Ted heath the paedophile.

[Beso]

Dirty scumbag, another one saved by his own death. Great timing.

Should he somehow be stripped of his former post?

[Toy Soldier]

Tip of the iceberg, let's be honest.

But yes, while we can't somehow pretend he was never Prime Minister, he should be stripped of honourary positions as Savile has been. Although, like Savile's, I believe his KG / MBE should remain in place to remind us just how much of an absolute joke / shambles the whole thing is. No whitewashing history, no saying "nothing to do with us!", people high up in these "Great British" institutions knew fine well what people like this were up to behind closed doors and they chose to honour and award them anyway. That should be remembered.

[bots]

there is no actual evidence against him though is there, other than the word of a couple of people. He may well have been a paedo, i have no idea. Seems to me he is an easy target now that he is dead and has no means to defend himself.

There was (maybe still is) some very dodgy goings on and it should be uncovered if at all possible, but I prefer to treat people as innocent until proven guilty or in the case of the deceased, compelling evidence proving the case beyond doubt.

[Toy Soldier]

there is no actual evidence against him though is there, other than the word of a couple of people. He may well have been a paedo, i have no idea. Seems to me he is an easy target now that he is dead and has no means to defend himself.

There was (maybe still is) some very dodgy goings on and it should be uncovered if at all possible, but I prefer to treat people as innocent until proven guilty or in the case of the deceased, compelling evidence proving the case beyond doubt.

It's good to be an optimist. Hold onto that.

[bots]

It's good to be an optimist. Hold onto that.

I'm not being an optimist, just not part of a lynch mob

[Crimson Dynamo]

No evidence I am afraid

nothing proven

[Toy Soldier]

I'm not being an optimist, just not part of a lynch mob

There's a pretty big gulf between believing he probably did it, and being part of a "lynch mob". When horrible accusations are made, truth is, there's probably truth to them, because the world is a deeply unpleasant place. Like I said above; tip of the iceberg. You prefer to assume innocence until guilt is proven. On a personal level, I would call that optimism, and it is a good thing to have. I fully agree from a legal standpoint, of course, there should be no legal presumption of guilt until such is proven, and no legal action should come unless guilt is proven. That doesn't mean that there isn't truth in it, though, or that there isn't a high likelihood of it being true.

That goes for several of the "not enough evidence" cleared historical accusations tbqfh... most of them probably did do something illegal. Proving it after decades is nearly impossible, of course, the only reason it was proven so conclusively with Savile was because the scope of his abuse was so massive.

[Toy Soldier]

No evidence I am afraid

nothing proven

Again; so what? Utterly meaningless statement. This isn't a courtroom.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Again; so what? Utterly meaningless statement. This isn't a courtroom.

well to brand the man a paedo based on mere accusation is beyond ridiculous

[joeysteele]

There are issues they say that would warrant him being interviewed under caution.
However that no way proves guilt,many people are interviewed like that with no resulting charges.

I'm sorry but I have many doubts on these extensive large numbers of claims that have surfaced since the possible compensation culture arrived.

I actually think the Police have handled this less than well or appropriately at times too.
He is no longer here to state his case and facts which for all anyone knows,he could blow these allegations out the water if he was here.

[Toy Soldier]

well to brand the man a paedo based on mere accusation is beyond ridiculous

Yes LT there has never actually been anything shady or any corruption at all in politics. Squeaky clean, in fact, and any and all accusations are boulderdash and hogwash. That seems likely. What a real and accurate vision of the world.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes LT there has never actually been anything shady or any corruption at all in politics. Squeaky clean, in fact, and any and all accusations are boulderdash and hogwash. That seems likely. What a real and accurate vision of the world.

I am afraid that is not how the law works in the UK

[smudgie]

There are issues they say that would warrant him being interviewed under caution.
However that no way proves guilt,many people are interviewed like that with no resulting charges.

I'm sorry but I have many doubts on these extensive large numbers of claims that have surfaced since the possible compensation culture arrived.

I actually think the Police have handled this less than well or appropriately at times too.
He is no longer here to state his case and facts which for all anyone knows,he could blow these allegations out the water if he was here.

Well said Joey.
At least 23 so called victims have been discounted, no saying the other 7 alleged victims are out for what they can get as well.:shrug:

[Toy Soldier]

I am afraid that is not how the law works in the UKAgain LT; this is not a courtroom. You seem to be confused.

[joeysteele]

Well said Joey.
At least 23 so called victims have been discounted, no saying the other 7 alleged victims are out for what they can get as well.:shrug:

I have a very suspicious mind smudgie.
I agree,that's a lot to be discounted I feel.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Again LT; this is not a courtroom. You seem to be confused.

no i just dont like people to be called a paedo with no evidence

[Toy Soldier]

no i just dont like people to be called a paedo with no evidenceThere isn't "no evidence" though, there's insufficient evidence, as is usually the case with a lot of these "big celeb" accusations.

And what you don't like, apparently, is the suggestion that it might be true, rather than people being "called a paedo". In the absence of trial-level evidence you don't like anything other than the declaration that they are definitely NOT a paedo... But I'm afraid, there's just no evidence of that, either.

[Cherie]

There's a pretty big gulf between believing he probably did it, and being part of a "lynch mob". When horrible accusations are made, truth is, there's probably truth to them, because the world is a deeply unpleasant place. Like I said above; tip of the iceberg. You prefer to assume innocence until guilt is proven. On a personal level, I would call that optimism, and it is a good thing to have. I fully agree from a legal standpoint, of course, there should be no legal presumption of guilt until such is proven, and no legal action should come unless guilt is proven. That doesn't mean that there isn't truth in it, though, or that there isn't a high likelihood of it being true.

That goes for several of the "not enough evidence" cleared historical accusations tbqfh... most of them probably did do something illegal. Proving it after decades is nearly impossible, of course, the only reason it was proven so conclusively with Savile was because the scope of his abuse was so massive.


not necessarily....unless you presume everyone who is accused of something is guilty :umm2:

[arista]

Dirty scumbag, another one saved by his own death. Great timing.

Should he somehow be stripped of his former post?


My problem
is Labours Tom Watson
demanding another 10 million pounds to spent on another
over long inquiry.



Feck the Hospistals TOM
go waste PUBLIC CASH - on this dead peado??????

[Beso]

no i just dont like people to be called a paedo with no evidence

But there is evidence.

[Brillopad]

There are issues they say that would warrant him being interviewed under caution.
However that no way proves guilt,many people are interviewed like that with no resulting charges.

I'm sorry but I have many doubts on these extensive large numbers of claims that have surfaced since the possible compensation culture arrived.

I actually think the Police have handled this less than well or appropriately at times too.
He is no longer here to state his case and facts which for all anyone knows,he could blow these allegations out the water if he was here.

I completely agree with this. ‘Innocent until proven guilty’ or does that only apply when it suits. Without the alleged perpetrator being here to defend himself it is all just hearsay.

I also agree about the ‘coincidence’ of large numbers of claims and the compensation culture’. It is all just a bit too convienient.

[arista]

But there is evidence.

Only with
the MOD.

The Police and MP's
can ask for the File
but keep getting the wrong one/





James
if I get a D-Notice
I will PM you Direct,
other than that
this is in Public Press (LWonly)





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[DemolitionRed]

If the investigation hasn't been exhausted then it needs to continue, regardless of cost. If Heath did commit these crimes, the least his victims deserve is closure.

[DemolitionRed]

Why would any outsider want to re-use your post Arista?

[Brillopad]

If the investigation hasn't been exhausted then it needs to continue, regardless of cost. If Heath did commit these crimes, the least his victims deserve is closure.

How do you realistically and fairly convict someone unable to defend themselves?

As mentioned in a previous post the ‘accused’ may have a perfectly good/provable explanation for any so-called ‘allegations’ or ‘evidence’ against them that cannot be presented if they are dead. Even living defendants get falsely convicted so what chance do dead ones have.

I’m not saying he is either innocent or guilty, I have no idea, but he is undoubtedly at a considerable disadvantage in that he cannot possibly defend himself. This makes it a lot easier for certain people to ‘go to town’ with their spurious and malicious allegations. I don’t go in for hounding the dead.

Whilst I have sympathy for any genuine ‘victims’ I would hope they would take some satisfaction from the fact that he is now gone and can no longer hurt anyone else. They have raised a question mark over him that will never disappear and I think it should be left at that.

[Oliver_W]

Whilst I have sympathy for any genuine ‘victims’ I would hope they would take some satisfaction from the fact that he is now gone and can no longer hurt anyone else. They have raised a question mark over him that will never disappear and I think it should be left at that.
If the victims are genuine, there's no need for the 'airquotes'.

But yeah, I do question what can be achieved by waiting until the accused is dead before pointing the finger.

[arista]

Why would any outsider want to re-use your post Arista?


Madame DR
they have before


These Naughty people
need Smacking



Young Scott is with me on that..............................

[DemolitionRed]

Madame DR
they have before


These Naughty people
need Smacking



Young Scott is with me on that..............................

I hope it was a post of substance :hee:

[DemolitionRed]

If the victims are genuine, there's no need for the 'airquotes'.

But yeah, I do question what can be achieved by waiting until the accused is dead before pointing the finger.

But did they wait? We know accusations were made against Savile prior to his death but were pushed under the carpet. We know of at least one incident with Heath and a missing child that was also pushed under the rug.

Savile and Heath were close. In fact it was Heath who fixed it for Savile to get an OBE. Both had close connections in Jersey. Savile was known to bring along boys from children's home on the island to Heath's boat and we know this to be fact. This doesn't make Heath guilty of pedophilia but it closely relates him to an infamous pedophile.

Children regularly went missing from these children's homes and in 2008 police started digging for bodies at Haut de la Garenne. We know that abuse was rife in this home but it was also one of the homes Saville was known to frequent and its also the home where children were taken for day trips on Heath's yacht.

In 1970 Jersey senator Ralph Vibert and Linda Corby reported a missing boy after a group of boys had been on a trip on Heath's boat but police were told by someone from above not to investigate.

We also know that Heath and Savile had close connections with Peter Jaconelli (The Scarborough Mayor) who was charged with sexual assault on underage boys.

The connection between Savile and Heath is suspicious. Heath may be innocent but if he's not, his victims deserve this investigation to continue.

[thesheriff443]

Calling someone a paedophile on a public site without proof is very silly thing to do, you and this site could be sued for libel.

Have high profile people been convicted?, yes
Have high profile people been accused by people and had their names cleared?yes.

Any one can make an accusation!

A friend of mine was caused of rape, he is a small blonde guy who was arrested finger
Prints taken dna taken put in a cell and interviewed several times, ctv came back from the club, in wich it showed the accuser leaving with a well built black ma.

He was put thru hell for the word of a liar, they are now trying to prosecute her.

[DemolitionRed]

Calling someone a paedophile on a public site without proof is very silly thing to do, you and this site could be sued for libel.

Have high profile people been convicted?, yes
Have high profile people been accused by people and had their names cleared?yes.

Any one can make an accusation!

A friend of mine was caused of rape, he is a small blonde guy who was arrested finger
Prints taken dna taken put in a cell and interviewed several times, ctv came back from the club, in wich it showed the accuser leaving with a well built black ma.

He was put thru hell for the word of a liar, they are now trying to prosecute her.

We know Saville was a pedophile. Who is calling Heath one outright?
As for suing. Whoever it is who wants to sue would have to sue thousands of sites and hundreds and thousands of people! Try reading the comments section in every British newspaper that has one. Are those papers going to be sued? are the people making comments going to be hunted down and sued?

We are allowed to state our view/suspicions you know and we are allowed to put forward facts, which is what I did in my former post.

[bots]

Calling someone a paedophile on a public site without proof is very silly thing to do, you and this site could be sued for libel.

Have high profile people been convicted?, yes
Have high profile people been accused by people and had their names cleared?yes.

Any one can make an accusation!

A friend of mine was caused of rape, he is a small blonde guy who was arrested finger
Prints taken dna taken put in a cell and interviewed several times, ctv came back from the club, in wich it showed the accuser leaving with a well built black ma.

He was put thru hell for the word of a liar, they are now trying to prosecute her.

Thing is, once someone is dead, people can say whatever they like about them. There is no libel etc applicable to a person once dead. That's why they are an easy target for this type of stuff.

I'm not saying Heath was innocent, I'm not saying he is guilty, but I would like to think there was strong evidence like there was with Saville before fingers are pointed, and so far, all i've seen is that there have been enough mutterings that the police would have questioned him if he were still alive. That doesn't imply any form of guilt whatsoever

[Toy Soldier]

Calling someone a paedophile on a public site without proof is very silly thing to do, you and this site could be sued for libel.

The accusations are in mainstream media and all anyone on here has done is suggest that they might well be true, no one has stated as fact that the allegations are true. No one has said "He was definitely a paedophile".

Stop trying to shut down discussions you happen not to like with bull**** about legality to scare people out of commenting. If you have a counter-point to make, do so without the empty threats.

[arista]

The accusations are in mainstream media and all anyone on here has done is suggest that they might well be true, no one has stated as fact that the allegations are true. No one has said "He was definitely a paedophile".

Stop trying to shut down discussions you happen not to like with bull**** about legality to scare people out of commenting. If you have a counter-point to make, do so without the empty threats.

YES TS
but TOM WATSON, LABOUR FOOL MP
- STOP BURNING UP NHS CASH on it


Never ever get arista angry
TW..........

[Kizzy]

The accusations are in mainstream media and all anyone on here has done is suggest that they might well be true, no one has stated as fact that the allegations are true. No one has said "He was definitely a paedophile".

Stop trying to shut down discussions you happen not to like with bull**** about legality to scare people out of commenting. If you have a counter-point to make, do so without the empty threats.

I agree, there appears to have been a degree of protection around this man as there was for savile due to his connections, status and money.
However the people that have come forward deserve to be taken seriously by the police, the tory mantra of 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' is very apt.

[Toy Soldier]

I agree, there appears to have been a degree of protection around this man as there was for savile due to his connections, status and money.
However the people that have come forward deserve to be taken seriously by the police, the tory mantra of 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' is very apt.

Of course there's protection around it, as I said this / Savile is the absolute tip of the iceberg and it will simply never all come out... because frankly people just don't want it to. It upsets their view of the world / authority / order.

[Kizzy]

Good point there is a deep rooted class system that prevents anyone considered part of the elite being guilty of such crimes, surely that is a disease of the uneducated and unwashed?
Should the establishment be rocked by an expose I don't quite know how it would be received by the public, out and out denial most likely to save their rose coloured British view.

[Brillopad]

Of course there's protection around it, as I said this / Savile is the absolute tip of the iceberg and it will simply never all come out... because frankly people just don't want it to. It upsets their view of the world / authority / order.

That may or may not be true but some choose to believe in such ‘class protection’ without any actual evidence, to fit in with their own left wing beliefs that the majority of haves have to be corrupt and all the have nots are simply victims who have played no part in their situations. :snore:

[Brillopad]

Good point there is a deep rooted class system that prevents anyone considered part of the elite being guilty of such crimes, surely that is a disease of the uneducated and unwashed?
Should the establishment be rocked by an expose I don't quite know how it would be received by the public, out and out denial most likely to save their rose coloured British view.

Aren’t a lot of the have nots ‘uneducated and unwashed’. Shows what you really think of them.

[Shaun]

1 or a couple of allegations can be written off as nonsense. This many... hmm.

[bots]

Of course there's protection around it, as I said this / Savile is the absolute tip of the iceberg and it will simply never all come out... because frankly people just don't want it to. It upsets their view of the world / authority / order.

i just dont think thats true at all. There is momentum and a will to bring people to justice, and to root out the problem. The world changed when the investigation into Saville happened, and it opened up many new areas for investigation.

Whatever people think of Heath (I'm old enough to remember him, and my opinion was not great), he is dead, if he did children harm, he can't now. We should be focussing efforts on eliminating the possibility of it happening again. and never allow people to hide behind protective barriers of status whether that be wealth, race, religion or anything else. When we get that, those long since guilty and dead can continue to rot

[thesheriff443]

1 or a couple of allegations can be written off as nonsense. This many... hmm.

Cliff Richard had twelve accusers.

[Beso]

Cliff Richard had twelve accusers.

But cliff knows way too much.:crazy:

[Tom4784]

1 or a couple of allegations can be written off as nonsense. This many... hmm.

Yup, the connections to Saville as well don't look good either. Too many things regarding him connects to other events and circumstances related to other peadophiles.

I suppose the investigations will tell us either way but I'm willing to bet it will confirm what's already been said.

[Beso]

Another dead one being investigated today..cyril smith....kitty will be sweating.

[thesheriff443]

The accusations are in mainstream media and all anyone on here has done is suggest that they might well be true, no one has stated as fact that the allegations are true. No one has said "He was definitely a paedophile".

Stop trying to shut down discussions you happen not to like with bull**** about legality to scare people out of commenting. If you have a counter-point to make, do so without the empty threats.

You clearly think I take these news stories personally, I don't,
If the family of ted heath wanted to take people to court regardless of were else its written they could.

[Toy Soldier]

You clearly think I take these news stories personally, I don't,
If the family of ted heath wanted to take people to court regardless of were else its written they could."Forget The Sun, forget The Mail, who gives a stuff about the dozens of online tabloids reporting this, I have one goal and one goal only; I'm going to sue members of an obscure forum about a defunct TV show."

:joker:

[arista]

tHIS thREAD GETS ME angry


TOM WATSON :LABOUR MP
STOP BURNUIBNG OUR NHS MONEY on this

[jaxie]

It's quite shocking how many of these cases have come out of the woodwork. I haven't the seen any if the evidence and can't really comment on whether he was guilty or not but there certainly seems to be some guilt with regard to covering up all these accusations which have come to light with Saville. I hope we are moving towards listening to those who come forward.