Would you allow a hollywood producer to have his way with you if it meant fame?

[Beso]

I would....would you?

[Niamh.]

No, I'd hate to be famous anyway

[Cherie]

No, as above...

[Josy]

No

[Locke.]

Is she hot?

[Niamh.]

Is she hot?

He*

[Vicky.]

If fame was what I wanted, and I didn't have a family and that then yeah tbh. Its only sex :shrug:

[waterhog]

very cheap you lot - I am disappointed :fist:

[Amy Jade]

No. I have no desire to be famous firstly amd secondly it's qctuqlly repulsive.

[waterhog]

amy jade you are show qualitys of a star - a shinning star - well said.

[smudgie]

If it was Paul Newman or Robert Redford back in the day then he'll yeah.....and they could keep the fame.:joker:

[Smithy]

Yes and then when I was big I’d sell the story on him

[Brillopad]

I would....would you?

Maybe if he was very attractive. But not some dirty old git, which is what most of them seem to be.

[Jack_]

Not fame, but name a price and I'd consider it.

[DemolitionRed]

Not fame, but name a price and I'd consider it.

Thats a good point!

Like others here, I don't want to be famous but I wouldn't mind a £million and remain anonymous!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd do it even if it wasn't for fame

:drool:

[Marsh.]

Not with the likes of that Weinstein pervert.

But a nice bloke with some lovely buns. :love:

[RileyH]

Probably, if they were cute enough and not tramps

[Denver]

Not fame, but name a price and I'd consider it.

Not you being a prostitute

[Crimson Dynamo]

and there was me thinking film roles were given on merit...

:idc:

[Beso]

Glad im not alone....i may add i have appeared in a film(did i mention that before)

It only cost me a pint if belhaven best though.

[Wizard.]

Yeah I mean he only wanted to fondle breasts whilst pleasuring himself.

[DemolitionRed]

My Lusitano horse was in the opening scene of Gladiators. :suspect:

[AnnieK]

Seems pretty cheap and demeaning BUT I can get why some people would if it means achieving their dream after being rejected time and time again and offered their big break for a quick grope.

[UserSince2005]

Dont care for fame. but for a few bob id considered a lot of things.

[Ant.]

I'd do it for the money, not the fame

[JerseyWins]

If she's good looking, why not? That's actually a double win. (although I'd care about the money that comes with the fame, not the actual fame)

[Rob!]

IF it was put to me that all my career dreams would come true in return for one night of being fondled then...yeah tbh. I know that must make me sound incredibly shallow and maybe it's because I'm a man that it seems less harmful.

[Scarlett.]

**** Hollywood, filled with the worst type of people getting away with all kinds of deplorable ****, just cause they make films.

[Gstar]

Fame no, Money yes

[iRyan]

Honestly, probably yes. But that doesn't mean I think it's okay.

[Northern Monkey]

There are only a very small amount of things that get to touch my cornhole and Harvey Weinsteins cock is’nt one of them.

[RichardG]

yes

[jaxie]

I don't think so because I was never the type to put it about really. I think it's fine to sleep with someone if you fancy them but doing it for work is sleazy and I think it's something that would bother you afterwards.

[waterhog]

its called prostitution.

[Cal.]

Yeah definitely. It's only sex.

[Niamh.]

Yeah definitely. It's only sex.

It's sexual harassment/blackmail and severe abuse of their position of power

[Crimson Dynamo]

its like the casting couch had not been invented

[Ramsay]

Yeah why not

[the truth]

All these women were so holier than thou so innocent none of them realised going up to his hotel room in the early hours could possibly lead to a kiss and a cuddle and who knows maybe a big role in a hollywood blockbuster
IF he is found guilty IN A LEGAL COURT ROOM, then by all means burn him at the stake and lock him away for a lengthy period
But clearly a load of the accusations are exaggerated politically correct drivel of events that happened years ago and taken way way out of context by a bitch slapped feminist media
IF he committed a crime then take it to the police and court and if guulty he will be arrested charged convicted
Why havent any of these so called brave women come forward in the last 30 years? probably because most were complicit in the flirting/sex that happened. I do not believe in trial by media or trial by twitter or facebook or by feminists...I believe in trial in a court room by law and innocent until proven guilty. Theres a zillion and one money grabbing kiss and tell women in hollywood as has been proven thousands of times...theres thousands fo false accusers, blackmailers, exaggerators trying to screw some money. IF some are legit then they have to do this through legit means and thats through the courts
The amount of biased out of context sanctimonious drivel spouted by the medie the luvvies, the actors trying to look oh so good all spouting the same thing without knowing any of the facts. all jumping on this mans grave now that hes sacked. whereas for the past 30 years theyve sucked at his teet. what a bunch of phonies. the people who dance on his grave are mostly sycophants and hypocrites. take ben affleck lol who the heck is he to moralise? who are any of them? go to court and shut the hell up

[Niamh.]

Poor him, what a victim he is of evil women

[the truth]

Poor him, what a victim he is of evil women

Nice heartless fake sentiment. I do pity the thousands of men falsely accused by lying women across the western world> and he false accusers are never brought to task, always get away with it and even remain annoymous. The list of false accusers is in the massive majority. Take poor old jimmy tarbuck or cliff richard to name but a few , he and his family went through hell and back for years based on a pack of lies from money grabbing women who remained anonymous. They even accused him of something in bbc in top of the pops 1963 in london when top of the pops was in manchester at the time? money grabbing liars.

what about all the 10000s of women who tear male pop stars clothes off for the past 50 years? should we retrospectively burn them all at the stake too?

[Niamh.]

mmhmm

[Vicky.]

Have I missed a news link or something? Thought this was a random debate but it seems theres a lot more to this and its a current story?

[Niamh.]

Have I missed a news link or something? Thought this was a random debate but it seems theres a lot more to this and its a current story?

I assume the inspiration for the thread came from this news story here, that's literally everywhere right now Vicky :laugh:
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/9/16447070/harvey-weinstein-fired

[Vicky.]

I see. I don't really watch TV or anything :laugh:

OK from that, I wouldn't say it was sexual harassment if these women chose to sleep with him to further their careers. Sounds a bit of a sleaze though.

And yes, I probably would still do it, if its what I wanted and I was single and stuff. Still see it as like half an hour (probably less) for the rest of your life :shrug:

[Niamh.]

I see. I don't really watch TV or anything :laugh:

OK from that, I wouldn't say it was sexual harassment if these women chose to sleep with him to further their careers. Sounds a bit of a sleaze though.

And yes, I probably would still do it, if its what I wanted and I was single and stuff. Still see it as like half an hour (probably less) for the rest of your life :shrug:

That makes it ok to do though. It's basically saying to young actresses if you don't sleep with him the next girl will so basically if you don't do it wave good bye to a career type thing

[Vicky.]

That makes it ok to do though. It's basically saying to young actresses if you don't sleep with him the next girl will so basically if you don't do it wave good bye to a career type thing

Sleazy sure, I wouldn't say sexual harassment, which seems to be the complaint?

Its a fine line though, and certainly morally dubious

Also choosing not to sleep with this sleaze doesn't necessarily mean your career is over. Just you will have to try and get employed off someone else, who does not employ people based on sex. Want a fast track pass into the industry though, he is your guy. Ugh.

[Niamh.]

Sleazy sure, I wouldn't say sexual harassment, which seems to be the complaint?

Its a fine line though, and certainly morally dubious

Also choosing not to sleep with this sleaze doesn't necessarily mean your career is over. Just you will have to try and get employed off someone else, who does not employ people based on sex. Want a fast track pass into the industry though, he is your guy. Ugh.

Rosanna Arquette, who starred in Pulp Fiction, told The New Yorker she had been supposed to meet Weinstein for dinner at a Beverly Hills hotel to pick up a script, but on arrival was told to go to his suite. He answered the door wearing a white bathrobe and saying he needed a massage. She said he grabbed her hand and pulled it towards his penis which was “visible and erect … My heart was really racing. I was in a fight-or-flight mode”. She said she told him: “I will never do that”, and that he responded by telling hershe was making a huge mistake. She claims her career later suffered.

Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, a Filipina-Italian model, was 22 when she was invited to Weinstein’s office in the Tribeca neighbourhood of New York. He lunged at her, groping her breasts and attempting to put a hand up her skirt while she protested. She went straight to the police. The New Yorker published an audio tape recorded when she was equipped with a NYPD wire tap. In the recording, Weinstein begs her to join him in his hotel room. She refuses and asks him why he had groped her breast the day before. “Oh, please, I’m sorry, just come on in. I’m used to that. Come on. Please,” he says. “You are used to that?” Gutierrez asks. “Yes,” Weinstein replies, later adding: “I won’t do it again”. He also says: “Don’t ruin your friendship with me for five minutes.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/11/the-allegations-against-harvey-weinstein-what-we-know-so-far

[GiRTh]

All these women were so holier than thou so innocent none of them realised going up to his hotel room in the early hours could possibly lead to a kiss and a cuddle and who knows maybe a big role in a hollywood blockbuster
IF he is found guilty IN A LEGAL COURT ROOM, then by all means burn him at the stake and lock him away for a lengthy period
But clearly a load of the accusations are exaggerated politically correct drivel of events that happened years ago and taken way way out of context by a bitch slapped feminist media
IF he committed a crime then take it to the police and court and if guulty he will be arrested charged convicted
Why havent any of these so called brave women come forward in the last 30 years? probably because most were complicit in the flirting/sex that happened. I do not believe in trial by media or trial by twitter or facebook or by feminists...I believe in trial in a court room by law and innocent until proven guilty. Theres a zillion and one money grabbing kiss and tell women in hollywood as has been proven thousands of times...theres thousands fo false accusers, blackmailers, exaggerators trying to screw some money. IF some are legit then they have to do this through legit means and thats through the courts
The amount of biased out of context sanctimonious drivel spouted by the medie the luvvies, the actors trying to look oh so good all spouting the same thing without knowing any of the facts. all jumping on this mans grave now that hes sacked. whereas for the past 30 years theyve sucked at his teet. what a bunch of phonies. the people who dance on his grave are mostly sycophants and hypocrites. take ben affleck lol who the heck is he to moralise? who are any of them? go to court and shut the hell upThe New York DA had the tape that is currently being aired on TV of the actress clearly being coaxed into his room. At one point she comments on him touching her breast and he responds - I wont do it again. Seems like a bit of smoking gun to me and the actual story now is why didnt the DA prosecute him. That may be to do with the fact that actress in question had bit of a history.

Why didn't the New York D.A. pursue charges against Weinstein? (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvey-weinstein-not-prosecuted-sexual-harassing-assault-cyrus-vance-district-attorney/)

How Gossip Media Smeared Weinstein Accuser Ambra Battilana Gutierrez (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-the-gossip-media-smeared-weinstein-accuser-ambra-battilana-gutierrez_us_59dd20b7e4b0b26332e75015)

[Vicky.]

Rosanna Arquette, who starred in Pulp Fiction, told The New Yorker she had been supposed to meet Weinstein for dinner at a Beverly Hills hotel to pick up a script, but on arrival was told to go to his suite. He answered the door wearing a white bathrobe and saying he needed a massage. She said he grabbed her hand and pulled it towards his penis which was “visible and erect … My heart was really racing. I was in a fight-or-flight mode”. She said she told him: “I will never do that”, and that he responded by telling hershe was making a huge mistake. She claims her career later suffered.

Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, a Filipina-Italian model, was 22 when she was invited to Weinstein’s office in the Tribeca neighbourhood of New York. He lunged at her, groping her breasts and attempting to put a hand up her skirt while she protested. She went straight to the police. The New Yorker published an audio tape recorded when she was equipped with a NYPD wire tap. In the recording, Weinstein begs her to join him in his hotel room. She refuses and asks him why he had groped her breast the day before. “Oh, please, I’m sorry, just come on in. I’m used to that. Come on. Please,” he says. “You are used to that?” Gutierrez asks. “Yes,” Weinstein replies, later adding: “I won’t do it again”. He also says: “Don’t ruin your friendship with me for five minutes.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/11/the-allegations-against-harvey-weinstein-what-we-know-so-far

OK yeah, sexual harassment and much more to it than it seemed D:

Another case of reports to police being ignored too, I'm guessing?

[Vicky.]

Will read more into this now, genuinely thought it was a random thread until thetruth replied with the women blaming post.

But yeah, I understand more now. thought it was just a clear cut case of...sleep with me and you get the job.

[the truth]

The New York DA had the tape that is currently being aired on TV of the actress clearly being coaxed into his room. At one point she comments on him touching her breast and he responds - I wont do it again. Seems like a bit of smoking gun to me and the actual story now is why didnt the DA prosecute him. That may be to do with the fact that actress in question had bit of a history.

Why didn't the New York D.A. pursue charges against Weinstein? (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvey-weinstein-not-prosecuted-sexual-harassing-assault-cyrus-vance-district-attorney/)

How Gossip Media Smeared Weinstein Accuser Ambra Battilana Gutierrez (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-the-gossip-media-smeared-weinstein-accuser-ambra-battilana-gutierrez_us_59dd20b7e4b0b26332e75015)

108 seconds where a woman undercover from an expensive sting operation, who goes back to a mans hotel room in the early hours and he spends 108 seconds trying to persuade her to come in before they eventually say goodbye? thats a story? man tries to persuade a woman into his hotel room for 108 seconds? what a waste of public money.

[GiRTh]

108 seconds where a woman undercover from an expensive sting operation, who goes back to a mans hotel room in the early hours and he spends 108 seconds trying to persuade her to come in before they eventually say goodbye? thats a story? man tries to persuade a woman into his hotel room for 108 seconds? what a waste of public money.He admitted he did it on the tape :shrug:

[the truth]

He admitted he did it on the tape :shrug:

did he hell....he was just trying to move the conversation out of the hallway .....this proves absolutely nothing and even the NYPD have said so

[GiRTh]

did he hell....he was just trying to move the conversation out of the hallway .....this proves absolutely nothing and even the NYPD have said soHe also said - ”Don’t ruin your friendship with me for five minutes.” But if you dont think there was enough to even talk to him then we can leave it at that :thumbs:

[GiRTh]

And we know Weinstein contributed money to the DA campaign

Harvey Weinstein's lawyer DONATED $10,000 to New York City District Attorney weeks after he decided not to prosecute him on sexual assault charges (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4959248/Weinstein-lawyer-donated-10-000-NYC-district-attorney.html)

[Niamh.]

And we know Weinstein contributed money to the DA campaign

Harvey Weinstein's lawyer DONATED $10,000 to New York City District Attorney weeks after he decided not to prosecute him on sexual assault charges (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4959248/Weinstein-lawyer-donated-10-000-NYC-district-attorney.html)

I'm sure that was just a coincidence :hehe:

[GiRTh]

I'm sure that was just a coincidence :hehe:Of course :wink:

[Littlegreen]

Initially I was going to say I'd suck 'em off but nothing more, however thinking about it I wouldn't be able to live knowing my work was a success purely because of my mouth and lack of self-respect.

[Beso]

And we know Weinstein contributed money to the DA campaign

Harvey Weinstein's lawyer DONATED $10,000 to New York City District Attorney weeks after he decided not to prosecute him on sexual assault charges (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4959248/Weinstein-lawyer-donated-10-000-NYC-district-attorney.html)




Surprised he had any left after donating so much to hillary and obahma....probably hush money.

[GiRTh]

Surprised he had any left after donating so much to hillary and obahma....probably hush money.True and both of those were slow to condemn his behaviour. Everyone wants this kept quiet. :shrug:

Now Rose Mcgowan's twitter account has been suspended. She says its due to her speaking out.

Rose McGowan suspended from Twitter after Ben Affleck tweets (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/12/rose-mcgowan-twitter-suspended-ben-affleck-harvey-weinstein)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id like to know how MTVN became a mod?

:suspect:

its time the "Tibb casting couch" was exposed

[the truth]

True and both of those were slow to condemn his behaviour. Everyone wants this kept quiet. :shrug:

Now Rose Mcgowan's twitter account has been suspended. She says its due to her speaking out.

Rose McGowan suspended from Twitter after Ben Affleck tweets (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/12/rose-mcgowan-twitter-suspended-ben-affleck-harvey-weinstein)

probably due to slander

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are there any women coming out saying they slept with him and they got parts in big films they did not merit?

[the truth]

Are there any women coming out saying they slept with him and they got parts in big films they did not merit?

no all the women were pure and innocent and took the millions of pounds and big parts against their will and they all want to give back the oscars too

[James]

True and both of those were slow to condemn his behaviour. Everyone wants this kept quiet. :shrug:

Now Rose Mcgowan's twitter account has been suspended. She says its due to her speaking out.

Rose McGowan suspended from Twitter after Ben Affleck tweets (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/12/rose-mcgowan-twitter-suspended-ben-affleck-harvey-weinstein)

A lot of the celebrities are only condemning the behaviour now because they don't want to be criticised themselves for staying silent.

A lot of it is about looking after their own interests.

Self interest is the motivating force in a lot of things, especially Hollywood.

[Northern Monkey]

This well respected US political commentator has the truth on the matter

8jWWthH-2o8

[Niamh.]

That was fair gross, I do love Joe Rogan though :laugh:

[Jamie89]

Are there any women coming out saying they slept with him and they got parts in big films they did not merit?

Probably not but why would that be relevant? There have probably been lots of women who slept with him for parts but that doesn't nullify the accusations that he raped and sexually assaulted women who refused him, or excuse him for that if true.

[Jamie89]

Also I wonder if all the Harvey Weinstein stuff should have a separate thread with it being quite a big story at the moment? (Or was this thread meant to be about him anyway I'm not really sure?)

[Marsh.]

no all the women were pure and innocent and took the millions of pounds and big parts against their will and they all want to give back the oscars too
Oh shut up with your blatant misogyny.

No doubt there were women who willingly slept with Weinstein or other producers to get parts or replenish their bank balances but that has nothing to do with the women who refused his advances and he raped and abused.

[Marsh.]

probably due to slander
Nope.
Her Twitter was suspended because one of her screenshots contained a private phone number. Once the number was removed, her account was reopened.

[Marsh.]

Initially I was going to say I'd suck 'em off but nothing more, however thinking about it I wouldn't be able to live knowing my work was a success purely because of my mouth and lack of self-respect.
Or, even worse, the film you get is a major flop and ruins your reputation and you realise you sucked him off for nothing. :eek:

[Marsh.]

did he hell....he was just trying to move the conversation out of the hallway .....this proves absolutely nothing and even the NYPD have said so
You're very passionate about defending this rapist.

[Marsh.]

All these women were so holier than thou so innocent none of them realised going up to his hotel room in the early hours could possibly lead to a kiss and a cuddle and who knows maybe a big role in a hollywood blockbuster
IF he is found guilty IN A LEGAL COURT ROOM, then by all means burn him at the stake and lock him away for a lengthy period
But clearly a load of the accusations are exaggerated politically correct drivel of events that happened years ago and taken way way out of context by a bitch slapped feminist media
IF he committed a crime then take it to the police and court and if guulty he will be arrested charged convicted
Why havent any of these so called brave women come forward in the last 30 years? probably because most were complicit in the flirting/sex that happened. I do not believe in trial by media or trial by twitter or facebook or by feminists...I believe in trial in a court room by law and innocent until proven guilty. Theres a zillion and one money grabbing kiss and tell women in hollywood as has been proven thousands of times...theres thousands fo false accusers, blackmailers, exaggerators trying to screw some money. IF some are legit then they have to do this through legit means and thats through the courts
The amount of biased out of context sanctimonious drivel spouted by the medie the luvvies, the actors trying to look oh so good all spouting the same thing without knowing any of the facts. all jumping on this mans grave now that hes sacked. whereas for the past 30 years theyve sucked at his teet. what a bunch of phonies. the people who dance on his grave are mostly sycophants and hypocrites. take ben affleck lol who the heck is he to moralise? who are any of them? go to court and shut the hell up
Why is this woman hating and rapist sympathizing scum allowed on this forum and this post to remain?

Absolutely vile.

[armand.kay]

If he is hot then yeah

[Smithy]

Why is this woman hating and rapist sympathizing scum allowed on this forum and this post to remain?

Absolutely vile.

[2]

[Northern Monkey]

Why is this woman hating and rapist sympathizing scum allowed on this forum and this post to remain?

Absolutely vile.

He’s not taking the sympathising with rapists route he’s taking the innocent until proven guilty route which is perfectly legit.Nobody knows if Weinstein raped anybody yet.It’s just accusations.They could be false for his cash or he could be rapist.We dont know.
Also why would you want to ban someone for having an alternative opinion?This is’nt a Berkeley University SJW safe space.Just tell him why you think he’s wrong.

[Jamie89]

He’s not taking the sympathising with rapists route he’s taking the innocent until proven guilty route which is perfectly legit.Nobody knows if Weinstein raped anybody yet.It’s just accusations.They could be false for his cash or he could be rapist.We dont know.
Also why would you want to ban someone for having an alternative opinion?This is’nt a Berkeley University SJW safe space.Just tell him why you think he’s wrong.They could be untrue but a lot of the women coming forward with stories about him are rich and successful actresses like Angelina Jolie and Gwyneth Paltrow, so I find it hard to believe they're doing it for the money. If anything they risk facing criticism for not coming forward sooner.

[Marsh.]

He’s not taking the sympathising with rapists route he’s taking the innocent until proven guilty route which is perfectly legit.Nobody knows if Weinstein raped anybody yet.It’s just accusations.They could be false for his cash or he could be rapist.We dont know.
Also why would you want to ban someone for having an alternative opinion?This is’nt a Berkeley University SJW safe space.Just tell him why you think he’s wrong.
He's not simply said innocent until proven guilty though?

Read his full posts. Misogyny and victim blaming as per.

[the truth]

Probably not but why would that be relevant? There have probably been lots of women who slept with him for parts but that doesn't nullify the accusations that he raped and sexually assaulted women who refused him, or excuse him for that if true.

the rape allegation has only just arrived , though he has not been arrested and the allegation dates back a long long time
innocent until provne guilty just like sor cliff and jimmy tarbuck and jim davidson and the 100s of other falsely accused famous men by unnamed lying gold digging women

[Northern Monkey]

They could be untrue but a lot of the women coming forward with stories about him are rich and successful actresses like Angelina Jolie and Gwyneth Paltrow, so I find it hard to believe they're doing it for the money. If anything they risk facing criticism for not coming forward sooner.

My opinion is that many actresses will have slept with him,sucked him off and let him sniff coke off their arses over the years and many Possibly wouldn’t be where they are today if they hadn’t.
It’s likely half of Hollywood did this over the years.Marilyn Monroe was apparently well known for it.
However i think power and greed probably corrupted him and he wasn’t used to being told no.When he was told no he got angry about it and he pushed it too far and did bad things he thought he could get away with or he knocked the ‘unwilling’ones back for roles.He Possibly pissed off alot of ‘unwilling’ actresses by refusing them their big break and now everyone’s coming out to trample him so they don’t look like they condone it.There’s pictures of actresses draped all over him so many were willing.
I think it’s more than likely he will be guilty of a good few cases of inappropriate behaviour or assault.
Still,Nothing’s proven yet.
Sticking with the innocent until proven guilty view is a perfectly legitimate one and doesn’t make someone a rapist sympathiser.

[Northern Monkey]

He's not simply said innocent until proven guilty though?

Read his full posts. Misogyny and victim blaming as per.

He’s not victim blaming in the post you quoted he’s saying he doesn’t know if there are any actual victims because nothing’s been proven yet.

[Marsh.]

When every post he makes is filled with hatred of women and blaming the people coming forward, yes he's a rapist sympathiser.

Innocent until proven otherwise works both ways but that doesn't seem to apply to him.

[Jamie89]

He’s not victim blaming in the post you quoted he’s saying he doesn’t know if there are any actual victims because nothing’s been proven yet.

I agree that it's fine to take the 'innocent until proven guilty' route and I generally agree with what you're saying about what probably led to his abuse (if it happened), but I think Marsh is right about The Truth's intention with his post.


All these women were so holier than thou so innocent none of them realised going up to his hotel room in the early hours could possibly lead to a kiss and a cuddle and who knows maybe a big role in a hollywood blockbuster

This is victim blaming

clearly a load of the accusations are exaggerated politically correct drivel of events that happened years ago and taken way way out of context by a bitch slapped feminist media

Claiming to know the facts of the case and that the accusers are in the wrong, without the court process being followed first... this doesn't fit in with 'innocent until proven guilty' at all.

Why havent any of these so called brave women come forward in the last 30 years? probably because most were complicit in the flirting/sex that happened.

More victim blaming (and in doing so also answers the very question he's asking)

Theres a zillion and one money grabbing kiss and tell women in hollywood as has been proven thousands of times...theres thousands fo false accusers, blackmailers, exaggerators trying to screw some money

There's also a hell of a lot of men who sexually assault women and men in power who abuse their positions, so if this ^ is an argument for why women should be discredited, then the counter argument of why they should be believed is just as valid.


The Truth isn't simply saying 'let's not judge until we know the facts', he's trying to discredit the women coming forward and he's making generic statements that put fault on women who find themselves in these situations. He's assuming the women are in the wrong without knowing the full facts and then in the next breath saying we shouldn't be judging the man involved because we don't know the full facts.
Yes he's also saying that the court process should be followed which is true and 'innocent until proven guilty' is valid, but it's very hypocritical to say that and then position the women as either liars or partly to blame - that's taking a side, so you can't do that and then complain that you feel other people are taking a side too.

[Northern Monkey]

I agree that it's fine to take the 'innocent until proven guilty' route and I generally agree with what you're saying about what probably led to his abuse (if it happened), but I think Marsh is right about The Truth's intention with his post.




This is victim blaming



Claiming to know the facts of the case and that the accusers are in the wrong, without the court process being followed first... this doesn't fit in with 'innocent until proven guilty' at all.



More victim blaming (and in doing so also answers the very question he's asking)



There's also a hell of a lot of men who sexually assault women and men in power who abuse their positions, so if this ^ is an argument for why women should be discredited, then the counter argument of why they should be believed is just as valid.


The Truth isn't simply saying 'let's not judge until we know the facts', he's trying to discredit the women coming forward and he's making generic statements that put fault on women who find themselves in these situations. He's assuming the women are in the wrong without knowing the full facts and then in the next breath saying we shouldn't be judging the man involved because we don't know the full facts.
Yes he's also saying that the court process should be followed which is true and 'innocent until proven guilty' is valid, but it's very hypocritical to say that and then position the women as either liars or partly to blame - that's taking a side, so you can't do that and then complain that you feel other people are taking a side too.
He’s not victim blaming he’s using sarcasm to throw doubt that these women weren’t complicit in any sexual activity and it’s his OPINION that they knew what they were getting into.
You can’t victim blame if you don’t think there are victims in the first place.
He can have the opinion that the guy is innocent until proven guilty which is a legal fact and have the opinion that the women are lying to stitch Weinstein up.The two don’t necessarily clash.He can think both these things at the same time.I bet many of these celebrities on Twitter believe in innocent until proven guilty too but still have opinions on what a monster Weinstein is.It’s ok to take a side and believe in due process apparently.
But none of this warrants someone being banned for their opinions.Imo.

[Marsh.]

Asking why "haven't any of these so called brave women come forward in the last 30 years" is victim blaming.

It's not sarcasm. It's pure sh*te.

Maybe the so called truth should do some research into the effects of sexual abuse and what keeps victims from coming forward.

[Northern Monkey]

Asking why "haven't any of these so called brave women come forward in the last 30 years" is victim blaming.

It's not sarcasm. It's pure sh*te.

Maybe the so called truth should do some research into the effects of sexual abuse and what keeps victims from coming forward.

In the context of his post it strikes me as sarcasm since he doubts the validity of their claims.I.E they’re not actually being brave as they are lying.

[Amy Jade]

Some of the posts here are actually disturbing :(

[Marsh.]

In the context of his post it strikes me as sarcasm since he doubts the validity of their claims.I.E they’re not actually being brave as they are lying.
So he doubts their validity but chastises others for doubting Weinstein's innocence?

Hypocritical to me. And put together with most of his posts on women, disgusting too.

[Beso]

I would wank him off.

[Marsh.]

I would wank him off.
:)

[Beso]

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[Beso]

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[Marsh.]

Nothing to smile about...im willing to masterbate a probable rapist for my cocaine and prostitutes.

:)

[Niamh.]

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/10/07/trump-weinstein-tillerson-nr-cabrera-nobles-sot.cnn
Which one of them is wrong Truth, Trump or Harvey?

[Marsh.]

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/10/07/trump-weinstein-tillerson-nr-cabrera-nobles-sot.cnn
Which one of them is wrong Truth, Trump or Harvey?

There's only one way to find out...

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[Jamie89]

A lot of people have been talking about this clip over the last few days, don't know whether she's about to come out with something or not but there's a lot of speculation given that she's worked with him a lot over the years.

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[Kazanne]

If it was Paul Newman or Robert Redford back in the day then he'll yeah.....and they could keep the fame.:joker:

:joker::joker: This was my line of thinking ,just let me pick my leading man and away we go :hehe::joker:

[Glenn.]

I’d do it for a double cheeseburger and a large strawberry milkshake

[Niamh.]

:joker::joker: This was my line of thinking ,just let me pick my leading man and away we go :hehe::joker:

Don't think it works like that Kaz.........

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[Livia]

The casting couch has been a joke since there's been a film industry and there have always been plenty of ambitious actresses who, over the years, have been willing to bend over for a great part. Sadly, that plays into the hands of males like Weinstein.

[Niamh.]

The casting couch has been a joke since there's been a film industry and there have always been plenty of ambitious actresses who, over the years, have been willing to bend over for a great part. Sadly, that plays into the hands of males like Weinstein.

Yes but I guess it's like blackmail, you don't do it and your name is blackened around Hollywood or the next girl will do etc, that's not right

[Livia]

Yes but I guess it's like blackmail, you don't do it and your name is blackened around Hollywood or the next girl will do etc, that's not right

Yes, I know that there's a lot of that too. I'm not saying it's all the fault of women, of course not... but I do believe women who've gone down that route and gone on to brilliant careers, acting, directing... have done other women a disservice. And it's not just in the film industry, that's how some women roll. Thankfully, it's a very small percentage... but they're really the enemy of other women as much as people - I can't bring myself to call him a man - like Weinstein.

And something that really pisses me off.... He's either Winestine or he's Weensteen, you can't bloody have it both ways.

[Niamh.]

Yes, I know that there's a lot of that too. I'm not saying it's all the fault of women, of course not... but I do believe women who've gone down that route and gone on to brilliant careers, acting, directing... have done other women a disservice. And it's not just in the film industry, that's how some women roll. Thankfully, it's a very small percentage... but they're really the enemy of other women as much as people - I can't bring myself to call him a man - like Weinstein.

And something that really pisses me off.... He's either Winestine or he's Weensteen, you can't bloody have it both ways.

I think all this stuff coming out can only be a good thing though, eventhough some people are complaining about it, maybe it will make it better for women in Hollywood in the future

[user104658]

And something that really pisses me off.... He's either Winestine or he's Weensteen, you can't bloody have it both ways.

But which is accurate :suspect:. I'd have said the former out loud...

[Livia]

I think all this stuff can only be a good thing though, eventhough some people are complaining about it, maybe it will make it better for women in Hollywood in the future

Oh yes... and for some men too. Except that it's all scoop and scandal. People are being named by unverified, someones unnamed sources and suddenly their career is over. No one's been tried, no one's been found guilty... Men who do stuff like Weinstein did, and I bet there are lots of them, need to be brought to account but it all needs to be done is a far more level-headed,less headline-grabbing way. That's a big ask in Hollywood though...

[Livia]

But which is accurate :suspect:. I'd have said the former out loud...

EI is pronounced eye

IE is pronounced eee

So he's Winestine... like it ot not.

[user104658]

it all needs to be done is a far more level-headed,less headline-grabbing way. That's a big ask in Hollywood though...

It seems to be a big ask in any and all situations, and everywhere, to be honest. If it's human interest then there's money to be made and plenty of people are happy to take it.

[user104658]

EI is pronounced eye

IE is pronounced eee

So he's Winestine... like it ot not.

Some people say "Winesteen" which is surely the most baffling. Like it's the same string of letters, how can it be suddenly different? Most languages don't have the same bizarre inconsistencies that English has.

[Niamh.]

EI is pronounced eye

IE is pronounced eee

So he's Winestine... like it ot not.

That's how I was pronouncing it in my head :hee:

[Livia]

That's how I was pronouncing it in my head :hee:

Well done, Niamh. Ten points to Hufflepuff.

[Niamh.]

Oh yes... and for some men too. Except that it's all scoop and scandal. People are being named by unverified, someones unnamed sources and suddenly their career is over. No one's been tried, no one's been found guilty... Men who do stuff like Weinstein did, and I bet there are lots of them, need to be brought to account but it all needs to be done is a far more level-headed,less headline-grabbing way. That's a big ask in Hollywood though...

I agree with you but the question is would it all have been brushed under the carpet easier then? But social media and I suppose the internet in general is like the wild west anyway, it's going to be hard to get a handle on it

[Livia]

I agree with you but the question is would it all have been brushed under the carpet easier then? But social media and I suppose the internet in general is like the wild west anyway, it's going to be hard to get a handle on it

I just think about the bloke who topped himself in Wales, the politician... Carl Sargeant. He was named and shamed before he even had a change to answer the allegations. It's a tough one.

[Niamh.]

I just think about the bloke who topped himself in Wales, the politician... Carl Sargeant. He was named and shamed before he even had a change to answer the allegations. It's a tough one.

Was he, had you all heard about that before he killed himself? I'm not a big follower of British politics tbh so the first i heard about it was that article that was posted here yesterday

[Livia]

Was he, had you all heard about that before he killed himself? I'm not a big follower of British politics tbh so the first i heard about it was that article that was posted here yesterday

The Welsh First Minister handled it so badly he's about to resign. The dead man's family have made a very angry statement to the press. It's all very sad...

[Vicky.]

Some people say "Winesteen" which is surely the most baffling. Like it's the same string of letters, how can it be suddenly different? Most languages don't have the same bizarre inconsistencies that English has.

Thats how I have been pronouncing it for some reason :suspect:

[bots]

The Welsh First Minister handled it so badly he's about to resign. The dead man's family have made a very angry statement to the press. It's all very sad...

i remember a few years ago when the Sun published a picture of a supposed child molester and it turned out to be the wrong picture. There has to be some responsibility taken for effectively mobilising a lynch mob on what are innocent people until found guilty in a court of law.

[user104658]

Thats how I have been pronouncing it for some reason :suspect:Probably just the first way you heard it said out loud... I've heard it pronounced that way LOADS on the news / YouTube etc

[Livia]

i remember a few years ago when the Sun published a picture of a supposed child molester and it turned out to be the wrong picture. There has to be some responsibility taken for effectively mobilising a lynch mob on what are innocent people until found guilty in a court of law.

It's a very sad state of affairs and I agree entirely.

[Niamh.]

Some people say "Winesteen" which is surely the most baffling. Like it's the same string of letters, how can it be suddenly different? Most languages don't have the same bizarre inconsistencies that English has.

Oh no hang on that's how I pronounce it actually

[Livia]

Sorry Niamh, ten points from Hufflepuff.

[Beso]

The casting couch has been a joke since there's been a film industry and there have always been plenty of ambitious actresses who, over the years, have been willing to bend over for a great part. Sadly, that plays into the hands of males like Weinstein.

Bend over for a great part.......me every valentines day to my other half.

[Livia]

Bend over for a great part.......me every valentines day to my other half.

And we all thought romance was dead..............

[Niamh.]

Sorry Niamh, ten points from Hufflepuff.

:hehe:

[user104658]

Sorry Niamh, ten points from Hufflepuff.20 surely. The original 10 removed and another 10 FOR LYING!!!!

[Livia]

20 surely. The original 10 removed and another 10 FOR LYING!!!!

When I take over the country I'd like you to be my Minister for Justice.

[Beso]

I will do sex education liv.

[user104658]

When I take over the country I'd like you to be my Minister for Justice.

Just don't make it actual Dumbledore, his Gryffindor favouritism is downright criminal.

"Slytherin is waaay ahead in points BUT I just saw one sneeze and not cover their mouth... 200 points from Slytherin. Also 500 points to Neville because I saw him pick up some litter. GRYFFINDOR WINS!"

[Niamh.]

Just don't make it actual Dumbledore, his Gryffindor favouritism is downright criminal.

"Slytherin is waaay ahead in points BUT I just saw one sneeze and not cover their mouth... 200 points from Slytherin. Also 500 points to Neville because I saw him pick up some litter. GRYFFINDOR WINS!"

:laugh:

[user104658]

I will do sex education liv.

Bend over for a great part.

:umm2:...

Also feel free to use; "I'll put my Semi in your Colon."

Though giving it thought, that would take some effort.

[Kazanne]

Don't think it works like that Kaz.........

https://the-hollywood-gossip-res.cloudinary.com/iu/s--U1zIRRq9--/t_xlarge_p/cs_srgb,f_auto,fl_strip_profile.lossy,q_auto:420/v1507303159/harvey-weinstein-snapshot.jpg

Oh,trust you to spoil my little day dream Niamh:hehe:

[Livia]

I will do sex education liv.

If that's what you're best at, Parm.



Just don't make it actual Dumbledore, his Gryffindor favouritism is downright criminal.

"Slytherin is waaay ahead in points BUT I just saw one sneeze and not cover their mouth... 200 points from Slytherin. Also 500 points to Neville because I saw him pick up some litter. GRYFFINDOR WINS!"

I knew you'd be in Slytherin............

[user104658]

If that's what you're best at, Parm.





I knew you'd be in Slytherin............The tests on facebook always have me slytherin or ravenclaw [emoji23]