Women jailed for 10 years for false rape allegations

[the truth]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/24/woman-jailed-10-years-false-rape-claims-jemma-beale

A story youd never get to see on the radical feminist BBC

[Ashley.]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/24/woman-jailed-10-years-false-rape-claims-jemma-beale

A story youd never get to see on the radical feminist BBC

The BBC reported this exact case two months ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41037826

[Cal.]

Not more than an actual rapist would get on average

Anyway glad she got brought to justice lying cow

[Niamh.]

Good, cases like this make it harder for genuine victims to come out and give ammunition to assholes who hate women.

Awful thing to accuse an innocent person of, life destroying

[Oliver_W]

All proven cases of false allegations should be heavily punished.

People whinge that this would make victims of rape less likely to come forward, in case they get punished, which is why I say proven cases of false allegations. If there is simply no evidence that the rape happened, then neither should be punished, rather than acting like it's a false allegation.

[DemolitionRed]

Glad the truth was revealed but the poor man who spent years in prison can't be compensated for loss of freedom.

[Toy Soldier]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/24/woman-jailed-10-years-false-rape-claims-jemma-beale

A story youd never get to see on the radical feminist BBCThe BBC reported this exact case two months ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41037826:facepalm:

[Marsh.]

More crap from you.

[Brillopad]

Glad the truth was revealed but the poor man who spent years in prison can't be compensated for loss of freedom.

Neither can the poor women psychologically scarred for life when vile rapists repeatedly go free.

I am not in any way justifying what she did but I would bet there have been a lot more victims resulting from the latter rather than the former.

[the truth]

Good, cases like this make it harder for genuine victims to come out and give ammunition to assholes who hate women.

Awful thing to accuse an innocent person of, life destroying

100% agree

[the truth]

The BBC reported this exact case two months ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41037826

Hidden away on regional news, didnt make the national....Neither did 1000s of other women who faked rape allegations that destoyed so many lives

[the truth]

Studies are rarely dont on these horrific false allegations and the women usually get off scot free....But an FBI Uniform Crime Report in 1996 and the United States Department of Justice in 1997 found at least 8% of allegations were totally fake make up and false allegations. It didnt state how many of the liars went to prison

[Ashley.]

Hidden away on regional news, didnt make the national....Neither did 1000s of other women who faked rape allegations that destoyed so many lives

Yes it did...

[Firewire]

More crap from you.

:joker:

[Vicky.]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/24/woman-jailed-10-years-false-rape-claims-jemma-beale

A story youd never get to see on the radical feminist BBC

The BBC reported this exact case two months ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41037826

Hidden away on regional news, didnt make the national....Neither did 1000s of other women who faked rape allegations that destoyed so many lives

Thousands of other women? Do you have proof of that?

Seems the BBC did report on it. You expect this to make the TV news or something? How many cases get on the TV where men did rape women? Only when the case is highly unusual, like the woman attacked by 3 blokes in an hour, I expect that might be on the 'proper' news, as its proof that disgusting men are not quite as rare as we think they are...

This story was actually in the magazine I buy. This week.

Good, cases like this make it harder for genuine victims to come out and give ammunition to assholes who hate women.

Awful thing to accuse an innocent person of, life destroying

Agree 100%. Except for the making it harder for genuine victims to come forward bit, which I will explain later

Disgusting woman

This rare cases will be used by certain people to 'prove' that women lie often about rape, which is absolute bollocks tbh.

Yes a few women will do this. But there are hundred of 'real' rapes to every false one.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jemma-beale-woman-lie-about-rape-ten-years-in-prison-not-all-woman-liars-not-all-men-rapists-a7912766.html

One woman’s lies do not justify the discrediting of all future rape victims. Anyone who thinks otherwise is looking for a way to make rape appear far more rare than it actually is. I can’t help feeling those people are the ones we should treat with the most suspicion of all.

Thousands upon thousands of men lie about rape. Nearly every convicted rapist will say they did not rape. Noone seems to question the mens lies...why? Why do these men lying about rape not stop genuine victims coming forwards?

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Rape myths are disgusting. The fact that some go around saying 'many' women just have sex then regret it and 'cry rape'...what is their agenda eh? Why would a woman who simply regretted sex go through the physical examinations, intense personal questions and everything? They just wouldn't. If they regretted sleeping with someone, they would simply try to forget it. Not drag it out for months in court, have their entire sexual history questioned etc.

Not many victims come forwards, as the rate of prosecution for rapists is very low. As near all rapists lie about raping. Its nothing to do with one rare case of a woman lying. And yes, it is one case...I don't remember when the last case of a false rape claim was? Yet 85000 people are actually raped every year. Men and women.

[Vicky.]

Studies are rarely dont on these horrific false allegations and the women usually get off scot free....But an FBI Uniform Crime Report in 1996 and the United States Department of Justice in 1997 found at least 8% of allegations were totally fake make up and false allegations. It didnt state how many of the liars went to prison

Proven false allegations? If they were actually proven, the people who said they were raped but it was actually proven they weren't would definitely get sentenced. As they are wasting police/court time. Some people (mainly men( think that if someone withdraws their complaint, that is proof they lied. It is not. Some think that just because the accused gets off without a sentence, that is proof the woman lied, its not.

Studies are rarely done on the 85000 actual rapes that happen every year either, why are you not up in arms about that? How many actual rapists get off scot free? No frothing about that either oddly enough...


I am searching for this figure that you are stating...and all I can find is that only 6% of rapists are actually sent to prison? Which is also disgusting if true..

[Vicky.]

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

109 women prosectuted for false rape claims, in 5 years. Ah I see. 98 of these involved prosecutions for perverting the course of justice, rather than the lesser charge of wasting police time.

So 109 false claims in 5 years equals 22 or so every year.

22 false claims to 3629 prosecutions for rape. Yeah, false claims are really an epidemic, eh? False claims are what we should be getting angry about? Not the fact that 3629 men raped people (both men and women)

3629 are only those actually prosecuted too. Rapists regularly get off because there is not enough evidence, or they lie through their teeth about consent, or the complainant withdraws the complaint (which does NOT mean they lied) and many more reasons. But its fair to go with actual prosecutions, which cannot be argued against.

[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

109 women prosectuted for false rape claims, in 5 years. Ah I see. 98 of these involved prosecutions for perverting the course of justice, rather than the lesser charge of wasting police time.

So 109 false claims in 5 years equals 22 or so every year.

22 false claims to 3629 prosecutions for rape. Yeah, false claims are really an epidemic, eh? False claims are what we should be getting angry about? Not the fact that 3629 men raped people (both men and women)

3629 are only those actually prosecuted too. Rapists regularly get off because there is not enough evidence, or they lie through their teeth about consent, or the complainant withdraws the complaint (which does NOT mean they lied) and many more reasons. But its fair to go with actual prosecutions, which cannot be argued against.

That was my point exactly. There is no comparison so why do people make such a big fuss about a minority of women who make false claims which is minuscule compared to the amount of men who rape. Madness. PC once again.

[Kizzy]

The media chooses to focus on this minority in the hope of turning public opinion, there is a rape epidemic and no mistake, it is not taken nearly as seriously as it should be imo.

'Rapists are among hundreds of sex offenders in London only given cautions for their crimes, new figures have revealed.

The revelations have prompted criticism from women’s rights campaigners, who said it was always in the public interest to bring charges against sex offenders.

There were 1,115 cautions for sexual offences – including 16 for rape – handed down in the capital between 2012 and last year, responses to Freedom of Information requests by the Evening Standard showed.'

'Ministry of Justice guidance says that while cautions are available for any offence, they are “primarily intended for low level, mainly first-time offending”.

Police cautions are not convictions, but they require an admission of guilt. They can still appear on criminal records checks and offenders are made to sign the Sex Offenders Register.'

'Reports of sexual abuse have risen sharply in recent years, with alleged sex crimes and domestic abuse offences now comprising 20 per cent of all cases pursued by the CPS.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sex-offenders-rapists-london-crown-prosecution-service-metropolitan-police-a8000236.html

[Marsh.]

Hidden away on regional news, didnt make the national....Neither did 1000s of other women who faked rape allegations that destoyed so many lives
Thousands?

Are you a deliberate parody?

[Vicky.]

The media chooses to focus on this minority in the hope of turning public opinion, there is a rape epidemic and no mistake, it is not taken nearly as seriously as it should be imo.

'Rapists are among hundreds of sex offenders in London only given cautions for their crimes, new figures have revealed.

The revelations have prompted criticism from women’s rights campaigners, who said it was always in the public interest to bring charges against sex offenders.

There were 1,115 cautions for sexual offences – including 16 for rape – handed down in the capital between 2012 and last year, responses to Freedom of Information requests by the Evening Standard showed.'

'Ministry of Justice guidance says that while cautions are available for any offence, they are “primarily intended for low level, mainly first-time offending”.

Police cautions are not convictions, but they require an admission of guilt. They can still appear on criminal records checks and offenders are made to sign the Sex Offenders Register.'

'Reports of sexual abuse have risen sharply in recent years, with alleged sex crimes and domestic abuse offences now comprising 20 per cent of all cases pursued by the CPS.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sex-offenders-rapists-london-crown-prosecution-service-metropolitan-police-a8000236.html

Indeed. yet some focus on the vanishingly small number of false claims, all of which get prosecuted.

If all rapists were prosecuted properly, our jails would be overflowing even more than they are now.

Caution for rape..ffs. Its pathetic.

[Vicky.]

Thousands?

Are you a deliberate parody?

TBF to thetruth, it would be 'thousand's, if you were meaning over 50 years or something. Over 50 years, using the figures we have, would be 1,100 people lying about rape.

The amount of people prosecuted for rape in that same time, would be 181,450 though. But of course that doesn't matter eh...no need to get all angry about that

Maybe it would help the cause, to point out that those prosecuted for rape are prosecuted for rape of both males and females? Its not always females that are the victims. Maybe knowing its males too will stop certain people focusing their anger in the wrong place...

Its always males that are the attackers though, in these cases. As 'rape' in UK law, requires a penis. Just getting that in before its claimed that thousands of the rapists are female.

[Marsh.]

I discovered that from watching Liar on TV that a penis needs to be inserted without consent in the vagina, anus or mouth to be classed as rape and anything else is classed as a lesser sexual assault.

I think it's actually quite barbaric and it needs to be changed so that at least the penetration of anything inside someone else is rape. It is what it is imo.

[Vicky.]

I discovered that from watching Liar on TV that a penis needs to be inserted without consent in the vagina, anus or mouth to be classed as rape and anything else is classed as a lesser sexual assault.

I think it's actually quite barbaric and it needs to be changed so that at least the penetration of anything inside someone else is rape. It is what it is imo.

Rape with an object comes under 'sexual assault by penetration' and the sentences are the same as they are for rape. Infact rape with an object is much more likely to result in a conviction, as the person who did it can't really claim that it was consensual and lie their ass off as noone would consent to, for example, a broken bottle shoved into their anus.

If someone is prosecuted for rape, they are a male. No doubt about it. Given how our laws work. Which is why its so annoying to see the endless stories in the press about 'woman prosecuted for rape' when one look at the photo tells you its a bloke who dresses up as a woman. Or just a bloke who has told people he is a woman and its been reported as that on nothing.

[the truth]

ONLY 5.7% of accusations lead to convictions out of around 200,000 accusations a year
That means 94.3% do not have enough evidence or are simply lies ? 94.3% of 200,000 is 188000 allegations with no evidence
188000? The whole business of victim mentality and fake accusations is a particularly feminine issue. Men have massively lower rates of false allegations.
As reported 8% in the usa in a year were proven false which is over 50,000 per annum known liars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

now before the false outrage begind, rape is disgusting rapists are vile and should be locked away for a very long time. we all agree on that. But false alelgations are also vile and disgusting and under reported. The fact 8% are proven liars destroying 50,000 lives a year is a massive issue which destroys everything. the innocents lives and their families. It waste billions of tax payers money across the usa the uk and around the western world. It destroys confidence in rape claimants. The sheer enormity of numbers of women making fake false ro vastly exaggerated accusations is extraordinary, especially in the case of famous men where often they seek attention and money.
It is clearly an epidemic and both sides must be reported before this bankrupts our police service and destroys more innocent men and their families and also destroys the chances of real rape victims chances of getting justice

[Tom4784]

As the stats have shown, genuine cases of false claims like this one are quite rare. I'm glad she got convicted but I hate how stories like this can have the opposite effect and make people less likely to seek justice for rape for fear of being accused of lying.

[Vicky.]

ONLY 5.7% of accusations lead to convictions out of around 200,000 accusations a year
That means 94.3% do not have enough evidence or are simply lies ? 94.3% of 200,000 is 188000 allegations with no evidence
188000? The whole business of victim mentality and fake accusations is a particularly feminine issue. Men have massively lower rates of false allegations.
As reported 8% in the usa in a year were proven false which is over 50,000 per annum known liars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

now before the false outrage begind, rape is disgusting rapists are vile and should be locked away for a very long time. we all agree on that. But false alelgations are also vile and disgusting and under reported. The fact 8% are proven liars destroying 50,000 lives a year is a massive issue which destroys everything. the innocents lives and their families. It waste billions of tax payers money across the usa the uk and around the western world. It destroys confidence in rape claimants. The sheer enormity of numbers of women making fake false ro vastly exaggerated accusations is extraordinary, especially in the case of famous men where often they seek attention and money.
It is clearly an epidemic and both sides must be reported before this bankrupts our police service and destroys more innocent men and their families and also destroys the chances of real rape victims chances of getting justice

Not having enough evidence does not mean the woman lied. But of course you would think it does.

Where does this 8% figure come from? I already asked this as I could not find it.

Its not as much of an epidemic as the amount of males who rape and sexually assault, yet for some odd reason I don't see you getting all worked up about that?

You focus on men getting their families and lives destroyed, yet I see nothing about how a male raping someone (male or female) also destroys lives.

You also seem to assume, that those done for rape, are always done for raping women. This is not the case at all.

https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations/

Let’s start with the idea that false rape accusations ruin lives, and are therefore a universal risk to men. Generally, feminists dismiss this idea by arguing that false accusations are rare—only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false. What’s equally important to know, however, is that false rape accusations almost never have serious consequences.

It’s exceedingly rare for a false rape allegation to end in prison time. This may be hard to believe, especially considering that rape is a felony, punishable with years of prison. However—to start with this worst-case scenario—it’s exceedingly rare for a false rape allegation to end in prison time. According to the National Registry of Exonerations, since records began in 1989, in the US there are only 52 cases where men convicted of sexual assault were exonerated because it turned out they were falsely accused. By way of comparison, in the same period, there are 790 cases in which people were exonerated for murder.

Furthermore, in the most detailed study ever conducted of sexual assault reports to police, undertaken for the British Home Office in the early 2000s, out of 216 complaints that were classified as false, only 126 had even gotten to the stage where the accuser lodged a formal complaint. Only 39 complainants named a suspect. Only six cases led to an arrest, and only two led to charges being brought before they were ultimately deemed false. (Here, as elsewhere, it has to be assumed that some unknown percentage of the cases classified as false actually involved real rapes; what they don’t involve is countless innocent men’s lives being ruined.)

So the evidence suggests that even in the rare case where a man is the subject of a false rape complaint, chances are that the charges will be dropped without him ever learning about the allegations. This raises an obvious question: Why would false accusers go through the trouble of making a report to police, only to instantly withdraw it?

I hope this makes you feel better about those 'thousands' of innocent male lives being ruined truth. Maybe now we can focus anger at the thousands of males who DO actually rape other people (again, male and female)

Its actually interesting, that there are more false murder charges, than false sexual assault charges...52 cases in nearly 30 years where a male was falsely imprisoned for rape. Versus 709 people ion the same time that were falsely imprisoned for murder.

[the truth]

Not having enough evidence does not mean the woman lied. But of course you would think it does.

Where does this 8% figure come from? I already asked this as I could not find it.

Its not as much of an epidemic as the amount of males who rape and sexually assault, yet for some odd reason I don't see you getting all worked up about that?

You focus on men getting their families and lives destroyed, yet I see nothing about how a male raping someone (male or female) also destroys lives.

You also seem to assume, that those done for rape, are always done for raping women. This is not the case at all.

https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations/





I hope this makes you feel better about those 'thousands' of innocent male lives being ruined truth. Maybe now we can focus anger at the thousands of males who DO actually rape other people (again, male and female)

Its actually interesting, that there are more false murder charges, than false sexual assault charges...52 cases in nearly 30 years where a male was falsely imprisoned for rape. Versus 709 people ion the same time that were falsely imprisoned for murder.

Ive given you this twice already
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

in the United States, the FBI Uniform Crime Report in 1996 and the United States Department of Justice in 1997 reported that 8% of accusations for forcible rape had been through investigation determined to be false

8% to be known false cases is a staggering amount, tens of thousands of innocent people and their families destroyed by lies and gossip

[the truth]

As the stats have shown, genuine cases of false claims like this one are quite rare. I'm glad she got convicted but I hate how stories like this can have the opposite effect and make people less likely to seek justice for rape for fear of being accused of lying.

That is simply untrue

[Vicky.]

Ive given you this twice already
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

in the United States, the FBI Uniform Crime Report in 1996 and the United States Department of Justice in 1997 reported that 8% of accusations for forcible rape had been through investigation determined to be false

8% to be known false cases is a staggering amount, tens of thousands of innocent people and their families destroyed by lies and gossip

Ah right Wikipedia. Sorry :S

Apparently false claims are estimated at between 2 and 10% so I am willing to take your 8%

Are you willing to read the link I posted, about how only 52 men, since 1989, were imprisoned for false accusations of sexual assault (accusers both male and female)

Or are you just going to continue saying that thousands of innocent male lives are ruined, when all evidence shows this is not the case?

That is simply untrue

They are astonishingly rare. Especially to get to a court room with a false allegation. And especially compared to the number of men who do actually rape (again, these men rape both men and women)

2 false cases a year make it to the court stage. And even with these 2 cases, its not to be assumed that the person complaining (does not state if male or female, could be either) was actually raped and just accused the wrong person.

But yeah, 2 cases a year. Not exactly the epidemic that you claim. 6 a year arrested, is not an epidemic either (though obviously it would be best if they were not arrested if they did not commit a crime...but all crimes a few people will get accused when they did not do it). Compared to the thousands upon thousands of males that DID rape. But the few false claims are apparently the epidemic, not male violence.

[Marsh.]

Rape with an object comes under 'sexual assault by penetration' and the sentences are the same as they are for rape. Infact rape with an object is much more likely to result in a conviction, as the person who did it can't really claim that it was consensual and lie their ass off as noone would consent to, for example, a broken bottle shoved into their anus.

If someone is prosecuted for rape, they are a male. No doubt about it. Given how our laws work. Which is why its so annoying to see the endless stories in the press about 'woman prosecuted for rape' when one look at the photo tells you its a bloke who dresses up as a woman. Or just a bloke who has told people he is a woman and its been reported as that on nothing.
Bloody hell. I knew law was one hell of a dense subject but my god I can't keep track. [emoji23]

[the truth]

Not having enough evidence does not mean the woman lied. But of course you would think it does.

Where does this 8% figure come from? I already asked this as I could not find it.

Its not as much of an epidemic as the amount of males who rape and sexually assault, yet for some odd reason I don't see you getting all worked up about that?

You focus on men getting their families and lives destroyed, yet I see nothing about how a male raping someone (male or female) also destroys lives.

You also seem to assume, that those done for rape, are always done for raping women. This is not the case at all.

https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations/





I hope this makes you feel better about those 'thousands' of innocent male lives being ruined truth. Maybe now we can focus anger at the thousands of males who DO actually rape other people (again, male and female)

Its actually interesting, that there are more false murder charges, than false sexual assault charges...52 cases in nearly 30 years where a male was falsely imprisoned for rape. Versus 709 people ion the same time that were falsely imprisoned for murder.


what you are saying here is also untrue and ignores the FACT 94% of rape accusations are chucked out for little or no evidence or siimply proven to be lies delusions or made up. 94% is a staggering figure which is of 188,000 innocent men falsely accused per year , their lives destryed by lies and gossip. 188,000 per year in the UK alone. Now you choose to ignore that as you choose to look at this purely from the female perspective which is cold and cruel and simply dishonest. Yes out of the 188000 thrown out I am certan there are thousands who are guilty but there isnt enough evidence. but in a civilies society you must have evidence and it must go through the courts otherwise what do we have? anarchy? trial by gossip ? trial by media by twitter? by facebook? a kangaroo court when men get beaten up or killed or gossip spread by false accusers?

how would you feel if you or your loved ones were falsely accused your reputations and lives destroyed by a woman who simply lied? exaggerated? maybe through revenge or delusions or mental health issues etc etc etc
The other side of this is NOT being fully reported in this dumbed down black or white politically correct radically feminized culture

[Vicky.]

what you are saying here is also untrue and ignores the FACT 94% of rape accusations are chucked out for little or no evidence or siimply proven to be lies delusions or made up. 94% is a staggering figure which is of 188,000 innocent men falsely accused per year , their lives destryed by lies and gossip. 188,000 per year in the UK alone. Now you choose to ignore that as you choose to look at this purely from the female perspective which is cold and cruel and simply dishonest. Yes out of the 188000 thrown out I am certan there are thousands who are guilty but there isnt enough evidence. but in a civilies society you must have evidence and it must go through the courts otherwise what do we have? anarchy? trial by gossip ? trial by media by twitter? by facebook? a kangaroo court when men get beaten up or killed or gossip spread by false accusers?

how would you feel if you or your loved ones were falsely accused your reputations and lives destroyed by a woman who simply lied? exaggerated? maybe through revenge or delusions or mental health issues etc etc etc
The other side of this is NOT being fully reported in this dumbed down black or white politically correct radically feminized culture
Thats a no then. A no to looking at proven evidence. Great and unsurprising.

Again, not enough evidence does not mean that the allegation was false. And if something was proven to be lies/delusion the accuser would be prosecuted.

I just refuse to believe the ridiculous rape myths that claim that women who just regret having sex will 'cry rape', given they would be subjecting themselves to internal exams, very personal questions and likely their entire sexual history being dragged up in court as some kind of defense, because of course if a woman has had sex in the past that means that she is always available for sex. Someone who regretted having sex would just want to forget all about it, not drag it out for months and months and let the world know about it.

Again, you say 94% are chucked out with no evidence which means the person made it up and it was proven. If this is the case, why are more people not done for wasting police time? 109 women in 5 years were done for this as their claims were proven false. Do you really think that the court, the police and such just 'let them off' in false claims? They seem to take them very seriously given ALL women who were done for this were prosecuted. Infact, being proven to have a false claim seems to be taken even more seriously than actually raping someone.

Any woman who lies about this is an utter twat and deserves a long sentence. But I also think the same of men who do rape, of which there are thousands more of them.

[Marsh.]

False allegations are under reported?

What does that even mean?

[thesheriff443]

Liars come in both sexes.

[Brillopad]

Thats a no then. A no to looking at proven evidence. Great and unsurprising.

Again, not enough evidence does not mean that the allegation was false. And if something was proven to be lies/delusion the accuser would be prosecuted.

I just refuse to believe the ridiculous rape myths that claim that women who just regret having sex will 'cry rape', given they would be subjecting themselves to internal exams, very personal questions and likely their entire sexual history being dragged up in court as some kind of defense, because of course if a woman has had sex in the past that means that she is always available for sex. Someone who regretted having sex would just want to forget all about it, not drag it out for months and months and let the world know about it.

Again, you say 94% are chucked out with no evidence which means the person made it up and it was proven. If this is the case, why are more people not done for wasting police time? 109 women in 5 years were done for this as their claims were proven false. Do you really think that the court, the police and such just 'let them off' in false claims? They seem to take them very seriously given ALL women who were done for this were prosecuted. Infact, being proven to have a false claim seems to be taken even more seriously than actually raping someone.

Any woman who lies about this is an utter twat and deserves a long sentence. But I also think the same of men who do rape, of which there are thousands more of them.

Not to mention this is not the 1950s - why would a woman be concerned about regretting having sex to the point she made a false allegation. There is no shame in women making such mistakes any more. If you have regrets you just move on. What’s done is done.

[Marsh.]

Liars come in both sexes.
Obviously. But the figures when it comes to specifically lying about rape speak for themselves.

[thesheriff443]

Was once sat in court at the back, were can be a member of the public, and a man faced a charge of putting his hand in a woman's vagina

[Vicky.]

Not to mention this is not the 1950s - why would a woman be concerned about regretting having sex to the point she made a false allegation. There is no shame in women making such mistakes any more. If you have regrets you just move on. What’s done is done.

Exactly. Its just a ridiculous myth that some like to spread around as if its fact.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/docs/cps-vawg-report-2017.pdf

Some good reading for anyone interested. It seems for violence (including sexual violence) against women and girls...the prosecution rate is improving. About ****ing time. 6% of rape cases being prosecuted is ridiculous, though I understand if its a 'he said she said' case then it should not really be in court. Luckily, it usually isn't and cases that get to court tend to have significant evidence behind them.

[Marsh.]

Not to mention this is not the 1950s - why would a woman be concerned about regretting having sex to the point she made a false allegation. There is no shame in women making such mistakes any more. If you have regrets you just move on. What’s done is done.
This tbh. I'd imaging the only people who lie about something like this are the people who have specific vendettas against the people they accuse.

Rather than just regretting a one night stand.

[Vicky.]

Obviously. But the figures when it comes to specifically lying about rape speak for themselves.

Yes, many many more males lie about raping, than people lie about being raped. Males are raped too so they can be included in the 'accusers' stats. I doubt many males lie about being raped either, probably about the same amount as females who lie. All in all, many more males lie about rape than anyone else.

[thesheriff443]

Obviously. But the figures when it comes to specifically lying about rape speak for themselves.

We don't know the true figures, I said in another thread a friend was falsely accused of rape, you can get paid thousands if your are a victim of crime

[Marsh.]

Is that 6% of rape cases that make it to court result in a prosecution or 6% of reports lead to a conviction?

[the truth]

Thats a no then. A no to looking at proven evidence. Great and unsurprising.

Again, not enough evidence does not mean that the allegation was false. And if something was proven to be lies/delusion the accuser would be prosecuted.

I just refuse to believe the ridiculous rape myths that claim that women who just regret having sex will 'cry rape', given they would be subjecting themselves to internal exams, very personal questions and likely their entire sexual history being dragged up in court as some kind of defense, because of course if a woman has had sex in the past that means that she is always available for sex. Someone who regretted having sex would just want to forget all about it, not drag it out for months and months and let the world know about it.

Again, you say 94% are chucked out with no evidence which means the person made it up and it was proven. If this is the case, why are more people not done for wasting police time? 109 women in 5 years were done for this as their claims were proven false. Do you really think that the court, the police and such just 'let them off' in false claims? They seem to take them very seriously given ALL women who were done for this were prosecuted. Infact, being proven to have a false claim seems to be taken even more seriously than actually raping someone.

Any woman who lies about this is an utter twat and deserves a long sentence. But I also think the same of men who do rape, of which there are thousands more of them.
Its a yes I have provided you proof and evidence and links but you like to ignore proof evidence you prefer to listen to listen and believe and spread unsubstantiated vile gossip

[Marsh.]

We don't know the true figures, I said in another thread a friend was falsely accused of rape, you can get paid thousands if your are a victim of crime
Meaning?

[Vicky.]

This tbh. I'd imaging the only people who lie about something like this are the people who have specific vendettas against the people they accuse.

Rather than just regretting a one night stand.

Most false claims are actually made by someone other than the person who was 'raped'. For example parents reporting rape if their teen has been caught having sex.

The rest seem to be mainly mentally ill people. Along with a few who do it for monetary gain (as apparently being victim of a crime you can get compo)

Though even with this, the numbers who lie are very small. They should not exist at all, but there are false claims in all areas of law. When someone claims they were burgled, and it turns out it was false, there is not cries of 'this will stop genuine victims coming forward'. Same if someone lies that they were attacked in the street. Why is it so different with rape?

[Vicky.]

We don't know the true figures, I said in another thread a friend was falsely accused of rape, you can get paid thousands if your are a victim of crime

We do, as the police have given them :laugh:
Is that 6% of rape cases that make it to court result in a prosecution or 6% of reports lead to a conviction?

I think its 6% of reports that lead to a conviction.Not sure how many make it to court.

Its a yes I have provided you proof and evidence and links but you like to ignore proof evidence you prefer to listen to listen and believe and spread unsubstantiated vile gossip
You have not provided me with proof at all? You gave me a wikipedia link, which can be edited by anyone but I already said I am willing to believe it?

How the hell am I spreading unsubstantiated vile gossip...my links have been from the bloody police themselves, or reports containing the police evidence :laugh: Are you saying you believe the police are also in on this 'epidemic' and are hiding the true figures as they are vile feminists?

Again WHY no anger at the thousands upon thousands of males who have been convicted of rape? Why focus on the small number of females (and males) who lie about rape?

[the truth]

We do, as the police have given them :laugh:


I think its 6% of reports that lead to a conviction.Not sure how many make it to court.


You have not provided me with proof at all? You gave me a wikipedia link, which can be edited by anyone but I already said I am willing to believe it?

How the hell am I spreading unsubstantiated vile gossip...my links have been from the bloody police themselves, or reports containing the police evidence :laugh: Are you saying you believe the police are also in on this 'epidemic' and are hiding the true figures as they are vile feminists?

Again WHY no anger at the thousands upon thousands of males who have been convicted of rape? Why focus on the small number of females (and males) who lie about rape?
I have provided anger at the vile male rapists and I have provided evidence on both sides. you choose to ignore the 188000 cases thrown out and the thousands of false allegations because of your bias and lack of empathy compassion for these 100s of thousands of falsely accused male victims across the western world
The bias against men is in your head sadly and you choose to ignore the evidence of 100s of thousands of false or massively exaggerated allegations made by dishonest or vindictive or in some cases mentally disturbed women
Unlike you I have empathy for all victims, regardless of gender or gender bias, empathy for victims of rape and victims of false allegations of rape.

[Vicky.]

I have provided anger at the vile male rapists and I have provided evidence on both sides. you choose to ignore the 188000 cases thrown out and the thousands of false allegations because of your bias

Which does not mean it was a false claim.

There are not thousands of false allegations. This is all in your head.

[thesheriff443]

We do, as the police have given them :laugh:


I think its 6% of reports that lead to a conviction.Not sure how many make it to court.


You have not provided me with proof at all? You gave me a wikipedia link, which can be edited by anyone but I already said I am willing to believe it?

How the hell am I spreading unsubstantiated vile gossip...my links have been from the bloody police themselves, or reports containing the police evidence :laugh: Are you saying you believe the police are also in on this 'epidemic' and are hiding the true figures as they are vile feminists?

Again WHY no anger at the thousands upon thousands of males who have been convicted of rape? Why focus on the small number of females (and males) who lie about rape?
What the police say don't mean a lot to me, like cases that get dropped as people change their minds

[Tom4784]

Rape is difficult to prove and being unable to take a case to court or not having enough evidence to prove someone's guilt isn't proof of the victim lying. It's a vile attitude to have and presenting failed cases as an argument that victims lying about rape is some sort of epidemic is disgusting.

[Vicky.]

I have provided anger at the vile male rapists and I have provided evidence on both sides. you choose to ignore the 188000 cases thrown out and the thousands of false allegations because of your bias and lack of empathy compassion for these 100s of thousands of falsely accused male victims across the western world
The bias against men is in your head sadly and you choose to ignore the evidence of 100s of thousands of false or massively exaggerated allegations made by dishonest or vindictive or in some cases mentally disturbed women
Unlike you I have empathy for all victims, regardless of gender or gender bias, empathy for victims of rape and victims of false allegations of rape.

Didn't see edit til now

There are not 100s of thousands of false or exaggerated allegations though. If there were I would be just as angry at them as those who rape. As it happens, those who lie are a small minority, and it IS thousands upon thousands of males who rape, so whilst I am angry at false accusers, I am also angry at the males who rape in large numbers. Something you don't seem to be as your entire focus is on false accusations.

[Marsh.]

It astounds me how people can think this way.

So jaded.

[Vicky.]

SIX males a year are arrested for false rape claims. 2 of those make it to court.

How is this an epidemic, when 3000+ cases are proven true and the rapist sentenced?

People may be falsely accused, but they don't even find out about it as the case is thrown out. Some cases are dropped too, again, before the male ever finds out about the report. Dropping a case does not mean the accuser was not raped, cases can be dropped for a variety of reasons. But again, lives are not ruined as no arrests have been made, except the 6.

Yes, these 6 men a year arrested is bad...but again, its 6, versus thousands who are actually proven to be raped. Only 2 falsely accused people ever see a courtroom.

[the truth]

Didn't see edit til now

There are not 100s of thousands of false or exaggerated allegations though. If there were I would be just as angry at them as those who rape. As it happens, those who lie are a small minority, and it IS thousands upon thousands of males who rape, so whilst I am angry at false accusers, I am also angry at the males who rape in large numbers. Something you don't seem to be as your entire focus is on false accusations.

There are 188000 accusations thrown out of court every year in the UK , staggering figure. a figure that points to 2 things, the sheer volume of sexual harassment and rapes which si vile and disgusting but also the sheer number of false accusations. the sheer number as a proportion of fake claims against rich celebrities is incredibly high too

[Vicky.]

There are 188000 accusations thrown out of court every year in the UK , staggering figure. a figure that points to 2 things, the sheer volume of sexual harassment and rapes which si vile and disgusting but also the sheer number of false accusations. the sheer number as a proportion of fake claims against rich celebrities is incredibly high too

Proof of this also?

Cases thrown out, again is not proof that the person (male or female) lied. It is also not proof that the person was raped. Though I would think that the majority of these were actually raped, as I don't see why someone would go through it all if they were not. But thats just personal opinion. Obviously you are of the opinion that cases thrown out means the person lied...

Which is why going on prosecutions (where proof is required) is the best way to look at this. Which again brings us to 22 false claims prosecuted, V 3000+ rapists prosecuted.

I don't think its 188000 cases thrown out of court either. I think that number includes those who drop the case, or for whatever reason the case is dropped before court.

[Tom4784]

There are 188000 accusations thrown out of court every year in the UK , staggering figure. a figure that points to 2 things, the sheer volume of sexual harassment and rapes which si vile and disgusting but also the sheer number of false accusations. the sheer number as a proportion of fake claims against rich celebrities is incredibly high too

It shows that there's a lack of evidence to convict, it isn't proof that the victims are lying about rape. That's your own assumption.

Like I said before, rape is difficult to prove and a lack of evidence does not mean that the victim is lying.

[the truth]

Proof of this also?

Cases thrown out, again is not proof that the person (male or female) lied. It is also not proof that the person was raped. Though I would think that the majority of these were actually raped, as I don't see why someone would go through it all if they were not. But thats just personal opinion. Obviously you are of the opinion that cases thrown out means the person lied...

Which is why going on prosecutions (where proof is required) is the best way to look at this. Which again brings us to 22 false claims prosecuted, V 3000+ rapists prosecuted.

I don't think its 188000 cases thrown out of court either. I think that number includes those who drop the case, or for whatever reason the case is dropped before court.
Dropped after the men are named and shamed their lives careers families health destroyed and millions of public money is wasted on a pack of unsubtantiated mix of lies

[Vicky.]

Dropped after the men are named and shamed their lives careers families health destroyed and millions of public money is wasted on a pack of unsubtantiated mix of lies

The men are not named and shamed though. As only 6 men who are falsely accused are actually arrested and questioned.

[Marsh.]

Dropped after the men are named and shamed their lives careers families health destroyed and millions of public money is wasted on a pack of unsubtantiated mix of lies
It must be very exhausting twisting everything to suit your agenda and getting irate over something that's simply not true.

You'll give yourself a heart attack with the stress.

[the truth]

The men are not named and shamed though. As only 6 men who are falsely accused are actually arrested and questioned.

Many are , such a petty point ignoring their lives being destroyed by lives
the level of male hate misandry on this site is horrifying. Its so predictable to see me being bullied here enmasse by so many biased misandrists

[the truth]

It shows that there's a lack of evidence to convict, it isn't proof that the victims are lying about rape. That's your own assumption.

Like I said before, rape is difficult to prove and a lack of evidence does not mean that the victim is lying.

188000 are thrown out per year thats 188000 men whose lives are destroyed by women making accusations that are either totally false or lack any evidence. they do so anonymously so have nothing left to lose unlike the men falsely accused, but in many cases they have a lot of money to gain

[Vicky.]

Many are , such a petty point ignoring their lives being destroyed by lives
the level of male hate misandry on this site is horrifying. Its so predictable to see me being bullied here enmasse by so many biased misandrists

I am ignoring nothing. Nor do I hate men I have a husband, a father and a son...why would I hate men?

6 a year have their 'lives ruined' by false claims. And thats assuming that the people close to them believed that they did rape someone. 2 of these falsely accused saw a court room.

3000+ victims of rape had their lives ruined by males.

When we are going on facts, rather than opinions, of course.

[Marsh.]

188000 are thrown out per year thats 188000 men whose lives are destroyed by women making accusations that are either totally false or lack any evidence. they do so anonymously so have nothing left to lose unlike the men falsely accused, but in many cases they have a lot of money to gain
How dare they make accusations that lack evidence. Those rapists deserve to be free unless the victim has thoroughly done their research and is sure they have enough for a conviction.

[Vicky.]

How dare they make accusations that lack evidence. Those rapists deserve to be free unless the victim has thoroughly done their research and is sure they have enough for a conviction.

Well yeah, next time the victims have to make sure they are raped in full view of cctv or something. Totally the victims fault that there wasn't enough physical evidence and the 'he said she said' was not enough to secure a conviction. If there is not cctv, pretty much all a rapist has to do is say 'there was consent' and the case would be thrown out.

But again, going on cases thrown out is silly, as we do not know for sure why they were thrown out. So going on actual convictions makes sense, as convictions require evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

Its just such a ridiculous argument tbh. I don't know why I am taking part in it but this has kind of riled me, that anyone can think this way.

[Redway]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/24/woman-jailed-10-years-false-rape-claims-jemma-beale

A story youd never get to see on the radical feminist BBC

Who uses something like rape to push their own sexist agenda? That’s a new low even for you.

[Marsh.]

Many are , such a petty point ignoring their lives being destroyed by lives
the level of male hate misandry on this site is horrifying. Its so predictable to see me being bullied here enmasse by so many biased misandrists
Bullied? You're refusing to listen to reason and are making up facts out of thin air.

Do you expect people to just nod and agree because you have an unhealthy bias against women?

[Vicky.]

Not more than an actual rapist would get on average

Anyway glad she got brought to justice lying cow

Missed this too.

Yes, its ridiculous that someone gets a longer sentence for falsely accusing than men would get for actually raping someone. Hell some people who admit raping people get off with a CAUTION! 6 a year, evidently.

Same amount of people who get arrested for false rape claims per year.

[the truth]

I am ignoring nothing. Nor do I hate men I have a husband, a father and a son...why would I hate men?

6 a year have their 'lives ruined' by false claims. And thats assuming that the people close to them believed that they did rape someone. 2 of these falsely accused saw a court room.

3000+ victims of rape had their lives ruined by males.

When we are going on facts, rather than opinions, of course.

lets hope they never ever get falsely accused because only then will you truly know the horror of these lies and gossip spread by dishonest women

[the truth]

Who uses something like rape to push their own sexist agenda? That’s a new low even for you.

youre lying again

[Marsh.]

lets hope they never ever get falsely accused because only then will you truly know the horror of these lies and gossip spread by dishonest women
Why is everything always extremes for you?

It's not healthy and it's certainly not rational.

[Marsh.]

youre lying again
And you're not a well person and your threads get more ridiculous by the week.

[Vicky.]

lets hope they never ever get falsely accused because only then will you truly know the horror of these lies and gossip spread by dishonest women

Yes lets hope. Luckily the stats are against this happening, I doubt they would be in the 6/31,000,000 per year who are falsely accused. More chance of winning the lottery. Also much more chance of them being raped by another male (9000 men are raped per year by other men) than being falsely accused of rape. I will worry more about that tbh.

[the truth]

I am ignoring nothing. Nor do I hate men I have a husband, a father and a son...why would I hate men?

6 a year have their 'lives ruined' by false claims. And thats assuming that the people close to them believed that they did rape someone. 2 of these falsely accused saw a court room.

3000+ victims of rape had their lives ruined by males.

When we are going on facts, rather than opinions, of course.

yes I sympathise and 188000 men had their lives destroyed by unsubstantiated anonymous vile accusations and you show those 188000 men zero empathy or understanding

[Redway]

youre lying again

And where’s the lie?

[the truth]

Yes lets hope. Luckily the stats are against this happening, I doubt they would be in the 6/31,000,000 per year who are falsely accused. More chance of winning the lottery. Also much more chance of them being raped by another male (9000 men are raped per year by other men) than being falsely accused of rape. I will worry more about that tbh.

your facts are false. the chance sof it happening are huge 188000 fake accusations per year in the uk alone. I really hope if it happens you show them more support than youre showing innocent male victims on this thread. Be a good idea to show them this thread, no doubt theyd side with you through loyalty , but they may learn something about the enormous dangers facing innocent men

[Vicky.]

your facts are false. the chance sof it happening are huge 188000 fake accusations per year in the uk alone. I really hope if it happens you show them more support than youre showing innocent male victims on this thread. Be a good idea to show them this thread, no doubt theyd side with you through loyalty , but they may learn something about the enormous dangers facing innocent men

But this isn't true. Why do you keep saying this?

[Marsh.]

:joker:

[thesheriff443]

This is were I stand, if your guilty of rape you need to go to prison, if you are a woman and you falsely accuse someone of rape you need to go to prison.

Do mistakes happen?, yes
Is life cruel most of the time?,yes

[Marsh.]

This is were I stand, if your guilty of rape you need to go to prison, if you are a woman and you falsely accuse someone of rape you need to go to prison.

Do mistakes happen?, yes
Is life cruel most of the time?,yes
Well I think everyone would agree with this.

I would hope anyway.

[Vicky.]

This is were I stand, if your guilty of rape you need to go to prison, if you are a woman and you falsely accuse someone of rape you need to go to prison.

Do mistakes happen?, yes
Is life cruel most of the time?,yes

Theres something I can agree with.

I think the sentences for rape and falsely accusing (both need to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt though) should be the same, and much harsher than the pitiful sentences that are given at the moment. Maybe it will be more of a deterrent.

Cautions given for rape are just disgusting. Sentences given are usually pitiful too.

[the truth]

goodness me we are in danger of reaching a consensus that both parties need better protection and wrong doers need bigger punishments

[Vicky.]

goodness me we are in danger of reaching a consensus that both parties need better protection and wrong doers need bigger punishments

I don't think anyone would ever argue with that tbh. Its just when fictitious stats are brought out to 'prove' that there are more liars than rapists that people feel the need to argue.

[the truth]

I don't think anyone would ever argue with that tbh. Its just when fictitious stats are brought out to 'prove' that there are more liars than rapists that people feel the need to argue.

I called a truce you just want to argue for the sake of it now, which says a lot. The facts I supplied and wii supplied which you call lies, were all 100% true you just choose to interpret them differently , 188000 cases are chucked out a year...carry on arguing with yourself lol

[Marsh.]

I called a truce you just want to argue for the sake of it now, which says a lot. The facts I supplied and wii supplied which you call lies, were all 100% true you just choose to interpret them differently , 188000 cases are chucked out a year...carry on arguing with yourself lol
Oh give yer head a wobble lad.

[Vicky.]

I called a truce you just want to argue for the sake of it now, which says a lot. The facts I supplied and wii supplied which you call lies, were all 100% true you just choose to interpret them differently , 188000 cases are chucked out a year...carry on arguing with yourself lol

Chucked out does not mean the accuser lied though, as we have already been over :shrug:

I will continue to argue against this. Yes. As long as you continue perpetrating the myth that 'loads' of women lie about rape.

Agreeing on one issue, does not mean I have to agree on all the other bollocks you have spouted in this thread.

[the truth]

Chucked out does not mean the accuser lied though, as we have already been over :shrug:

I will continue to argue against this. Yes. As long as you continue perpetrating the myth that 'loads' of women lie about rape.

Agreeing on one issue, does not mean I have to agree on all the other bollocks you have spouted in this thread.

more vile abuse and lies, do you show this to your family too? I see I shall report your personal abuse and it will of course be ignored
188000 cases are chucked out every year in the UK, 188000 men are accused , named and shamed by anonymous women with none or vastly insufficent evidence or thousands based purely on lies in this country every year. Thats a fact you cant lie your way out of it.

[Marsh.]

Vile abuse :joker:

[Vicky.]

more vile abuse I see I shall report your personal abuse and it will of course be ignored

Yes, vile abuse to point out that you have repeatedly talked bollocks in this thread.

Oh dear...

Please do report it. Hopefully it will bring admin to check out the thread, and maybe they will finally agree that you are a woman hating troll who posts only to wind people up...as if this is NOT the case you are a scary individual with disgusting views that should never be tolerated.

[the truth]

Yes, vile abuse to point out that you have repeatedly talked bollocks in this thread.

Oh dear...

Please do report it. Hopefully it will bring admin to check out the thread, and maybe they will finally agree that you are a woman hating troll who posts only to wind people up...as if this is NOT the case you are a scary individual with disgusting views that should never be tolerated.

If they showed some balance they would see you as an abusive lying misandrist
I really hope you dont show your posts to your boys

[Vicky.]

If they showed some balance they would see you as an abusive lying misandrist
I really hope you dont show your posts to your boys

My husband read this thread actually when he asked why I was banging my keyboard like a mad woman, and he thinks you are a woman hating prick too.

My brother is in Liverpool but I can send him the link too if you like?

My son is only 3 so doesn't know about any of this yet, thankfully. I am bringing him up to be respectful of women and to respect their boundaries also. To believe in true equality. He wont be a woman-hating misogynist like you when he grows up, thats for sure.

[Lostie!]

My husband read this thread actually when he asked why I was banging my keyboard like a mad woman, and he thinks you are a woman hating prick too.

:joker:

[Marsh.]

:clap1:

[Cal.]

If they showed some balance they would see you as an abusive lying misandrist
I really hope you dont show your posts to your boys

You talk BOLLOCKS.

[Smithy]

DRAG HIM Victoria!

[Marsh.]

DRAG HIM Victoria!
:joker:

[RichardG]

oh wow, every time i log into this site all i see are these tedious arguments in sd&n

on forum about an irrelevant channel 5 reality show no less

seriously who gives a ****, just ban everyone who starts these tragic "debates" and get a bit of positivity around here

[RichardG]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/29/article-0-01C8B7C900000578-181_468x407.jpg

[RichardG]

or just delete the serious debates forum

[Tom4784]

or just delete the serious debates forum

I've seriously made this suggestion multiple times in Tibb Towers.

flLEgh_0TIQ

[RichardG]

like it's not even a dig at anyone's political beliefs bc i respect and appreciate all sides but there are no debates on this forum, from certain people anyway, only inane posts that add no benefit to anyone's experience. i only come back bc i've been a member for so long and hope that maybe some of the fun of a few years ago might return. this place has descended into a cesspit of toxicity and negativity and i feel like i age ten years when i just consider clicking on the url in my favourites tab, let alone actually witness the site load on my screen.

[RichardG]

that is my contribution to the thread

carry on debating i guess, i look forward to the truth's next thoughtful argument

something about women i presume

[Withano]

I've seriously made this suggestion multiple times in Tibb Towers.

flLEgh_0TIQ

Offtopic, but didn't you trial the whole 'banning people from subforums for x amount of time'. Why did that never stick?

[Marsh.]

like it's not even a dig at anyone's political beliefs bc i respect and appreciate all sides but there are no debates on this forum, from certain people anyway, only inane posts that add no benefit to anyone's experience. i only come back bc i've been a member for so long and hope that maybe some of the fun of a few years ago might return. this place has descended into a cesspit of toxicity and negativity and i feel like i age ten years when i just consider clicking on the url in my favourites tab, let alone actually witness the site load on my screen.

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

or just delete the serious debates forum

I've seriously made this suggestion multiple times in Tibb Towers.

flLEgh_0TIQ

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Northern Monkey]

I can’t understand this talk of banning people with differing opinions on a debate forum.
It’ll just become an echo chamber with nothing to debate.
I don’t agree with this 188,000 women lie about rape figure either.A case lacking evidence doesn’t mean the accuser is lying but name calling and trying to get people banned for an opinion is akin to this no platforming safe space crap the lefty SJW’s try.
Everyone doesn’t have to agree with each other.

[Marsh.]

I can’t understand this talk of banning people with differing opinions on a debate forum.
It’ll just become an echo chamber with nothing to debate.
I don’t agree with this 188,000 women lie about rape figure either.A case lacking evidence doesn’t mean the accuser is lying but name calling and trying to get people banned for an opinion is akin to this no platforming safe space crap the lefty SJW’s try.
Everyone doesn’t have to agree with each other.

Nobody's suggested anything of the sort.

Vile misogynistic abuse on a frequent basis, on the other hand, is ban worthy and should not be acceptable.

Racism isn't. Homophobia isn't. I don't see why sexism is any different.

[Tom4784]

Offtopic, but didn't you trial the whole 'banning people from subforums for x amount of time'. Why did that never stick?

It's something that's still around but we don't use it nearly enough, at the moment it's just for SD but I think we're adding it to other forums too.

Still, I'm more for setting SD on fire and watching it burn in all honesty.

[Tom4784]

I can’t understand this talk of banning people with differing opinions on a debate forum.
It’ll just become an echo chamber with nothing to debate.
I don’t agree with this 188,000 women lie about rape figure either.A case lacking evidence doesn’t mean the accuser is lying but name calling and trying to get people banned for an opinion is akin to this no platforming safe space crap the lefty SJW’s try.
Everyone doesn’t have to agree with each other.

It's nothing to do with alternate opinions, if vile opinions were a bannable offense then SD would be a ghost town.

[Mokka]

Nobody's suggested anything of the sort.

Vile misogynistic abuse on a frequent basis, on the other hand, is ban worthy and should not be acceptable.

Racism isn't. Homophobia isn't. I don't see why sexism is any different.

I've said this a thousand times... lands on def ears though. One of the reasons I rarely come on anymore.

[thesheriff443]

Members continue to give views they consider offensive and vile air time by engaging in a debate with that member, who will never change their opinion.

Just give your opinion on a topic and leave it at that, in the real world you would not talk to someone you don't like.

For those that come on and moan about the forum and how negative it is!,try posting some positive threads instead of slagging it off.

[Marsh.]

Not really the point is it.

It is against the forum rules to be a mysoginistic pig.

He's given "air time" by being permitted to post.

[Kizzy]

I can’t understand this talk of banning people with differing opinions on a debate forum.
It’ll just become an echo chamber with nothing to debate.
I don’t agree with this 188,000 women lie about rape figure either.A case lacking evidence doesn’t mean the accuser is lying but name calling and trying to get people banned for an opinion is akin to this no platforming safe space crap the lefty SJW’s try.
Everyone doesn’t have to agree with each other.

This is the reason why serious debates exists, because the people who care about social issues can, for now at least voice their opinions even if they counter both the mainstream media and the majority of contributors to any given thread.

[Kizzy]

It's something that's still around but we don't use it nearly enough, at the moment it's just for SD but I think we're adding it to other forums too.

Still, I'm more for setting SD on fire and watching it burn in all honesty.

Why? So people are forced to into the chat treads to talk about rimming?...no thanks.

[Marsh.]

It's not about a difference of opinion though? Or going against the mainstream?

It's about someone making facts and figures up out of thin air to use disgusting language to shame rape victims and call the majority of them liars because of an irrational hatred of women.

That's a) not really conducive to a good or a serious debate and b) sexism breaks the rules of the forum.

[Vicky.]

Most of you will be happy to know that the OP of this thread has been indefinitely banned for his persistant misogynistic comments in various threads. The replies in this thread were really the last straw. IMO he should have been banned months, if not years ago but he was given chance after chance. Its not for a differing opinion. Its for being just...disgusting basically. His hatred for women shines through every post he makes, and I genuinely think if these are his true views that he is a scary individual who needs professional help to get over it.

[Kizzy]

It's not about a difference of opinion though? Or going against the mainstream?

It's about someone making facts and figures up out of thin air to use disgusting language to shame rape victims and call the majority of them liars because of an irrational hatred of women.

That's a) not really conducive to a good or a serious debate and b) sexism breaks the rules of the forum.

Is this to me.. Why are you taking my point to NM and applying it to the truth?
Of course if you spout sexist or racist rubbish it should be called out no question.

[Ashley.]

Most of you will be happy to know that the OP of this thread has been indefinitely banned for his persistant misogynistic comments in various threads. The replies in this thread were really the last straw. IMO he should have been banned months, if not years ago but he was given chance after chance. Its not for a differing opinion. Its for being just...disgusting basically. His hatred for women shines through every post he makes, and I genuinely think if these are his true views that he is a scary individual who needs professional help to get over it.

Good riddance...

[Marsh.]

Is this to me.. Why are you taking my point to NM and applying it to the truth?
Of course if you spout sexist or racist rubbish it should be called out no question.
You responded to NM who was directly responding to the situation that arose in this thread concerning the truth.

If neither post, your own or his, addressing the banning of members has anything to do with the truth then it's misplaced? Unless there's a member banned for a difference of opinion that I've missed?

[Marsh.]

Most of you will be happy to know that the OP of this thread has been indefinitely banned for his persistant misogynistic comments in various threads. The replies in this thread were really the last straw. IMO he should have been banned months, if not years ago but he was given chance after chance. Its not for a differing opinion. Its for being just...disgusting basically. His hatred for women shines through every post he makes, and I genuinely think if these are his true views that he is a scary individual who needs professional help to get over it.
:clap1: Well said.

Dare I say SD will be all the better for it with members who, whilst offering their view, don't blatantly ignore facts to carry out their hate campaign.

[Kizzy]

You responded to NM who was directly responding to the situation that arose in this thread concerning the truth.

If neither post, your own or his, addressing the banning of members has anything to do with the truth then it's misplaced? Unless there's a member banned for a difference of opinion that I've missed?

I was specifically replying to NM concerning his use of the term 'lefty SJW' whatever came before or after is irrelevant to me, your policing of comments to ensure they are following the thread is unnecessary and unhelpful.
I neither want nor require your assistance thank you.

[Kizzy]

Most of you will be happy to know that the OP of this thread has been indefinitely banned for his persistant misogynistic comments in various threads. The replies in this thread were really the last straw. IMO he should have been banned months, if not years ago but he was given chance after chance. Its not for a differing opinion. Its for being just...disgusting basically. His hatred for women shines through every post he makes, and I genuinely think if these are his true views that he is a scary individual who needs professional help to get over it.

Great, tip of the iceberg perhaps but a start ;)

[Marsh.]

I was specifically replying to NM concerning his use of the term 'lefty SJW' whatever came before or after is irrelevant to me, your policing of comments to ensure they are following the thread is unnecessary and unhelpful.
I neither want nor require your assistance thank you.
I didn't even quote you to begin with but commented on the line of discussion that started within NM's post. Which was entirely about the truth being banned.

If you think my post and contribution to the thread is all about you I assure you it isn't.

Yet I seem to be met with yet another post telling me you don't wish to talk to me. There's really no need to be so hostile. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

I didn't even quote you to begin with but commented on the line of discussion that started within NM's post. Which was entirely about the truth being banned.

If you think my post and contribution to the thread is all about you I assure you it isn't.

Yet I seem to be met with yet another post telling me you don't wish to talk to me. There's really no need to be so hostile. :shrug:

Fair enough, that's all I asked if it wasn't then no worries.
I haven't done or said anything to infer the thread is all about me or that I don't wish to talk to you. There is no hostility from me, I misunderstood obviously, I was under the impression you were telling me my comment was misplaced.. haha silly me.

[Ammi]

...it is a bit sad that it was felt that had to come to this with truth.../I did think he made some good points on some things..(I'm not talking about in this thread..).. but there were some discussions I would like to have got more involved in with him because he made some good and interesting points, he just didn't make it easy to do so because of his..well..determination in the course he wanted to pursue.../anyways, there it is../it is what it is and always sad to lose a member....

[Smithy]

https://media.tenor.com/images/f86b6fa216201b23bf189d951da72976/tenor.gif

[Jack_]

Most of you will be happy to know that the OP of this thread has been indefinitely banned for his persistant misogynistic comments in various threads. The replies in this thread were really the last straw. IMO he should have been banned months, if not years ago but he was given chance after chance. Its not for a differing opinion. Its for being just...disgusting basically. His hatred for women shines through every post he makes, and I genuinely think if these are his true views that he is a scary individual who needs professional help to get over it.

Good. This thread proved beyond all reasonable doubt that he pursues these lines of argument for effect and to provoke a reaction, I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt but if they're literally just going to ignore evidence and facts that are presented to them then it's clear they're not interested in a debate, but trolling.

There's plenty of people on here I disagree with that are capable of having a civilised debate, so I refute the idea that this is about 'shutting down free speech' or whatever. There's a difference between having conviction in your opinions and pretending to think a certain way for attention.

[Tom4784]

Why? So people are forced to into the chat treads to talk about rimming?...no thanks.

It's the number 1 problem area with this site and it will never be sorted out. Better to get rid of it.

[Toy Soldier]

It's the number 1 problem area with this site and it will never be sorted out. Better to get rid of it.

It's always been tough going but it used to be functional and it could quite easily be sorted out with a couple of clicks. I don't think I need to elaborate tbh...

[Vicky.]

It's always been tough going but it used to be functional and it could quite easily be sorted out with a couple of clicks. I don't think I need to elaborate tbh...

I agree. I used to love this section...a few years back. Yes its a mess now but hopefully this is the start of a mass cleanup of the site tbh. Theres only a couple of members I think do deserve to be ousted, but those couple do ruin it for everyone else IMO

Anyway, bit the bullet and got rid of one who was either a persistant troll, or a scary unhinged person so...

[Tom4784]

I agree. I used to love this section...a few years back. Yes its a mess now but hopefully this is the start of a mass cleanup of the site tbh. Theres only a couple of members I think do deserve to be ousted, but those couple do ruin it for everyone else IMO

Anyway, bit the bullet and got rid of one who was either a persistant troll, or a scary unhinged person so...

It feels like at this point that the majority of my posts in the towers are 'Ban ____' 'Why is this person still allowed here?'.

We're in desperate need of a purge tbh, too many trolls have been allowed to run riot for too long.

[Kizzy]

It's the number 1 problem area with this site and it will never be sorted out. Better to get rid of it.

What get rid of it because people can't agree? Might as well get rid of the whole site then as the whole idea of BB is having strangers thrust together in a space and seeing how they interact isn't it?

[Kizzy]

It's always been tough going but it used to be functional and it could quite easily be sorted out with a couple of clicks. I don't think I need to elaborate tbh...

https://i.imgur.com/5kfz7kn.gif

[Toy Soldier]

It feels like at this point that the majority of my posts in the towers are 'Ban ____' 'Why is this person still allowed here?'.

We're in desperate need of a purge tbh, too many trolls have been allowed to run riot for too long.

PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PUR... ahh **** I'm going to get purged :(.

[Toy Soldier]

having strangers thrust together in a space and seeing how they interact isn't it?

I lowkey love the fact that the answer is "basically it's always horrible" :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I lowkey love the fact that the answer is "basically it's always horrible" :laugh:

Well it's a similar concept for a start, a microcosm, there will be drama and conflict but there will also be humour and compromise. I don't see the issue, if there are rule breaks they are dealt with relatively consistently.

Well the important thread had been dragged of course enough so I'll leave it on here, but I for one would be sad to not have a place to discuss issues like this.

[Vicky.]

What get rid of it because people can't agree? Might as well get rid of the whole site then as the whole idea of BB is having strangers thrust together in a space and seeing how they interact isn't it?

Its not because people can't agree. Its because some members seem to just repeatedly troll and bait, and cry bias and moan about having posts deleted when they were nothing to do with the actual conversation and were only there to wind another member up. People disagreeing is what makes this section good, IMO. I love an actual debate, with people on both sides saying their views and why they think that, and maybe backing it up with evidence. What I do not like is the persistant trolling that seems to go on.

I have argued against having SD just taken away as I do remember a time when it was decent and have been attempting to get it back that way too. But it will take time. Hopefully not much time, but some time.

I am actuallty considering floating the idea of a minimum word count, for posts in this section, to make people actually put thought into their posts, and have less one liner baiting or sniping posts. I also would like (personally) a seperate politics forum.

[Withano]

I regularly notice SD get better instantly when a certain member gets banned for a week or so, and then the subforum comes right back down to **** when the ban is up...

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[Northern Monkey]

Well,it’s been fun here at times specially during onseason but that’s it for me.
You can’t ever have an open and free political debate section with the threat of a ban hammer over you for expressing your opinions.Truth was very anti feminist which it seems is not an accepted view to take in here.Pro feminism posts only.
I might not have agreed with everything he said but I don’t have to.Nobody has to.Just tell him where he’s wrong.Suppressing opinions doesn’t lead to debates,It just makes people afraid to air their real views.Honestly you may aswell close down SD like Dezzy wants or rename it as eventually it’ll just become a load of people agreeing with each other when it comes to emotive issues.

Take care everyone and all the best to you all.

:wavey:

[Withano]

Truth was very anti feminist which it seems is not an accepted view to take in here.

I'll be honest, I don't think you've entirely grasped the situation.

[Vicky.]

Same to you NM :)

If you genuinely cannot see what the issue is in turning every thread into an anti woman thread... making up rubbish when faced with facts, and then accusing others of not backing up their sources...spamming copy and paste responses into random threads... refusing to actually engage, instead chosing to just repeat over and over again your false/copy pasted stats...if you truly cannot see that this is very different to just disagreeing, then fair enough and I will be sad to see you go.

[Jack_]

It has nothing to do with anti feminism though :shrug: it's the deliberate antagonisation of other posters

If in this thread he had responded to Vicky's evidence with posts like 'okay I've read that, but I think that's wrong because x, and here's evidence as to why' there wouldn't be a problem - instead he (as usual) chose to resort to petty 'youre lying again' and 'this radical feminist liberal loony left misandrist site' posts. They're not constructive, they are quite blatantly designed to provoke a reaction

[Toy Soldier]

Well,it’s been fun here at times specially during onseason but that’s it for me.
You can’t ever have an open and free political debate section with the threat of a ban hammer over you for expressing your opinions.Truth was very anti feminist which it seems is not an accepted view to take in here.Pro feminism posts only.
I might not have agreed with everything he said but I don’t have to.Nobody has to.Just tell him where he’s wrong.Suppressing opinions doesn’t lead to debates,It just makes people afraid to air their real views.Honestly you may aswell close down SD like Dezzy wants or rename it as eventually it’ll just become a load of people agreeing with each other when it comes to emotive issues.

Take care everyone and all the best to you all.

:wavey:

To be fair I agree to an extent, I find Truth more or less harmless and also quite entertaining, and like Withano I genuinely believe that there is only and has only ever been one member (since I've been using the forum, anyway) who makes this section almost unusable. Probs not supposed to say that though :umm2:.

[Denver]

I hate women like that it's the reason why men are automatically found guilty when accused of rape

[Jack_]

Also to whomever brought up the subforum bans, I agree - when they were trialled and someone was removed from SD for a while the whole place was a lot less like a cesspool.

[Toy Soldier]

I hate women like that it's the reason why men are automatically found guilty when accused of rape

PURGE PURGE P...

[Vicky.]

I hate women like that it's the reason why men are automatically found guilty when accused of rape

Hmm can you expand on what you mean by this please? On the contrary, most guys accused of rape are not found guilty. Even if there is evidence they did rape someone, if there is any room for doubt then they are not found guilty.

[Kizzy]

Its not because people can't agree. Its because some members seem to just repeatedly troll and bait, and cry bias and moan about having posts deleted when they were nothing to do with the actual conversation and were only there to wind another member up. People disagreeing is what makes this section good, IMO. I love an actual debate, with people on both sides saying their views and why they think that, and maybe backing it up with evidence. What I do not like is the persistant trolling that seems to go on.

I have argued against having SD just taken away as I do remember a time when it was decent and have been attempting to get it back that way too. But it will take time. Hopefully not much time, but some time.

I am actuallty considering floating the idea of a minimum word count, for posts in this section, to make people actually put thought into their posts, and have less one liner baiting or sniping posts. I also would like (personally) a seperate politics forum.

Well can't argue with that I guess, it happens no getting away from it. The word count thing is a good idea as is a politics forum.

[Denver]

Hmm can you expand on what you mean by this please? On the contrary, most guys accused of rape are not found guilty. Even if there is evidence they did rape someone, if there is any room for doubt then they are not found guilty.

I mean guilty in society if a man is falsely accused of rape he will always be looked down on because people will only remember that part

[Vicky.]

I mean guilty in society if a man is falsely accused of rape he will always be looked down on because people will only remember that part

Ah got ya. Yeah if the case is publicized, mud does stick. Even if the guy is proven not guilty, there will always be some who believe that there is 'no smoke without fire'.

I don't see why this idiot lying is the reason for this trial by media thing though? Rather than she would be someone who contributes to it.

[Smithy]

Well,it’s been fun here at times specially during onseason but that’s it for me.
You can’t ever have an open and free political debate section with the threat of a ban hammer over you for expressing your opinions.Truth was very anti feminist which it seems is not an accepted view to take in here.Pro feminism posts only.
I might not have agreed with everything he said but I don’t have to.Nobody has to.Just tell him where he’s wrong.Suppressing opinions doesn’t lead to debates,It just makes people afraid to air their real views.Honestly you may aswell close down SD like Dezzy wants or rename it as eventually it’ll just become a load of people agreeing with each other when it comes to emotive issues.

Take care everyone and all the best to you all.

:wavey:

bye!

[Marsh.]

Erm he wasn't anti-feminist he was completely anti-woman.

I can't believe how simple things are so difficult to understand.

He wasn't banned for having different opinions but completely ignoring any facts just to call others vile and spout his disgusting hatred of women.

How does one miss that?

[DemolitionRed]

Its not because people can't agree. Its because some members seem to just repeatedly troll and bait, and cry bias and moan about having posts deleted when they were nothing to do with the actual conversation and were only there to wind another member up. People disagreeing is what makes this section good, IMO. I love an actual debate, with people on both sides saying their views and why they think that, and maybe backing it up with evidence. What I do not like is the persistant trolling that seems to go on.

I have argued against having SD just taken away as I do remember a time when it was decent and have been attempting to get it back that way too. But it will take time. Hopefully not much time, but some time.

I am actuallty considering floating the idea of a minimum word count, for posts in this section, to make people actually put thought into their posts, and have less one liner baiting or sniping posts. I also would like (personally) a seperate politics forum.

When I joined a couple of years ago, I joined to chat about a series of BB but wandered in here. Back then it was full of people sensibly discussing all sorts. Yes, it got heated but then all good debates do, that's what keeps them energized. Its probably in the last year that its gone downhill with too many one-liners just baiting a reaction and too many trivial topics that aren't worth joining.

I think a political forum is a great idea. Hopefully, it would pull in new members and liven the place up again.

[Beso]

Am I missing much?

:creep:

[thesheriff443]

Back on topic now!

[Beso]

Why? So people are forced to into the chat treads to talk about rimming?...no thanks.



Ok, whos stole kizzy?

[Beso]

Well,it’s been fun here at times specially during onseason but that’s it for me.
You can’t ever have an open and free political debate section with the threat of a ban hammer over you for expressing your opinions.Truth was very anti feminist which it seems is not an accepted view to take in here.Pro feminism posts only.
I might not have agreed with everything he said but I don’t have to.Nobody has to.Just tell him where he’s wrong.Suppressing opinions doesn’t lead to debates,It just makes people afraid to air their real views.Honestly you may aswell close down SD like Dezzy wants or rename it as eventually it’ll just become a load of people agreeing with each other when it comes to emotive issues.

Take care everyone and all the best to you all.

:wavey:

Always a good read right to the end....

I just dont know why people just dont use the ignore button on people who make this place so bad for them.

[Vicky.]

Always a good read right to the end....

I just dont know why people just dont use the ignore button on people who make this place so bad for them.

Some views are best challenged than ignored. IMO.

I would use ignore for someone who was just annoying me. I would not just ignore someone who was repeatedly offensive.

[Beso]

Some views are best challenged than ignored. IMO.

I would use ignore for someone who was just annoying me. I would not just ignore someone who was repeatedly offensive.

Well that worked!!!

The more people pushed the worse they got...IMO, much easier just to click..Some read though.:laugh:

[Marsh.]

Well that worked!!!

The more people pushed the worse they got...IMO, much easier just to click..Some read though.[emoji23]
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good (wo)men to do nothing.

[Beso]

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good (wo)men to do nothing.

Seee, normally my cup would be slammed down, reading glasses shoved deep into my eye sockets, wheezing in anger.

But now i just lift my leg and fart and read someone else less irritable.

[Marsh.]

Seee, normally my cup would be slammed down, reading glasses shoved deep into my eye sockets, wheezing in anger.

But now i just lift my leg and fart and read someone else less irritable.
If tibb does that to you then you need to chill man.

[James]

The Serious Debates forum is not going to be deleted. There's not going to be a 'purge'.

[Kizzy]

The Serious Debates forum is not going to be deleted. There's not going to be a 'purge'.

Thank you James :)

[Beso]

The Serious Debates forum is not going to be deleted. There's not going to be a 'purge'.

Can you post that in all threads please. I wouldnt have even known there was a risk if i hadnt read this....there may be others in a similar boat...:bawling: