NHS bed and breakfast

[TomToWin]

NHS to debate and possibly trial run a scheme that pays people £50 a night to house recovering patients in their spare rooms!

Can this work?

[Niamh.]

Why would they not just send them home? :/

[TomToWin]

Why would they not just send them home? :/

GOOD POINT.

One I had not thought of.

[Vicky.]

Why would they not just send them home? :/

When I was in hospital for a fortnight, there was a huge problem with OAPS bed blocking as they just...did not want to go home to an empty house. Seriously. Its pretty ridiculous and sad at the same time.

[Niamh.]

When I was in hospital for a fortnight, there was a huge problem with OAPS bed blocking as they just...did not want to go home to an empty house. Seriously. Its pretty ridiculous and sad at the same time.

That is sad, but do they expect the people who take them in to be sort of nurses as well or what? idgi maybe a better option would be to have a recovery wing built or something?

[MTVN]

I think the idea was that the hosts would have to supply meals and drinks and keep them company but that would be it pretty much. They wouldn't need any special experience but they would get some training and have a helpline to call if they had any problems.

I don't think it was actually that bad an idea but the hospital who was going to trial it has now backed out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-41763730

[Niamh.]

I think the idea was that the hosts would have to supply meals and drinks and keep them company but that would be it pretty much. They wouldn't need any special experience but they would get some training and have a helpline to call if they had any problems.

I don't think it was actually that bad an idea but the hospital who was going to trial it has now backed out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-41763730

It's alot to ask of someone for €50 a night though

[Vicky.]

Don't think you would need training as (from experience and what I heard in hospital anyway) theres not actually anything 'wrong' with those who block beds most of the time. Just ****ing loneliness. But a hospital cannot afford to keep these people on wards when others are not having a bed at all when they need one, just because someones family refuses tyo see them more than once a week. I mean yeah its sad, but its ****ing selfish as **** to stay in hospital when you don't need to be there, just for the social life.

A friend of mine is a nurse and says this is getting much worse, and the staff apparently cannot force them to go, as they will then start saying they have pains..and the staff can't just say 'well no you don't and we know you are lying/exaggerating' on the off chance they aren't. Same people all the time too apparently. Must be so frustrating for staff. Especially when hospitals are so busy. Hell last time I was in, the corridors were filled with very ill people as there just wasn't the rooms./ But when I was admitted, I was met with yet another old person who felt the need to beam at me and tell me that her son was on holiday so she didn't want to be left alone so had ****ing came to hospital. Really...wtf. The staff know they are taking the psis, but can't do anything about it.

[smudgie]

This would be open to so much abuse.
If the people are fit enough to go home then why not just pay someone to pop in a few times a day to keep them company and make them a cuppa, if they need more than this then it should be professional care.
Granny farming on a large scale:nono:

[Cherie]

This would be open to so much abuse.
If the people are fit enough to go home then why not just pay someone to pop in a few times a day to keep them company and make them a cuppa, if they need more than this then it should be professional care.
Granny farming on a large scale:nono:

I agree there are ALOT of holes in this, put them in a room and then what... its not like they can pop out and see the sights, and what about meals, where can you get b and b for 50.00 a night....and where are they going to go for other meals, just an awful idea

[Cherie]

Why not pay carers a decent wage instead, pay 15.00 an hour and they can go home and get three hours care, morning, noon and night instead of the 15 minutes or whatever it is carers are given to run in and out.

[joeysteele]

This would be open to so much abuse.
If the people are fit enough to go home then why not just pay someone to pop in a few times a day to keep them company and make them a cuppa, if they need more than this then it should be professional care.
Granny farming on a large scale:nono:

Agreed.

I think it was a poor idea anyway.
Thankfully more likely than not in my view,since it got leaked out, it appears to now be killed off.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well i cant imagine anything could possibly go wrong?

[DemolitionRed]

Don't think you would need training as (from experience and what I heard in hospital anyway) theres not actually anything 'wrong' with those who block beds most of the time. Just ****ing loneliness. But a hospital cannot afford to keep these people on wards when others are not having a bed at all when they need one, just because someones family refuses tyo see them more than once a week. I mean yeah its sad, but its ****ing selfish as **** to stay in hospital when you don't need to be there, just for the social life.

A friend of mine is a nurse and says this is getting much worse, and the staff apparently cannot force them to go, as they will then start saying they have pains..and the staff can't just say 'well no you don't and we know you are lying/exaggerating' on the off chance they aren't. Same people all the time too apparently. Must be so frustrating for staff. Especially when hospitals are so busy. Hell last time I was in, the corridors were filled with very ill people as there just wasn't the rooms./ But when I was admitted, I was met with yet another old person who felt the need to beam at me and tell me that her son was on holiday so she didn't want to be left alone so had ****ing came to hospital. Really...wtf. The staff know they are taking the psis, but can't do anything about it.

For a lot of the elderly who end up in hospital, they have no family, an uninterested family or a family that live hundreds of miles away. They are often admitted with acute medical conditions which are often non-specific. They are often frail and have other complex needs and even when they are considered well enough to go home, if they have no home carer there has to be a thorough geriatric assessment. If that assessment shows them to be confused, unsteady on their feet or have dementia, they will be kept in hospital whilst alternative arrangements are found. Its a legal requirement. We can't just kick them out on the street like they do in America. Fortunately, we have an obligation of care and there are very strict guidelines about what we can and can't do.

Personally, I don't think NHS hospitals are geared towards geriatrics. Its a clinically driven environment where needs for the elderly can't always be met. We need to have more rehabilitation centers and respite care homes that are NHS run. Private nursing homes cost upwards of a £thousand a week and subsidized nursing homes have long waiting lists.

[DemolitionRed]

I think it would be a good idea if people could foster an elderly person. During the fostering process, they would need to be carefully vetted and trained appropriately. Their accommodation would have to be suitable and they would have to be carefully monitored.

The suggestion of £50 a night is ridiculous though. A hospital bed costs £thousands a night, institutional style state-run homes const £hundreds a night. They would need to be sallaried the same as foster parents.

[Brillopad]

NHS to debate and possibly trial run a scheme that pays people £50 a night to house recovering patients in their spare rooms!

Can this work?

Cheap, unworkable idea. More slave labour ideas from the NHS. What they need to do is cut the salaries of managers who rarely earn it. No doubt the idea of some such managers trying to pass the buck.

[Beso]

Jimmy saville is gutted.

[Marsh.]

Why would they not just send them home? :/

GOOD POINT.

One I had not thought of.

I think this is aimed at lonely OAPs with no family to look out for them.

[Marsh.]

That is sad, but do they expect the people who take them in to be sort of nurses as well or what? idgi maybe a better option would be to have a recovery wing built or something?

You mean properly fund a national health service that fits our society's needs? :o

Where do you get these silly ideas?

[Cherie]

I think this is aimed at lonely OAPs with no family to look out for them.

It's aimed at any age group post surgery who live alone...

[Marsh.]

This would be open to so much abuse.
If the people are fit enough to go home then why not just pay someone to pop in a few times a day to keep them company and make them a cuppa, if they need more than this then it should be professional care.
Granny farming on a large scale:nono:

That's a point, there are all kinds of systems set up for home visits from nurses and carers, why not have one to simply check in with those who have not much family.

Nothing sadder than those stories where someone dies and aren't found for a long time because they're cut off from the world.

[Marsh.]

It's aimed at any age group post surgery who live alone...

Who live alone without much of a support system around them?

I doubt many people a lot younger than that age group would be at all interested in recuperating in a stranger's house or that many of them would have a problem with no family, friends, neighbours.

It's probably open to all ages, but we know which age group would predominantly benefit from it.

[Cherie]

Who live alone without much of a support system around them?

I doubt many people a lot younger than that age group would be at all interested in recuperating in a stranger's house or that many of them would have a problem with no family, friends, neighbours.

It's probably open to all ages, but we know which age group would predominantly benefit from it.

If you can't get out of bed you can't get out of bed no matter what age you are, nobody will benefit from this, its not care, it's just moving the problem into a B and B ...what happens when you need your dinner :umm2:

[Niamh.]

If you can't get out of bed you can't get out of bed no matter what age you are, nobody will benefit from this, its not care, it's just moving the problem into a B and B ...what happens when you need your dinner :umm2:50 quid to provide 3 meals, a bed for the night and be a nurse lol

[Cherie]

50 quid to provide 3 meals, a bed for the night and be a nurse lol

That's the thing it is 50.00 for B and B no mention of anything else :laugh: honestly there are some thicko's around

[Marsh.]

If you can't get out of bed you can't get out of bed no matter what age you are, nobody will benefit from this, its not care, it's just moving the problem into a B and B ...what happens when you need your dinner :umm2:

I assume the "B&B" nature of the scheme includes food?

Yes, but it's for the lonely people who don't have much in the way of visitors and people looking out for them. There'll be a lot less patients outside of the OAP age range.

I imagine anyone in great need of constant medical attention would qualify to remain in a bed in hospital. This is for those who need a little time to recuperate, live isolated lives but are otherwise fine to be out of hospital.

[Cherie]

I assume the "B&B" nature of the scheme includes food?

Yes, but it's for the lonely people who don't have much in the way of visitors and people looking out for them. There'll be a lot less patients outside of the OAP age range.

I imagine anyone in great need of constant medical attention would qualify to remain in a bed in hospital. This is for those who need a little time to recuperate, live isolated lives but are otherwise fine to be out of hospital.

B and B is what it says on the tin, no one is going to provide 3 meals a day and a room for 50.00, 90 kids a day are taken into care most of those will stay there who will be there for them in young adulthood? Or If they need surgery, it's a cop out to say it's elderly people who will need this predominantly

[Marsh.]

B and B is what it says on the tin, no one is going to provide 3 meals a day and a room for 50.00, 90 kids a day are taken into care most of those will stay there who will be there for them in young adulthood? Or If they need surgery, it's a cop out to say it's elderly people who will need this predominantly

It's not a cop out.

Kids who are taken into care have those systems in place for them. Doesn't automatically mean they'll go through life/adulthood without forging any relationships, friendships, lives for themselves.

Entirely different to lonely old people, who are lonely through their friends/families either dying or they too are old and frail and don't see one another. There's a reason loneliness and isolation is a problem amongst the elderly.

That's not to say people from all walks of life and ages can't be in a similar predicament, but it's not as widespread.

[waterhog]

NHS to debate and possibly trial run a scheme that pays people £50 a night to house recovering patients in their spare rooms!

Can this work?

this is crazy - can not seeing this working just from the legal aspect.

with might have a few bed lodgers on TIBB forum. eyes peeled everyone. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

this is crazy - can not seeing this working just from the legal aspect.

with might have a few bed lodgers on TIBB forum. eyes peeled everyone. :laugh:

I've already booked a room at Niamh's.

*coughs*

[Cherie]

It's not a cop out.

Kids who are taken into care have those systems in place for them. Doesn't automatically mean they'll go through life/adulthood without forging any relationships, friendships, lives for themselves.

Entirely different to lonely old people, who are lonely through their friends/families either dying or they too are old and frail and don't see one another. There's a reason loneliness and isolation is a problem amongst the elderly.

That's not to say people from all walks of life and ages can't be in a similar predicament, but it's not as widespread.

You are missing the point, this has nothing to to with loneliness, it's about bed blocking, most people in hospital want to go home, they don't want to go into a strangers house, they want to go home, be in their own environment and have trained carers to look after them , they don't want some random homeowner looking to maximise profit frying sausages for them no matter how lonely they are

[Marsh.]

You are missing the point, this has nothing to to with loneliness, it's about bed blocking, most people in hospital want to go home, they don't want to go into a strangers house, they want to go home, be in their own environment and have trained carers to look after them , they don't want some random homeowner looking to maximise profit frying sausages for them no matter how lonely they are

I don't think I am, given the interview I watched concerning this scheme on the news this morning.

It's about bed blocking, ergo getting rid of the patients who don't need to be in hospital, but sometimes remain there a little longer than necessary because they don't have anyone to help them out at home, especially if they're recuperating from an operation or something. This usually pertains to the elderly.

No, I too don't find that many people, even if they do live in isolation and struggle to care for themselves, would like the idea of living in some stranger's house no matter how short term. But that is the idea behind the scheme anyway.