont know what is, its been reported but still here....guess it pays to be friends with tibbs moderating team......

Funny how i just got a weeks ban for posting something less baiting...but still got a weeks ban for baiting.......


Why mods, why the **** is this happening????

I say it as I see it, some of the comments on the first page were more trolling than serious debate imo.

Nobody is being asked to change their politics, if an ideology is referred to as fascistic there is a backlash even though there is evidence to support the claim... Where is your evidence that Corbyn is s 'nazi'?
Aside from the random pics and laughing smileys there's nothing to gauge opinion of the conference on.

[Beso]

I say it as I see it, some of the comments on the first page were more trolling than serious debate imo.

Nobody is being asked to change their politics, if an ideology is referred to as fascistic there is a backlash even though there is evidence to support the claim... Where is your evidence that Corbyn is s 'nazi'?
Aside from the random pics and laughing smileys there's nothing to gauge opinion of the conference on.



He has a problem with the jews, thats good enough for me to label him a nazi..


Pity you cant take it when someone else says it how they see it...in the way they say it in real life.

[DemolitionRed]

He has a problem with the jews, thats good enough for me to label him a nazi..


Pity you cant take it when someone else says it how they see it...in the way they say it in real life.

Loaded emotional words are always used in propaganda.

As Martin Luther King once said, 'Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Loaded emotional words are always used in propaganda.

As Martin Luther King once said, 'Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance'

Loaded emotional words are always used in propaganda

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance

[Oliver_W]

"What they were hanging from their necks was the lanyard of hate. For as Collier observes, these people think that by supporting the Palestinians they are supporting peace; but in fact supporting Palestinianism leads them inexorably to supporting the extermination of Israel."

Wow!! I couldn't read beyond this ^ So if you don't support Israel's exterminating Muslims, it means you must support Hamas extermination of the Jews!?! WTF

The most annoying thing about that blog is, you can't reply.

How is "Israel exterminating muslims" when as of last year, the UN was concerned (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-12-20/un-warns-of-rapid-palestinian-population-growth) about how Palestine (and particularly Gaza) has population growth too high for it to sustain?

[Beso]

Loaded emotional words are always used in propaganda.

As Martin Luther King once said, 'Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance'

I take it this was before he died from gunshot.

[Oliver_W]

I take it this was before he died from gunshot.

What do you even mean by that?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwgJgRXoAEz0p2.jpg:large

http://evolvepolitics.com/conservative-party-information-officer-caught-circulating-faked-jeremy-corbyn-images-online/

[DemolitionRed]

How is "Israel exterminating muslims" when as of last year, the UN was concerned (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-12-20/un-warns-of-rapid-palestinian-population-growth) about how Palestine (and particularly Gaza) has population growth too high for it to sustain?

You really should read this http://ifamericaknew.org/history/origin.html Its written by an Israeli indigenous Jew.

The Arab land has become smaller and smaller and the UN, the very people who have armed and supported the Zionist invasion, are now worried that the only two specs of land the Arabs still possess is becoming overpopulated.

By the way, nearly all indigenous Jews living in Israel disagree with Zionism.

[Oliver_W]

You really should read this http://ifamericaknew.org/history/origin.html Its written by an Israeli indigenous Jew.

The Arab land has become smaller and smaller and the UN, the very people who have armed and supported the Zionist invasion, are now worried that the only two specs of land the Arabs still possess is becoming overpopulated.

By the way, nearly all indigenous Jews living in Israel disagree with Zionism.

Interesting but what does that 16 year old article have to do with the fact that Israel isn't "exterminating muslims"?

[DemolitionRed]

Interesting but what does that 16 year old article have to do with the fact that Israel isn't "exterminating muslims"?

16 years old?!? This is history that goes back over a thousand years and whilst it may not include a mass killing of Arabs by ariel bombings, it at least gives us... or at least it should, an understanding of how the Arab people of Palestine have suffered in the hands of Zionism.

[Oliver_W]

16 years old?!? This is history that goes back over a thousand years and whilst it may not include a mass killing of Arabs by ariel bombings, it at least gives us... or at least it should, an understanding of how the Arab people of Palestine have suffered in the hands of Zionism.

It was written in 2001. And it STILL has nothing to do with the price of fish.

[Beso]

What do you even mean by that?

Words mean **** all really.

[Kizzy]

He has a problem with the jews, thats good enough for me to label him a nazi..


Pity you cant take it when someone else says it how they see it...in the way they say it in real life.

What is your evidence to back up that statement?

[Beso]

What is your evidence to back up that statement?

Just my opinion..we are allowed them.....for now.

[DemolitionRed]

Just my opinion..we are allowed them.....for now.

Its better to be informed than just opinionated.

[Beso]

Its better to be informed than just opinionated.


You can polish a **** but its still a ****.:shrug:

[Kizzy]

Just my opinion..we are allowed them.....for now.

So basically it's just your opinion he has a problem with the Jewish and you have no other basis for your accusation that he is a nazi?

Forgive me for never taking you or anything you say seriously again. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but be aware that when you admit it comes from a place of pure ignorance, like you just have, it doesn't inspire anyone to engage with you.

[Beso]

So basically it's just your opinion he has a problem with the Jewish and you have no other basis for your accusation that he is a nazi?

Forgive me for never taking you or anything you say seriously again. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but be aware that when you admit it comes from a place of pure ignorance, like you just have, it doesn't inspire anyone to engage with you.

Thank you for speaking for everyone again in your own head...plenty ****ing room.

[Kizzy]

Thank you for speaking for everyone again in your own head...plenty ****ing room.

Speaking for myself only, like you I have an opinion.

[jaxie]

Corbyn is like that weed in the garden you just can't seem to get rid of. All the adoration of him comes across as really weird and creepy. They even sing a little song about him now at the conference and he has a Toby jug. Catching some of it on TV was like stepping into the twilight zone. All I can say is Labour has some pretty slick marketing to make Bill and Ben's playmate so adored by his fan club.

[DemolitionRed]

Corbyn is like that weed in the garden you just can't seem to get rid of. All the adoration of him comes across as really weird and creepy. They even sing a little song about him now at the conference and he has a Toby jug. Catching some of it on TV was like stepping into the twilight zone. All I can say is Labour has some pretty slick marketing to make Bill and Ben's playmate so adored by his fan club.

So on a serious note, do you think our economy needs a hefty dose of restoration and if so how? Any ideas gratefully received.

[Beso]

Speaking for myself only, like you I have an opinion.

Perhaps stop using the word "anyone" and start using the word "I"

It helps with me being confused.

[Kizzy]

So basically it's just your opinion he has a problem with the Jewish and you have no other basis for your accusation that he is a nazi?

Forgive me for never taking you or anything you say seriously again. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but be aware that when you admit it comes from a place of pure ignorance, like you just have, it doesn't inspire anyone to engage with you.

Perhaps stop using the word "anyone" and start using the word "I"

It helps with me being confused.

Does this help?

[Brother Leon]

How is "Israel exterminating muslims" when as of last year, the UN was concerned (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-12-20/un-warns-of-rapid-palestinian-population-growth) about how Palestine (and particularly Gaza) has population growth too high for it to sustain?

Is this a serious question? Israel has a rich history of Muslim massacres. Go and ask Palestinians or Lebanese for first hand witness accounts if you wish. If Hezbollah didn't send the IDF back to Israel in tears back in 06 then their murder and invasion of land would still be an even bigger issue right now.


God forbid we call them out on it ever though...

[jaxie]

So on a serious note, do you think our economy needs a hefty dose of restoration and if so how? Any ideas gratefully received.

Not having a government that overspends, promises the earth and can't deliver any time soon would help. Perhaps we could use some of our savings in EU fees to pay off some of our debts.

How are you and Jezza going to save the UK?

[Kizzy]

Not having a government that overspends, promises the earth and can't deliver any time soon would help. Perhaps we could use some of our savings in EU fees to pay off some of our debts.

How are you and Jezza going to save the UK?

:joker::joker::joker:

Re nationalisation I would say would be a start.

[DemolitionRed]

Not having a government that overspends, So not the Conservatives then as they've spent more money than Labour ever did.


promises the earth and can't deliver any time soon would help.


You must be worried then because Tory economics are turning more and more towards Labours fiscal ideas.

Perhaps we could use some of our savings in EU fees to pay off some of our debts.

Do you have any understanding how government debt works? obviously not or you wouldn't have written that last sentence.

How are you and Jezza going to save the UK?

By understanding how fiscal economics work for and against an economy, but I wouldn't want that task at this moment in time because the country is economically in a bubble that could burst anytime soon. Its not a case of will we crash, its a case of when will we crash.

[Beso]

Does this help?

Bottom of the quote..you say anyone
....stop talking for others....pain in the bloody neck so it is.

[jaxie]

So not the Conservatives then as they've spent more money than Labour ever did.



You must be worried then because Tory economics are turning more and more towards Labours fiscal ideas.



Do you have any understanding how government debt works? obviously not or you wouldn't have written that last sentence.



By understanding how fiscal economics work for and against an economy, but I wouldn't want that task at this moment in time because the country is economically in a bubble that could burst anytime soon. Its not a case of will we crash, its a case of when will we crash.

When have I ever claimed to be a Tory supporter? :shrug:

[user104658]

When have I ever claimed to be a Tory supporter? :shrug:

I've seen you supporting the Tories in loads of threads.

[jaxie]

I've seen you supporting the Tories in loads of threads.

I can't help your mistaken perception or wishful thinking. :shrug:

[Vicky.]

Corbyn is like that weed in the garden you just can't seem to get rid of. All the adoration of him comes across as really weird and creepy. They even sing a little song about him now at the conference and he has a Toby jug. Catching some of it on TV was like stepping into the twilight zone. All I can say is Labour has some pretty slick marketing to make Bill and Ben's playmate so adored by his fan club.
Se I don't really get this. Supporting him is not 'adoration'. Yes some do go too far, as do many May supporters...but generally no. Yet anyone who supports/votes for Corbyn is written off as a 'Corbynista' and accused of OTT adoration and such.

When have I ever claimed to be a Tory supporter? :shrug:

Why are people ashamed to admit they vote (or support) Tory? Never understood that. Its a bit odd to constantly defend the Tories, then claim to not support the Tories :laugh: Sooo many people do this so its not necessarily aimed at you but I find it really weird how so many clear Tory supporters claim not to support them...

[Brother Leon]

Se I don't really get this. Supporting him is not 'adoration'. Yes some do go too far, as do many May supporters...but generally no. Yet anyone who supports/votes for Corbyn is written off as a 'Corbynista' and accused of OTT adoration and such.



It comes from people who are just mad that young people have found an interest in politics again due to someone they don't agree with and that they may not have it all their own way now..

[jaxie]

Se I don't really get this. Supporting him is not 'adoration'. Yes some do go too far, as do many May supporters...but generally no. Yet anyone who supports/votes for Corbyn is written off as a 'Corbynista' and accused of OTT adoration and such.



Why are people ashamed to admit they vote (or support) Tory? Never understood that. Its a bit odd to constantly defend the Tories, then claim to not support the Tories :laugh: Sooo many people do this so its not necessarily aimed at you but I find it really weird how so many clear Tory supporters claim not to support them...

If I supported them I wouldn't mind admitting it. As I've said before I don't really support either of the main parties I'm somewhere in the middle politically, probably more of a socialist if anything but I don't want to go back to the socialism of the 70s and 80s. I try to be fair though. There has to be a balance and both parties have their place because every democracy must have an opposition or it becomes a dictatorship. I find politics on the whole interesting.

I like Hilary Benn though we don't agree on the EU. I don't like Jeremy Corbyn and the way they were worshipping him in song at the labour party conference was very creepy. I can't stand Diane Abbot. May is not a good leader. I didn't want her when Cameron went, then she gave a few good speeches then it went to hell in a handcart.

I like Reese Mogg on Europe and he is fairly honest about who he is but beyond that he (and nanny) seem out of step with the times and his religion doesn't help my opinion, though if we can have a Muslim mayor then I don't think it's fair to hold what he bends a knee to in private against him. If people's beliefs are out in politics then it has to be a fair playing field. You can't hate on Reese Mogg because his beliefs are uncomfortable with homosexuality and then ignore a mayor who also has beliefs that are uncomfortable with it. Most established religions are anti homosexuality.

I don't mind Boris and I think he is often unfairly misquoted though obviously he is a Tory and so you get everything that comes with that side of politics.

So there you go though no one will likely read this beyond my liking Reese Mogg on Europe and will keep on saying I'm a Tory. :shrug: I don't really care except that it's a bit disappointing that people don't really read your words and make assumptions based on their own prejudice.

[DemolitionRed]

When have I ever claimed to be a Tory supporter? :shrug:

You clearly stuck in some political right wing closet because you always align your support with right-wing members and you're the first to jump in and mock (in a very insulting way) people who align themselves with Corbyn.

[Brillopad]

Corbyn's peculiar achievement has been to make the Labour core even more middle class than it was under Blair. Somehow a party founded to represent the working classes is now a party of the bitter bourgeoisie. The conference won't even discuss Brexit, the thing their working-class voters want most. Because they don't really care what working-class voters want. It's the hip, urban, well-off youths who think they're Marxists but behave like Stalinists that Labour now courts. Truth hurts!

Bredan O'Neill

Point on. Blair number 2.

[Brillopad]

You clearly stuck in some political right wing closet because you always align your support with right-wing members and you're the first to jump in and mock (in a very insulting way) people who align themselves with Corbyn.

She is an honest poster in my opinion. She agrees/disagrees with whatever it happens to be regardless of politics. That is the way it should be.

[Brillopad]

So basically it's just your opinion he has a problem with the Jewish and you have no other basis for your accusation that he is a nazi?

Forgive me for never taking you or anything you say seriously again. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but be aware that when you admit it comes from a place of pure ignorance, like you just have, it doesn't inspire anyone to engage with you.

He is doing little to nothing to stamp out anti-Semitism in his party and that is very telling.

[jaxie]

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;9647205]You clearly stuck in some political right wing closet because you always align your support with right-wing members and you're the first to jump in and mock (in a very insulting way) people who align themselves with Corbyn.[/QUOTE

I don't view people as right or left wing on the whole. I 'align' with members who treat me with courtesy. I don't tend to gravitate to those constantly on the attack. But do feel free to judge me. I bet if you go back you can't find any insulting, mocking words from me about other members in context and where they haven't attacked me first. Feel free to try.

[Vicky.]

If I supported them I wouldn't mind admitting it. As I've said before I don't really support either of the main parties I'm somewhere in the middle politically, probably more of a socialist if anything but I don't want to go back to the socialism of the 70s and 80s. I try to be fair though. There has to be a balance and both parties have their place because every democracy must have an opposition or it becomes a dictatorship. I find politics on the whole interesting.

I like Hilary Benn though we don't agree on the EU. I don't like Jeremy Corbyn and the way they were worshipping him in song at the labour party conference was very creepy. I can't stand Diane Abbot. May is not a good leader. I didn't want her when Cameron went, then she gave a few good speeches then it went to hell in a handcart.

I like Reese Mogg on Europe and he is fairly honest about who he is but beyond that he (and nanny) seem out of step with the times and his religion doesn't help my opinion, though if we can have a Muslim mayor then I don't think it's fair to hold what he bends a knee to in private against him. If people's beliefs are out in politics then it has to be a fair playing field. You can't hate on Reese Mogg because his beliefs are uncomfortable with homosexuality and then ignore a mayor who also has beliefs that are uncomfortable with it. Most established religions are anti homosexuality.

I don't mind Boris and I think he is often unfairly misquoted though obviously he is a Tory and so you get everything that comes with that side of politics.

So there you go though no one will likely read this beyond my liking Reese Mogg on Europe and will keep on saying I'm a Tory. :shrug: I don't really care except that it's a bit disappointing that people don't really read your words and make assumptions based on their own prejudice.
These I definitely agree with.

Can't stand Rees-Mogg personally. His dinosaur views annoy me so much.

I actually thought Cameron was a decent leader, despite disagreeing with most Tory policies. Was not impressed when he basically ran away after the EU vote. May is weak, and a terrible leader.

Corbyn I kind of flip flop on but he is the best choice (for me anyway) at the moment. A lot of his views are a bit ridiculous though. One example being...this female only carriages on trains idea. But at the same time, he reckons 'self identification' should go ahead. So basically..we need female only carriages on trains to keep females safe BUT males can 'self identify' their way into these female only carriages. Totally mental. I was on a mumsnet webchat with him a few months back and he was ridiculous. Avoided many many questions about people fear of womens rights being eroded and instead chose to answer stupid questions about what his favourite biscuit was and so on.

[Brillopad]

These I definitely agree with.

Can't stand Rees-Mogg personally. His dinosaur views annoy me so much.

I actually thought Cameron was a decent leader, despite disagreeing with most Tory policies. Was not impressed when he basically ran away after the EU vote. May is weak, and a terrible leader.

Corbyn I kind of flip flop on but he is the best choice (for me anyway) at the moment. A lot of his views are a bit ridiculous though. One example being...this female only carriages on trains idea. But at the same time, he reckons 'self identification' should go ahead. So basically..we need female only carriages on trains to keep females safe BUT males can 'self identify' their way into these female only carriages. Totally mental. I was on a mumsnet webchat with him a few months back and he was ridiculous. Avoided many many questions about people fear of womens rights being eroded and instead chose to answer stupid questions about what his favourite biscuit was and so on.

Sounds about right. Every bit the 'avoider' as May when it suits.

[jaxie]

These I definitely agree with.

Can't stand Rees-Mogg personally. His dinosaur views annoy me so much.

I actually thought Cameron was a decent leader, despite disagreeing with most Tory policies. Was not impressed when he basically ran away after the EU vote. May is weak, and a terrible leader.

Corbyn I kind of flip flop on but he is the best choice (for me anyway) at the moment. A lot of his views are a bit ridiculous though. One example being...this female only carriages on trains idea. But at the same time, he reckons 'self identification' should go ahead. So basically..we need female only carriages on trains to keep females safe BUT males can 'self identify' their way into these female only carriages. Totally mental. I was on a mumsnet webchat with him a few months back and he was ridiculous. Avoided many many questions about people fear of womens rights being eroded and instead chose to answer stupid questions about what his favourite biscuit was and so on.

I completely agree on Cameron and May. If you read what I said on Reese Mogg we more or less agree on his views. I also think Corbyn is ridiculous. What I want is something better and I'm not going to get on board the Corbyn train just because that is the anti Tory view.

Oh and I don't believe in Satan but Thatcher came close.

[DemolitionRed]

She is an honest poster in my opinion. She agrees/disagrees with whatever it happens to be regardless of politics. That is the way it should be.

You two are stuck together like birds of a feather. That's not an insult, its just how it is. I could take bets on who sticks with who on here including myself. I think like a handful of posters on here and so, of course, I'm going to agree and support what 'we' believe in.

And believe me, its all political.

[Vicky.]

Sounds about right. Every bit the 'avoider' as May when it suits.

If you have a few hours, here is the attempt

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/2733415-Heads-up-webchat-with-Jeremy-Corbyn-Monday-19th-Sept-2pm?pg=3

Ignored every question about womens rights, and a lot of other important questions in favour of 'fluffy' questions...and even the ones he did 'answer' he didn't really answer. It certainly made my support waver a bit the way he refused to acknowledge one of the biggest threats to womens rights there has been for a LONG time.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/09/6-brilliant-questions-jeremy-corbyn-managed-avoid-mumsnet

Corbyn has promised a majority women cabinet, but Mumsnet users want to know exactly what he means by women in the first place. He was asked about transgender identity and all-women shortlists, with Hellochicken wanting to know:

Will you commit to keeping women as a biological sex class, as currently recognised by the Equality Act 2010?

[Brillopad]

You two are stuck together like birds of a feather. That's not an insult, its just how it is. I could take bets on who sticks with who on here including myself. I think like a handful of posters on here and so, of course, I'm going to agree and support what 'we' believe in.

And believe me, its all political.

Are you kidding. It is hardly difficult to predict what posters will stick with you on here. Pot and kettle.

[jaxie]

She is an honest poster in my opinion. She agrees/disagrees with whatever it happens to be regardless of politics. That is the way it should be.

Thanks Brillo.

[jaxie]

You two are stuck together like birds of a feather. That's not an insult, its just how it is. I could take bets on who sticks with who on here including myself. I think like a handful of posters on here and so, of course, I'm going to agree and support what 'we' believe in.

And believe me, its all political.

Look at who is on the attack and making accusations. It isn't me.

[DemolitionRed]

Right now, the only thing that really worries me is our failing economy. My husband told me off when I cheered May for suggesting she'd adopt some Corbynomics (she didn't admit it was Labours ideas) and I said to him, I don't care who the fk it is that gets us out of this mess, so long as someone does.

[Brillopad]

Thanks Brillo.

You better watch it Jaxie, you may well get called 'right-wing' for 'associating' with a 'right-wing' poster.

I have so-called 'right wing' views on some things and not on others. That does not a 'nazi' make despite such drivel on here stating otherwise. Some people really don't seem to understand the difference between right-wing and ALT right-wing.

When will people learn that to overuse a word waters down its meaning and undermines the horrors of Nazi Germany in the Second World war. That is something I find pretty damn sad.

[Vicky.]

You better watch it Jaxie, you may well get called 'right-wing' for 'associating' with a 'right-wing' poster.

I have so-called 'right wing' views on some things and not on others. That does not a 'nazi' make despite such drivel on here stating otherwise. Some people really don't seem to understand the difference between right-wing and ALT right-wing.

When will people learn that to overuse a word waters down its meaning and undermines the horrors of Nazi Germany in the Second World war. That is something I find pretty damn sad.

Well yes. On this very thread we have had people called 'nazis' for....nothing really. It does water down the horrors, you are correct.

[DemolitionRed]

Look at who is on the attack and making accusations. It isn't me.

So you didn't say this? Corbyn is like that weed in the garden you just can't seem to get rid of. All the adoration of him comes across as really weird and creepy. They even sing a little song about him now at the conference and he has a Toby jug. Catching some of it on TV was like stepping into the twilight zone. All I can say is Labour has some pretty slick marketing to make Bill and Ben's playmate so adored by his fan club.

I took that as all of us who support Corbyn are weird and creepy. You just said it in a roundabout way because you are not allowed to directly offend members. Did I find those words insulting? you bet I did but because of the clever way it was worded, you, as always, get away with it.

[jaxie]

So you didn't say this?

I took that as all of us who support Corbyn are weird and creepy. You just said it in a roundabout way because you are not allowed to directly offend members. Did I find those words insulting? you bet I did but because of the clever way it was worded, you, as always, get away with it.

I'm going to address this and being honest with you I'm not going to respond to you further on this thread because I think you are looking for an argument and I don't wish to participate.

1. That was a statement of fact. I wasn't on the attack. If you see mocking or insult in that sentence then I can't help that.

2. I was clearly talking about the conference, that is not talking about forum members. I can honestly say I've never heard you singing 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' on here or mentioning your toby jug purchase. :shrug:

You have to realise that how you take something is about you, not necessarily about the intent of someone else.