Live show format confirmed

[supertv247]

Two categories will perform on Saturday night, with the remaining two performing on Sunday night. One act will be eliminated on Saturday and one on Sunday most weeks (no sing off at all) and there may be weeks where 2 acts are eliminated each night (which will be one act from each category)
This format stays until the semi final (week 5)

All the details here: http://www.itv.com/terms/votes-the-x-factor/the-x-factor-voting-terms-2017

[RileyH]

ew

[Greg!]

Ewww at them axing the sing off

[Black Dagger]

Trash at no sing off.

[Ross.]

The show just died in front of our eyes

[supertv247]

Just seen that it also says there will be a weekly prize vote where the viewers will basically vote for a winner each week...

[Drew.]

RIP

[Lostie!]

lmao I made the right choice to not bother this year then

[Greg!]

This is trash, don't get why only half the acts perform each night

[andybigbro]

Is this **** for real?

[Wizard.]

She’s officially dead!

[Ross.]

Not here for one from each category going either

[RileyH]

Just axe it

[Marsh.]

The sing-off was pointless anyway.
98% of the time they just axed whoever was against their own category and blatantly had no regard for whoever gave the better performance.

I'd also say, axing one from each category makes it more interesting than Louis inevitably ending up with zero groups left by week 3 and us getting the heart throbs.

Getting down to the final 4 being one from each category sounds better to me.

Each round up to the lives is about whittling each category down to the best 3 or 4, so continuing that in the lives until you're left with the "winner" of each category to then face one another and win "X Factor" just sounds better to me. :shrug:

[Withano]

****ing gross.

[Morgan.]

I like it?

[Withano]

I like it?

Wrong. Lol. So wrong. Reread it, its ****.

[Marsh.]

Also, the show is stale as sh*t so is in dire need of major format changes if it wants to continue.

[lewis111]

So only 2 are eliminated each week? Or is it 1 from each Catagory?
Would be bad if them to put girls and groups together as they are the strongest so doubt they would do that

[Ross.]

The sing-off was pointless anyway.
98% of the time they just axed whoever was against their own category and blatantly had no regard for whoever gave the better performance.

I'd also say, axing one from each category makes it more interesting than Louis inevitably ending up with zero groups left by week 3 and us getting the heart throbs.

Getting down to the final 4 being one from each category sounds better to me.

Each round up to the lives is about whittling each category down to the best 3 or 4, so continuing that in the lives until you're left with the "winner" of each category to then face one another and win "X Factor" just sounds better to me. :shrug:

Go watch The Voice Series 1-3 if you like it so much then!

It's a terrible format

[Withano]

A less logical and less interesting live final format, I must watch this years x factor

Oh

[Marsh.]

Go watch The Voice Series 1-3 if you like it so much then!

It's a terrible format

The Voice is completely different though.

And I don't watch either anymore. :hee:

[supertv247]

So only 2 are eliminated each week? Or is it 1 from each Catagory?
Would be bad if them to put girls and groups together as they are the strongest so doubt they would do that

Mostly it will be 2 each week, which is twice as many as usual. Never mind the fact when they do have a double elimination (because there’s only 6 weeks) it’ll be 4 eliminated in one week....... it’s terrible

[Marsh.]

But even if they did it the regular way, it's still terrible because the show is dead and stale. :shrug:

[lewis111]

But even if they did it the regular way, it's still terrible because the show is dead and stale. :shrug:

Last year's live shows kept me interested - the normal format and the growth of he likes of Saara and the downfall of the likes of Emily make 10 weeks live shows from being boring

[Firewire]

Just cancel it now

[lewis111]

Mostly it will be 2 each week, which is twice as many as usual. Never mind the fact when they do have a double elimination (because there’s only 6 weeks) it’ll be 4 eliminated in one week....... it’s terrible

Hmm that's not AS bad as one eliminated from each Catagory as I'm sure all the girls could get to at least like top 7 ish

[James]

It's the two-hour shows I can't really be bothered with. Sing-offs would probably make it feel even more drawn out. I guess they've also decided the acts won't have enough time to rehearse sing-off songs.

[supertv247]

Hmm that's not AS bad as one eliminated from each Catagory as I'm sure all the girls could get to at least like top 7 ish

No, if there is a double elimination (which there will be) it WILL be one from each category

[Firewire]

It's absolutely NOT fair that certain categories will not compete against each other until week 5

[lewis111]

No, if there is a double elimination (which there will be) it WILL be one from each category

But what if by the time they have say their 2nd there's only 1 group left which could happen - surely they just eliminate the 2 of the night that got the fewest votes even if it is 2 from the same Catagory?

[lewis111]

It's absolutely NOT fair that certain categories will not compete against each other until week 5

I'm hoping they change it around but it probabaly wouldn't work numbers wise if one Catagory is still number strong and one has lost a few they would always have to go against each other

[James]

The judges don't have a say anymore in who goes, yeah?

[Daniel-X]

Sounds horrific

[Headie]

http://i42.tinypic.com/23wqkhv.jpg

[Marsh.]

The judges don't have a say anymore in who goes, yeah?

When you put it like that it does seem to take away the difference that made X Factor unique to the "Idol" shows back when it started. :laugh:

[supertv247]

But what if by the time they have say their 2nd there's only 1 group left which could happen - surely they just eliminate the 2 of the night that got the fewest votes even if it is 2 from the same Catagory?

The double will probably happen in week 2 (I’m assuming not week one straight after we just voted 4 acts in) so there will be 3 acts in one category an 4 in the other each night. Then another 1 will leave from each? :shrug:

[Jack_]

This is...the worst format they could've chosen :umm2: axing the sing-off is CRIMINAL* cause it's the best part of the weekend, pitting two categories against one another is completely unfair, forcing one act to leave each category on occasion (a la The Voice, which is one of the many reasons why it ****ing sucks) is bogus because if all acts in a category are crap, they're crap. What on earth have they done? It's official, it's worse than 2015.

*Talking of Idol, I'm pretty sure the legal case that was brought against The X Factor in its early days determined that the two formats were distinct because of the sing-off (and the category divisions). Hope Simon Fuller is on the phone to his lawyers as we speak tbh xx

[Ross.]

This is...the worst format they could've chosen :umm2: axing the sing-off is CRIMINAL* cause it's the best part of the weekend, pitting two categories against one another is completely unfair, forcing one act to leave each category on occasion (a la The Voice, which is one of the many reasons why it ****ing sucks) is bogus because if all acts in a category are crap, they're crap. What on earth have they done? It's official, it's worse than 2015.

*Talking of Idol, I'm pretty sure the legal case that was brought against The X Factor in its early days determined that the two formats were distinct because of the sing-off (and the category divisions). Hope Simon Fuller is on the phone to his lawyers as we speak tbh xx

I love you

[Jack_]

A great group of finalists completely wasted as well :bored:

The most annoying thing about all of this is that everything about last series was perfect, apart from the finalists they chose. If they'd just looked at last year and gone 'hm, if Judges Houses hadn't been such a disaster maybe the lives would've done better', then we might've had some hope this time around because they've rectified that mistake this weekend. Instead they seem to think it's the actual live shows themselves that were the problem :shrug:

Put these finalists in last year's series and you have one that's up there with 2008/2010/2012. I'm so gutted

[Jack_]

I love you

:kiss:

[Headie]

This is...the worst format they could've chosen :umm2: axing the sing-off is CRIMINAL* cause it's the best part of the weekend, pitting two categories against one another is completely unfair, forcing one act to leave each category on occasion (a la The Voice, which is one of the many reasons why it ****ing sucks) is bogus because if all acts in a category are crap, they're crap. What on earth have they done? It's official, it's worse than 2015.

*Talking of Idol, I'm pretty sure the legal case that was brought against The X Factor in its early days determined that the two formats were distinct because of the sing-off (and the category divisions). Hope Simon Fuller is on the phone to his lawyers as we speak tbh xx

Wait one per category is leaving each week :skull: I thought it was just the two with the lowest votes each week is gone

[Jack_]

From what I understood, if it's two leaving a week (one Saturday and one Sunday), it's whoever has the least votes each night. If it's four in a week (which will have to happen at least once), so two each night - then it'll be one from each category, or else a judge could conceivably lose two acts in one night.

Which is all kinds of unfair. If there's two crap acts in your category, they deserve to go. This is part of the reason why The Voice is so ****, because they insist[ed] (idk if they still do) on reducing the teams at an equal rate :shrug: the lives are the worst part of that show and they're literally copying their format...tragic.

[Marsh.]

I don't see why it matters, the point of the show is to dwindle the numbers to one winner.

Does it really matter if, due to some technicality, a rubbish act in one category last 2 weeks longer than an ok act from another category? At the end of the day there is only one winner that will, debatably, be the "best" and most popular?

Do people pay that much attention to rankings apart from 3rd, 2nd and 1st?

[Jack_]

It matters in terms of creating an entertaining and engaging live show format, IMO. There were problems with the lives, absolutely, but the thing that makes X Factor better than The Voice is that you can get to know the acts over ten weeks and become invested in their journeys. 2015 proved that you can't over a shorter length of time, it was rushed, flat, and beyond predictable. This is even worse, how can acts develop when they're culling like four people in one week? It's tragic. Plus, the sing-off is without question the highlight of the weekend, if only for Louis' classic Deadlock dramas (the biggest loss tbh </3)

In terms of what else you said, under this format it is conceivable that one of the favourites could easily be lost in the one-act-from-each-category-leaves week if they have a bad night. Let's say that Grace or Holly has a bad performance and the other girls shine, meanwhile the fodder in the Boys category continue to underperform and would in a regular series be shoe-ins to leave in week 4. The former could end up being eliminated just because of a stupid arbitrary rule about keeping the categories at equal numbers, while the latter get to float on through just because :shrug: it's completely unfair.

[Marsh.]

It matters in terms of creating an entertaining and engaging live show format, IMO. There were problems with the lives, absolutely, but the thing that makes X Factor better than The Voice is that you can get to know the acts over ten weeks and become invested in their journeys. 2015 proved that you can't over a shorter length of time, it was rushed, flat, and beyond predictable. This is even worse, how can acts develop when they're culling like four people in one week? It's tragic. Plus, the sing-off is without question the highlight of the weekend, if only for Louis' classic Deadlock dramas (the biggest loss tbh </3)

In terms of what else you said, under this format it is conceivable that one of the favourites could easily be lost in the one-act-from-each-category-leaves week if they have a bad night. Let's say that Grace or Holly has a bad performance and the other girls shine, meanwhile the fodder in the Boys category continue to underperform and would in a regular series be shoe-ins to leave in week 4. The former could end up being eliminated just because of a stupid arbitrary rule about keeping the categories at equal numbers, while the latter get to float on through just because :shrug: it's completely unfair.

I was referring more to the second part, about culling the categories equally, as they do at every prior stage of the competition. Culling them quickly so it's over in a shorter time does allow less time for progression and getting familiar with the acts and also for building up fanbases in time for finale week when it's the last head to head.

But, in terms of a girl like Grace getting booted out due to a bad week whilst a mediocre boy floats through happens regardless every single year. Heck, how many times have the judges wilfully made that exact decision during the sing-off/deadlock?

When it comes to that, the problem lies in talentless dreck making it to the live shows at all. The show's standards when it comes to talent needs to improve, no matter the process of eliminating them in the live shows.

However, I still maintain 12th place or 8th place, they're elimination fodder for the only places anyone cares about - 3rd, 2nd and 1st. The rest of them are just "those people eliminated throughout the lives." The order in which that happens is inconsequential IMO.

[LukeB]

Im glad this didnt happen last year because Saara would have not made final </3

[Jack_]

I was referring more to the second part, about culling the categories equally, as they do at every prior stage of the competition. Culling them quickly so it's over in a shorter time does allow less time for progression and getting familiar with the acts and also for building up fanbases in time for finale week when it's the last head to head.

But, in terms of a girl like Grace getting booted out due to a bad week whilst a mediocre boy floats through happens regardless every single year. Heck, how many times have the judges wilfully made that exact decision during the sing-off/deadlock?

When it comes to that, the problem lies in talentless dreck making it to the live shows at all. The show's standards when it comes to talent needs to improve, no matter the process of eliminating them in the live shows.

However, I still maintain 12th place or 8th place, they're elimination fodder for the only places anyone cares about - 3rd, 2nd and 1st. The rest of them are just "those people eliminated throughout the lives." The order in which that happens is inconsequential IMO.

I see the point you're making (and I definitely agree re. putting fodder through to the lives in the first place, though I think this is the best bunch of finalists for a while) but my use of Grace and Holly as examples was less about them being culled over dull boys a la any other year, and more just because they're the favourites, you could swap them for whoever you like really - the same point would still apply. You could lose the favourites to fodder in any category, just because of a rule whereby someone from each category must leave. What if the three favourites were in one category? It's nonsense.

My main issue with this though lies in not being able to become invested in the acts over a lengthy period of time. The live shows are my absolute favourite part of X Factor and their insistence on reducing them for the second time in three years, and this time axing my actual favourite part (the sing-off), is so frustrating. They got almost everything right last year and this series was going so well, it's such a shame.

[lewis111]

In regards to "what if three favourites were in one Catagory" and the whole one leaves from each Catagory thing

Every single one of the girls is ahead of every single one of the boys in the betting odds (and almost overs too) in the odds
So say week 1 they done 4 eliminations - we could be loosing Rai-Elle who may get like the 5th most votes and keep 2 boys who got like 8/9th most votes and thus isn't a vey unlikely scenario

Regardless of wether you like less weeks or not In live tbis is clearly an unfair format that takes away from what made the X factor more interesting

[supertv247]

A great group of finalists completely wasted as well :bored:

The most annoying thing about all of this is that everything about last series was perfect, apart from the finalists they chose. If they'd just looked at last year and gone 'hm, if Judges Houses hadn't been such a disaster maybe the lives would've done better', then we might've had some hope this time around because they've rectified that mistake this weekend. Instead they seem to think it's the actual live shows themselves that were the problem :shrug:

Put these finalists in last year's series and you have one that's up there with 2008/2010/2012. I'm so gutted

I COMPLETELY agree with everything you’ve said. Judges Houses ruined last series (for the best part) and that was all they had to correct this year. And they technically did! The final 12 are the best in a while AND they’re even making the public happier by giving us 4 acts we choose ourselves. Now put this on a normal 10 week format and it would be the best live shows since 2012. Instead we’re getting an absolute car crash of a mess...

Acts like Alexandra, Rebecca Ferguson, James, Little Mix, Fleur East and, most notably, Saara were not winners or even near that at the beginning of their own live shows yet because of the format they managed to grow and make the final and some of them did manage to win. None of them would’ve won on a format like this.

Louisa was a shoe in for the win in 2015, and because there were so little shows, it was all so predictable. We didn’t really get to know the acts as well as usual (which is partly why I believe she hasn’t been that successful since)

[Marsh.]

I see the point you're making (and I definitely agree re. putting fodder through to the lives in the first place, though I think this is the best bunch of finalists for a while) but my use of Grace and Holly as examples was less about them being culled over dull boys a la any other year, and more just because they're the favourites, you could swap them for whoever you like really - the same point would still apply. You could lose the favourites to fodder in any category, just because of a rule whereby someone from each category must leave. What if the three favourites were in one category? It's nonsense.

Then all three of those aren't going to win anyway. That's my point.

It's all about one winner, so whether Favourite A is knocked out by Favourite B in the final 2 or a few weeks beforehand is neither here nor there. :laugh:

And, yes, I see the argument that a final with both of those favourites in it would be better than one of them versus a floater who slipped through in a fairly crappy category, that's where my point about the overall lack of quality control across the whole show crops up.

[supertv247]

In regards to "what if three favourites were in one Catagory" and the whole one leaves from each Catagory thing

Every single one of the girls is ahead of every single one of the boys in the betting odds (and almost overs too) in the odds
So say week 1 they done 4 eliminations - we could be loosing Rai-Elle who may get like the 5th most votes and keep 2 boys who got like 8/9th most votes and thus isn't a vey unlikely scenario

Regardless of wether you like less weeks or not In live tbis is clearly an unfair format that takes away from what made the X factor more interesting

This. It’s going to happen, and it’s going to be horrible. If the 4 girls are best then the 4 girls deserve to stay the longest.

It’s also annoying that they’ll put specific categories together to try and get the acts they want furthest. I’ll put money on the groups & girls being on separate nights

[Withano]

In regards to "what if three favourites were in one Catagory" and the whole one leaves from each Catagory thing

Every single one of the girls is ahead of every single one of the boys in the betting odds (and almost overs too) in the odds
So say week 1 they done 4 eliminations - we could be loosing Rai-Elle who may get like the 5th most votes and keep 2 boys who got like 8/9th most votes and thus isn't a vey unlikely scenario

Regardless of wether you like less weeks or not In live tbis is clearly an unfair format that takes away from what made the X factor more interesting

Yeah I agree. I hated s1 of the voice for this reason.

[supertv247]

Then all three of those aren't going to win anyway. That's my point.

It's all about one winner, so whether Favourite A is knocked out by Favourite B in the final 2 or a few weeks beforehand is neither here nor there. :laugh:

And, yes, I see the argument that a final with both of those favourites in it would be better than one of them versus a floater who slipped through in a fairly crappy category, that's where my point about the overall lack of quality control across the whole show crops up.

Think 2011. Janet was the winner, so you could’ve just assumed by week 6 Janet will win - what’s the difference in 6 or 10 shows?
But Little Mix happened. They only happened because of the 10 weeks... nobody saw that happening at the start of the shows. The whole problem with this new format is unfair eliminations with no time for acts to grow. Not about one clear winner, or they may as well just crown the winner on week one going by what you’re saying

[Marsh.]

Think 2011. Janet was the winner, so you could’ve just assumed by week 6 Janet will win - what’s the difference in 6 or 10 shows?
But Little Mix happened. They only happened because of the 10 weeks... nobody saw that happening at the start of the shows. The whole problem with this new format is unfair eliminations with no time for acts to grow. Not about one clear winner, or they may as well just crown the winner on week one going by what you’re saying

That's not my point though.

That's the only criticism I agree with, the length. The new format doesn't allow enough time for acts to progress and build up fanbases.

The order in which the acts leave the competition, IMO, is the least of its problems.

[supertv247]

That's not my point though.

That's the only criticism I agree with, the length. The new format doesn't allow enough time for acts to progress and build up fanbases.

The order in which the acts leave the competition, IMO, is the least of its problems.

but the order is affected by the time :laugh:

If they do double eliminations week one and then singles on week 2, there will have been 6 eliminations this year while the acts will have only performed twice. Let them all perform 6 times before eliminating them and the order could be completely different....

[Marsh.]

This. It’s going to happen, and it’s going to be horrible. If the 4 girls are best then the 4 girls deserve to stay the longest.

It’s also annoying that they’ll put specific categories together to try and get the acts they want furthest. I’ll put money on the groups & girls being on separate nights

Why would they purposely want to push the worst acts furthest?

[supertv247]

Why would they purposely want to push the worst acts furthest?

If the producers favourites are a group and a girl, they won’t put them on the same night because that’ll mean one has to go. So they’ll put them separate in the hope that an over and boy will go instead

[Marsh.]

but the order is affected by the time :laugh:

If they do double eliminations week one and then singles on week 2, there will have been 6 eliminations this year while the acts will have only performed twice. Let them all perform 6 times before eliminating them and the order could be completely different....

Yes, however if they eliminated one from each category on alternating weeks then the length of the live shows would remain the same AND they would reduce the categories at the same rate.

Culling them quickly and regularly is the issue, not the eliminating them category by category. That's exactly how they narrow down the 1000s of applicants down to the live show cast as it is anyway.

And if we have a case of a talentless no hoper floating through to the top 5 then they should've thought about that at Bootcamp when putting that floater into their final selections.

Nobody at this stage of the competition should be bad. Everybody will like different acts dependent on taste and preference, but they should all be good.

[Amy Jade]

I hate that there is no sing off, some of my favourite XF moments have been from sing offs

Ruth singing Purple Rain and Knocking on Heavens Door :lovedup:

[Marsh.]

If the producers favourites are a group and a girl, they won’t put them on the same night because that’ll mean one has to go. So they’ll put them separate in the hope that an over and boy will go instead

Why would one HAVE to go? Presumably, the rest of their categories are performing too? And if they would easily survive elimination against the other acts in their category then they're going to fly through the first stages regardless?

[supertv247]

Why would one HAVE to go? Presumably, the rest of their categories are performing too? And if they would easily survive elimination against the other acts in their category then they're going to fly through the first stages regardless?

Because sometimes the producers don’t want to let acts go even though they’re likely to go :laugh:

It’s like how they gave Honey G the pimp slot on live shows to boost her chances of survival.

[Marsh.]

Because sometimes the producers don’t want to let acts go even though they’re likely to go :laugh:

It’s like how they gave Honey G the pimp slot on live shows to boost her chances of survival.

That's a completely different debate IMO.

I can see the argument about the order in which acts perform and who sticks out in audiences memory when the vote opens. BUT when it comes to the joke acts, if they're getting voted through week after week it's going to happen regardless of slot. :laugh: IMO.

[supertv247]

That's a completely different debate IMO.

I can see the argument about the order in which acts perform and who sticks out in audiences memory when the vote opens. BUT when it comes to the joke acts, if they're getting voted through week after week it's going to happen regardless of slot. :laugh: IMO.

But it won’t happen if they put the overs on the same night as the boys knowing the boys will get more votes while the groups might not have.... ;)

[Marsh.]

But it won’t happen if they put the overs on the same night as the boys knowing the boys will get more votes while the groups might not have.... ;)

But if one boy and one group is going then the least popular boy and least popular group is going anyway regardless of the others?

The competition will be within their own categories, rather than outside, until the final 4.

Would whoever is deemed least popular in each category really change if you swapped out which category they were grouped with?

To illustrate, if all the boys are more popular than all the groups so the overall voting is...
1. Boy 1
2. Boy 2
3. Boy 3
4. Boy 4
5. Group 1
6. Group 2
7. Group 3
8. Group 4

Then Boy 4 and Group 4 are both leaving that night.
If you then paired those categories with another category where the voting is more mixed so you get results like...

1. Boy 1
2. Girl 1
3. Boy 2
4. Boy 3
5. Girl 2
6. Girl 3
7. Girl 4
8. Boy 4

Then "Boy 4" has a difference of 4 places, BUT he's eliminated anyway because he remains the least popular of his category?

[supertv247]

But if one boy and one group is going then the least popular boy and least popular group is going anyway regardless of the others?

The competition will be within their own categories, rather than outside, until the final 4.

Would whoever is deemed least popular in each category really change if you swapped out which category they were grouped with?

Of course if one is going from each category then you’re right, but that’s only going to happen once. Every other week, 2 categories will perform and one with the fewest overall votes will go. So what I said applies here

[Marsh.]

Of course if one is going from each category then you’re right, but that’s only going to happen once. Every other week, 2 categories will perform and one with the fewest overall votes will go. So what I said applies here

Well in that case, that's simply an unfair system, which is common for this show for years.

It's like in Big Brother when a housemate is evicted one week after being majority nominated by the whole house but then, in an unfair and unannounced change of rules, someone is nominated and evicted from just one nomination the following week. That makes a mockery of the viewers and the competition by making it unbalanced.

However, the idea of simply culling the categories at an equal rate isn't necessarily a bad one. It's the limited time to get to know them and the inconsistent voting that spoils it.

[Marsh.]

But then you could make the argument that even if one act would've survived against another category, the fact they came bottom of the 8 acts that performed that night shows they're far from deserving of remaining really anyway. :fan:

[supertv247]

Well in that case, that's simply an unfair system, which is common for this show for years.

It's like in Big Brother when a housemate is evicted one week after being majority nominated by the whole house but then, in an unfair and unannounced change of rules, someone is nominated and evicted from just one nomination the following week. That makes a mockery of the viewers and the competition by making it unbalanced.

However, the idea of simply culling the categories at an equal rate isn't necessarily a bad one. It's the limited time to get to know them and the inconsistent voting that spoils it.

The limited time spoils it I agree, but the change up of one week one person will be eliminated from all acts in just two categories, to one act from just one category to eventually one act form all categories is massively flawed

[Marsh.]

The limited time spoils it I agree, but the change up of one week one person will be eliminated from all acts in just two categories, to one act from just one category to eventually one act form all categories is massively flawed

Definitely. And the kind of inconsistent brainfart that caused me to abandon this show a while ago. :laugh:

[supertv247]

It’s just seriously disappointing that we finally have a good bunch of finalists and our own chosen wildcards...... and they **** all over it

[Marsh.]

Go back to the Popstars documentary format I say. :laugh:

[Ashley.]

The sing-off was pointless anyway.
98% of the time they just axed whoever was against their own category and blatantly had no regard for whoever gave the better performance.

I'd also say, axing one from each category makes it more interesting than Louis inevitably ending up with zero groups left by week 3 and us getting the heart throbs.

Getting down to the final 4 being one from each category sounds better to me.

Each round up to the lives is about whittling each category down to the best 3 or 4, so continuing that in the lives until you're left with the "winner" of each category to then face one another and win "X Factor" just sounds better to me. :shrug:

Agree with this completely, the sing-off was starting to get pretty pointless so I don't see it getting axed as too much of an issue. The format change was necessary - first time the show has interested me in a while.

[Eddie.]

mess at this format!

[Ross.]

Which is all kinds of unfair. If there's two crap acts in your category, they deserve to go. This is part of the reason why The Voice is so ****, because they insist[ed] (idk if they still do) on reducing the teams at an equal rate :shrug: the lives are the worst part of that show and they're literally copying their format...tragic.

They were smart enough to axe this part

[Firewire]

Even though it seems they don't care about the future of the show, they've just produced one of the best adverts the show's ever done

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[Marsh.]

Awful Jono.

[Ross.]

I'm Tracey getting the inevitable makeover

[Denver]

Most of the time the sing off wasnt used fairly the only right decisions they made last year were Saara and 5AM

[Withano]

Even though it seems they don't care about the future of the show, they've just produced one of the best adverts the show's ever done

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Ugh Matt is squinting his eyes here too, I thought he had hayfever or sumin before

[supertv247]

I said I loved everyone’s makeovers and Grace told me they haven’t even had their makeovers yet... :laugh:

[Morgan.]

I said I loved everyone’s makeovers and Grace told me they haven’t even had their makeovers yet... :laugh:

Thought so, I follow some of their instas and they're wearing their own clothes :joker:

[supertv247]

The advert is fantastic, but it is also the exact same as the 2012 one :laugh:
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[Morgan.]

:skull:

[Firewire]

The advert is fantastic, but it is also the exact same as the 2012 one :laugh:
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Oh I didn't know this existed :skull:

[Denver]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/4750380/x-factor-elimination-five-contestants-two-weeks/

2 acts go this week 3 the week after

[Ross.]

Lmao how is 3 in one week going to work

[RileyH]

why 3

[supertv247]

Wtf how would 3 work?

According to tellymix, 4 are leaving in weeks 1 & 2. One from each category. Then from week 3 onwards, every act will perform every night and one will be eliminated each time until the final With 3 acts like usual :shrug:

[Marsh.]

:joker:

[Marsh.]

The live shows will consist simply of Dermot announcing the winner at this rate.

[Epic.]

Just seen that it also says there will be a weekly prize vote where the viewers will basically vote for a winner each week...

Does this not just confirm who's winning the show? :umm2:

[supertv247]

Does this not just confirm who's winning the show? :umm2:

That’s what I thought :shrug:
It will be a completely separate vote from the actual vote that counts towards eliminations though... (Maybe just an app vote?) - it’s all pretty strange

[andybigbro]

They really are destroying what is left of the show

[Babayaro.]

And we all thought the BB producers were brainless jobbies...

[BBUK-Fan]

Really are ruining the show, everyone moans about the long weeks of lives but they are better than what they do now. Total fix

[Nicky91]

Oh I didn't know this existed :skull:

mess, it was my fave group performance from x factor :amazed:

[lewis111]

How is 3 eliminations going to work with this format? It's bizarre
Maybe just no Saturday elimination and 3 with least votes go on Sunday but then a judge could loose 3 acts in one

[Morgan.]

Nicole to lose all 3 bore overs on Week 1 and be left with her mortal nemesis Talia :fc:

[RileyH]

Nicole to lose all 3 bore overs on Week 1 and be left with her mortal nemesis Talia :fc:

:laugh2:

[Ross.]

How is 3 eliminations going to work with this format? It's bizarre
Maybe just no Saturday elimination and 3 with least votes go on Sunday but then a judge could loose 3 acts in one

There's a guest on the Saturday though :skull: So something must be happening after it

[Black Dagger]

Nicole to lose all 3 bore overs on Week 1 and be left with her mortal nemesis Talia :fc:

Not when Kevin is the best act hun. Talia is ****e.

[Morgan.]

Not when Kevin is the best act hun. Talia is ****e.

You mustn't have watched the Performances of Rai-Elle, Holly, Talia, Sean and Connor, The CutKelvins, Spencer, Georgina and Leon then :hehe:

[Black Dagger]

Lmao @ Georgina and Sean and Connor

[Ross.]

Lmao @ Georgina and Sean and Connor

Start and I'm warning you now!

[Denver]

Lmao @ Georgina and Sean and Connor

Why do you always hate talent?

[RileyH]

Sean & Connor are rubbish tbf

[Babayaro.]

Sean & Connor are the worst along with Tracy.

[Denver]

Clearly not

[Babayaro.]

Easily.

[Denver]

You support someone who sings crappy covers its time to support real musicians

[Denver]

Sean and Connor are like no other group

[Babayaro.]

The Cutkelvins
Spencer
Kevin
Rai-Elle
Lloyd
Holly
Matt
Sam
Grace
Rak-Su
Sean & Connor
Tracy


Is the correct order.

[Denver]

Sean and Connor, Sam and Tracey are the only unique ones

[Babayaro.]

:joker:

[Denver]

Well the ones at the top of your list are carbon copies of other acts

[RileyH]

The Cutkelvins
Spencer
Kevin
Rai-Elle
Lloyd
Holly
Matt
Sam
Grace
Rak-Su
Sean & Connor
Tracy


Is the correct order.

Spencer is too high and Holly/Sam/Raksu are too low imo

[Babayaro.]

Well the ones at the top of your list are carbon copies of other acts

Go on...

[Denver]

Cultkelvins are basically Mk1
Spencer is Mason
Kevin is Daniel with a guitar
Rai-elle is Jade Ellis
Llyold is Craig
Holly is Emily Middlemass
Matt is Matt
Grace is Ella Henderson
Rak-su is Rough Copy

[Babayaro.]

Cultkelvins are basically Mk1 - Because one guy raps? Ok.

Spencer is Mason - Nothing like each other.

Kevin is Daniel with a guitar - Which Daniel?

Rai-elle is Jade Ellis - Nope.

Llyold is Craig - Because he's a bit chubby?

Holly is Emily Middlemass - Look alike but have completely different sounds soo...

Matt is Matt - A tiny bit, Matt was more versatile though

Grace is Ella Henderson - Grace isn't a ballad singer. Only similarities is that they are both songwriters

Rak-su is Rough Copy - Again, just because they both rap? In that case, Ed Sheeran and Eminem are the same person.
.

[cliffxen]

Cultkelvins are basically Mk1
Spencer is Mason
Kevin is Daniel with a guitar
Rai-elle is Jade Ellis
Llyold is Craig
Holly is Emily Middlemass
Matt is Matt
Grace is Ella Henderson
Rak-su is Rough Copy

this.

anyway dont get the hate for tracey. the rest are gibberish compared to her.

[Brother Leon]

Axing the best bit of the show which was the sing off.. show deserves to die.

[Babayaro.]

Those comparisons are utter guff.

[supertv247]

They axed the judges decisions on BGT this year too and honestly it was a terrible move.. Wouldn't it even be better if they had a bottom 2 and let the judges decide who goes? No sing off needed because they'll have only just performed that same night. That way it isn't as risky as letting the public decide everything

[Denver]

They axed the judges decisions on BGT this year too and honestly it was a terrible move.. Wouldn't it even be better if they had a bottom 2 and let the judges decide who goes? No sing off needed because they'll have only just performed that same night. That was it isn't as risky as letting the public decide everything

They hardly use it right anyway

[Nicky91]

Grace, The Cutkelvins are the best acts

no discussion needed :smug:

[RileyH]

Grace is not one of the best smh

[Nicky91]

Grace is not one of the best smh

:oh: yes she is, she's classy, she's perfect

[RileyH]

:oh: yes she is, she's classy, she's perfect

she's the worst out of the 3 girls

[Denver]

If she is going to sing her own songs every live show then she wont connect with viewers same as Rak-su

[supertv247]

They're not allowed to sing original songs in the live shows.

I predict the final 3 to be Grace, Holly & The Cutkelvins. I think Holly could sneak up and overtake Grace as the favourite very soon

[Denver]

They're not allowed to sing original songs in the live shows.

I predict the final 3 to be Grace, Holly & The Cutkelvins. I think Holly could sneak up and overtake Grace as the favourite very soon

Its was said a while ago they were getting rid of themes and encouraging original material

[LukeB]

They're not allowed to sing original songs in the live shows.

I predict the final 3 to be Grace, Holly & The Cutkelvins. I think Holly could sneak up and overtake Grace as the favourite very soon

Yep

Grace said she is singing covers and she has her songs for week 1 and 2

[lewis111]

Sean and Connor, Sam and Tracey are the only unique ones

Sam is unique compared to the other boys, not unique in any other way

But I really really don't see what's unique about white boys with guitars with avergae voices who do a bit it song writing

[LukeB]

Sam is unique compared to the other boys, not unique in any other way

But I really really don't see what's unique about white boys with guitars with avergae voices who do a bit it song writing

Exactly

James Arthur did it years before them
Matt Cardle had a guitar too

So its been done before

Tracey is like a better version of Monica so she isn’t unique

[supertv247]

Its was said a while ago they were getting rid of themes and encouraging original material

They were encouraging original material in the earlier rounds, not in live shows. Grave has said so herself. And the updated T&C's say there will still be themes...

[Black Dagger]

Why do you always hate talent?

My top 4 all have voices and stage presence xo

[LukeB]

My top 4 all have voices and stage presence xo

I can confirm this and all have talent especially rai-elle

[user104658]

Been trash since the year James Arfur won anyway. It used to have classic moments like Yoghurt Quinn running on stage crying because his khaleesi got voted off... My fav x factor moment. And hilarious misjudgements like "Tabby", hahaha. And obvz the Jedward year... Even Vaahgnah was magical.

Its just a tired old hag now.

[lewis111]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/4750380/x-factor-elimination-five-contestants-two-weeks/

2 acts go this week 3 the week after

So it was the Sun that said 3 would go this week so maybe it won't happen but I knew I saw it somewhere

[Jack_]

Starting to think the quad elimination will be next week so they can get away with having the Groups and Girls on the same night because someone will have to leave from each category anyway