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UserSince2005
09-10-2017, 06:50 PM
Matthew Scully-Hicks 'murdered' adopted baby after two weeks.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-41549969
Sick and shocking, his poor husband.
Marsh.
09-10-2017, 07:00 PM
sCUM!
RileyH
09-10-2017, 07:03 PM
what a ****
Wizard.
09-10-2017, 07:27 PM
NOT FUNTy
smudgie
09-10-2017, 09:53 PM
That poor baby, what a life of pain and terror she must have suffered.
Still seething at this the ****ing prick
jaxie
09-10-2017, 10:17 PM
It's a horrible story and it does make you wonder why there wasn't a stronger support network in place for this baby to make sure she was safe in the home.
user104658
09-10-2017, 11:47 PM
Given the previous injuries described in the post-mortem, I can't see any possible way that the partner didn't know or at least suspect that abuse was going on. No way to prove that though, I suppose.
Mystic Mock
10-10-2017, 01:11 AM
This child really never got a start in life sadly.
Hopefully this guy gets shook up a bit in Prison.
Mystic Mock
10-10-2017, 01:11 AM
This child really never got a start in life sadly.
Hopefully this guy gets shook up a bit in Prison.
Mystic Mock
10-10-2017, 01:12 AM
By that I mean some prisoners putting him upside-down.
Northern Monkey
10-10-2017, 07:16 AM
Awful.Calling a baby psycho should have been a warning to whoever he was texting.
Brillopad
10-10-2017, 12:00 PM
Many gay people are perfectly suitable for adopting a child and it sounds like the partner was innocent in all of this so we can't use the word 'they'.
This is a tragic story. I'm sorry but if I received a text message with the words about a child being psycho, that would ring alarm bells. The child was clearly crying a lot because she was in pain.
The child had been injured before and he had no concerns - his innocence is questionable at this point.
DemolitionRed
10-10-2017, 07:32 PM
The child had been injured before and he had no concerns - his innocence is questionable at this point.
The medical staff believed his stories about the child's injuries. His partner also believed what he was told about the child's injuries and that belief was backed up by knowing the medical staff thought these injuries were accidental.
How do we know he wasn't concerned?
AnnieK
10-10-2017, 07:34 PM
Some people dont realise just how testing a crying baby can be. Some mothers snap and hurt thwir children. This guy and his husband will have gone through very stringent checks and procedures before being approved to adopt but nothing will ever prepare you for those first few sleep deprived months. I am in no way condoning what he has done....it is sick but I cant see that saying they have been though the adoption process to prove they could is in any way justified. Poor little girl....terrible start and terrible end to life
Some people dont realise just how testing a crying baby can be. Some mothers snap and hurt thwir children. This guy and his husband will have gone through very stringent checks and procedures before being approved to adopt but nothing will ever prepare you for those first few sleep deprived months. I am in no way condoning what he has done....it is sick but I cant see that saying they have been though the adoption process to prove they could is in any way justified. Poor little girl....terrible start and terrible end to life
I would love to know how and if they test for anger management issues.
Like what do you do if you stub your toe?
Marsh.
10-10-2017, 07:42 PM
Some people dont realise just how testing a crying baby can be. Some mothers snap and hurt thwir children. This guy and his husband will have gone through very stringent checks and procedures before being approved to adopt but nothing will ever prepare you for those first few sleep deprived months. I am in no way condoning what he has done....it is sick but I cant see that saying they have been though the adoption process to prove they could is in any way justified. Poor little girl....terrible start and terrible end to life
This.
If anything the fact they had just completed adoption procedures kind of makes it more likely this guy snapped in a way he never has before.
A tragedy that, unfortunately, can't always be foreseen.
This.
If anything the fact they had just completed adoption procedures kind of makes it more likely this guy snapped in a way he never has before.
A tragedy that, unfortunately, can't always be foreseen.
Does that cover the previous injuries as well?
Brillopad
10-10-2017, 07:46 PM
Some people dont realise just how testing a crying baby can be. Some mothers snap and hurt thwir children. This guy and his husband will have gone through very stringent checks and procedures before being approved to adopt but nothing will ever prepare you for those first few sleep deprived months. I am in no way condoning what he has done....it is sick but I cant see that saying they have been though the adoption process to prove they could is in any way justified. Poor little girl....terrible start and terrible end to life
I think the fact that it happened more than once suggests otherwise. There is a Hugh difference between ‘snapping’ and torturing and brutally murdering a defenceless toddler. You walk away, you don’t act on your frustrations, he was hardly a naive teenager.
Marsh.
10-10-2017, 07:46 PM
Does that cover the previous injuries as well?
Previous injuries.... after they'd adopted the girl?
Re-read my post.
The way he's treated this little girl might be the first incident of him ever doing something like this. Hence his partner maybe not suspecting him (although I always question cases like this where they live in the same house bringing a child up together but whatever) and also hence him passing all of the adoption procedures.
Previous injuries.... after they'd adopted the girl?
Re-read my post.
The way he's treated this little girl might be the first incident of him ever doing something like this. Hence his partner maybe not suspecting him (although I always question cases like this where they live in the same house bringing a child up together but whatever) and also hence him passing all of the adoption procedures.
Mr Lewis told the jury about a catalogue of injuries Elsie had suffered during her short life.
In November 2015, two months after she had been taken in by the couple, she had fractured her ankle while in the sole care of the defendant, who had given differing accounts of how she had suffered the injury.
A month later she sustained a bruise to her forehead which a health visitor advised needed treating. Matthew Scully-Hicks allegedly lied he had done so, the jury heard.
'Going through hell'
In January, Elsie suffered another bruise on her head and in March she was taken to hospital by ambulance after Matthew Scully-Hicks said she had fallen down the stairs.
She was discharged from hospital after four hours after her injuries were considered "consistent with a fall downstairs".
The jury were read a series of text messages the defendant allegedly sent to friends. One described the baby as a "psycho".
One read: "I'm going through hell with Elsie. Mealtimes and bedtimes are like my worst nightmare at the minute."
Another said: "She has just screamed non stop for 10 minutes. She had a full bottle and clean nappy. Literally not even half an hour and she is a psycho."
All that was before they had been allowed to officially adopt the child, yet they still passed...WTF
DemolitionRed
10-10-2017, 08:07 PM
The most likely scenario is, they were both deemed suitable to adopt. They both jumped through all the rigorous hoops to finalize that adoption and they both very much looked forward to having a child of their own.
Blood parents are known to hurt and even kill their children. In most circumstances of parental abuse, it was never planned or even considered, but something that started to happen soon or long after that child's birth. I doubt this was premeditated but something that happened in the heat of the moment.
Marsh.
10-10-2017, 08:14 PM
Mr Lewis told the jury about a catalogue of injuries Elsie had suffered during her short life.
In November 2015, two months after she had been taken in by the couple, she had fractured her ankle while in the sole care of the defendant, who had given differing accounts of how she had suffered the injury.
A month later she sustained a bruise to her forehead which a health visitor advised needed treating. Matthew Scully-Hicks allegedly lied he had done so, the jury heard.
'Going through hell'
In January, Elsie suffered another bruise on her head and in March she was taken to hospital by ambulance after Matthew Scully-Hicks said she had fallen down the stairs.
She was discharged from hospital after four hours after her injuries were considered "consistent with a fall downstairs".
The jury were read a series of text messages the defendant allegedly sent to friends. One described the baby as a "psycho".
One read: "I'm going through hell with Elsie. Mealtimes and bedtimes are like my worst nightmare at the minute."
Another said: "She has just screamed non stop for 10 minutes. She had a full bottle and clean nappy. Literally not even half an hour and she is a psycho."
All that was before they had been allowed to officially adopt the child, yet they still passed...WTF
I'm not sure why you've felt the need to copy and paste all of that.
My post was clearly referring to the fact that it's likely he may not have ever done anything like this before in his life prior to taking in this child. Hence Annie mentioning him clearly not being prepared for the hard work involved in caring for a baby. Not as an excuse for his behaviour, but maybe to explain how this has suddenly come out of him when he likely hadn't behaved in this way before.
The question of how and why these injuries went under the radar and were classed as accidents rather than the abuse it was therefore not affecting the official adoption is a question I couldn't begin to answer and is clearly a fault that needs serious investigation.
My original point was to point out things like this don't just happen when it's been long pre-planned or by people who are prone yo enjoying and inflicting this abuse on numerous victims.
I assume that's where your comments about paedophiles adopting children came from. The idea that things like this are always pre-planned and carried out by completely psychopathic people. It's not always the case.
Who are these morons passing someone when a hint is even there that ther is a small chance that the child may be being physically abused.
The child barely crawling fell down the stairs..hurt wrist...bruised forehead...all before the official adoption and nobody thought that there was even a glimmer if a chance something was amiss..then the fractured ribs and head injury prior to the tragic death.
Both guilty. As are the local adoption agency and they all have this childs blood on there hands.
Marsh.
10-10-2017, 08:22 PM
Who are these morons passing someone when a hint is even there that ther is a small chance that the child may be being physically abused.
The child barely crawling fell down the stairs..hurt wrist...bruised forehead...all before the official adoption and nobody thought that there was even a glimmer if a chance something was amiss..then the fractured ribs and head injury prior to the tragic death.
Both guilty. As are the local adoption agency and they all have this childs blood on there hands.
It does remind me of the Baby P incident and it's shocking lessons haven't been learned.
Mistakes happen and people slip through the net. It would be naive to think anyone and everyone can be caught. But the fact that numerous trips to the hospital with such shocking injuries were overlooked is baffling.
It does remind me of the Baby P incident and it's shocking lessons haven't been learned.
Mistakes happen and people slip through the net. It would be naive to think anyone and everyone can be caught. But the fact that numerous trips to the hospital with such shocking injuries were overlooked is baffling.
I doubt it is, but maybe all the health visitors etc were taken in by the novelty of it all...:shrug:
AnnieK
10-10-2017, 08:44 PM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, babies are slippery little buggers and quite often things happen. When my son was 18 months old I was running downstairs with him on my hip, tripped over my own feet and.put my arms out to catch myself...dropping my son. I took him to hospital and.after a bit of.observation he was discharged. A week later he was in the bath and I noticed a lump on his shoulder. It turned out he broke his collar bone in the fall but as childrens bones are so pliable at that age it wasnt picked up till it started to heal....after the fall he was a bit stiff and I kept adking him to do "so big" to move it which obviously with a broken collar bone was probavky painful but he did it. What im trying to say iss accidents happen and medical professionals are not infallible so to place blame is a tough one other than at the door of the man who ultimately took this little girls life, whatever the circumstances, this child has lost her life and her future..getting hung up on his sexuality is pointless. He has taken the life of a child and should pay the price with a hefty prison sentance
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-south-east-wales-4156
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/10/man-accused-of-murdering-daughter-was-quiet-and-gentle-jury-told
Amy Jade
10-10-2017, 09:59 PM
This is incredibly sad, poor little thing must have been in so much pain.
The guy is scum and I hope he get's what he deserves.
Brillopad
11-10-2017, 06:37 AM
The most likely scenario is, they were both deemed suitable to adopt. They both jumped through all the rigorous hoops to finalize that adoption and they both very much looked forward to having a child of their own.
Blood parents are known to hurt and even kill their children. In most circumstances of parental abuse, it was never planned or even considered, but something that started to happen soon or long after that child's birth. I doubt this was premeditated but something that happened in the heat of the moment.
Oh that’s alright then. He just killed the child in the heat of the moment. Poor man, how he must have suffered. Perhaps he should be given another child as it may not have been premeditated. God forbid.
Niamh.
11-10-2017, 09:22 AM
Oh that’s alright then. He just killed the child in the heat of the moment. Poor man, how he must have suffered. Perhaps he should be given another child as it may not have been premeditated. God forbid.
She didn't say that fgs. The point is when a baby is killed like this by shaking, its usually a heat of the moment angry reaction to the baby crying etc, where a parent/nanny whatever just loses it, he's still a **** though
Marsh.
11-10-2017, 09:29 AM
Oh that’s alright then. He just killed the child in the heat of the moment. Poor man, how he must have suffered. Perhaps he should be given another child as it may not have been premeditated. God forbid.
Not what she said.
She was clearly counter pointing what you said about the possibility of it being premeditated. No excuses. Just the fact that crimes like this are normally not pre-planned.
Brillopad
11-10-2017, 09:47 AM
She didn't say that fgs. The point is when a baby is killed like this by shaking, its usually a heat of the moment angry reaction to the baby crying etc, where a parent/nanny whatever just loses it, he's still a **** though
HE had hurt the child before and referred to her as ‘satan’ and the ‘devil’ so not exactly spur of the moment.
Marsh.
11-10-2017, 09:49 AM
HE had hurt the child before and referred to her as ‘satan’ and the ‘devil’ so not exactly spur of the moment.
Not exactly damning evidence that his crimes were entirely pre planned.
Niamh.
11-10-2017, 09:58 AM
HE had hurt the child before and referred to her as ‘satan’ and the ‘devil’ so not exactly spur of the moment.
That still doesn't make what you said about DRs post right. You pretty much implied because she thought that it wasn't pre meditated that she had sympathy for a man who killed a baby, that's quite low imo
user104658
11-10-2017, 10:24 AM
HE had hurt the child before and referred to her as ‘satan’ and the ‘devil’ so not exactly spur of the moment.Her point wasn't as an excuse or to lessen the actions of this man. The point is that a lot of people seem to think that this would have been avoided "with better checks", as though there "must" have been some sign that he would do this if the people doing the checks were "better at their jobs" or "had tougher criteria". But that's rarely the case. People who pass every check going with flying colours, and seem like normal and completely non-violent people, can "turn" and commit horrible crimes.
You seem to think that there's "something that can be changed" (not allowing gay people to adopt at all, probably) that would stop things like this happening when in reality, it could be the person you least expect who commits a crime like this, and there is no such thing as a foolproof system of checks.
Brillopad
11-10-2017, 10:25 AM
Not exactly damning evidence that his crimes were entirely pre planned.
It may not be exactly have been pre-planned but demonstrated a worrying pattern of behaviour. If the poor child had not died it would likely have happened again.
Pre-meditated or not most people do not commit such a crime. There must have been signs of violence in his behaviour at some point in his past that was probably ignored or excuses made for him.
Marsh.
11-10-2017, 10:27 AM
It may not be exactly have been pre-planned but demonstrated a worrying pattern of behaviour. If the poor child had not died it would likely have happened again.
Pre-meditated or not most people do not commit such a crime. There must have been signs of violence in his behaviour at some point in his past that was probably ignored or excuses made for him.
But there's also a first time for everything so not necessarily so.
user104658
11-10-2017, 10:46 AM
There must have been signs of violence in his behaviour at some point in his past that was probably ignored or excuses made for him.
Brillo you keep making definitive statements when you actually have no idea what you're talking about. There "must have been" signs? No. There might have been, there might not. He might have been cruel to animals or other kids when he was younger without anyone ever knowing about it. Or he might be predisposed to turn cruel and violent when under strain but have lived a relatively sheltered / stress free life and not even have known this about himself, let alone anyone else knowing.
You see the world in huge sweeping strokes and have very little understanding of psychological intricacies... But you like to talk like you alone can see the obvious truth. I just don't understand why you think you know better than the people who are closest to him or the professionals who assessed him. His family didn't see it, people trained to look into people and spot these things didn't see it...but Brillo off TiBB would have definitely spotted it? It's nonsense.
Niamh.
11-10-2017, 10:52 AM
Brillo you keep making definitive statements when you actually have no idea what you're talking about. There "must have been" signs? No. There might have been, there might not. He might have been cruel to animals or other kids when he was younger without anyone ever knowing about it. Or he might be predisposed to turn cruel and violent when under strain but have lived a relatively sheltered / stress free life and not even have known this about himself, let alone anyone else knowing.
You see the world in huge sweeping strokes and have very little understanding of psychological intricacies... But you like to talk like you alone can see the obvious truth. I just don't understand why you think you know better than the people who are closest to him or the professionals who assessed him. His family didn't see it, people trained to look into people and spot these things didn't see it...but Brillo off TiBB would have definitely spotted it? It's nonsense.
It may have been being responsible for caring for a baby brought it out in him and nothing up to that point had done. Any parent will know that babies can be really tough work sometimes especially if you are tired on top of everything, most people will walk away and have a few deep breathes if they feel under pressure with a baby who won't stop crying and some people don't and they snap unfortunately (I'm not making excuses for this guy btw)
user104658
11-10-2017, 11:07 AM
It may have been being responsible for caring for a baby brought it out in him and nothing up to that point had done. Any parent will know that babies can be really tough work sometimes especially if you are tired on top of everything, most people will walk away and have a few deep breathes if they feel under pressure with a baby who won't stop crying and some people don't and they snap unfortunately (I'm not making excuses for this guy btw)Exactly. It's not that literally any person can crack under that sort of pressure... But some people have that part of them that will snap under extreme pressure and sleep deprivation, and have simply never experienced that level of strain before. There's no way for anyone to know that that side of them exists until that situation arises. And again... If people don't even know it about themselves, it's ludicrous to think that any vetting procedure is going to somehow discover it.
If he was such a nice guy he would have given the child back after the first incident which happened long before they officially adopted the child.
But no, he said nothing ignoring his own obvious anger issues...scum.
user104658
11-10-2017, 12:19 PM
If he was such a nice guy he would have given the child back after the first incident which happened long before they officially adopted the child.
But no, he said nothing ignoring his own obvious anger issues...scum.
No one is saying he's a nice guy or making excuses for him ffs.
Marsh.
11-10-2017, 12:20 PM
If he was such a nice guy he would have given the child back after the first incident which happened long before they officially adopted the child.
But no, he said nothing ignoring his own obvious anger issues...scum.
Who said he's a nice guy?
Stop picking stupid holes fgs..we all know what i mean.
So if he really really did care that much about the child then why didnt he hand the child back after the first, 2nd or even 3rd instance of abuse?
Simple really, he cared more about himself than the child he was trying to adopt.
Marsh.
11-10-2017, 12:24 PM
Stop picking stupid holes fgs..we all know what i mean.
So if he really really did care that much about the child then why didnt he hand the child back after the first, 2nd or even 3rd instance of abuse?
Simple really, he cared more about himself than the child he was trying to adopt.
Nobody's picking. You're arguing a point that NOBODY made.
Niamh.
11-10-2017, 12:25 PM
Stop picking stupid holes fgs..we all know what i mean.
So if he really really did care that much about the child then why didnt he hand the child back after the first, 2nd or even 3rd instance of abuse?
Simple really, he cared more about himself than the child he was trying to adopt.
Who said he cared that much?
Who said he cared that much?
His husband on day 2 of the trial.
Who said he's a nice guy?
His husband day 2 of the trial.
Nobody's picking. You're arguing a point that NOBODY made.
His husband did on day 2 of the tial, hence why i didnt quote anyone....and im being accused if being thick fgs.
user104658
11-10-2017, 12:30 PM
His husband day 2 of the trial.
Yes but it sounds like you're trying to make a counter-point to something someone has said on here. Who on here has agreed with those statements made by his husband?
Niamh.
11-10-2017, 12:31 PM
His husband on day 2 of the trial.
Oh right, the way you put it into your post made it seem like you were asking us all why we thought he was a nice guy, who are you asking then? Pretty sure the husband isn't a member here
Yes but it sounds like you're trying to make a counter-point to something someone has said on here. Who on here has agreed with those statements made by his husband?
I would have quoted.....are we now going to spend another page arguing about me? Cause im a bit fed up with it to be honest.
Oh right, the way you put it into your post made it seem like you were asking us all why we thought he was a nice guy, who are you asking then? Pretty sure the husband isn't a member here
Not really asking anyone, just making a point really regarding this one off thing...which is rubbish as it wasnt a one of thing
Ashley.
11-10-2017, 12:51 PM
Stop picking stupid holes fgs..we all know what i mean.
So if he really really did care that much about the child then why didnt he hand the child back after the first, 2nd or even 3rd instance of abuse?
Simple really, he cared more about himself than the child he was trying to adopt.
I don't think it's simple at all... Like others have already mentioned, this isn't just a case of one thing causing another, it's much much more complicated than that.
Marsh.
11-10-2017, 12:52 PM
That's why it pays to put your post into a context and not stick it at the end of an ongoing discussion where it appears to be a response to that discussion.
Marsh.
11-10-2017, 12:54 PM
In response to what you actually said, it doesn't have to be one incident for his husband to have seen him as a nice guy beforehand.
His anger issues clearly aren't "issues" if he's noticing them and getting help for them immediately after one instance.
You're simplifying psychological problems.
..this is all just so incredibly heart-breaking, the pain that Elsie must have endured...:sad:...
..there appeared to bee a whole catalogue of injuries and hospital visits/fractured bones, had injuries happening almost monthly while she was in the care of Matthew Scully-Hicks..and yet the adoption wasn't halted...?...no enquiries were made into the constant hospital visits and 'accidents'..?...also her persistent vomiting after head injury and no CT scan was done at the hospital and again, the adoption process not looked at, at all..?...it's all incredibly wrong...and I hope this is a start of some serious reviews and possible changes...
Vicky.
11-10-2017, 03:21 PM
I don't understand how professionals keep missing stuff like this. They pretty much stalked us for months and months, dropping in unannounced, accusing us of all sorts, making me cry at one stage by telling me my illness meant I was an unfity parent, and that was all just as Gavins other son accidentally kneed Skye in the head when she was a few months old. We took her to hospital immediately to get checked even though 111 said it wouldn't likely be serious if she didn't have a noticeable dent or anything and cried straight away...but we got her checked anyway. We were reported to SS because of the nature of the accident and they chased us for months and months. Yet cases like this...don't get that? When there have been multiple suspicious injuries? Just makes no sense to me.
..this is all just so incredibly heart-breaking, the pain that Elsie must have endured...:sad:...
..there appeared to bee a whole catalogue of injuries and hospital visits/fractured bones, had injuries happening almost monthly while she was in the care of Matthew Scully-Hicks..and yet the adoption wasn't halted...?...no enquiries were made into the constant hospital visits and 'accidents'..?...also her persistent vomiting after head injury and no CT scan was done at the hospital and again, the adoption process not looked at, at all..?...it's all incredibly wrong...and I hope this is a start of some serious reviews and possible changes...
This is my main issue as well and is what ive been trying to get across...fancy a job proof reading my posts prior to posting?
Brillopad
11-10-2017, 03:37 PM
I don't understand how professionals keep missing stuff like this. They pretty much stalked us for months and months, dropping in unannounced, accusing us of all sorts, making me cry at one stage by telling me my illness meant I was an unfity parent, and that was all just as Gavins other son accidentally kneed Skye in the head when she was a few months old. We took her to hospital immediately to get checked even though 111 said it wouldn't likely be serious if she didn't have a noticeable dent or anything and cried straight away...but we got her checked anyway. We were reported to SS because of the nature of the accident and they chased us for months and months. Yet cases like this...don't get that? When there have been multiple suspicious injuries? Just makes no sense to me.
Think about it for a minute, maybe just maybe, the SS or whoever does these checks, are also intimidated by the current PC and fearful of being labelled as homophobic, consciously or unconsciously, if they are considered to be too thorough in their assessment. It is entirely possible in my opinion.
DemolitionRed
11-10-2017, 03:37 PM
That still doesn't make what you said about DRs post right. You pretty much implied because she thought that it wasn't pre meditated that she had sympathy for a man who killed a baby, that's quite low imo
Thank you... Marsh too, because I had to hold back on my reply because I'd probably get an infraction.
Brillopad
11-10-2017, 03:38 PM
Thank you... Marsh too, because I had to hold back on my reply because I'd probably get an infraction.
I doubt it.
Niamh.
11-10-2017, 03:40 PM
I doubt it.
There's a new Oracle in town
Ashley.
11-10-2017, 03:44 PM
Think about it for a minute, maybe just maybe, the SS or whoever does these checks, are also intimidated by the current PC and fearful of being labelled as homophobic, consciously or unconsciously, if they are considered to be too thorough in their assessment. It is entirely possible in my opinion.
I doubt it.
Vicky.
11-10-2017, 03:46 PM
Think about it for a minute, maybe just maybe, the SS or whoever does these checks, are also intimidated by the current PC and fearful of being labelled as homophobic, consciously or unconsciously, if they are considered to be too thorough in their assessment. It is entirely possible in my opinion.
Well I wouldn't say it was entirely impossible that this may happen at times. I do think its pretty unlikely though.
Just don't understand how I was stalked for one mistake (which was an accident caused by a child, not even myself!) where there was not even any serious injury and we only went to hospital as I was a bit of a neurotic first ti me mother... where so many others seem to not be investigated for multiple dodgy accidents.
Niamh.
11-10-2017, 03:48 PM
Well I wouldn't say it was entirely impossible that this may happen at times. I do think its pretty unlikely though.
Just don't understand how I was stalked for one mistake (which was an accident caused by a child, not even myself!) where there was not even any serious injury and we only went to hospital as I was a bit of a neurotic first ti me mother... where so many others seem to not be investigated for multiple dodgy accidents.
Probably comes down to individual health nurses personalities as well I suppose
Vicky.
11-10-2017, 03:53 PM
Health visitors are entirely useless. Either they upset good parents, or they miss bad ones. We have had 3 in total over the years and only one of them was half decent and actually helpful. The others were just awful judgey people who had no actual kids of their own...which I genuinely do think should be a requirement of doing a job like that. You simply cannot do it if you think kids are all textbook. Doesn't work like that and your advice is garbage.
Niamh.
11-10-2017, 03:55 PM
Health visitors are entirely useless. Either they upset good parents, or they miss bad ones. We have had 3 in total over the years and only one of them was half decent and actually helpful. The others were just awful judgey people who had no actual kids of their own...which I genuinely do think should be a requirement of doing a job like that. You simply cannot do it if you think kids are all textbook. Doesn't work like that and your advice is garbage.
The one I had after I had Luke drove me crazy she kept getting his name wrong, everytime she posted out a letter she had a different name on it :fist: I'd swear she did it on purpose too to annoy me
Marsh.
11-10-2017, 04:00 PM
The one I had after I had Luke drove me crazy she kept getting his name wrong, everytime she posted out a letter she had a different name on it :fist: I'd swear she did it on purpose too to annoy me
Omg, did she ever need to write your name down? I bet that was a challenge for her. :laugh:
Niamh.
11-10-2017, 04:02 PM
Omg, did she ever need to write your name down? I bet that was a challenge for her. :laugh:
My name isn't actually a challenge in Ireland considering it's an Irish name :nono:
Marsh.
11-10-2017, 04:03 PM
My name isn't actually a challenge in Ireland considering it's an Irish name :nono:
:hehe:
Cherie
06-11-2017, 02:56 PM
He has been found guilty sentencing tomorrow
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/man-found-guilty-of-murdering-adopted-toddler/ar-AAuuR3F?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp
Kazanne
06-11-2017, 03:55 PM
He has been found guilty sentencing tomorrow
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/man-found-guilty-of-murdering-adopted-toddler/ar-AAuuR3F?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp
Hope he gets battered senseless in prison,he better be going to prison with a lengthy sentence.
jaxie
07-11-2017, 11:24 AM
Children do have accidents but I am mystified as to why the broken leg didn't flag social workers to look more closely at this couple. It's not that easy to break a leg and particularly a toddler who should be supervised. Better to be looking more vigilantly at the couple than for a worse outcome. Poor little girl.
Cherie
07-11-2017, 11:26 AM
Children do have accidents but I am mystified as to why the broken leg didn't flag social workers to look more closely at this couple. It's not that easy to break a leg and particularly a toddler who should be supervised. Better to be looking more vigilantly at the couple than for a worse outcome. Poor little girl.
I don't understand this case at all, did he just go along with the adoption to please his partner or did he have a rosy idealised view of parenthood
Niamh.
07-11-2017, 11:34 AM
I don't understand this case at all, did he just go along with the adoption to please his partner or did he have a rosy idealised view of parenthood
Yeah it's odd, he seemed to be the main carer for the child as well. I feel sorry for the biological parents aswell, probably thinking they were giving their child a better chance at life :(
Cherie
07-11-2017, 11:35 AM
Yeah it's odd, he seemed to be the main carer for the child as well. I feel sorry for the biological parents aswell, probably thinking they were giving their child a better chance at life :(
the opinion of the court is that he was intentional in his abuse, not just losing his rag :umm2:
Minimum of 18 yrs...rot in hell.
smudgie
07-11-2017, 08:56 PM
Thank goodness he has been jailed.:fist:
lewis111
07-11-2017, 08:59 PM
Not enough though IMO
Whilst obviosly all murder is evil, If someone went through all that just for the intent of violently killing an innocent baby they aren't fit to ever be back out in public for life - wether that for punishment towards them or the safety of others
DemolitionRed
07-11-2017, 09:47 PM
This is a case where life should mean life.
UserSince2005
07-11-2017, 10:03 PM
Dirty bastard will ****ing love prison, he needs the death sentence.
Brillopad
08-11-2017, 08:11 AM
Yeah it's odd, he seemed to be the main carer for the child as well. I feel sorry for the biological parents aswell, probably thinking they were giving their child a better chance at life :(
http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/07/murdered-baby-would-be-alive-today-if-she-stayed-with-us-says-birth-family-7061625/
Very sad,
Kazanne
08-11-2017, 08:16 AM
Minimum of 18 yrs...rot in hell.
Should have been life imo,but yes hope he rots after he has been beaten a few times:wavey:
Should have been life imo,but yes hope he rots after he has been beaten a few times:wavey:
:wavey:
Should be chucking these health workers in beside the ****er.
Niamh.
08-11-2017, 09:51 AM
http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/07/murdered-baby-would-be-alive-today-if-she-stayed-with-us-says-birth-family-7061625/
Very sad,
Oh god, so sad :(
Brillopad
08-11-2017, 10:09 AM
Oh god, so sad :(
It could have been quite a different outcome for that poor little girl if they had not been so quick to decide the grandmother would not be able to cope. The daughter also may have changed with time and some growing up, people do all the time. I thought the SS were supposed to do everything they could to keep families together. It doesn’t sound to me as though they tried that hard.
And not to tell them about her death for months is criminal.
The whole thing needs to be investigated in my opinion.
Niamh.
08-11-2017, 10:15 AM
It could have been quite a different outcome for that poor little girl if they had not been so quick to decide the grandmother would not be able to cope. The daughter also may have changed with time and some growing up, people do all the time. I thought the SS were supposed to do everything they could to keep families together. It doesn’t sound to me as though they tried that hard.
And not to tell them about her death for months is criminal.
The whole thing needs to be investigated in my opinion.
Yeah I would have thought that they'd allow the grandmother to raise as No1 choice but maybe she really wasn't able? It's just very sad
Cherie
08-11-2017, 04:14 PM
Yeah I would have thought that they'd allow the grandmother to raise as No1 choice but maybe she really wasn't able? It's just very sad
They didn't even try though, surely if a family member is willing to take a child they should make every effort to support the family member with regular visits or something.
user104658
08-11-2017, 05:01 PM
They didn't even try though, surely if a family member is willing to take a child they should make every effort to support the family member with regular visits or something.It's hard to say without the full story, but given the circumstances under which she was removed, the fact that she had health issues at birth, and the grandmother's description of a "chaotic lifestyle" its highly likely that the mother was / is a drug addict and was actively taking drugs whilst pregnant. And whilst you can't necessarily make assumptions from that - it is also true to say that addicts often come from troubled families with addiction issues going back a few generations... And if they chose not to allow the grandmother to keep the child citing that she wouldnt be able to cope, I wouldnt be surprised if this was because of drug or alcohol issues concerning the grandmother.
Obviously the poor child didn't end up in any better of a situation and her adoption ended in tragedy, but I wouldn't be so quick to assume that her removal in the first place was in error or the wrong choice in anything but hindsight.
People PUT babies up for adoption for all sorts of reasons... But when a baby is forcibly removed from biological family and put up for adoption, there will be very good reasons for it. Either that or we're not hearing the full story, and the mother made the decision to put her child up for adoption and didn't want her mother to take it.
Niamh.
08-11-2017, 05:05 PM
Yeah i have to agree with TS there. I always thought that they went to great lengths to try and keep babies/kids with their biological families. Infact alot of kids probably end up in bad situations because of that too or they end up spending their whole lives in foster homes rather than be adopted because Social Services won't permanently take the kids away
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