View Full Version : Chinese tourists is driven to Grenfell Tower to take photos
Crimson Dynamo
29-09-2017, 11:55 AM
Chinese tour guide brought bus of tourists to Grenfell Tower to take pictures
The unauthorised visit saw tourists dropped off near to the charred tower
When confronted, coach driver claimed tourists were health and safety experts
Tour guide has been sent home to China while the driver has been suspended
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4932518/Chinese-guide-sent-home-taking-tourists-Grenfell.html
Not sure how this is any different from a newspaper article (like this one). Newspapers take pics to show their readers and make money from them, the tourist took pics to show friends and I would probs take a pic if I was passing.
How do you feel about it?
Tom4784
29-09-2017, 12:34 PM
It's utterly vile.
The media should take pictures to help inform people and keep it fresh and relevant on the minds of the public. The only people that benefit from turning it into a tourist attraction are the tour companies like this one.
Imagine having what is essentially the tomb of someone you love become a place where people take selfies with. It's exploitative and disgusting.
Crimson Dynamo
29-09-2017, 12:39 PM
It's utterly vile.
The media should take pictures to help inform people and keep it fresh and relevant on the minds of the public. The only people that benefit from turning it into a tourist attraction are the tour companies like this one.
Imagine having what is essentially the tomb of someone you love become a place where people take selfies with. It's exploitative and disgusting.
The hole where the Twin Towers was is a massive tourist site and the Titanic thing in Belfast was voted the best tourist attraction in Europe
Oliver_W
29-09-2017, 12:40 PM
If people are interested in that sort of thing, and someone is enterprising enough to get money from said people, good luck to 'em.
Cherie
29-09-2017, 12:45 PM
The hole where the Twin Towers was is a massive tourist site and the Titanic thing in Belfast was voted the best tourist attraction in Europe
That's a good point, we went to the Twin Towers museum and I have to said I was a bit uncomfortable by the end of it, not sure how the families feel, a memorial is one thing but a museum you pay to get into, to see film footage of the planes flying into the towers and iron girders, I was sorry I went. The little church that survived intact is a much better place to visit, it feels serene and fitting.
I think it is was a bit stupid to take the tourists, not sure why anyone would need a personal pic when its all over the net
Cherie
29-09-2017, 12:45 PM
If people are interested in that sort of thing, and someone is enterprising enough to get money from said people, good luck to 'em.
would you be saying the same if you have family members who perished mere months ago?
Tom4784
29-09-2017, 12:48 PM
The hole where the Twin Towers was is a massive tourist site and the Titanic thing in Belfast was voted the best tourist attraction in Europe
The Twin Towers becoming a toursit attraction is vile too and shouldn't be justification for Grenfell becoming one only months after hundreds of people lost their lives.
Titanic is a bit different since over a hundred years have passed now and any survivors are likely dead at this point so it's not likely to offend anyone who had experienced it or lost someone they knew personally in the tragedy.
Northern Monkey
29-09-2017, 12:49 PM
Whatever happens now,Grenfell happened.Nothing can change that.It was a tragic and horrifying event.However if people are interested and want to see it I don’t see a problem.If anything it serves as a reminder for people in regards to health and safety measures.To always check where you’re living is as safe as it can be.
Oliver_W
29-09-2017, 01:45 PM
would you be saying the same if you have family members who perished mere months ago?
Probably. Labour have been sperging on about how it "represents a broken system", and the media have been on about it ever since as well, so why should some selfie-seekers get a good snap before its remains are pulled down?
Kizzy
29-09-2017, 01:55 PM
If people are interested in that sort of thing, and someone is enterprising enough to get money from said people, good luck to 'em.
This is a perfect metaphor for capitalism isn't it?... It matters not how many people were exploited, suffered or died. Someone somewhere is making money, therefore it's justifiable.
Oliver_W
29-09-2017, 01:56 PM
This is a perfect metaphor for capitalism isn't it?... It matters not how many people were exploited, suffered or died. Someone somewhere is making money, therefore it's justifiable.
No-one's being exploited, suffering, or dying from selfies being taken.
The Coliseum in Rome, one of the words biggest tourist attractions, Pompei, the pyramids in egypt. Death sites are the most popular tourist attractions. People flocked to Lockerbie as I recall too. Can't say it floats my boat, but people do seem to be inherently morbid
Crimson Dynamo
29-09-2017, 02:32 PM
The Coliseum in Rome, one of the words biggest tourist attractions, Pompei, the pyramids in egypt. Death sites are the most popular tourist attractions. People flocked to Lockerbie as I recall too. Can't say it floats my boat, but people do seem to be inherently morbid
most of the young people on tibb love watching people die gruesome deaths in films and all will dress up as death and destruction come halloween
Snap away I say.
Sod the killjoys
Eddie.
29-09-2017, 02:39 PM
personally, I think it's wrong, seriously, many people lost their lives there! I know, they're tourists, but seriously, sometimes people need to know that there are some boundaries. Who in the right heart would actually do that! These things make me really worry for the human race...
personally, I think it's wrong, seriously, many people lost their lives there! I know, they're tourists, but seriously, sometimes people need to know that there are some boundaries. Who in the right heart would actually do that! These things make me really worry for the human race...Taking photos makes you worry for the human race?
http://www.ofah.net/images/The-Bus.jpg
Eddie.
29-09-2017, 02:46 PM
Taking photos in front of sites where people died is what I'm worried for.
Taking photos with completely no harm are perfectly normal...maybe you misunderstood my opinion...
Oliver_W
29-09-2017, 02:51 PM
Taking photos in front of sites where people died is what I'm worried for.
Taking photos with completely no harm are perfectly normal...maybe you misunderstood my opinion...
So if you went to the Coliseum or Pompeii, I'm guessing you wouldn't take any photos?
Taking photos in front of sites where people died is what I'm worried for.
Taking photos with completely no harm are perfectly normal...maybe you misunderstood my opinion...I didn't misunderstand it, I just thought it was a bit over the top.
DemolitionRed
29-09-2017, 03:42 PM
Residents have put signs up asking them to stop. Respect should be shown to those who are still suffering.
I've been to the twin towers memorial but it was a memorial and not the remains of a building that killed so many. Grenfell Tower is not a memorial, its an undemolished tomb of the tragedy that is still raw in peoples minds.
Crimson Dynamo
29-09-2017, 03:50 PM
Residents have put signs up asking them to stop. Respect should be shown to those who are still suffering.
I've been to the twin towers memorial but it was a memorial and not the remains of a building that killed so many. Grenfell Tower is not a memorial, its an undemolished tomb of the tragedy that is still raw in peoples minds.
Well there is one hastily prepared sign but no one would know who wrote it and they have no authority to tell anyone anything to be fair
I have 4 photos of grenfell on my phone..can i upload them on here?
DemolitionRed
29-09-2017, 04:40 PM
Well there is one hastily prepared sign but no one would know who wrote it and they have no authority to tell anyone anything to be fair
Try YouTube. I think you will find a lot more than one.
DemolitionRed
29-09-2017, 04:40 PM
I have 4 photos of grenfell on my phone..can i upload them on here?
Why?
Crimson Dynamo
29-09-2017, 04:42 PM
Try YouTube. I think you will find a lot more than one.
what search youtube for hastily made grenfell signs?:shrug:
Tom4784
29-09-2017, 05:13 PM
The Coliseum in Rome, one of the words biggest tourist attractions, Pompei, the pyramids in egypt. Death sites are the most popular tourist attractions. People flocked to Lockerbie as I recall too. Can't say it floats my boat, but people do seem to be inherently morbid
The difference being that anyone affected by the Coliseum etc are long dead. People making money from a tragedy that only happened a few months ago is gross.
most of the young people on tibb love watching people die gruesome deaths in films and all will dress up as death and destruction come halloween
There's a difference between fiction and reality, I'll assume I don't need to explain that difference.
Crimson Dynamo
29-09-2017, 05:15 PM
The difference being that anyone affected by the Coliseum etc are long dead. People making money from a tragedy that only happened a few months ago is gross.
There's a difference between fiction and reality, I'll assume I don't need to explain that difference.
Every media agency in the UK made big money from Grenfell including freelance reporters and camera men and women and photographers
It was quite the bonaza
Tom4784
29-09-2017, 05:23 PM
Every media agency in the UK made big money from Grenfell including freelance reporters and camera men and women and photographers
It was quite the bonaza
But the coverage served a point, there is power in the media.
There is nothing to be gained from turning it into a tourist trap so that vile opportunistic bastards can make some coins from it for the benefit of no one but themselves.
Withano
29-09-2017, 05:31 PM
I have more of a problem with a bus driving people there than I do with people taking a photo of it in general.
Tens of thousands or more probably have a photo of that building in their camera roll right now. I bet a handful of locals took a photo of it today alone... if these tourists are a problem, then they're one of many, and certainly not the biggest one.
Why?
Was going past it in a van.
DemolitionRed
29-09-2017, 07:08 PM
Was going past it in a van.
I mean why would you want to post it on here?
Marsh.
29-09-2017, 07:58 PM
I don't see why people would want a picture but random people take random pictures every single day.
However, a company making money out of driving people there purposely to take pictures of a burned out building is bloody weird at best and vile at worst.
And I can't believe people are comparing it to the pyramids of Egypt or the Colosseum etc.
Those are steeped in human history and those personally affected are no longer with us so they become museums, with a point to them (yes, including profit making for various organisations) but also educate brand new generations of people.
Here, they're just taking pictures of a burned out building where people's loved ones died only a matter of weeks ago.
UserSince2005
29-09-2017, 08:04 PM
OMG good idea, i was looking for something to do sunday afternoon. my insta will be buzzing
I mean why would you want to post it on here?
Its a good pic, taken on a clear day from a moving van. Its in perfect focus and really brings out the sheer horror of it all. People shouldnt just forget this happened, pictures are a good way of remembering things.
Anyway, i dont think there is an option to post pics direct from my phone on here.
Brother Leon
29-09-2017, 09:30 PM
Reminds me of how many people gathered around the area and building just to take pictures for their Insta and Snapchat, while others were pushing trollies of stuff to donate and were way too busy to even check their phones.
Morgan.
29-09-2017, 09:37 PM
But in all seriousness, it's honestly sick (in a bad way) that they're using Grenfell as a tourist attraction when it brought so much heartache to the people living there </3
(Also I cant help but notice that the title should be written 'Chinese tourists are driven, not Chinese tourists is driven :/ )
Marsh.
29-09-2017, 09:39 PM
Its a good pic, taken on a clear day from a moving van. Its in perfect focus and really brings out the sheer horror of it all. People shouldnt just forget this happened, pictures are a good way of remembering things.
Anyway, i dont think there is an option to post pics direct from my phone on here.
And you took a picture purely for the purpose of remembering what happened and why?
And you took a picture purely for the purpose of remembering what happened and why?
I took the picture to show my mum when i went up to visit her in scotland as she had been going on about it for ages...this was about a month after it happened..i was on the a40 or something.
I was only suggesting posting it on here so people would remember the horror of it all, not for my own goulish pleasure.
If it was to pay respects or for people intersted in history, like the memorials of 9/11, the collaseum, etc it would be different but going there to take fun selfies and treat it like a playground is wrong and it’s definitely too soon for this stuff...
That being said, many tourists are foolish
When I went to the Berlin holocaust memorial there was people jumping from block to block as if it was a damn parkour attraction
thesheriff443
30-09-2017, 07:06 AM
Its nothing new, its not against the law, film footage will be around forever regardless of the families feelings.
Does it bother me?, No
Will tibbs opinion of me bother me?, No
Will innocent people needlessly die?,Yes
Will the human race ever change?,No
I personally found it far more offensive when the likes of Sky news were rifling through the personal belongings of people that had been shot down in the passenger jet in the Ukraine. That is sick.
If the tourists don't act respectfully around the scene of a disaster, then they will get what's coming to them. Londoners are not likely to stand idly by and let it continue.
RichardG
30-09-2017, 07:31 AM
People are always going to be interested in seeing things like this. Whether it's 'right' or 'wrong' doesn't really matter, humans are still humans.
Kizzy
30-09-2017, 03:50 PM
But the coverage served a point, there is power in the media.
There is nothing to be gained from turning it into a tourist trap so that vile opportunistic bastards can make some coins from it for the benefit of no one but themselves.
This was my point entirely, it is exploiting the very avoidable tragedy. Yet again the 'enterprising' operators are exonerated as it was for the reason they all died in the first place! Filthy lucre.
Marsh.
30-09-2017, 04:01 PM
People are always going to be interested in seeing things like this. Whether it's 'right' or 'wrong' doesn't really matter, humans are still humans.
Really? Coach trips to visit burned out buildings?
I can well imagine people who happen to pass such a site being interested but actually paying and intentionally going out of your way to travel there for the purposes of a burned out building is a bit weird for me.
armand.kay
30-09-2017, 04:06 PM
I really don't see anything wrong with taking pictures tbh but I can see how the tour guide making money off this is wrong.
Crimson Dynamo
30-09-2017, 04:07 PM
Really? Coach trips to visit burned out buildings?
I can well imagine people who happen to pass such a site being interested but actually paying and intentionally going out of your way to travel there for the purposes of a burned out building is a bit weird for me.
people pay good money to go on ghost tours when they know that ghosts are fictional and they wont see of hear one
now that is weird
Marsh.
30-09-2017, 04:18 PM
people pay good money to go on ghost tours when they know that ghosts are fictional and they wont see of hear one
now that is weird
And I need to get milk on my way home but that's not relevant to what I said either. :hee:
Really? Coach trips to visit burned out buildings?
I can well imagine people who happen to pass such a site being interested but actually paying and intentionally going out of your way to travel there for the purposes of a burned out building is a bit weird for me.
Spot on.
Withano
30-09-2017, 05:10 PM
And I need to get milk on my way home but that's not relevant to what I said either. :hee:
:joker:
Shaun
30-09-2017, 05:12 PM
I have to admit I don't really find a strong moral objection... it is quite a grim spectacle and something I've taken care to notice every time I've driven through London this year.
Of course, making it a 'tourist stop' is a bit much, though
jaxie
30-09-2017, 10:55 PM
One of the most moving photos I've seen of the twin towers memorial site was a picture of a single rose, the short stem had been pushed into the carved letter of a name of a loved one lost. It was a sad, beautiful, poignant image that made me cry. I didn't feel that the photo was wrong or harmed anyone.
I am of two minds as it seems a bit raw to have bus loads of tourists at these sites and yet a moving image tells the future about what happened.
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