Is it racist to dress up as a Zulu for event

[Vicky.]

Marsh actually probably has more infractions than everyone who has posted on the last few pages combined. I actually just checked his to compare with other members and the amount of them is staggering D: I knew he got a lot, but didn't realise quite how many

And is banned a hell of a lot :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Many a truth is spoken in jest.
Of course it is.

Unless it doesn't fit your agenda.

[Marsh.]

Marsh actually probably has more infractions than everyone who has posted on the last few pages combined. I actually just checked his to compare with other members and the amount of them is staggering D: I knew he got a lot, but didn't realise quite how many

And is banned a hell of a lot [emoji23]
:hee:

And in comparison can you share the number of reports made by myself?

I bet it's less than 10 in the 9 years since I joined.

[Vicky.]

In total, per day, or in the past year/month/whatever?

[jet]

Of course it is.

Unless it doesn't fit your agenda.

Give over, you badass. :omgno:

[Marsh.]

In total, per day, or in the past year/month/whatever?

The total and then the last year please. :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Per day in the past year works out at 0.044 per day. I just realised that asking if you meant per day made it look like there was loads :joker:

16 reports in the last year. Which includes 2 for reporting friends as joke reports.

[Marsh.]

Give over, you badass. :omgno:

Sorry, you're not allowed to direct any post my way without a signed permission slip from both members of the admin team.

Many thanks.

[Marsh.]

Per day in the past year works out at 0.045 per day. I just realised that asking if you meant per day made it look like there was loads :joker:

16 reports in the last year. Which includes 2 for reporting friends.

:clap1: Thank you my love.

What's my total overall?

[jaxie]

I am finding this TS thing pretty weird and hard to follow.

The accusation seemed to be that mods were biased against certain members who get infractions a lot and that TS gets away with none. Implications that the members were actually innocent of any wrongdoing, yet punished as TS has 'mod protection' and reports a lot or something

TS showed that this is not true, and he also receives infractions.

After posting proof of his many infractions, the argument appears to have shifted to basically TS has infractions so obviously insults people a lot.

So are we now taking infractions as proof that members insult people/break rules, rather than pretending that infractions are only given because of bias? :suspect: All a little hard to follow tbh.

Of course I may be misunderstanding the whole thing. And if I am I apologize. Find a few contradictory positions pretty hard to understand tbh, but accept I may also have read/understood those wrong too D:

I think maybe it depends on who is doing the talking at the time? For instance I've never said he is a teacher's pet. In fact I found it quite encouraging I'm not the only one who noticed he is too provocative sometimes. Ultimately it is a shame. TS has something to offer if he felt he had to take issue with people less he would be a lot more worth listening to.

Sorry to be discussing you TS but you can see it.

[Marsh.]

I sent 2 joke reports. :omgno: I don't remember that. :laugh:

[Vicky.]

38 in total.

[Marsh.]

38 in 9 years. Look at me I just continue to abuse that report button.

[jet]

In total, per day, or in the past year/month/whatever?

This is all very interesting. :laugh:

Can you do my infractions and reports in the last year too? Just to show what a good boy I am? :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Sorry. Add on another 14. As you were 08marsh. Didn't factor in the name change :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Tbf, that sounds about right. I remember sending a number of reports about a specific user a number of years ago. Some of them probably not worth the report itself but they were quite an awful person. :fist:

[Vicky.]

Oh in the last year. 2 secs, misread that D:

[Jack_]

Go on then...what's my total reports too please? I've always maintained I hate the button and have used it sparingly :laugh:

[Vicky.]

0 infractions for jet in a year, and reported 0 posts :smug:

[jet]

Jet has had 10 infractions and 2 warnings since joining.

And has reported 14 posts in total :)

How many in the last year? Am I improving? :angel:

[Vicky.]

Go on then...what's my total reports too please? I've always maintained I hate the button and have used it sparingly :laugh:

You have reported 2 posts since joining.

Your last report was on 27-08-2013

[thesheriff443]

In other news, I just pissed on my left sock.

[jet]

0 infractions for jet in a year, and reported 0 posts :smug:

Thanks, we posted at the same time. :hee:

[Jack_]

You have reported 2 posts since joining.

Your last report was on 27-08-2013

Now that's a record! :hehe:

[jet]

In other news, I just pissed on my left sock.

Oh dear. :hehe:
Lucky you weren't wearing a right sock though.

[thesheriff443]

Oh dear. :hehe:
Lucky you weren't wearing a right sock though.

I was using the right one as a marsh glove puppet, and he was saying some silly stuff I can tell you.

[Marsh.]

I was using the right one as a marsh glove puppet, and he was saying some silly stuff I can tell you.

Makes a change from preaching the rights and wrongs of sexual activity.

Oh wait.

[Kizzy]

0 infractions for jet in a year, and reported 0 posts :smug:

Come on, seeing as I'm the reporting qween let's have mine :laugh:

[user104658]

With a rebel Yeeeell she crie... Oh wait Marsh has loads more? Need to up my game :hmph:

[user104658]

I think maybe it depends on who is doing the talking at the time? For instance I've never said he is a teacher's pet. In fact I found it quite encouraging I'm not the only one who noticed he is too provocative sometimes. Ultimately it is a shame. TS has something to offer if he felt he had to take issue with people less he would be a lot more worth listening to.

Sorry to be discussing you TS but you can see it.

That's probably a fair enough assessment actually ... but this place can be so goshdarned frustrating. I think Vicky is right; we need these threads to blow out the cobwebs. Let's make it a bi-monthly event!

[Marsh.]

With a rebel Yeeeell she crie... Oh wait Marsh has loads more? Need to up my game :hmph:

Come join me up here! :smug:

[smudgie]

I honestly can't remember reporting anyone, but I have this niggle at the back of my mind....:joker:

[thesheriff443]

Makes a change from preaching the rights and wrongs of sexual activity.

Oh wait.

Sounds like you are calling marsh the sock puppet a wanker.

[Marsh.]

Sounds like you are calling marsh the sock puppet a wanker.

Sounds like you're baiting.

[Vicky.]

Come on, seeing as I'm the reporting qween let's have mine :laugh:

I can't give you yours from since you joined, as its over 500 which is the max I can search :laugh: So 500+

Last year though 81

[Vicky.]

With a rebel Yeeeell she crie... Oh wait Marsh has loads more? Need to up my game :hmph:

A lot of catching up to do. Marsh literally has 6 times as many as you

Mind he has like 5 years on you too :tongue:

[Marsh.]

I can't give you yours from since you joined, as its over 500 which is the max I can search [emoji23] So 500+

Last year though 81
:fan:

[thesheriff443]

Sounds like you're baiting.

Let it go now!, I don't mix my words.

[Beso]

Marsh actually probably has more infractions than everyone who has posted on the last few pages combined. I actually just checked his to compare with other members and the amount of them is staggering D: I knew he got a lot, but didn't realise quite how many

And is banned a hell of a lot :laugh:

Im disputing that.

[user104658]

A lot of catching up to do. Marsh literally has 6 times as many as you

Mind he has like 5 years on you too:tongue:

Still, if a I've been here 4 years, and he has 6 times as many, then for it to be the same rate Marsh would have had to have been a member for 24 years :joker:.

[user104658]

Come on, seeing as I'm the reporting qween let's have mine [emoji23]She was the reporting qweeeeen,
young and sweet
ooonly seventeeeen...
Reporting qweeeeen,
Marsh is beating his tambouriiine
oh yeeeeah

[Beso]

Hold on here....ive had infractions and probably served a ban fir discussing infractions on the forum....now mods are doing it....dont you pricks not see how that makes me feel...this place is nasty as **** ran by a mob of useless, one sided full of themselves, power hungry mods...only decent and fair one is james himself....time he culled them if this is how they bend rules to suit themselves..

[thesheriff443]

Kizzy logged on looking for action but all she got was another infraction
Much to livia,s satisfaction

[Josy]

Hold on here....ive had infractions and probably served a ban fir discussing infractions on the forum....now mods are doing it....dont you pricks not see how that makes me feel...this place is nasty as **** ran by a mob of useless, one sided full of themselves, power hungry mods...only decent and fair one is james himself....time he culled them if this is how they bend rules to suit themselves..

Well thanks for the nice comments there parm but...

Discussing your own infractions is against the rules when brought up on the main forum instead of messaging a mod/admin and 99% of the time this is done to moan about being infracted unfairly, like other mods have mentioned in the thread though, we sometimes let threads like this run its course allowing members to get things off of their chest, that sometimes includes queries about infractions and moderating policies on the forum which we are willing to answer so people get a better understanding of how it the system works.

[user104658]

Hold on here....ive had infractions and probably served a ban fir discussing infractions on the forum....now mods are doing it....dont you pricks not see how that makes me feel...this place is nasty as **** ran by a mob of useless, one sided full of themselves, power hungry mods...only decent and fair one is james himself....time he culled them if this is how they bend rules to suit themselves..You sound tense Parm. This thread is a safe place; let it all out.

[Josy]

Although hopefully others will understand by reading your last comment that NO MATTER what we do on here we will always get grief because we can't make everyone happy...

[Beso]

No, no you cant. Do you even try though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hold on here....ive had infractions and probably served a ban fir discussing infractions on the forum....now mods are doing it....dont you pricks not see how that makes me feel...this place is nasty as **** ran by a mob of useless, one sided full of themselves, power hungry mods...only decent and fair one is james himself....time he culled them if this is how they bend rules to suit themselves..

"this place is nasty as **** ran by a mob of useless, one sided full of themselves, power hungry mods"

Not the mod job spec being exposed

:shocked:

[thesheriff443]

Sounds like good cop bad cop, mods on the whole do a great job,I don't always agree with them, but they do a thankless job. Much like the police.

[Beso]

And, as its been stated by a mod that banned members just make a multi why isnt that member banned for life for doing so....and can we have a list of members who have infractions or bans for making them, along with the names of the multi please as i feel like ive been on the recieving end of an attack by a multi b4...

[user104658]

i feel like ive been on the recieving end of an attack by a multi b4...

This isn't Marsh's sexual judgement thread :fist:

[Kizzy]

Kizzy logged on looking for action but all she got was another infraction
Much to livia,s satisfaction

I don't get infractions anymore....I'm a good girl
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[Brillopad]

I don't get infractions anymore....I'm a good girl
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/pictures/immaculate_heart.jpg

Believing you ‘make the world a better place’ was always somewhat of a push. Delusional optimism That most definitely depends on perspective.

[Kizzy]

Believing you ‘make the world a better place’ was always somewhat of a push. Delusional optimism That most definitely depends on perspective.

Is it better to be a small minded bigoted hater though?

[Brillopad]

Is it better to be a small minded bigoted hater though?

You tell me.

[chuff me dizzy]

Of course several people have grown weary of her posts! Her posts have led to a 20 page discussion. Me saying that barely makes me a bully, it's evidently entirely accurate. there are actually far worse (and more accurate) ways to describe brillos posting style but I reframed for the sake of it, you on the other hand... You personally not being bothered by (at the best) baity childishness or (at worst) actual racism is up to you.

Don't see anybody else on this forum ever be accused of racism, not even banned members really. So maybe we all need to have a think as to the single reason why that may be. The answer will shock you.

Seriously ? If I dislike a HM8 who just happens to be non white Im called a racist, its nothing to do with this HM8 being an arrogant nasty prat I only dislike them because they are not white this doesn't happen sometimes,it happens all the time if I even make a comment about a non white HM8 ( it could even be a person I like ) out comes the racist banner, its rife on here so please don't make out it doesn't happen because it does EVERY series

[Brillopad]

Seriously ? If I dislike a HM8 who just happens to be non white Im called a racist, its nothing to do with this HM8 being an arrogant nasty prat I only dislike them because they are not white this doesn't happen sometimes,it happens all the time if I even make a comment about a non white HM8 ( it could even be a person I like ) out comes the racist banner, its rife on here so please don't make out it doesn't happen because it does EVERY series

It’s also rife in the SD section when there is any criticism from anyone on mass migration and/or Islam. The ‘racist’ hunters quickly crawl out of the woodwork.

[chuff me dizzy]

It’s also rife in the SD section when there is any criticism from anyone on mass migration and/or Islam. The ‘racist’ hunters quickly crawl out of the woodwork.

The hypocrisy !! Yet we have members who once HM8s start to get leaked INSTANTLY before they have even entered the house support them because of their skin colour and God forbid you don't like them for reasons on their awful personality ,you are a racist, it cannot be because the HM8 is a twat oh no !! ,always the same people every series

[user104658]

Seriously ? If I dislike a HM8 who just happens to be non white Im called a racist, its nothing to do with this HM8 being an arrogant nasty prat I only dislike them because they are not white this doesn't happen sometimes,it happens all the time if I even make a comment about a non white HM8 ( it could even be a person I like ) out comes the racist banner, its rife on here so please don't make out it doesn't happen because it does EVERY series

To be fair we're talking about the SD forum specifically here, aren't we? We all know that the on-season and Chat+Games forums are cesspits. On all topics. That's just a given.

That said, I absolutely despised Gina in the Dexter/Gina/Hazel et al year and was pretty vocal about it, and have to say I was never accused of racism for it. Maybe it's gotten worse in recent years? I dunno. I don't really watch the civilian series any more.

[Kizzy]

You tell me.

Are you suggesting I'm a small minded bigoted hater?

[chuff me dizzy]

To be fair we're talking about the SD forum specifically here, aren't we? We all know that the on-season and Chat+Games forums are cesspits. On all topics. That's just a given.

That said, I absolutely despised Gina in the Dexter/Gina/Hazel et al year and was pretty vocal about it, and have to say I was never accused of racism for it. Maybe it's gotten worse in recent years? I dunno. I don't really watch the civilian series any more.

You were lucky then :joker:

[thesheriff443]

Serious debates is a waste of time, in the real world you would not have a conversation with someone you don't like over a subject that does not involve you.

Also on here you are entitled to an an opinion but you are not entitled to a reply that's up to the member who has an opinion you don't agree with.

[chuff me dizzy]

Serious debates is a waste of time, in the real world you would not have a conversation with someone you don't like over a subject that does not involve you.

Also on here you are entitled to an an opinion but you are not entitled to a reply that's up to the member who has an opinion you don't agree with.

I will drift off back to Strictly threads and wait for BB to start lol

[user104658]

Serious debates is a waste of time, in the real world you would not have a conversation with someone you don't like over a subject that does not involve you.

I'm honestly not saying this to be offensive, but you'd have to have a pretty simple life for this to be true?

[DemolitionRed]

Serious debates is a waste of time, in the real world you would not have a conversation with someone you don't like over a subject that does not involve you.

Also on here you are entitled to an an opinion but you are not entitled to a reply that's up to the member who has an opinion you don't agree with.

Are you saying that our countries affairs don't involve us? perhaps you like to go about your day opinionless but that's on you.

[Livia]

Well thanks for the nice comments there parm but...

Discussing your own infractions is against the rules when brought up on the main forum instead of messaging a mod/admin and 99% of the time this is done to moan about being infracted unfairly, like other mods have mentioned in the thread though, we sometimes let threads like this run its course allowing members to get things off of their chest, that sometimes includes queries about infractions and moderating policies on the forum which we are willing to answer so people get a better understanding of how it the system works.

As there is no longer an appeals section, I'm not surprised that people want to discuss their infractions because God know, a mod will never PM you back despite the fact this is said every time this subject comes up. It is a waste of time to expect a mod to reply.

I already understand how the system works. You have a long list of rules that could be condensed down to ten bullet points, and those rules are interpreted differently by each mod. None of the mods are trained or paid, they are just randoms like the rest of us with no extra skills, only their own interpretation of the rules. And no one moderates the moderators.

[Niamh.]

I can't speak for the other Mods but I pretty much reply to all PMs unless they get abusive

[Kizzy]

Well I think the mods are very fair.... fragrant and attractive ;)

[Livia]

I can't speak for the other Mods but I pretty much reply to all PMs unless they get abusive

I can assure you that no one has ever replied to me, and speaking to other people, I know I'm not alone.

[Josy]

As there is no longer an appeals section, I'm not surprised that people want to discuss their infractions because God know, a mod will never PM you back despite the fact this is said every time this subject comes up. It is a waste of time to expect a mod to reply.

I already understand how the system works. You have a long list of rules that could be condensed down to ten bullet points, and those rules are interpreted differently by each mod. None of the mods are trained or paid, they are just randoms like the rest of us with no extra skills, only their own interpretation of the rules. And no one moderated the moderators.

Well thats just not true livia, mods do reply to plenty messages about infractions and any other queries, im sure plenty of members can confirm this I've done so many many times as have all the mods and its posted about in admin plenty.

No none of us are paid but we do have plenty of experience and skills moderating this forum (and others) and dealing with a massive amount of other things that pop up many that none of you are even aware of.

The rules are there as a guideline but for most things nothing can be set in absolute stone due to the different scenarios and rule breaks on here, the same goes for infractions and bans, mods do at times use thier own discretion but all of us see any infractions and bans that are given out which also adds to my next point about no one moderating the mods, again nothing is done without all of us seeing it, theres a thread automatically generated for every single warning or infraction that is given out and many of those threads have large discussions in them some resulting in infractions and bans being reversed.

Theres also a shortened version of the rules if its a big deal for you to read the ling version.

In all honesty, you say you know how the system works then go on to post things that are simply not true.

I think the mods on here do a great job and get little to no thanks for it, most of the time they get nothing but **** and most complaints tbqh are from people that break a rule but cant handle the consequences of it.

[user104658]

I can assure you that no one has ever replied to me, and speaking to other people, I know I'm not alone.

What's your secret? I can't get them to STOP PMing me, if anything I feel harassed! Mostly they PM just for moderating advice, like "Hey TS sorry to bother you again but I'm not sure what to do about this post?" and I tell them what to do. Every now and then, I'll get one of them to infract me or delete a couple of my posts just for appearances sake but for the mostpart it's a system that works well... I'm just getting sick of these "Your PM box is 92% full!" notifications.

[Niamh.]

I can assure you that no one has ever replied to me, and speaking to other people, I know I'm not alone.

have you ever sent me a PM and got no reply?

[chuff me dizzy]

Ive had messages answered and lots ignored

[Niamh.]

Ive had messages answered and lots ignored

I'm pretty sure I've always replied to any you've sent me Chuff

[Kizzy]

I always get replies too... you guys, thanks for the birthday wishes and yes the fam are well thanks :)
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[chuff me dizzy]

I'm pretty sure I've always replied to any you've sent me Chuff

Yes you have Niamh

[Crimson Dynamo]

i sent a very heartfelt one to Neem when I was scandalously banned for homophobic racism baiting and all i got back was a picture of a potato in the shape of a penis

I had the last laugh however as I already had been sent that image ages ago from Vicky when she was asking me if my divorce had been finalised and was I back on the market.

:smug:

[Livia]

Well thats just not true livia, mods do reply to plenty messages about infractions and any other queries, im sure plenty of members can confirm this I've done so many many times as have all the mods and its posted about in admin plenty.

No none of us are paid but we do have plenty of experience and skills moderating this forum (and others) and dealing with a massive amount of other things that pop up many that none of you are even aware of.

The rules are there as a guideline but for most things nothing can be set in absolute stone due to the different scenarios and rule breaks on here, the same goes for infractions and bans, mods do at times use thier own discretion but all of us see any infractions and bans that are given out which also adds to my next point about no one moderating the mods, again nothing is done without all of us seeing it, theres a thread automatically generated for every single warning or infraction that is given out and many of those threads have large discussions in them some resulting in infractions and bans being reversed.

Theres also a shortened version of the rules if its a big deal for you to read the ling version.

In all honesty, you say you know how the system works then go on to post things that are simply not true.

I think the mods on here do a great job and get little to no thanks for it, most of the time they get nothing but **** and most complaints tbqh are from people that break a rule but cant handle the consequences of it.

You think I might need to read a shortened version of the rules? A little sarcastic, I feel, although you have little chance of being infracted, whatever you or any other moderator says to me.

Yes, yes, the mods to a great job. You don't get paid and you take all the crap in the world it's the stock answer. But you still do it. And why is that? You all get something out of it and that's good. But you still all interpret the rules differently and I have never, ever had a reply from the mods in query to an infraction. And sometimes those infractions are unwarranted and vindictive. Because mods are just a bunch of people like us who like some people and don't like others. I've seen it in the actual legal system, don't tell me it's not that way on a internet forum because is clearly is. I'm not even really talking about my own experiences here, but what I've seen an heard over the years.

And still no one moderates the moderators.

[chuff me dizzy]

You think I might need to read a shortened version of the rules? A little sarcastic, I feel, although you have little chance of being infracted, whatever you or any other moderator says to me.

Yes, yes, the mods to a great job. You don't get paid and you take all the crap in the world it's the stock answer. But you still do it. And why is that? You all get something out of it and that's good. But you still all interpret the rules differently and I have never, ever had a reply from the mods in query to an infraction. And sometimes those infractions are unwarranted and vindictive. Because mods are just a bunch of people like us who like some people and don't like others. I've seen it in the actual legal system, don't tell me it's not that way on a internet forum because is clearly is. I'm not even really talking about my own experiences here, but what I've seen an heard over the years.

And still no one moderates the moderators.

I agree

[Niamh.]

i sent a very heartfelt one to Neem when I was scandalously banned for homophobic racism baiting and all i got back was a picture of a potato in the shape of a penis

I had the last laugh however as I already had been sent that image ages ago from Vicky when she was asking me if my divorce had been finalised and was I back on the market.

:smug:

That was sent with love, how dare you LT :fist:

[Livia]

have you ever sent me a PM and got no reply?

No. I never complained directly to you because you were my friend.

[Josy]

You think I might need to read a shortened version of the rules? A little sarcastic, I feel, although you have little chance of being infracted, whatever you or any other moderator says to me.

Yes, yes, the mods to a great job. You don't get paid and you take all the crap in the world it's the stock answer. But you still do it. And why is that? You all get something out of it and that's good. But you still all interpret the rules differently and I have never, ever had a reply from the mods in query to an infraction. And sometimes those infractions are unwarranted and vindictive. Because mods are just a bunch of people like us who like some people and don't like others. I've seen it in the actual legal system, don't tell me it's not that way on a internet forum because is clearly is. I'm not even really talking about my own experiences here, but what I've seen an heard over the years.

And still no one moderates the moderators.You just said yourself the rules should be shortened? My reply was to that comment.

Im also pretty sure ive replied to infraction queries from you but I will check this out later from my pc.

At the end of the day Livia, if you dont like the forum or the way its run you dont have to post, but you agreed to the rules when you signed up.

[Kizzy]

No. I never complained directly to you because you were my friend.

So there's some favouritism there is there? Well why not spare a thought for us mere mortals who can't class mods amongst our fwends :hmph:

[user104658]

No. I never complained directly to you because you were my friend.

Burn...

[Niamh.]

No. I never complained directly to you because you were my friend.

That's fair enough but genuinely I do reply to PMs unless like I said the person is being abusive (thankfully that doesn't happen too much)

[Josy]

Ive had messages answered and lots ignoredYouve never had any ignored from me.

[Livia]

You just said yourself the rules should be shortened? My reply was to that comment.

Im also pretty sure ive replied to infraction queries from you but I will check this out later from my pc.

At the end of the day Livia, if you dont like the forum or the way its run you dont have to post, but you agreed to the rules when you signed up.

I was suggesting the rules be shorted so the mods can apply them a little more fairly. I understand them completely.

Yes have a look for those messages Josy, I'd be interested to know how many you find.

That's the trouble. I do like the forum. This place dragged me through some of the worst times of my life and I've met some people who I consider to be friends. And what you're saying is, if you don't like the way we do things, leave. Great way of dealing with people's concerns. Not an effective way though because SO many people have taken your advice to heart.

And still no one moderates the moderators.

[Livia]

So there's some favouritism there is there? Well why not spare a thought for us mere mortals who can't class mods amongst our fwends :hmph:

Knock off the baiting Kizzy, I'm not in the mood.

[Josy]

I was suggesting the rules be shorted so the mods can apply them a little more fairly. I understand them completely.

Yes have a look for those messages Josy, I'd be interested to know how many you find.

That's the trouble. I do like the forum. This place dragged me through some of the worst times of my life and I've met some people who I consider to be friends. And what you're saying is, if you don't like the way we do things, leave. Great way of dealing with people's concerns. Not an effective way though because SO many people have taken your advice to heart.

And still no one moderates the moderators.

No im not saying that, but you do only pop up here these days to have a snipe at us, i dont see why anyone would bother doing that... the fact is the forum rules wont be changed to suit 1 person when most of the time they work well.

Not sure why you feel the need to keep repeating about the mods being moderated when its already been explained how mods are monitered on the forum.

[thesheriff443]

Do members on here actually think voicing their opinions and arguing with members they don't like on here! A big brother forum, will change the world around them!

This site is nothing more than a playground for grown ups.

[user104658]

If the moderator's were moderated, who would moderate the moderator moderators? And if the moderator moderators were moderated by other moderators, who would moderate the moderator moderator moderators? And...

[user104658]

Do members on here actually think voicing their opinions and arguing with members they don't like on here! A big brother forum, will change the world around them!

This site is nothing more than a playground for grown ups.That's not really the point.

[Livia]

No im not saying that, but you do only pop up here these days to have a snipe at us, i dont see why anyone would bother doing that... the fact is the forum rules wont be changed to suit 1 person when most of the time they work well.

Not sure why you feel the need to keep repeating about the mods being moderated when its already been explained how mods are monitered on the forum.

I've never read how the mods are moderated.

And no, I don't pop in to snipe at you. I pop in because I've been here a while, and despite the fact that a lot of my friends have given up and sodded off, stupidly, I still like this forum and the majority of people in it, despite all it's many flaws. And to be honest, Josy, there isn't much of a chance to speak about this stuff. And even when there is I'm told (and I'm paraphrasing) if you don't like it you can **** off.

[Livia]

If the moderator's were moderated, who would moderate the moderator moderators? And if the moderator moderators were moderated by other moderators, who would moderate the moderator moderator moderators? And...

Helpful...

[user104658]

Helpful...Obviously I'm being sthilly with the phrasing but the point is still a valid one; the buck has to stop somewhere. You're asking who moderates the moderators but if someone did, who would be watching them, and so on.

[Kizzy]

Knock off the baiting Kizzy, I'm not in the mood.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/47/e6/e847e6c6425f6bff41b587f6063440db.jpg

[user104658]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/47/e6/e847e6c6425f6bff41b587f6063440db.jpgEnough Kizzy, this thread was actually getting somewhere at one point, don't be part of the problem :nono:.

[Kizzy]

Obviously I'm being sthilly with the phrasing but the point is still a valid one; the buck has to stop somewhere. You're asking who moderates the moderators but if someone did, who would be watching them, and so on.

https://cdn.mamamia.com.au/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/140303414.jpg

Sir! Sir!!! Me sir! :joker:

[MTVN]

We are sort of self-regulated because of the way each infraction creates a new thread in the Mod sub-forum so everyone can see it and question it if they wish. There have been plenty of times that an infraction has been reversed after a discussion because we're not one homogeneous voice that always thinks the same thing and sees everything the same way. We do actually disagree with each other quite often in there but normally settle on the majority vote. Plus there's always the Admins above the Mods who can act as a final voice if need be.

[Kizzy]

Enough Kizzy, this thread was actually getting somewhere at one point, don't be part of the problem :nono:.

She started it!!!!


Ok I'm joking,won't say another word honest. x

[Livia]

We are sort of self-regulated because of the way each infraction creates a new thread in the Mod sub-forum so everyone can see it and question it if they wish. There have been plenty of times that an infraction has been reversed after a discussion because we're not one homogeneous voice that always thinks the same thing and sees everything the same way. We do actually disagree with each other quite often in there but normally settle on the majority vote. Plus there's always the Admins above the Mods who can act as a final voice if need be.

That's very helpful, MTVN. Thanks for taking the time.

[Livia]

Obviously I'm being sthilly with the phrasing but the point is still a valid one; the buck has to stop somewhere. You're asking who moderates the moderators but if someone did, who would be watching them, and so on.

We're not talking about the CIA here. We're talking about TiBB. MTVN has kindly thrown some light on it for me.

[user104658]

We're not talking about the CIA here. We're talking about TiBB. MTVN has kindly thrown some light on it for me.Well that's sort of my point too, I guess... As fond as I am of TiBB, it's not a professional organisation, it's really a large-ish hobby site (that's not intended to be disrespectful of admins, it just is what it is) and we therefore can't expect a professional service. Everyone is going to have decisions that they disagree with of that seem unfair... I've had a couple of rants myself recently, and I supposedly get special treatment :shrug:.

[Livia]

Well that's sort of my point too, I guess... As fond as I am of TiBB, it's not a professional organisation, it's really a large-ish hobby site (that's not intended to be disrespectful of admins, it just is what it is) and we therefore can't expect a professional service. Everyone is going to have decisions that they disagree with of that seem unfair... I've had a couple of rants myself recently, and I supposedly get special treatment :shrug:.

Yes, I understand that and I agree, largely. The trouble is that when something happens that an FM feels is unfair, there seems to be nowhere to go. And that's not sustainable. It's moderated by amateurs in the art of conflict resolution and people management -and there's no offence intended there at all, there needs to be moderators and unless we all pay a huge subscription they will be amateurs, is all I mean) who get it wrong sometimes. There needs to be a way to appeal without getting on Mods' nerves, something that works for everyone otherwise people get frustrated and they leave. We've seen that.

Anyhoo, I've had my say here. Don't want to drag it out to the death...

[Tom4784]

Appeals didn't work before and I doubt we'll ever try it again.

We had hundreds of 'appeals' and only a handful of them were actually valid. The rest were people trying to undo obviously deserved infractions and being petty. We don't need an appeals system, it's easy enough to PM a mod and explain diplomatically why you think an infraction is wrong (when it's genuinely wrong and not 'He insulted ME first!') and if that's the case it'll be reversed.

[Niamh.]

I really think you're over thinking this Livia. The forum is quiet because BB isn't popular anymore and forums are kind of dying out too in general with other types of social media taking over. People have always came and went from the forum, in the past it wasn't as noticeable because there was always 10 more new members to replace them. But you don't want to hear that I'm sure, it seems to suit your agenda to just blame us for everything these days which is a bit disappointing

[Tom4784]

As for the whole report thing a while back, reporting doesn't grant the reporter immunity or result in an instant infraction for whoever got reported. Quite often, if I'm looking at a report, I'll see that both sides are in the wrong and infract both, or sometimes just the reporter if it's an invalid report and they've broken the rules in the thread themselves.

If you are going to report someone, make sure it's an actual valid reason beyond 'I don't like this person' and make sure you aren't breaking the rules either because we'll try to read as much as the thread as possible beyond the reported post to understand the situation and context better so we'll see any further rule breaks.

[Livia]

I really think you're over thinking this Livia. The forum is quiet because BB isn't popular anymore and forums are kind of dying out too in general with other types of social media taking over. People have always came and went from the forum, in the past it wasn't as noticeable because there was always 10 more new members to replace them. But you don't want to hear that I'm sure, it seems to suit your agenda to just blame us for everything these days which is a bit disappointing

That's quite unfair, Niamh. I have no agenda. I feel quite sad that there can't be a discussion like this without being accused of having an agenda or being told, if you don't like the way we do things, you can leave. It does nothing to help the fact that the forum is quieter and we'd like new members to come, but also regulars to stay. And for the record I'm not laying the fact that people have left the forum squarely at the feet of the mods so I don't want to hear "I'm sure you don't want to hear that because you have an agenda...." I have no agenda.

And your reason for people leaving is quite plausible. Except I don't agree that it's as simple as that.

Anyhoo, I've said how I feel.

[Josy]

I've never read how the mods are moderated.

And no, I don't pop in to snipe at you. I pop in because I've been here a while, and despite the fact that a lot of my friends have given up and sodded off, stupidly, I still like this forum and the majority of people in it, despite all it's many flaws. And to be honest, Josy, there isn't much of a chance to speak about this stuff. And even when there is I'm told (and I'm paraphrasing) if you don't like it you can **** off.

Im actually curious to know who ive told to leave the forum? since its not something in the habit of doing and who it is thats actually left the forum due to this.

No there isnt much of a chance to speak about it unless you contact someone through pm or the contact us option and actually detail what your grievance actually is, sniping in threads about mods and rules doesnt help anyone or solve anything.

Or like previously stated we sometimes do allow threads like this to remain open so members get can get things off thier chest.

Again you arent being told to leave or **** off or whatever else but the rules wont be changed for the sake of keeping one member from leaving the forum and if you dont like the rules or the way mods moderate then it really confuses me why you would stick around just to pop on and be nippy towards us every now and then yes youve said you have friends here but honestly any post ive seen from you lately can be described by the above, and im not the only one to pick up on it.

[Livia]

As for the whole report thing a while back, reporting doesn't grant the reporter immunity or result in an instant infraction for whoever got reported. Quite often, if I'm looking at a report, I'll see that both sides are in the wrong and infract both, or sometimes just the reporter if it's an invalid report and they've broken the rules in the thread themselves.

If you are going to report someone, make sure it's an actual valid reason beyond 'I don't like this person' and make sure you aren't breaking the rules either because we'll try to read as much as the thread as possible beyond the reported post to understand the situation and context better so we'll see any further rule breaks.

Of course, if you're involved in that heated discussion yourself, and have clearly taken a side, it's difficult for a mod to disengage from that and be impartial.

[Livia]

Im actually curious to know who ive told to leave the forum? since its not something in the habit of doing and who it is thats actually left the forum due to this.

No there isnt much of a chance to speak about it unless you contact someone through pm or the contact us option and actually detail what your grievance actually is, sniping in threads about mods and rules doesnt help anyone or solve anything.

Or like previously stated we sometimes do allow threads like this to remain open so members get can get things off thier chest.

Again you arent being told to leave or **** off or whatever else but the rules wont be changed for the sake of keeping one member from leaving the forum and if you dont like the rules or the way mods moderate then it really confuses me why you would stick around just to pop on and be nippy towards us every now and then yes youve said you have friends here but honestly any post ive seen from you lately can be described by the above, and im not the only one to pick up on it.

Well... firstly,
At the end of the day Livia, if you dont like the forum or the way its run you dont have to post, but you agreed to the rules when you signed up.

That's where you said it. I did say I was paraphrasing.

Well, I'm flattered that I've been the subject of your conversations. If my posts have been snippy it's not my intention, maybe I just needed to be able to say something about it without being ignored or infracted for mentioning it in a post. I can honestly say that I haven't ever had that much interaction with you personally, Josy.

I'm not expecting your to change the rules, I never said that. On the whole they're very sensible. But like I say... people interpret them differently.

Anyway, I was finished because I'd said what I needed to. I had to reply to the points you made, and that Niamh made. I've leave it here.

[Brillopad]

Of course, if you're involved in that heated discussion yourself, and have clearly taken a side, it's difficult for a mod to disengage from that and be impartial.

I think many would agree with you on that. It is clearly obvious from past threads that that is the case, not to mention sheer common sense.

[Josy]

Well... firstly,


That's where you said it. I did say I was paraphrasing.

Well, I'm flattered that I've been the subject of your conversations. If my posts have been snippy it's not my intention, maybe I just needed to be able to say something about it without being ignored or infracted for mentioning it in a post. I can honestly say that I haven't ever had that much interaction with you personally, Josy.

I'm not expecting your to change the rules, I never said that. On the whole they're very sensible. But like I say... people interpret them differently.

Anyway, I was finished because I'd said what I needed to. I had to reply to the points you made, and that Niamh made. I've leave it here.I never told you to leave I said you dont have to post there's a difference, to which you replied that many have taken my advice previously which isnt true...

I also explained a lot of moderation stuff which you ignored yet when someone else posted saying pretty much the same you say it was helpful.

[Kazanne]

Who chooses the mods in the first place and do you ever 'sack' one if they are deemed unsuitable ?

[Marsh.]

Let it go now!, I don't mix my words.
There's nothing for me to let go.

You're the one who can't keep my name out of your posts.

[thesheriff443]

That's not really the point.

But there is no point to be made

[thesheriff443]

If you take things personally they become personal.

[Brillopad]

I never told you to leave I said you dont have to post

I find that a bit contradictory tbh as when posters who moan about certain threads or how many someone is posting refuse to do the obvious and ignore them and not enter the threads, they have been supported by at least one mod I believe.

If people don’t have to post they also don’t have to go into a thread they object to. Can’t really have one without the other.

[Beso]

What about these known multis....were the original banned member given life bans or not?

[user104658]

But there is no point to be madeYou suggested that there's no point to debate if you know that the debate you're having isn't going to "change the world" or change anything in the world. I respectfully disagree with that position :shrug:. You don't have to change anything for there to be a point.

[Niamh.]

Who chooses the mods in the first place and do you ever 'sack' one if they are deemed unsuitable ?

the other mods and admin decide, one mod that I know of was sacked, I think his name was Rory and he was sacked for giving his log in details to another member

[Kazanne]

the other mods and admin decide, one mod that I know of was sacked, I think his name was Rory and he was sacked for giving his log in details to another member

Couldn't we have a system where we can know which mod gives us infractions and bans then we could PM them if we thought something was unfair,as Livia said there is just no one or where to complain, so resentment sets in.

[Niamh.]

Couldn't we have a system where we can know which mod gives us infractions and bans then we could PM them if we thought something was unfair,as Livia said there is just no one or where to complain, so resentment sets in.

But you can already PM a mod about your infraction, most of the time if you query an infraction with a Mod that didn't give it to you they post your PM in the Infraction thread so the mod who gave it can explain etc It wouldn't be helpful to us to have our name pop up when we infract someone, we get enough grief off people as it is

[Livia]

I never told you to leave I said you dont have to post there's a difference, to which you replied that many have taken my advice previously which isnt true...

I also explained a lot of moderation stuff which you ignored yet when someone else posted saying pretty much the same you say it was helpful.

The first part is semantics.

Secondly, you never explained anything to me. I haven't trawled right through this thread because I'm working as well as being here. And I found what MTVN posted to be new information to me and thanked him. Had you posted the same thing and I saw it, I would have thanked you. And Niamh is explaining how any mod can be approached and it then shared between other mods. I didn't know that. I stupidly replied to the PM that arrives starting with details of your infraction and ending, strangely, with "Cheers!".

I have nothing against you personally. And moreover, I think it was enlightened to allow this thread to evolve.

[Josy]

The first part is semantics.

Secondly, you never explained anything to me. I haven't trawled right through this thread because I'm working as well as being here. And I found what MTVN posted to be new information to me and thanked him. Had you posted the same thing and I saw it, I would have thanked you. And Niamh is explaining how any mod can be approached and it then shared between other mods. I didn't know that. I stupidly replied to the PM that arrives starting with details of your infraction and ending, strangely, with "Cheers!".

I have nothing against you personally. And moreover, I think it was enlightened to allow this thread to evolve.

Replying to the infraction message only gets back to myself, James and Vicky because it goes directly to the TiBB Staff account we then receive an email, so it is better to private message any mod or admin for a reply although if I do get the email I often go to the infraction thread and post it and reply to the sender if needed.

[Livia]

Replying to the infraction message only gets back to myself, James and Vicky because it goes directly to the TiBB Staff account we then receive an email, so it is better to private message any mod or admin for a reply although if I do get the email I often go to the infraction thread and post it and reply to the sender if needed.

Thanks for explaining. My messages have slipped through the net. Not that there have been that many. Anyway, it's all clearer now, so thanks to everyone who contributed positively.

No hard feelings, Josy.

[DemolitionRed]

Good grief whats this? have a go at the mods day?!?

I think part of the problem with any long-standing forum group is, and this is similar to physical groups, people often get territorial and when a group of people get territorial, it frightens off the new blood. All forums need new blood if they are going to survive and so I'm surprised we don't have a welcoming sticky where people can pop in and introduce themselves.

I've been here a few years now but I still have one member who often reminds me that I'm the new kid on the block and implies therefore that my opinion is irrelevant. When I first started commenting on here I had two people who persistently made me feel unwelcome. Fortunately, I'm a tough cookie so people like that don't bother me but I've seen the same people pick out new members and go in for the kill and I've seen those members make a quick exit never to return. There are some cliquey bullies on here that need harnassing around new members because if they keep frightening away new people, this place will just become an OAP members club!

[Niamh.]

The biggest problem with getting new members these days I think DR is that BB isn't very popular anymore and that's when we'd normally attract new members every year. Lots of people would join to discuss BB and some would hang around afterwards, that's how I ended up posting here

[Livia]

The biggest problem with getting new members these days I think DR is that BB isn't very popular anymore and that's when we'd normally attract new members every year. Lots of people would join to discuss BB and some would hang around afterwards, that's how I ended up posting here

That's how we all started. Claymores got me to stay.

There are lots of really nice people who only come on for BB. Maybe we should all make a concerted effort to drag them into Non-BB. Gillian, for instance, and Rustic Gal to name but two.

[Niamh.]

That's how we all started. Claymores got me to stay.

There are lots of really nice people who only come on for BB. Maybe we should all make a concerted effort to drag them into Non-BB. Gillian, for instance, and Rustic Gal to name but two.

Aw Ian RIP to him :( He was a real character

Yeah that's a great idea

[Livia]

Aw Ian RIP to him :( He was a real character

Yeah that's a great idea

Let's do that then. We really do need some new blood, and if they already know us it'll be easier all round.

[Niamh.]

Let's do that then. We really do need some new blood, and if they already know us it'll be easier all round.

Yeah true enough, we could do with a decent series of CBB/BB to get people back posting then too :fc:

[user104658]

The biggest problem with getting new members these days I think DR is that BB isn't very popular anymore and that's when we'd normally attract new members every year. Lots of people would join to discuss BB and some would hang around afterwards, that's how I ended up posting hereHalf the people here rarely watch it any more :joker:. I'm sure I joined up after googling something about Daley the year, but then the Helen Wood year was the last civi series I watched. Damn her. Up until that year I literally never missed an episode :/

And the last series I really watched at all was Bear... Over a year ago now is it? Or was it January? I can't even remember, haha.

You never know, maybe Ch5 will lose BB and another channel will make it worth watching again and we'll get a tonne of brand new arseholes to argue with :hehe:

[Niamh.]

Half the people here rarely watch it any more :joker:. I'm sure I joined up after googling something about Daley the year, but then the Helen Wood year was the last civi series I watched. Damn her. Up until that year I literally never missed an episode :/

And the last series I really watched at all was Bear... Over a year ago now is it? Or was it January? I can't even remember, haha.

You never know, maybe Ch5 will lose BB and another channel will make it worth watching again and we'll get a tonne of brand new arseholes to argue with :hehe:

I joined for BB10 because literally no one I spoke to in r/l watched anymore, it was my first experience of Forums in general actually. I can't see C5 doing many more (if any) civi series actually. A new channel would be great, it needs something

[Tom4784]

Of course, if you're involved in that heated discussion yourself, and have clearly taken a side, it's difficult for a mod to disengage from that and be impartial.

I never mod threads in which I'm personally involved. I've always stated this in threads like these, I'm pretty sure I've told you this a fair few times.

[Vicky.]

What about these known multis....were the original banned member given life bans or not?


Members who make multis when on bans, get their bans extended. This has always been in place.

[jet]

Can mods get infractions? :hee:

[Cherie]

Good grief whats this? have a go at the mods day?!?

I think part of the problem with any long-standing forum group is, and this is similar to physical groups, people often get territorial and when a group of people get territorial, it frightens off the new blood. All forums need new blood if they are going to survive and so I'm surprised we don't have a welcoming sticky where people can pop in and introduce themselves.

I've been here a few years now but I still have one member who often reminds me that I'm the new kid on the block and implies therefore that my opinion is irrelevant. When I first started commenting on here I had two people who persistently made me feel unwelcome. Fortunately, I'm a tough cookie so people like that don't bother me but I've seen the same people pick out new members and go in for the kill and I've seen those members make a quick exit never to return. There are some cliquey bullies on here that need harnassing around new members because if they keep frightening away new people, this place will just become an OAP members club!

TS and Kizzy are trying to change :sad:

[jet]

TS and Kizzy are trying to change :sad:

Not Harsh though...sorry I mean Marsh. :smug:

[Niamh.]

Can mods get infractions? :hee:

Admin can infract mods but mods can't infract eachother or admin

[Cherie]

Not Harsh though...sorry I mean Marsh. :smug:

Harsh :laugh: :fan:

[jet]

Admin can infract mods but mods can't infract eachother or admin

Thanks Niamh, I always wondered about that.

[Cherie]

Admin can infract mods but mods can't infract eachother or admin

Mods are never banned though so what is the point of infractions :shrug:

[Niamh.]

Mods are never banned though so what is the point of infractions :shrug:

I just said they can infract us, I didn't say they did it often :shrug:

[Niamh.]

Thanks Niamh, I always wondered about that.

no worries

[thesheriff443]

Can members date mods

[Cherie]

I just said they can infract us, I didn't say they did it often :shrug:

:laugh2:

[Niamh.]

Can members date mods

Only MTVN

[Niamh.]

[/B]

:laugh2:

:hee:

[thesheriff443]

Only MTVN

There is a god.

[jet]

Can members date mods

Come on then, which one do you have a thing for? :creep:

[thesheriff443]

Come on then, which one do you have a thing for? :creep:

I'm playing with niamh

[Kazanne]

That's how we all started. Claymores got me to stay.

There are lots of really nice people who only come on for BB. Maybe we should all make a concerted effort to drag them into Non-BB. Gillian, for instance, and Rustic Gal to name but two.

Haven't seen Gillian for a while,nor Visage ,hot2go all nice members,rusti is lovely too, I did speak to her a while back,hopefully they will come back eventually,Angus 58 was another loss,also Sooty , even Ammi seems to have taken a break.

[Niamh.]

Haven't seen Gillian for a while,nor Visage ,hot2go all nice members,rusti is lovely too, I did speak to her a while back,hopefully they will come back eventually,Angus 58 was another loss,also Sooty , even Ammi seems to have taken a break.

Ammi wasn't well

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol at people who have not visited this thread thinking we are having a huge racism debate

[Niamh.]

Lol at people who have not visited this thread thinking we are having a huge racism debate

Their loss :fan:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Admin can infract mods but mods can't infract eachother or admin

Wait, so what about Dementors?

:suspect:

[Niamh.]

Wait, so what about Dementors?

:suspect:

Soul destroying

[Kazanne]

Ammi wasn't well

Oh,hope she is ok.

[Beso]

Members who make multis when on bans, get their bans extended. This has always been in place.

I need a list of members guilty of the crime so i know who to trust.

[chuff me dizzy]

But you can already PM a mod about your infraction, most of the time if you query an infraction with a Mod that didn't give it to you they post your PM in the Infraction thread so the mod who gave it can explain etc It wouldn't be helpful to us to have our name pop up when we infract someone, we get enough grief off people as it is

But you could get the mod who infracted you and they would never disagree with their decision,esp if they have their knife in your back to start with

[Marsh.]

But you could get the mod who infracted you and they would never disagree with their decision,esp if they have their knife in your back to start with
So PM admin or a different mod.

[chuff me dizzy]

Haven't seen Gillian for a while,nor Visage ,hot2go all nice members,rusti is lovely too, I did speak to her a while back,hopefully they will come back eventually,Angus 58 was another loss,also Sooty , even Ammi seems to have taken a break.

Flamin Gallah, another nice member who doesn't come on anymore, lots more I cannot think of their names at the minute

[Beso]

Kirk

[Beso]

Mojo nixon

[chuff me dizzy]

Mojo nixon

Loved Mojo !!!

[Marsh.]

Not Harsh though...sorry I mean Marsh. :smug:
No. And I won't. Not for anyone.

Getting infracted for telling someone to piss off or something is understandable.

I don't see how that would cause me to "change" as I'm perfect the way I am.