Is jeremy corbyn a hypocrite.

[Beso]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41783898



Yet he promotes a man he knew had done this.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/4834836/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-for-promoting-labour-mp-after-he-was-accused-of-rubbing-his-crotch-against-a-young-activist/amp/

[DemolitionRed]

I doubt Corbyn even knew about it. Its his PA's who we need to be looking at.

[Withano]

Didn't read the link but nah. Corbyn is only positive adjectives. Watch him tonight on celebrity gogglebox for stand up to cancer on channel 4 at 9pm if you don't believe me.

[joeysteele]

No,not at all.

[Oliver_W]

Corbyn is just rubbish, but I doubt he even knew about the whole Hopkins thing - until he suspended him.

[joeysteele]

The point is whether he knew or not so what
A complaint was made,no action deemed necessary at that time with just a reprimand.

A reprimand does not obstruct advancement,if new issues come to light,or it happens again fair enough.
The person complaining didn't say any more when he was put on the shadow cabinet.
Why did she not, would be a question I'd ask out of simple interest.

A lot of what we hear as to all allegations at present sound inappropriate ,no doubt about that.
However really serious or criminal seems a little way off on the surface,for me anyway.

Apart from the Labour activist rape claim that is.

A fair way to go as to how this unfurls but at the time,even after a reprimand only, Corbyn did nothing more,even if he knew, than give him one more chance.
I'm still a little mystified as to what it is from what we know so far that means Michael Fallon had to resign.
Unless he knows more and more serious is to come.

This is going to be a testing time for both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn,in fact likely other party leaders too.
Depending on what is yet to come.

Giving people second chances is no crime especially when at the time of doing so,no one has been deemed to have done anything very serious or criminal.

[Kizzy]

I wouldn't like to think that anyone would use such an important topic to score political points within the Labour ranks itself...but I can kind of see it happening :/

[joeysteele]

I wouldn't like to think that anyone would use such an important topic to score political points within the Labour ranks itself...but I can kind of see it happening :/

The point is Kizzy, this is going to affect likely most parties.
All party leaders may havehad less than worthy people as their main spokesnen/women

This trial by media atmosphere now is really not that helpful.
If people have complaints of criminal intent as to real harassment,go to the police..

Party leaders cannot withhold advancement when no charges are against anyone.
That would be new discrimination.

I have no time for Theresa May, however here,she like Corbyn will likely get pilloried for not having perfect foresight,as to those they appoint or have relied on.
This is not either of their faults nor other party leaders.

If really serious incidents are fully proven and/or even prosecutions result then the fault lies with the accused at that time and for what they've done,no one else.

[Brillopad]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41783898



Yet he promotes a man he knew had done this.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/4834836/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-for-promoting-labour-mp-after-he-was-accused-of-rubbing-his-crotch-against-a-young-activist/amp/

Got it in one. :hee:

[jet]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41783898



Yet he promotes a man he knew had done this.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/4834836/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-for-promoting-labour-mp-after-he-was-accused-of-rubbing-his-crotch-against-a-young-activist/amp/

A hyopcrite? Yes, it many ways, dating from many years ago to the present day. He's despicable.

[Brillopad]

A hyopcrite? Yes, it many ways, dating from many years ago to the present day. He's despicable.

Good to see you jet. Welcome back.

[Brillopad]

He should do more to control the persistent gaffs of Diane Abbott who has now said ‘that as 16 year-olds can die for our country they should be able to vote’.

Fancy someone in her position not knowing the age at which our young men and women are allowed to risk their lives for their country - only a minor detail after all. I hope we never allow 16 year-old to do so - I think 18 is too young.

Talk about being so desperate to get the vote for 16 year-olds so Labour stand a chance of winning the next election she can’t even be bothered to get her facts right.

[Vicky.]

16 year olds can join the army can't they?

Anyway, yes Corbyn is a hypocrite on so many things tbh. I am going off him slowly, but I still think hes the best of a bad bunch. I have a huge issue with how he identifies a 'need' for 'woman only' carriages on trains, yet says a woman is 'anyone who identifies as a woman'(which makes no sense as a descriptor as its circular?) . So yeah, 'woman only' carriages filled with men, makes total sense :laugh:

I think dealing with those accused of stuff is a bit of a sensitive matter in general though. As the person might turn out to be innocent, and then if they are they have been penalized for nothing.

[Brillopad]

16 year olds can join the army can't they?

Anyway, yes Corbyn is a hypocrite on so many things tbh. I am going off him slowly, but I still think hes the best of a bad bunch. I have a huge issue with how he identifies a 'need' for 'woman only' carriages on trains, yet says a woman is 'anyone who identifies as a woman'(which makes no sense as a descriptor as its circular?) . So yeah, 'woman only' carriages filled with men, makes total sense :laugh:

I think dealing with those accused of stuff is a bit of a sensitive matter in general though. As the person might turn out to be innocent, and then if they are they have been penalized for nothing.

They can join, but they can’t partake in any combat situations until they are 18.

[Beso]

A hyopcrite? Yes, it many ways, dating from many years ago to the present day. He's despicable.

A very shady character indeed jet, nice to see you back again by the way

[bots]

I think Corbyn is a huge hypocrite, and he has been doing it for years.

I'm not a May fan, and she does change her tune from time to time, but i tend to think she is sincere when she talks on a subject. Corbyn on the other hand is unscrupulous , sneaky, and utterly untrustworthy

[Livia]

16 year olds can join the army can't they?

Anyway, yes Corbyn is a hypocrite on so many things tbh. I am going off him slowly, but I still think hes the best of a bad bunch. I have a huge issue with how he identifies a 'need' for 'woman only' carriages on trains, yet says a woman is 'anyone who identifies as a woman'(which makes no sense as a descriptor as its circular?) . So yeah, 'woman only' carriages filled with men, makes total sense :laugh:

I think dealing with those accused of stuff is a bit of a sensitive matter in general though. As the person might turn out to be innocent, and then if they are they have been penalized for nothing.

They can join as apprentices. They are not allowed into a combat zone until they reach the age of majority - 18.

[Livia]

He's an anti-Semitic, self-promoting terrorist hugger. And he's not even the worst of them. We have a Marxist Shadow Chancellor and Diane Abbott who, if elected, will be responsible for our national security.

What worries me most is this: There is no longer a political party I would wish to vote for. And if it turns out Corbyn wins because no one else is even slightly electable, I am lucky that I don't have to stay.

[jet]

He's an anti-Semitic, self-promoting terrorist hugger. And he's not even the worst of them. We have a Marxist Shadow Chancellor and Diane Abbott who, if elected, will be responsible for our national security.

What worries me most is this: There is no longer a political party I would wish to vote for. And if it turns out Corbyn wins because no one else is even slightly electable, I am lucky that I don't have to stay.

It beats me how many are so ultra sensitive about issues like racism and yet turn a blind eye when it comes to Corbyn and many other members of the current Labour party's very dubious dealings and ideologies.
I guess they just agree with them or don't care? Otherwise why support the party?

[DemolitionRed]

He's an anti-Semitic, self-promoting terrorist hugger. And he's not even the worst of them. We have a Marxist Shadow Chancellor and Diane Abbott who, if elected, will be responsible for our national security.

What worries me most is this: There is no longer a political party I would wish to vote for. And if it turns out Corbyn wins because no one else is even slightly electable, I am lucky that I don't have to stay.

He's anti-Zionist and Zionism is not a surrogate to Judaism.

[jet]

I think Corbyn is a huge hypocrite, and he has been doing it for years.

I'm not a May fan, and she does change her tune from time to time, but i tend to think she is sincere when she talks on a subject. Corbyn on the other hand is unscrupulous , sneaky, and utterly untrustworthy

I couldn't agree more.

[DemolitionRed]

It beats me how many are so ultra sensitive about issues like racism and yet turn a blind eye when it comes to Corbyn and many other members of the current Labour party's very dubious dealings and ideologies.
I guess they just agree with them or don't care? Otherwise why support the party?

If I believed Jezza had an ounce of racism in him, I would be the first to demonize him. You can't be anti-racist and support a racist; its not ethically possible.

What is Jezza racist about?

[jet]

aIf I believed Jezza had an ounce of racism in him, I would be the first to demonize him. You can't be anti-racist and support a racist; its not ethically possible.

What is Jezza racist about?

I gave racism as an example of how ultra - sensitive some people can be about certain issues, yet conveniently ignore other, just as important issues like anti - Semitism and terrorist sympathising.
I personally can't understand how one issue riles up so many, yet other issues are tolerated so readily to the extent that they vote for a man who, as Olivia described well, is a 'terrorist hugger', and a party with vocal anti - semitic's among their ranks.

[DemolitionRed]

I spent months on here talking about Corbyn and his none relationship with terrorism and I'm not about to go through all that again.

You say he's anti-Jewish? Where did you get this idea from?

[DemolitionRed]

And btw, my father-in-law is an anti-Zionist, atheist Jew!

[jet]

I spent months on here talking about Corbyn and his none relationship with terrorism and I'm not about to go through all that again.

You say he's anti-Jewish? Where did you get this idea from?

I didn't say he was (though I wouldn't be surprised), I said certain members of his party were.
As for what you insist about his non relationship with terrorism, you are 100% wrong about that, but you will continue to believe what suits you. I know differently, and I couldn't give 2 hoots any more who believes me or doesn't, and no, I'm not going through it all again either.

[DemolitionRed]

I didn't say he was (though I wouldn't be surprised), I said certain members of his party were.
As for what you insist about his non relationship with terrorism, you are 100% wrong about that, but you will continue to believe what suits you. I know differently, and I couldn't give 2 hoots any more who believes me or doesn't, and no, I'm not going through it all again either.

Some of his party have said some anti-Zionist things which were foolish because the press don't appear to know the difference between Zionism and Judaism and neither do a lot of Zionist Jews. Anyone who has openly stated anything derogatory about Jews has been booted out and deserved that boot. Lets keep in mind that the Labour party has quite a big anti-Zionist Jewish following and some Labour MP's are Jewish.

The terrorist thing has been done to death. Corbyn has spent his life as an activist and has a tendency to see both sides of a cause. That doesn't mean he supports terrorism, it just means he understood why terrorism was happening. But you aren't interested in discussing the ins and outs and neither am I, so I guess we will have to leave it at that.

As for him being a future British leader? I don't know if he represents me, my family or friends. I've just reached a stage in my life where I want some democracy. I want to stop the people of this country being betrayed by Westminster. As far as I'm concerned the whole lot needs ripping down, starting with the House of Lords.

[jet]

The terrorist thing has been done to death. Corbyn has spent his life as an activist and has a tendency to see both sides of a cause. That doesn't mean he supports terrorism, it just means he understood why terrorism was happening.


Your innocence is touching.
I have very little interest in politics, where I live in N.Ireland I support the SDLP (Social Democratic & Labour Party) because they are middle of the road. I am not a secret May and Conservative fanatic. God forbid. I never post here on political forums unless I get an opportunity to criticise Corbyn.

So why did I pop up out of the blue to show my absolute disdain of Corbyn? Why did I spend hours upon hours telling you all that I know of him of old, that I actually lived through all of the NI troubles, that I know people who know of his activities, the things he did, even friends of his at the time? NI is a small place when it comes to politics.
Was it because I didn't like his dress sense?
So don't tell me that Corbyn is an activist who sees both sides of a conflict as if you know all about him. It is so laughable how people fall for that spin. You know NOTHING.
And the thought of him running the UK which my country is to date a part of makes my blood run cold.
Now I'm done. My blood pressure can't take this s***.

[joeysteele]

Some of his party have said some anti-Zionist things which were foolish because the press don't appear to know the difference between Zionism and Judaism and neither do a lot of Zionist Jews. Anyone who has openly stated anything derogatory about Jews has been booted out and deserved that boot. Lets keep in mind that the Labour party has quite a big anti-Zionist Jewish following and some Labour MP's are Jewish.

The terrorist thing has been done to death. Corbyn has spent his life as an activist and has a tendency to see both sides of a cause. That doesn't mean he supports terrorism, it just means he understood why terrorism was happening. But you aren't interested in discussing the ins and outs and neither am I, so I guess we will have to leave it at that.

As for him being a future British leader? I don't know if he represents me, my family or friends. I've just reached a stage in my life where I want some democracy. I want to stop the people of this country being betrayed by Westminster. As far as I'm concerned the whole lot needs ripping down, starting with the House of Lords.


Really good and balanced post DR.

Really interesting read all through.

[Kizzy]

Some of his party have said some anti-Zionist things which were foolish because the press don't appear to know the difference between Zionism and Judaism and neither do a lot of Zionist Jews. Anyone who has openly stated anything derogatory about Jews has been booted out and deserved that boot. Lets keep in mind that the Labour party has quite a big anti-Zionist Jewish following and some Labour MP's are Jewish.

The terrorist thing has been done to death. Corbyn has spent his life as an activist and has a tendency to see both sides of a cause. That doesn't mean he supports terrorism, it just means he understood why terrorism was happening. But you aren't interested in discussing the ins and outs and neither am I, so I guess we will have to leave it at that.

As for him being a future British leader? I don't know if he represents me, my family or friends. I've just reached a stage in my life where I want some democracy. I want to stop the people of this country being betrayed by Westminster. As far as I'm concerned the whole lot needs ripping down, starting with the House of Lords.

Neither does Micheal Gove...:/

'He concluded: “At a time when people say that ‘I’m not an anti-Semite, I’m just anti-Zionist,’ it is important that we should say no, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.”

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/michael-gove-at-tory-conference-anti-zionism-is-anti-semitism/

[DemolitionRed]

Your innocence is touching.
I have very little interest in politics, where I live in N.Ireland I support the SDLP (Social Democratic & Labour Party) because they are middle of the road. I am not a secret May and Conservative fanatic. God forbid. I never post here on political forums unless I get an opportunity to criticise Corbyn.

So why did I pop up out of the blue to show my absolute disdain of Corbyn? Why did I spend hours upon hours telling you all that I know of him of old, that I actually lived through all of the NI troubles, that I know people who know of his activities, the things he did, even friends of his at the time? NI is a small place when it comes to politics.
Was it because I didn't like his dress sense?
So don't tell me that Corbyn is an activist who sees both sides of a conflict as if you know all about him. It is so laughable how people fall for that spin. You know NOTHING.
And the thought of him running the UK which my country is to date a part of makes my blood run cold.
Now I'm done. My blood pressure can't take this s***.

If you know all this, why don't investigative journalists? I mean, I'm sure the media would love your story or anything they could really get their teeth into. If you know so much that the rest of the British public don't, whats holding you back?

[jet]

If you know all this, why don't investigative journalists? I mean, I'm sure the media would love your story or anything they could really get their teeth into. If you know so much that the rest of the British public don't, whats holding you back?

Fear. Can we drop this now please.

[DemolitionRed]

Neither does Micheal Gove...:/

'He concluded: “At a time when people say that ‘I’m not an anti-Semite, I’m just anti-Zionist,’ it is important that we should say no, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.”

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/michael-gove-at-tory-conference-anti-zionism-is-anti-semitism/

Its people like Gove who deliberately add to the confusion. Judaism is a people, Zionism is a state. One can be a deeply religious Jew and be against Zionism. You can be a Zionist without being a Jew.