Racial inequality in the workplace.

[Beso]

Just discussing this on the news.

One black lady said she had the best qualifications for the job but didnt get it...how does she know?

[Northern Monkey]

Probs just bitter she didn’t get the job.

[DemolitionRed]

sometimes its not so much the qualifications but how you come over during the interview. I doubt very much it was the colour of her skin. My advice to her would be, stop playing the blame game and try and improve your interview skills.

[Oliver_W]

When I was on a student forum, I'd see stuck up kids who thought that having a degree entitled them to whatever job they wanted, when they made no effort to gain actual work experience during their time in university. These days nearly everyone has a degree, and when it comes to jobs that require such a qualification, what work they've done on the side will count just as much, if not more, assuming having a degree is a given.

This lady might be the "most qualified" on paper, but she might not have as much on her CV, or maybe as DR said, she might just have come across badly in her interview. If she boasts about her qualifications and accuses the interviewees of racism, I'm gonna guess she doesn't come across too well in day to day life.

[Niamh.]

It's hard to have an opinion on this particular story with the limited information we have on it really

[jaxie]

I've been thinking about this subject in a round about way recently as I have a couple of young family members looking for work and I've been helping them. I've noticed a lot of jobs now seem to ask your sex, ethnicity and if you have disabilities and it made me wonder whether asking is actually detrimental to candidates from all ethnicities and disabled or not. I mean surely the employer should be concerned with a good CV and cover letter, not what colour your skin is. Why should all of that matter even before the interview process? They say it's so they can be diverse but does that mean they are discounting people based on ethnicity before they've even met them? Are they in fact in some cases discriminating against white men? It does make you wonder as gender and race is almost always asked for on applications. I understand with a disability you may have special needs but instead of asking all the questions they could just add a box asking if you have any special requirements and let you explain.

I do believe all candidates should get a shot, regardless of colour, based on the abilities and experience. If you are the best qualified that is all that should be important.

[the truth]

hysterical headlines dont help

[Oliver_W]

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As far as I know, the official stance is that the equal opps forms aren't looked at during the recruitment process, but are separately added to the "personnel files" once you're hired.

[Northern Monkey]

I've been thinking about this subject in a round about way recently as I have a couple of young family members looking for work and I've been helping them. I've noticed a lot of jobs now seem to ask your sex, ethnicity and if you have disabilities and it made me wonder whether asking is actually detrimental to candidates from all ethnicities and disabled or not. I mean surely the employer should be concerned with a good CV and cover letter, not what colour your skin is. Why should all of that matter even before the interview process? They say it's so they can be diverse but does that mean they are discounting people based on ethnicity before they've even met them? Are they in fact in some cases discriminating against white men? It does make you wonder as gender and race is almost always asked for on applications. I understand with a disability you may have special needs but instead of asking all the questions they could just add a box asking if you have any special requirements and let you explain.

I do believe all candidates should get a shot, regardless of colour, based on the abilities and experience. If you are the best qualified that is all that should be important.

I agree,I don’t think race should be a factor and isn’t necessary on application forms.Let people get to their interviews and either shine or fail whatever race they are.

[Beso]

It's hard to have an opinion on this particular story with the limited information we have on it really

A major dossier was released today at lunch time..have a look at it.

[Tom4784]

White people like to pretend that diverse employment thinks that they'll somehow be discriminated against and unable to get a job if the competition is an ethnic minority but that's just an excuse to place the blame elsewhere.

An employer will never hire someone ill suited to the job just because they fulfill a quota. It just doesn't happen in most places. It's not worth the wasted time and resources, plus, depending on the hierarchy of the workplace in question, if it's not the boss doing hiring and firing, a badly suited new employee reflects badly on the person who gave them a job.

When I've hired people I was always advised to judge it on two things mostly, suitability for the job and how well their personality would mesh with the other employees. Sometimes the best person for the job isn't always the most suitable, sometimes you look for a good attitude and potential instead of raw suitability. I've personally have never been made to make an employment decision based on race or anything else. Hell, most companies I've worked for won't even ask that kind of stuff until after you've been employed and you have to fill out your details and such.

[AnnieK]

Most companies will ask for equal ops data, you are.not obliged to provide any information. The reason it is asked for is for equality and diversity monitoring as all companies should have policies regarding this data. However, it should not be used in any way to make a recruitment decision.

[Cherie]

White s

An employer will never hire someone ill suited to the job just because they fulfill a quota. It just doesn't happen in most places. It's not worth the wasted time and resources, plus, depending on the hierarchy of the workplace in question, if it's not the boss doing hiring and firing, a badly suited new employee reflects badly on the person who gave them a job.

When I've hired people I was always advised to judge it on two things mostly, suitability for the job and how well their personality would mesh with the other employees. Sometimes the best person for the job isn't always the most suitable, sometimes you look for a good attitude and potential instead of raw suitability. I've personally have never been made to make an employment decision based on race or anything else. Hell, most companies I've worked for won't even ask that kind of stuff until after you've been employed and you have to fill out your details and such.

Actually the debate today was about black people complaining it was refreshing to hear other black peoples ring in to say they had a chip on their shoulder and if you are qualified for the job you will get it, just as you indicated Dezzy

[Tom4784]

Actually the debate today was about black people complaining it was refreshing to hear other black peoples ring in to say they had a chip on their shoulder and if you are qualified for the job you will get it, just as you indicated Dezzy

Yes, I am aware what the debate was about.

[Beso]

White people like to pretend that diverse employment thinks that they'll somehow be discriminated against and unable to get a job if the competition is an ethnic minority but that's just an excuse to place the blame elsewhere.

An employer will never hire someone ill suited to the job just because they fulfill a quota. It just doesn't happen in most places. It's not worth the wasted time and resources, plus, depending on the hierarchy of the workplace in question, if it's not the boss doing hiring and firing, a badly suited new employee reflects badly on the person who gave them a job.

When I've hired people I was always advised to judge it on two things mostly, suitability for the job and how well their personality would mesh with the other employees. Sometimes the best person for the job isn't always the most suitable, sometimes you look for a good attitude and potential instead of raw suitability. I've personally have never been made to make an employment decision based on race or anything else. Hell, most companies I've worked for won't even ask that kind of stuff until after you've been employed and you have to fill out your details and such.

Thats what i thought happened..48yrs old here, never not gotten the job after an interview....it must have been my personality.:smug:

[Oliver_W]

Actually the debate today was about black people complaining it was refreshing to hear other black peoples ring in to say they had a chip on their shoulder and if you are qualified for the job you will get it, just as you indicated Dezzy

But someone else suggested that companies might hire people to fill diversity quotas, I assumed Dezzy was responding to that.

[Cherie]

But someone else suggested that companies might hire people to fill diversity quotas, I assumed Dezzy was responding to that.

We don't all assume the same things, that's the whole point of a discussion

[Oliver_W]

We don't all assume the same things, that's the whole point of a discussion

Which is why anyone should be able to bring their opinions to the table.

[Cherie]

Which is why anyone should be able to bring their opinions to the table.

Naturally, the table is there for you

[the truth]

It should best person for the job ...sadly politically correctness forces people to employ a certain percentage of people from different groups regardless of whether they are good or crap at their job

[Brillopad]

White people like to pretend that diverse employment thinks that they'll somehow be discriminated against and unable to get a job if the competition is an ethnic minority but that's just an excuse to place the blame elsewhere.

An employer will never hire someone ill suited to the job just because they fulfill a quota. It just doesn't happen in most places. It's not worth the wasted time and resources, plus, depending on the hierarchy of the workplace in question, if it's not the boss doing hiring and firing, a badly suited new employee reflects badly on the person who gave them a job.

When I've hired people I was always advised to judge it on two things mostly, suitability for the job and how well their personality would mesh with the other employees. Sometimes the best person for the job isn't always the most suitable, sometimes you look for a good attitude and potential instead of raw suitability. I've personally have never been made to make an employment decision based on race or anything else. Hell, most companies I've worked for won't even ask that kind of stuff until after you've been employed and you have to fill out your details and such.

I think it obvious it was the black woman trying to to place the blame elsewhere here. Don’t let that stop you turning it around completely though and blame whites. :bored:

[Cherie]

It should best person for the job ...sadly politically correctness forces people to employ a certain percentage of people from different groups regardless of whether they are good or crap at their job

it should indeed two recent instances spring to mind

we need more women in the Cabinet

and we need to look for a female coach for the England women's team...:umm2: again it should be the best person for the job not a woman for the sake of it..

[Oliver_W]

it should indeed two recent instances spring to mind

we need more women in the Cabinet

and we need to look for a female coach for the England women's team...:umm2: again it should be the best person for the job not a woman for the sake of it..

Politics and sports are both quite cut-throat, any hires for the sake of it wont last. If anyone is stupid enough to hire someone just for their irrelevant identities, they'll learn their lesson soon enough.

[Tom4784]

I think it obvious it was the black woman trying to to place the blame elsewhere here. Don’t let that stop you turning it around completely though and blame whites. :bored:

Try to understand the context of what I'm saying before you stuff your foot into your mouth.

[Oliver_W]

Speaking of diversity hires, I heard somewhere that Justin Trudeau's "gender balanced cabinet" largely has pointless roles for a lot of the female hires, where they're "junior ministers" or something. I don't care enough to look into it fully, but I just find it amusing that behind his virtue signalling, he won't give them real jobs.

[Brillopad]

Try to understand the context of what I'm saying before you stuff your foot into your mouth.

Not a lot to understand really.

[Vicky.]

I don't think that those forms that ask your ethnicity, sex and such for 'monitoring' purposes should exist tbh. I don't see what good it will do anyone and my boss apparently used to get **** off human resources if turned down a certain amount of 'minorities' regardless of the reason. I don't see why they would be collected if they weren't used, and I don't see what the need is for them at all.

I also do not agree with positive discrimination. In any form. Some employers guarantee an interview if you consider yourself to have a disability. I don't see why? Besides purposely trying to 'fill quotas'. Only discovered this a few years back when Gav was looking for work and the jobcentre told him to use the 'guaranteed interview' scheme as he is dyslexic.