17 year old girl sexually assaulted by 3 different men in an hour

[jaxie]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/13/girl-17-suffers-three-separate-sex-attacks-way-home-night/amp/

Read his appalling story this morning, the second similar story in a few months. I hope they catch every one of them. Poor girl separated from friends, may have been drugged preyed upon over and over again by casual strangers in one case three at once.

What is with this? Are a lot of men opportunist sexual predators if a vulnerable girl crosses their path? Is it just bad luck?

It makes me so angry to think this distressed girl was just preyed upon over and over.

[Nicky91]

aw poor girl this makes me feel so sad that we live in such a cruel world

[Vicky.]

http://news.met.police.uk/news/appeal-after-woman-sexually-assaulted-by-multiple-suspects-following-night-out-267602

Detectives have released images and CCTV footage of two men wanted in connection with a series of sexual assaults on a 17-year-old girl as she was making her way home from a night out in east London.

Officers believe that the victim was attacked on three separate occasions in an hour - from around 23:55hrs on Friday, 29 September up until around 00:55hrs on Saturday 30 September - after she became separated from her friends following a visit to a Tower Hamlets night club.

The student was trying to get home to central London at the time she was attacked in quick succession by suspect 1, suspect 2 and suspect 3. Detectives believe the last attacker was part of a small group.

This story is absolutely horrific. What on earth is going on in the world when 3 different guys felt the need to do this to a young girl? One attacker is bad enough, but 3, in the same area in a short time frame?

Poor kid :/

Something really needs to be done about the general attitude towards females. Yet, I bet even on this thread we get people trying to blame her. Females just...existing..seems to be a problem and enough to blame them for the actions of disgusting male people.

[Niamh.]

Poor girl. My daughter is 17 so it particularly strikes a chord with me. She is going to a concert in Dublin with her 3 friends next month which is about a 3 hour drive away from us and I'm going drive them there and wait for them because I'm too nervous about her getting from the venue back to the bus at night up there :worry:

[Vicky.]

Actually discussing this elsewhere too and someones posted this too

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/27/girl-raped-two-men-flagged-down-help-birmingham

Raped by 2 separate people in short succession

Jesus christ.

I know its customary to have the 'not all men are like that' disclaimer when discussing male violence, but I am really starting to wonder if the percentage of men who ARE like that is as low as people would like to think it is.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tower Hamlets

nuff said

[Niamh.]

Actually discussing this elsewhere too and someones posted this too

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/27/girl-raped-two-men-flagged-down-help-birmingham

Raped by 2 separate people in short succession

Jesus christ.

I know its customary to have the 'not all men are like that' disclaimer when discussing male violence, but I am really starting to wonder if the percentage of men who ARE like that is as low as people would like to think it is.

That poor kid

[Northern Monkey]

Actually discussing this elsewhere too and someones posted this too

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/27/girl-raped-two-men-flagged-down-help-birmingham

Raped by 2 separate people in short succession

Jesus christ.

I know its customary to have the 'not all men are like that' disclaimer when discussing male violence, but I am really starting to wonder if the percentage of men who ARE like that is as low as people would like to think it is.The percentage is extremely low.Most men wouldn’t dream of this.
How many men are there in the UK?32 million? 33 million?
How many of these cases are there?Probably not even 1% of the UK male population.

There are some sick bastards in the world but they are a tiny minority.

[michael21]

http://news.met.police.uk/news/appeal-after-woman-sexually-assaulted-by-multiple-suspects-following-night-out-267602



This story is absolutely horrific. What on earth is going on in the world when 3 different guys felt the need to do this to a young girl? One attacker is bad enough, but 3, in the same area in a short time frame?

Poor kid :/

Something really needs to be done about the general attitude towards females. Yet, I bet even on this thread we get people trying to blame her. Females just...existing..seems to be a problem and enough to blame them for the actions of disgusting male people.

it a sad world when this type of thing happen when male or female have a night out and drink some one need to be with them at the end of the night a friend or a family member I been on night out with girls that are friends and I always make sure there get home safe this might ne the longest post I ever done

[Vicky.]

The percentage is extremely low.Most men wouldn’t dream of this.
How many men are there in the UK?32 million? 33 million?
How many of these cases are there?Probably not even 1% of the UK male population.

There are some sick bastards in the world but they are a tiny minority.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men are raped in England and Wales alone every year; that's roughly 11 rapes (of adults alone) every hour. These figures include assaults by penetration and attempts.
Nearly half a million adults are sexually assaulted in England and Wales each year

Half a million per year for sexual assaults.


Obviously less men do this than not, but it does not seem to be the tiny minority that you would hope it was. And seems to be on the rise too :S

[Northern Monkey]

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php



Half a million per year for sexual assaults.


Obviously less men do this than not, but it does not seem to be the tiny minority that you would hope it was. And seems to be on the rise too :S

Bet it’s still not even 1% of men who are rapists.I’d say it is a very small minority.

[Vicky.]

Regardless of if its 1%, it is shocking that this has happened to this girl, and others before her. And shocking that when something like this happens the conversation turns to 'not all men are like that' and such rather than accepting this is a huge problem (even if it was 0.0000001% of men, its odd that 3 unrelated pervs of this tiny minority happened to be in the same area at the same time to take advantage, eh?) and that misogyny seems to be on the rise...

[Northern Monkey]

Regardless of if its 1%, it is shocking that this has happened to this girl, and others before her. And shocking that when something like this happens the conversation turns to 'not all men are like that' and such rather than accepting this is a huge problem (even if it was 0.0000001% of men, its odd that 3 unrelated pervs of this tiny minority happened to be in the same area at the same time to take advantage, eh?) and that misogyny seems to be on the rise...

I agree with all that.I never brought up ‘not all men’.I don’t think those statements are helpful either just like the ‘not all Muslims’ ‘not all .....’
Just responding to your statement that it’s more men than we think.I’d still think that it is a very small percentage of men would do anything like that.
I think it is terrible that this even happens once but 2-3 times in one evening is awful.
I guess it’s where you get large congregations of people in an area the chances of the sickos lurking about is higher.

[Vicky.]

I agree with all that.I never brought up ‘not all men’.I don’t think those statements are helpful either just like the ‘not all Muslims’ ‘not all .....’
Just responding to your statement that it’s more men than we think.I’d still think that it is a very small percentage of men would do anything like that.
I think it is terrible that this even happens once but 2-3 times in one evening is awful.
I guess it’s where you get large congregations of people in an area the chances of the sickos lurking about is higher.

Yes it is a small percentage I think. But still many many more than people think.

I know you didnt bring up not all men. That was in response to the thread elsewhere, where some guy was kicking up a fuss that by discussing this disgusting case, we were branding all men with the 'perv' stick. Which is odd tbh. I doubt anyone thinks all men do this...and if you are 'one of the good guys' then why take offense to people discussing those..not so good.

[DemolitionRed]

I can't imagine what that poor girl went through.

[jaxie]

I also made a thread about this, I didnt see this one at the time. Could I ask a mod to merge them please?

[Vicky.]

I also made a thread about this, I didnt see this one at the time. Could I ask a mod to merge them please?

Sorry Jaxie, didn't see yours. Specifically searched too to check before making it. Guess I went blind temporarily xD

[Beso]

Tower Hamlets

nuff said

Would never have happened 20 yrs ago.:nono:

[Marsh.]

Three completely unrelated people in one night?

What are the chances? :worry:

[user104658]

Not to head over to the dark side on this one, but as has been pointed out... This is more about the specific area, and especially the area plus time of night, than what percentage of men overall would attack someone like this.

Basically, the majority of people who are likely to be wandering around a rough area after say 10pm are going to be bad news.

I've stupidly wandered through a very bad area drunk at 1am, ONCE in my life. I've also had a knife pulled on me once in my life. Same night. It's not a coincidence... It's just a fact that in certain places, at certain times, you are at a much higher risk of attack. Not just x% more risk... But actually a jump from "miniscule risk" to "in serious danger".

[Beso]

Not to head over to the dark side on this one, but as has been pointed out... This is more about the specific area, and especially the area plus time of night, than what percentage of men overall would attack someone like this.

Basically, the majority of people who are likely to be wandering around a rough area after say 10pm are going to be bad news.

I've stupidly wandered through a very bad area drunk at 1am, ONCE in my life. I've also had a knife pulled on me once in my life. Same night. It's not a coincidence... It's just a fact that in certain places, at certain times, you are at a much higher risk of attack. Not just x% more risk... But actually a jump from "miniscule risk" to "in serious danger".

Roughly the same as me..the guy holding the knife to my face was white though....in a massively dominant white area.


That i can put up with, but the chances of a woman being raped late at night being raised to "seriously in danger" in certain areas of the uk is something that should never happen.

Its a pity everyone sighing so hard about foodbanks etc dont stand up to this.

[waterhog]

kust see it on London news website - had to flick off as so disturbing to read. poor poor poor girl. evil people out there.

[thesheriff443]

There are no go areas after dark all over the world.

Young girls that are under the age to be drinking on their own late at night and so out of it that they cant stand.

If you put yourself in a dangerous situation, chances are it will end badly.

[user104658]

Roughly the same as me..the guy holding the knife to my face was white though....in a massively dominant white area.




I didn't say that the guy wasn't white :umm2:... He was, I lived in Ayrshire (Scotland) at the time and it's basically all white. In fact it's so heavily white Protestant that even catholics are "rare". Or at least it was back then (approx. 15 years ago), I don't know what it's like these days, I don't live there now because it's a ****ing horrible place. But yeah, it was a white guy probably in his 30's, smacked off his tits and kept telling me that he had "just stabbed his brother".

That i can put up with, but the chances of a woman being raped late at night being raised to "seriously in danger" in certain areas of the uk is something that should never happen.

It's the exact same mentality though... It's all acts of violence committed by violent people who lack empathy for their victims. Granted, not every mugger is capable of sexual assault, but they're a fair bit more likely to be. And obviously it should never happen, but the horrible truth is, violent people will always exist, that risk will always be there, because human beings aren't so far divided from animals as we would like to believe. All we can really do is try to make it "safer"... It'll never be "safe".

[-Sue-]

Poor girl :( I won't argue about 'colour' as it doesn't matter what matters is this girls was put through an awful ordeal..not once but multiple times I hope each of those awful awful people are put in a rocket and sent into the sun...

[the truth]

Disgusting, did they catch this scum and lock them away?

[Cherie]

There are no go areas after dark all over the world.

Young girls that are under the age to be drinking on their own late at night and so out of it that they cant stand.

If you put yourself in a dangerous situation, chances are it will end badly.

Agree with this, it's as likely to happen in leafy burbs as it is anywhere else stumbling around drunk in any area doesn't always end well

[Beso]

Agree with this, it's as likely to happen in leafy burbs as it is anywhere else stumbling around drunk in any area doesn't always end well

This statement is false..

[Cherie]

This statement is false..

Not in my opinion :hee:

I guess you think domestic violence only occurs in certain areas as well :rolleyes:

[Cherie]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-hunt-predator-after-nine-attacks-on-girls-and-women-s2p8bkmm9



In leafy Greenwich

[user104658]

Not in my opinion :hee:

I guess you think domestic violence only occurs in certain areas as well :rolleyes:

Tbf Cherie what you said is statistically false... You can't just say that in your opinion a statistical fact isn't what it is :think:.

It's not that being attacked by a stranger doesn't ever happen in "leafy burbs" but it is far less likely than in a run down urban area.

Domestic violence is a totally separate thing, it's committed by family members and partners, and there only one risk factor: the temperament of the individual. So obviously that can happen anywhere.

[Cherie]

Tbf Cherie what you said is statistically false... You can't just say that in your opinion a statistical fact isn't what it is :think:.

It's not that being attacked by a stranger doesn't ever happen in "leafy burbs" but it is far less likely than in a run down urban area.

Domestic violence is a totally separate thing, it's committed by family members and partners, and there only one risk factor: the temperament of the individual. So obviously that can happen anywhere.

Do you have statistics to back this up, please post them otherwise this is just you airing your opinion, 3 2 1 go..

[user104658]

Do you have statistics to back this up, please post them otherwise this is just you airing your opinion, 3 2 1 go..I need to post stats to prove that the likelihood of being attacked is higher in areas with higher population density?

... Would you also like stats proving that it's more dangerous to run across a motorway than a cul-de-sac?

[Vicky.]

I need to post stats to prove that the likelihood of being attacked is higher in areas with higher population density?

... Would you also like stats proving that it's more dangerous to run across a motorway than a cul-de-sac?

I thought the implication was that you are more likely to be attacked in rundown areas than 'nicer' ones. If its all about how many people are in the area, then of course its more likely as there will be more pervs in that area.

Seems the pervs are more and more willing to come out into the open recently than hanging around on a night hoping to get lucky with some poor unsuspecting person walking past. Seems to be more stories about people being attacked in broad daylight in busy parks and stuff. Which is ****ing terrifying tbh. Not that anyone should 'expect it' but you REALLY do not expect to be raped in the middle of a park in the middle of the day

[Cherie]

]I thought the implication was that you are more likely to be attacked in rundown areas than 'nicer' ones.[/B] If its all about how many people are in the area, then of course its more likely as there will be more pervs in that area.

Seems the pervs are more and more willing to come out into the open recently than hanging around on a night hoping to get lucky with some poor unsuspecting person walking past. Seems to be more stories about people being attacked in broad daylight in busy parks and stuff. Which is ****ing terrifying tbh. Not that anyone should 'expect it' but you REALLY do not expect to be raped in the middle of a park in the middle of the day

Yes this was what I read from the posts as well Vicky, I didn't think I would need to spell out on a similar population size you would be just as likely to be attacked in a "nicer area", of course in a more densely populated area you will get more attacks but if you break it down by population size the figure wouldn't differ that much.

[Cal.]

This is really playing on my mind. Poor girl.

[Marsh.]

I would've thought the density thing is obvious. The reason why major cities with enormous population densities like London will have far higher volumes of all types of people including criminals than a small town. But then because places like that are so large and varied it's attractive for criminals, especially the likes of drug dealers. So even then the percentage overall may be higher than in smaller areas.

[Niamh.]

Back ontopic please

[user104658]

of course in a more densely populated area you will get more attacks but if you break it down by population size the figure wouldn't differ that much.

Thats true but because it's about density and not just numbers, more people (and therefore more criminals) in a smaller area increases the likelihood that at any one time in that area, you are at higher risk. Though as Marsh says, it's also possible that there will be a higher proportion attracted to those areas simply because there are more people to prey on, and because it's much easier to disappear after committing a crime in a more populated area. E.g. In a quiet out of the way village, if someone gives a physical description of someone to the police then they can narrow that down quite quickly if it's someone from the area, and if it's someone from outwith the area people are more likely to have noticed them. In highly populated areas if you give a physical description, most likely it could apply to hundreds if not thousands of people, and finding the one you're looking for becomes less likely. The anonymity aspect, feeling less likely to get caught, can be a big part of whether someone who is predisposed to assaulting someone actually goes through with it.

And the really awful part of that is... In the majority of these random attacks, if it's a one off opportunistic attack, the attacker is never caught or identified. Also quite likely that they've done it before.

[Niamh.]

Closed for cleaning, can you get back ontopic please (eachother isn't the topic)