Airline to weigh passengers before flights - would you object.

[Brillopad]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/travel/travel-news/656691/Finnair-weight-passengers-before-flight-survey-travel-tips

Personally I would have no issue with this. If it helps with things such as weight distribution, aircraft design or even air safety it can only be beneficial.

All aircraft companies should ban alcohol on flights which is fast becoming the biggest safety issue with so many idiots incapable of exercising self control, getting drunk and becoming violent and putting a plane load of passengers, including children, at risk because of their own failings.

[Amy Jade]

I wouldn't object but I think it's a little shady on someone who is overweight, could really embaress them and ruin their holiday.

[Niamh.]

Yes I would object sounds unbelievably degrading and humiliating :/

[T*]

It’s voluntary but yeah it sounds humiliating if it was something forced on you

[Crimson Dynamo]

\Good idea, we should not skirt around grossly obese people

[Amy Jade]

\Good idea, we should not skirt around grossly obese people

If they're not so big they intrude on your seat what is the problem?

[Crimson Dynamo]

If they're not so big they intrude on your seat what is the problem?

Its not my problem its the airline and passenger safety.

[Marsh.]

I thought alcohol was banned on most airlines?

You had to buy your alcohol from onboard the flight and they had a limit on how many you can purchase to prevent a drunken mess. Unless someone gets pissed from one miniature.

[Marsh.]

I don't think there'd be any need to weigh anyone unless, as Amy says, they're taking up two seats.

[Niamh.]

I thought alcohol was banned on most airlines?

You had to buy your alcohol from onboard the flight and they had a limit on how many you can purchase to prevent a drunken mess. Unless someone gets pissed from one miniature.

I don't think I've ever been on a flight that hasn't sold alcohol

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't think there'd be any need to weigh anyone unless, as Amy says, they're taking up two seats.

well the airline begs to differ, clearly

"The reason for the decision is so the airline can have a more accurate metric for determining aircraft weight and balance."

[Marsh.]

I don't think I've ever been on a flight that hasn't sold alcohol

Oh I meant banned from carrying your own on board. :laugh:

Surely they limit the amount of alcohol they can sell to any one passenger to prevent drunkenness?

[Marsh.]

well the airline begs to differ, clearly

"The reason for the decision is so the airline can have a more accurate metric for determining aircraft weight and balance."

Well, they've coped fine for the last however many years.

Unless someone is grossly overweight, it's unlikely to make much of a difference.

[LukeB]

Oh I meant banned from carrying your own on board. :laugh:

Surely they limit the amount of alcohol they can sell to any one passenger to prevent drunkenness?

Then why do they sell alcohol at the duty free shop ar airports before you board the plane

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well, they've coped fine for the last however many years.

Unless someone is grossly overweight, it's unlikely to make much of a difference.

Clearly they think it does

[Niamh.]

Oh I meant banned from carrying your own on board. :laugh:

Surely they limit the amount of alcohol they can sell to any one passenger to prevent drunkenness?

I doubt it otherwise they wouldn't be able to sell it in duty free. I don't think they limit how much they sell a person but I'd imagine (like in bars) if you were really drunk they'd probably stop :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Clearly they think it does

Well, obviously. But we're discussing it. No need to be a teacher's pet about it. :nono:

[Marsh.]

Then why do they sell alcohol at the duty free shop ar airports before you board the plane

Well I imagine they would have something to say if you started knocking back litre bottles of vodka like the alcoholic you are. :oh:

[Locke.]

At least you don't have to pay 20p for it like most public scales

[Marsh.]

This is probably why I was confused.

It’s against federal regulation to open your own bottle of alcohol on a flight or to drink alcohol that was not directly served to you by a flight attendant. One of the main reasons is that your flight attendants are basically on bartender duty and need to keep your libations to a safe level.

https://www.cheapflights.com/news/dos-and-donts-alcohol-on-a-flight/

That must only apply with American Airlines? :shrug:

[Amy Jade]

well the airline begs to differ, clearly

"The reason for the decision is so the airline can have a more accurate metric for determining aircraft weight and balance."

Find me one scenario where a plane has crashed because a passanger was obese.

[smudgie]

Would that include weighing your wheelchair?
Is this going to end up being charged by the kilo...a bit like in a fish/ meat market?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id like to see fatties weighed by random stop-and-weigh wardens in high streets

fines would be issued and shopping seized. Also for repeat offenders stopped form getting take-away food

You may think that extreme but its that fear of offense that allows obesity to grow

[Marsh.]

Would that include weighing your wheelchair?
Is this going to end up being charged by the kilo...a bit like in a fish/ meat market?

From personal experience, the weight of things like a wheelchair are already taken into consideration and placed into the hold separately.

[Amy Jade]

I know you're trolling but that's so nasty.

Stopping random people in the street to humiliate them over their weight, even as a joke that is pretty distasteful.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i bring solutions, sometimes they are unpalatable, which is slightly ironic

You dont make a large omelette without breaking eggs I am afraid

[Amy Jade]

You do know some eat as a comfort mechanism? That's what I did. I would get bullied in school, spat at, hair pulled etc and go home and eat out of comfort because I was ashamed to tell my mum.

If I had been publicly shamed as a 14 to 15 year old and stopped and told on the street I was overweight do you think that would actually help me?

[Eddie.]

I object to not only this, but overweight people getting criticized and humilated in general, it could lower the person's self esteem and stuff, which is really dangerous...

[Crimson Dynamo]

I object to not only this, but overweight people getting criticized and humilated in general, it could lower the person's self esteem and stuff, which is really dangerous...

what part of the article refers to "overweight people"?

[smudgie]

From personal experience, the weight of things like a wheelchair are already taken into consideration and placed into the hold separately.

So you have to leave your wheelchair and be seated, I had no idea.:conf:

[UserSince2005]

Having sat next to a fatty on a plane I think it is the right thing for them to be made to buy and extra seat. Why should I suffer a foul experience when I’m athelitically built and beautiful

[Cherie]

I thought alcohol was banned on most airlines?

You had to buy your alcohol from onboard the flight and they had a limit on how many you can purchase to prevent a drunken mess. Unless someone gets pissed from one miniature.

there is no ban on what you can take on board duty free, and may people make use of minatures

[Marsh.]

So you have to leave your wheelchair and be seated, I had no idea.:conf:

Obviously, you can't sit in a wheelchair on the plane? :laugh: :hehe:

They use a lift to wheel you on board in your chair, have assistants to help you into the front row which is usually adapted for disabled passengers and then store their chair in the hold.

[Brillopad]

Well, they've coped fine for the last however many years.

Unless someone is grossly overweight, it's unlikely to make much of a difference.

It would make a difference to me if my moving/stretching space was limited in an already cramped space due to an obese person encroaching into my space, especially on a long haul flight.

Flights are not cheap, stretching room is crucial for not only comfort but to prevent things like DVTs. I want to be able to ‘breath’ on a long flight.

[Marsh.]

there is no ban on what you can take on board duty free, and may people make use of minatures

I didn't mean outright banned. I said limits on how much you can take on board as there are limits to any liquids and creams etc.

I assumed, too, there was a rule about consuming alcohol onboard which had to be purchased from the air hostess who acts as a barmaid and can stop serving you at an appropriate time so you are not intoxicated onboard. But it seems that is US rules.

[Marsh.]

It would make a difference to me if my moving/stretching space was limited in an already cramped space due to an obese person encroaching into my space, especially on a long haul flight.

Flights are not cheap, stretching room is crucial for not only comfort but to prevent things like DVTs. I want to be able to ‘breath’ on a long flight.

Did you actually read what I wrote?

Here it is again, I'll bolden it for you.... "Unless you are grossly overweight, it's unlikely to make much of a difference".

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Travel/2016/February/fat-airline_2107136a-large.jpg?imwidth=1240

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/being-the-fat-person-on-a-plane/

[Marsh.]

Wow, he needs his own aircraft.

[Cherie]

I didn't mean outright banned. I said limits on how much you can take on board as there are limits to any liquids and creams etc.

I assumed, too, there was a rule about consuming alcohol onboard which had to be purchased from the air hostess who acts as a barmaid and can stop serving you at an appropriate time so you are not intoxicated onboard. But it seems that is US rules.

there is no limit to what you can take on board, as you can buy what you like once you get through security

[LukeB]

Well I imagine they would have something to say if you started knocking back litre bottles of vodka like the alcoholic you are. :oh:

:oh: well it is illegal to get drunk on the plane but you are allowed to take your own bottles on board from duty free

[Marsh.]

there is no limit to what you can take on board, as you can buy what you like once you get through security

Here for you getting stopped trying to lug 5 bags packed with vodka.

[Marsh.]

:oh: well it is illegal to get drunk on the plane but you are allowed to take your own bottles on board from duty free

Yes, but there are clearly rules on consumption.

[Brillopad]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Travel/2016/February/fat-airline_2107136a-large.jpg?imwidth=1240

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/being-the-fat-person-on-a-plane/

My god he’s Hugh. I don’t think some should be expected to sit next to someone that big on a long haul flight, it isn’t fair on them. There should be a few bariatric seats.

[smudgie]

Obviously, you can't sit in a wheelchair on the plane? :laugh: :hehe:

They use a lift to wheel you on board in your chair, have assistants to help you into the front row which is usually adapted for disabled passengers and then store their chair in the hold.

Very interesting.
Believe it or not I have never flown in my life.
Ocean going liners were the in thing back in the day.:joker:

[Kizzy]

Well not weighed but if they take up so much room it renders the seat next to them unusable then they should have to pay a surcharge perhaps?

[smudgie]

Middle aisle could have bigger seats, and if you want/need one then pay a surcharge. If you are big enough to fill a seat and a half it would make sense.
Same should be available for taller people that require more leg room.
A case of one size doesn't fit all.

[Marsh.]

Very interesting.
Believe it or not I have never flown in my life.
Ocean going liners were the in thing back in the day.:joker:

:laugh: Get on that plane to Amsterdam, you'll love it. :clap1:

[Vicky.]

I don't really understand the argument for this weighing tbh. And IF it was about safety, then it would be compulsory not optional anyway surely, and would not be a relatively new concept.

That said, I have no issue with extremely overweight people being charged for more than one seat if thats the amount of space they take up. A provision could maybe be made where if the person can prove that they are that size because of a medical problem, they the extra fee is waived. This would cover medical problems which actually result in obesity, along with obesity caused largely by lack of ability to exercise because of another illness.

I don't get the argument for charging heavier people more as heavier luggage is more. As basically...people are not luggage. And people can sometimes weigh a lot more than others without actually taking up that much space. I don't think people should be charged by weight, as luggage is (would we give anorexics half price tickets as they weigh less than an average person?). But I do think if someone takes up more than one seat, they should be charged for it if there is not a medical reason for this.

I may be biased on this as I am someone who is actually really heavy for my height, but not especially large. So I would maybe be charged more based on weight, where I can fit easily into an airline seat and have room to spare, so do not impose on those who sit next to me.

[Brillopad]

I don't really understand the argument for this weighing tbh. And IF it was about safety, then it would be compulsory not optional anyway surely, and would not be a relatively new concept.

That said, I have no issue with extremely overweight people being charged for more than one seat if thats the amount of space they take up. A provision could maybe be made where if the person can prove that they are that size because of a medical problem, they the extra fee is waived. This would cover medical problems which actually result in obesity, along with obesity caused largely by lack of ability to exercise because of another illness.

I don't get the argument for charging heavier people more as heavier luggage is more. As basically...people are not luggage. And people can sometimes weigh a lot more than others without actually taking up that much space. I don't think people should be charged by weight, as luggage is (would we give anorexics half price tickets as they weigh less than an average person?). But I do think if someone takes up more than one seat, they should be charged for it if there is not a medical reason for this.

I may be biased on this as I am someone who is actually really heavy for my height, but not especially large. So I would maybe be charged more based on weight, where I can fit easily into an airline seat and have room to spare, so do not impose on those who sit next to me.

I think anyone taking up most of the aisle as well is a health and safety issue. What if there is an emergency and people need to leave their seats quickly and need to access the aisle.

[DemolitionRed]

Some people get off on being nasty. I ignore it mostly because its nearly always an online thing.

[Vicky.]

I think anyone taking up most of the aisle as well is a health and safety issue. What if there is an emergency and people need to leave their seats quickly and need to access the aisle.

Yes I would agree.

I would be astounded if the man in the image LT posted was not asked to move, or board the next plane that had more space instead. Even if there is a medical issue behind it, this much is common sense surely and provisions should be made before boarding.

The picture is maybe just set up to open debate on it too.

No way would any airline or reasonable person think that was acceptable or safe.

[Jack_]

My god he’s Hugh. I don’t think some should be expected to sit next to someone that big on a long haul flight, it isn’t fair on them. There should be a few bariatric seats.

You keep talking of this 'Hugh'. I'm glad we finally know who he is

[Brillopad]

You keep talking of this 'Hugh'. I'm glad we finally know who he is

Every time I type the word it gives it a capital h. I don’t type it. Don’t read too much into it.

[Niamh.]

Every time I type the word it gives it a capital h. I don’t type it. Don’t read too much into it.

Huge/Hugh

[Brillopad]

Huge/Hugh

You beat me to it. I have just realised I have had a mental block with the spelling of that word. I have clearly been typing the name rather than the adjective. :hee:

[user104658]

They could surely just ask for an approx. weight on booking? Most are done online these days so it would be semi-anonymous... I doubt they need exact weights? Actually weighing people as they get on like cattle seems ridiculous.

I do agree with banning alcohol though. Last flight I was on, there was a group of loud arseholes downing cans and when the trolley guy cut them off they got quite abusive.

[bots]

the freight/luggage distribution is far more important than passenger weight. I mean 95% of all passengers fit within a particular weight profile, and it takes no account of queuing for the loo etc mid flight.

It's quite clearly being introduced to increase flight costs at some point. There is no other reason.

[Cherie]

the freight/luggage distribution is far more important than passenger weight. I mean 95% of all passengers fit within a particular weight profile, and it takes no account of queuing for the loo etc mid flight.

It's quite clearly being introduced to increase flight costs at some point. There is no other reason.

agree we have been flying around for decades with no issues, in fact people travel with a lot less luggage now as well, so can't see why it needs implementing.

[y.winter]

Considering the fact that we go through somewhat intrusive security checks, I'm not really concerned about being weighed.

[Oliver_W]

I really don't see the issue with asking someone who needs two seats to pay for two seats.

[DemolitionRed]

I agree with Vicky about medical conditions. Medication for certain illnesses such as pituitary gland tumours can cause massive obesity problems.