Corbyn appoints convicted fraudster to parliamentary office

[Brillopad]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/07/jeremy-corbyn-appoints-convicted-criminal-parliamentary-office/

Don’t think this should be allowed. How can someone like her be trusted. It would also concern me that a party leader would think it was okay.

It rather feels that with everything going on with the sex scandal in the Tory party at the moment that maybe some advantage has been taken of that in the belief that less notice would be taken of the opposition appointing a criminal into office. All very sneaky.

[joeysteele]

Not his wisest move, however this conviction is over a decade ago.

If we aim for rehabilition after crime and if there is no re-offendimg then a further chance should be possible for employment.

I would have maybe thought twice but he felt able to discount an 11 year old conviction, and give an opportunity now for her to move forward again.

[Beso]

Fraud and false accounting, she will fit right in.

[Brillopad]

Not his wisest move, however this conviction is over a decade ago.

If we aim for rehabilition after crime and if there is no re-offendimg then a further chance should be possible for employment.

I would have maybe thought twice but he felt able to discount an 11 year old conviction, and give an opportunity now for her to move forward again.

But she rigged votes and with potential elections coming up in a few years people will always wonder. It’s a recipe for disaster in my opinion.

[joeysteele]

But she rigged votes and with potential elections coming up in a few years people will always wonder. It’s a recipe for disaster in my opinion.

I actually agree.
I probably wouldn't have taken the risk.

You could well be right as to it being a recipe for disaster.
Although there appears to be loads of those recipes all around Westminster and politics at present.

[DemolitionRed]

Fraud and false accounting, she will fit right in.

Please elaborate?

[DemolitionRed]

I think its a stupid move.

[jet]

Corbyn has always had a fondness for and empathy with shady characters, including terrorists. A fraudster wouldn't cause him a moments concern.

[smudgie]

Anything goes these days...or so it appears.
Time for the whole shower to clean up their act.

[Brillopad]

Corbyn has always had a fondness for and empathy with shady characters, including terrorists. A fraudster wouldn't cause him a moments concern.

Hi Jet. At best it’s stupid. Questions and allegations will always be raised. It strikes me as courting controversy - very arrogant in my opinion.

[Beso]

Please elaborate?

She will be clearing up jeremys off shore accounts as i type.

[DemolitionRed]

She will be clearing up jeremys off shore accounts as i type.

Is that a presumption? I mean, do we have evidence that Corbyn has an offshore account? you know, like all those Tory names that are are coming out? or is this just a way of deflecting away from the corruption of the Tory government?

[Beso]

Is that a presumption? I mean, do we have evidence that Corbyn has an offshore account? you know, like all those Tory names that are are coming out? or is this just a way of deflecting away from the corruption of the Tory government?



They are all corrupt fgs.

[joeysteele]

Anything goes these days...or so it appears.
Time for the whole shower to clean up their act.

Very good point.
It may be the case that on fact for a long time now things have needed to be cleaned up and also tightened up.

Over time up to the present,it seems the rot has escalated.
At last hopefully with all leaders and all Parties involved in addressing and dealing with the whole sorry,sordid affairs,things may improve.
One can hope they will anyway.

[Brillopad]

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/90430/jeremy-corbyn-aide-david-prescott-suspended-amid

It doesn’t rain but it pours.

[Beso]

Very good point.
It may be the case that on fact for a long time now things have needed to be cleaned up and also tightened up.

Over time up to the present,it seems the rot has escalated.
At last hopefully with all leaders and all Parties involved in addressing and dealing with the whole sorry,sordid affairs,things may improve.
One can hope they will anyway.

Is jeremy leeding by example?...no..and this appointment along with the appointment of the sex scandal bloke kinda proves his finger is way off the pulse.

[joeysteele]

Is jeremy leeding by example?...no..and this appointment along with the appointment of the sex scandal bloke kinda proves his finger is way off the pulse.

For goodness sake.

The Leaders have only met and discussed plans on Monday.
Politics is rife with bad appointments in the last few decades and recent past in ALL Parties.
The lot of them.

Be as selective in only singling out one leader and party all you like but don't expect others to consider that fair or the only instance/s.

[Kizzy]

Oh another pointless Corbyn bashing thread.

[Brillopad]

Oh another pointless Corbyn bashing thread.

Only when you have a closed mind and an agenda. It is a valid point. Is appointing a convicted vote rigger a wise decision when she will likely be involved in future elections. It will likely open the flood gates as far as future vote rigging allegations are concerned. Do the Labour Party really need that sort of publicity.

[Kizzy]

Closed mind? it's been in the public domain for over a year...

“I foolishly signed council papers to say that I had completed work that I hadn’t, which involved signing the details of whoever occupied the address to be an accurate record — details that were already on the electoral roll.

“I admitted to doing this on 20 forms — which amounted to fraudulently claiming £21.15".

In 2016 Momentum issued a statement about Ms Thompson's criminal past, saying “Marsha-Jane’s conviction is now spent. She has always been open about the conviction, which she still deeply regrets, with her employers.”

This 'expose' is nothing but a clumsy deflection. Is it in the same ball park as the expenses scandal...is that up for discussion?

[joeysteele]

Oh another pointless Corbyn bashing thread.

Sadly so Kizzy.

I made an effort to discuss this in a balanced way rather than just from selective dislike of individual or Party.
Sadly that apears impossible to do.

The more worrying thing about this is, someone pleading guilty to a wrong/crime,who is then given a legal punishment,duly completed too..
Who after 11 years on from that now spent conviction, should according to a few here,never get given work again.

It makes you wonder why we bother with a judicial system of crime and then punishment /rehabilitation.
Perhaps we should just leave it to these armchair kangaroo uncompromising personal courts.

[jet]

Oh another pointless Corbyn bashing thread.

Don't shoot the messenger. Corbyn just keeps on giving.

[Livia]

It doesn't shock me. Politicians are an interesting breed. I wouldn't appoint an accountant who had a criminal background; I can see no reason why he should if he thinks he will be running the country at some point.

[Brillopad]

Closed mind? it's been in the public domain for over a year...

“I foolishly signed council papers to say that I had completed work that I hadn’t, which involved signing the details of whoever occupied the address to be an accurate record — details that were already on the electoral roll.

“I admitted to doing this on 20 forms — which amounted to fraudulently claiming £21.15".

In 2016 Momentum issued a statement about Ms Thompson's criminal past, saying “Marsha-Jane’s conviction is now spent. She has always been open about the conviction, which she still deeply regrets, with her employers.”

This 'expose' is nothing but a clumsy deflection. Is it in the same ball park as the expenses scandal...is that up for discussion?

It also said that she admitted her crimes - her legal team were bound to offer up mitigating circumstances - in this case an accidental oversight, it’s what they do. Pretty predictable really.

[jet]

Sadly so Kizzy.

I made an effort to discuss this in a balanced way rather than just from selective dislike of individual or Party.
Sadly that apears impossible to do.

The more worrying thing about this is, someone pleading guilty to a wrong/crime,who is then given a legal punishment,duly completed too..
Who after 11 years on from that now spent conviction, should according to a few here,never get given work again.

It makes you wonder why we bother with a judicial system of crime and then punishment /rehabilitation.
Perhaps we should just leave it to these armchair kangaroo uncompromising personal courts.

Of course she should be given work again, just not in Government.

[DemolitionRed]

Sadly so Kizzy.

I made an effort to discuss this in a balanced way rather than just from selective dislike of individual or Party.
Sadly that apears impossible to do.

The more worrying thing about this is, someone pleading guilty to a wrong/crime,who is then given a legal punishment,duly completed too..
Who after 11 years on from that now spent conviction, should according to a few here,never get given work again.

It makes you wonder why we bother with a judicial system of crime and then punishment /rehabilitation.
Perhaps we should just leave it to these armchair kangaroo uncompromising personal courts.

Yes, no, yes, no.

When a punishment is duly completed, it can still carry a reputation and that reputation may or may not cause problems for certain work roles in the future.

An example of that is the care industry. If someone has had a previous conviction for abuse of the elderly, regardless of that conviction being spent, they are not likely to get a job anywhere in the care sector again.

This particular woman deeply regrets what she did. She's paid for her crime and she's probably a very safe candidate to take on but she's got a reputation and that reputation is corruption within politics. That reputation will inevitably raise suspicion in future elections, regardless of how honest or not she is.

The right-wing media aren't going to let this go and her name will be used again and again to blacken the reputation of the Labour party.

Re-employing this woman doesn't sit well with me because of all the siht that comes with it. I want the Labour party to go from strength to strength but things like this don't help.

[Livia]

Yes, no, yes, no.

When a punishment is duly completed, it can still carry a reputation and that reputation may or may not cause problems for certain work roles in the future.

An example of that is the care industry. If someone has had a previous conviction for abuse of the elderly, regardless of that conviction being spent, they are not likely to get a job anywhere in the care sector again.

This particular woman deeply regrets what she did. She's paid for her crime and she's probably a very safe candidate to take on but she's got a reputation and that reputation is corruption within politics. That reputation will inevitably raise suspicion in future elections, regardless of how honest or not she is.

The right-wing media aren't going to let this go and her name will be used again and again to blacken the reputation of the Labour party.

Re-employing this woman doesn't sit well with me because of all the siht that comes with it. I want the Labour party to go from strength to strength but things like this don't help.

It's the way the left wing media works. It's all a great big pantomime.

[Brillopad]

Closed mind? it's been in the public domain for over a year...

“I foolishly signed council papers to say that I had completed work that I hadn’t, which involved signing the details of whoever occupied the address to be an accurate record — details that were already on the electoral roll.

“I admitted to doing this on 20 forms — which amounted to fraudulently claiming £21.15".

In 2016 Momentum issued a statement about Ms Thompson's criminal past, saying “Marsha-Jane’s conviction is now spent. She has always been open about the conviction, which she still deeply regrets, with her employers.”

This 'expose' is nothing but a clumsy deflection. Is it in the same ball park as the expenses scandal...is that up for discussion?

It certainly exposes his arrogance to me. With all the adoration by some it seems he thinks he is untouchable.

Many of his young fans will ignore it and he knows it. But it’s a gamble as there will also be many that won’t and the opposition and the media will have a field day at election time. But when some people describe you as a ‘God’ you are flying high... in more ways than one.

[Kizzy]

The god like status chimes as the ravings of a fevered mind brillo, he gave someone a second chance following a misdemeanor 11yrs ago... that's it.

[Brillopad]

The god like status chimes as the ravings of a fevered mind brillo, he gave someone a second chance following a misdemeanor 11yrs ago... that's it.

I would re-direct that at those that idolise him that way ... hmm.

You know and we know if it had been May that appointed an election fraudster in the cabinet you would be chomping at the bit.

[joeysteele]

People warrant 2nd chances, this individual was not as part of her punishment, barred from being employed in politics.

Comparing this to care abuse or where physical injury or physical harm has been done to another is not in my view appropriate.

She got community service 11 years ago, now it is down to others in a position to,to either employ her or not.
Whether that is good judgement is another matter.
It's also for time to tell.

Fine if some people will never give anyone another chance for one misdemeanour, that's up to them.
Not everyone has to follow such an extreme line thankfully.

Otherwise re offending could be more bigger an issue.


Even an MP, convicted and even sent to prison for under a year, can then still,if they wish,stand for re election to Parliament.

[Kazanne]

I would re-direct that at those that idolise him that way ... hmm.

You know and we know if it had been May that appointed an election fraudster in the cabinet you would be chomping at the bit.

Yep,the place would be in an uproar about how 'useless she is' .:hehe:

[joeysteele]

I would re-direct that at those that idolise him that way ... hmm.

You know and we know if it had been May that appointed an election fraudster in the cabinet you would be chomping at the bit.

Actually that's not true.

Anyone giving someone a 2nd chance for one wrong done especially over a decade ago,would get credit from me,whether I liked them or not.

When David Cameron was in bother re Coulson.
I was one who on here stuck up for him standing by a friend.

I said at the start this wasn't Corbyn's wisest move,it's not however a necessarily wrong one.
However alli you possibly want rather than a real serious debate,is a run of Corbyn bashers agreeing with you.

I do my best to avoid your threads, I should have held that counsel of mine and not waste my time thinking there could result any fair or balanced discussion here on this one again.

[Kizzy]

I would re-direct that at those that idolise him that way ... hmm.

You know and we know if it had been May that appointed an election fraudster in the cabinet you would be chomping at the bit.

Who idolises him? ...

Once again you appear to be fixated on my reactions in this thread, so much so I have the sneaking suspicion that the entire premise for your constant Corbyn related threads is to perpetuate your low level trolling and baiting across SD of late.
You have no interest in the subject at hand other than to seize on the reactions of myself and other members.

For the record no mater what Corbyn does or does not do May will continue to be useless as well as ineffective as PM.

[DemolitionRed]

It's the way the left wing media works. It's all a great big pantomime.

Yes well thanks for that intelligent response Livia!

[DemolitionRed]

People warrant 2nd chances, this individual was not as part of her punishment, barred from being employed in politics.

Comparing this to care abuse or where physical injury or physical harm has been done to another is not in my view appropriate.

She got community service 11 years ago, now it is down to others in a position to,to either employ her or not.
Whether that is good judgement is another matter.
It's also for time to tell.

Fine if some people will never give anyone another chance for one misdemeanour, that's up to them.
Not everyone has to follow such an extreme line thankfully.

Otherwise re offending could be more bigger an issue.


Even an MP, convicted and even sent to prison for under a year, can then still,if they wish,stand for re election to Parliament.

Abuse of care could be anything. It could be forging a postal vote for someone they support. Most abuse within care isn't physical, its devious and so my example is appropriate.

[jet]

Oh another pointless Corbyn bashing thread.

This is where a thread starts to go downhill.
Joey and DM give balanced and respectful views on a perfectly legitimate thread.
Why can't you? Another case of pushing buttons to derail a thread you don't like.

[joeysteele]

Abuse of care could be anything. It could be forging a postal vote for someone they support. Most abuse within care isn't physical, its devious and so my example is appropriate.

Sorry but no way would I agree this greed/paper crime and conviction has any credible comparison to any physical crime.
This person wasn't actually caring or even employed in direct care for anyone either.

[bots]

There is nothing new in any of this really, lessons just never seem to be learned. Who remembers all the fun with Jeffrey Archer, then there was the cash for questions chap, Peter Mandelson, the list is endless. Each one of those came back and held prominent positions after misdemeanors, and guess what, when given another chance, they each messed up again.

Politics is corrupt to the core at all levels. To stamp it out, we would need to get shot of them all.

[Brillopad]

This is where a thread starts to go downhill.
Joey and DM give balanced and respectful views on a perfectly legitimate thread.
Why can't you? Another case of pushing buttons to derail a thread you don't like.

I agree.

[Brillopad]

Who idolises him? ...

Once again you appear to be fixated on my reactions in this thread, so much so I have the sneaking suspicion that the entire premise for your constant Corbyn related threads is to perpetuate your low level trolling and baiting across SD of late.
You have no interest in the subject at hand other than to seize on the reactions of myself and other members.

For the record no mater what Corbyn does or does not do May will continue to be useless as well as ineffective as PM.

No surprise you resort to the old and tired baiting and trolling allegations. Your no 1 weapon of annoyance. I reply to your threads for several different reasons, in this case because you are being evasive. Everyone on here knows by now how into the guy you are - he can do no wrong in your eyes. You see him through rose-tinted glasses.

That makes your views on him dubious in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

This is your thread not mine, I am a Labour supporter and he is the Labour leader.
I see now that your constant Corbyn related threads are nothing but a rouse to goad me into commenting so you can personally attack me for my political views.

[DemolitionRed]

Sorry but no way would I agree this greed/paper crime and conviction has any credible comparison to any physical crime.
This person wasn't actually caring or even employed in direct care for anyone either.

My point is, abuse of power, to do something deceitful to any person, vulnerable or not, is wrong and rightfully punishable. When that deceitfulness is done within a particular work role, a similar work role at a future date should, imo, not be an option, especially if employing that person could inflict a bad reputation on that company.

Its got nothing to do with compassion or pity and all to do with 'damage limitation'; something most employers take very seriously.

[Kizzy]

My point is, abuse of power, to do something deceitful to any person, vulnerable or not, is wrong and rightfully punishable. When that deceitfulness is done within a particular work role, a similar work role at a future date should, imo, not be an option, especially if employing that person could inflict a bad reputation on that company.

Its got nothing to do with compassion or pity and all to do with 'damage limitation'; something most employers take very seriously.

So we're back to the expenses scandal? That was an abuse of public office for monetary gain or fraud as it's more commonly known, that was quite swiftly swept under the carpet for most.

[DemolitionRed]

So we're back to the expenses scandal? That was an abuse of public office for monetary gain or fraud as it's more commonly known, that was quite swiftly swept under the carpet for most.

Well, I wasn't specifically talking about that but seeing you brought it up, yes, the same applies or should of.

[Kizzy]

Point being it isn't... Because this is a more targeted attack on Corbyn specifically.

[Beso]

For goodness sake.

The Leaders have only met and discussed plans on Monday.
Politics is rife with bad appointments in the last few decades and recent past in ALL Parties.
The lot of them.

Be as selective in only singling out one leader and party all you like but don't expect others to consider that fair or the only instance/s.

Its the only 2 ive heard about,:conf::shrug:i will say when i hear abiut theressa doing the same as i dont follow any party as they are all the bloody same.

[Beso]

The god like status chimes as the ravings of a fevered mind brillo, he gave someone a second chance following a misdemeanor 11yrs ago... that's it.

But an accountant convicted of fraud and false accounting...would you use the same forgiving stance and give a convicted pedo a job in the local education comittee?

[Kizzy]

But an accountant convicted of fraud and false accounting...would you use the same forgiving stance and give a convicted pedo a job in the local education comittee?

What is this, bizarre hypothetical day? LOL

[Kizzy]

This is where a thread starts to go downhill.
Joey and DM give balanced and respectful views on a perfectly legitimate thread.
Why can't you? Another case of pushing buttons to derail a thread you don't like.

It was specifically structured to go downhill... Do you think the OP had a balanced debate in mind when creating it? No of course not. I am wise to these now and will be avoiding them in the future.
I thought all the anti Corbyn threads started by the OP had been lumped into one super Corbyn bashing thread anyway? this one must have missed the memo.

[Beso]

It was specifically structured to go downhill... Do you think the OP had a balanced debate in mind when creating it? No of course not. I am wise to these now and will be avoiding them in the future.
I thought all the anti Corbyn threads started by the OP had been lumped into one super Corbyn bashing thread anyway? this one must have missed the memo.

This is serious debates AND news forum, not every thread has to be a debate!


So would you be happy for a convicted pedo who has served their time to be given a role in schools and education?

[Kizzy]

This is serious debates AND news forum, not every thread has to be a debate!


So would you be happy for a convicted pedo who has served their time to be given a role in schools and education?

And?... My point remains, this is yet another anti Corbyn thread to highlight the issue the OP has with corbyn designed to gum up SD and goad Labour members.

[Beso]

And?... My point remains, this is yet another anti Corbyn thread to highlight the issue the OP has with corbyn designed to gum up SD and goad Labour members.

Thats a far fetched accusation, goading in print right there..

[DemolitionRed]

And?... My point remains, this is yet another anti Corbyn thread to highlight the issue the OP has with corbyn designed to gum up SD and goad Labour members.

I think when anyone starts a new discussion, they shouldn't give an opinion on the initial opening post. Getting varied opinions is a wise option because if you start a post with your own bias, your dictating which way you want the thread to go. I'm not sure why people who do this don't just write a blog

[Brillopad]

This is your thread not mine, I am a Labour supporter and he is the Labour leader.
I see now that your constant Corbyn related threads are nothing but a rouse to goad me into commenting so you can personally attack me for my political views.

Don’t flatter yourself. I can assure you you are never at the forefront of my mind when I create a thread. If something comes up in my newsfeed that I would like to comment on then I do. I have actually resisted on a few occasions just to avoid crap like this, but in the long-term that will not influence me.

[Brillopad]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5060535/Jeremy-Corbyn-branded-hypocrite-tax-avoidance.html

The hypocrite,

[Beso]

You need to add that to the is jeremy corbyn a hypocrite thread.

[joeysteele]

I'd rather add the Daily Mail and in fact most other so called newspapers to a hypocrite thread.

Trash papers which spread in the main, lies and gutter trash from the likely number of prejudiced bigots employed by them or the owners of some too.

I never read the Daily Mail and certainly won't be starting to now on here no matter how often those who amazingly hang on its every word almost,try to push it on to us.

[Kizzy]

The Mail are terrified at the prospect of a governmental collapse... they know what will happen, that's why the Corbyn offensive is rapidly building.

[Livia]

Employing an accountant with a fraud conviction is not the most ridiculous thing I've heard about Corbyn, but it's close.

[Kizzy]

Care to share?

[DemolitionRed]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5060535/Jeremy-Corbyn-branded-hypocrite-tax-avoidance.html

The hypocrite,

Yes, it is hypocritical but then there's a huge difference between cash-strapped councils having to resort to methods that maximize their funding and the £billions in corporate profits, that should be taxed that's being filtered off into personal bank accounts. At least this little tax dodge is being used to serve the public.

The real damage with tax dodging is when the profits are shifted out of Britain. Something like 80% of tax dodging profits goes out of this country and therefore don’t ever get re-invested in infrastructure, employment or things like repairing our roads and pavements.

We subsidize the Isle of Man £350million a year so they can keep a zero rate on their corporation tax. If we didn’t subsidize them, the Isle of Man couldn’t remain a tax haven and it certainly couldn’t afford to have a zero rate corporation tax! I’ll add to that, that employed islanders don’t benefit in this tax haven. Employment is low, austerity cuts have caused the same suffering as they have here. Housing is expensive and the high cost of living is a growing burden. The money being sieved off is not being re-distributed to assist the Islanders.

I don’t care if it’s the Tories, the Labour party or any other party that is filtering public money into their own fat purse at our expense. What I do care about is, nobody is seriously tackling tax avoidance. Corporations are doing it because they can, millionaires and billionaires are doing it because there are no consequences. Nobody knows who owns what because tax avoidance is shrouded in a cloak of secrecy that is aided and abetted by our governments and I say ‘governments because this is a global problem. There’s no legislation for transparency, no law to say we have to have public records and nobody being held to account. If that doesn’t make all us honest tax paying citizens angry, then nothing will.

[smudgie]

Very difficult to spend any reasonable amount of cash with it being checked for money laundering.
Buy a house, you have to prove how the money in the bank was accrued, firstly to the estate agent and then to the solicitors.
Every little bit helps I suppose.:shrug: