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Vicky.

18-11-2017, 01:11 PM

In January, the British Medical Association advised members that mothers-to-be should be referred to as ‘pregnant people’ to avoid offence and ‘celebrate diversity’.

Also, breastfeeding should be called chestfeeding. This really is ridiculous and pathetic and the people demanding it are entitled narcissists.

Sussex University Students’ Union warned members against using the pronouns ‘he’ and ‘she’ to avoid assumptions about identity. ‘They’ and ‘Them’ are said to be the correct, gender-neutral terms.

Pronoun **** is stupid. You are a she if you are female, and a he is you are male. Zir Ze and such aren't even ****ing words so **** off with that too :hmph:

I use peoples preferred pronouns if they are actually transsexual. I will not call an obvious man she no matter how much he cries and shrieks about it. Nor will I ever refer to another human as 'it' which is demanded by a few of them :rolleyes:

Jenni Murray, presenter of Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour, upset transgender lobbyists when she said men who had undergone sex-change operations could not claim to be ‘real women’ since they did not have ‘the experience of growing up female’. Yet another stupid one, especially when coupled with

Transgender campaigners condemn such phrases as inaccurate and offensive. Even ‘biologically male’ and ‘biologically female’ are deemed ‘problematic’ by the influential U.S. gay rights ‘media monitoring’ group GLAAD (which used to be called the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, because they ‘oversimplify’ the ‘complex subject’ of gender. We’re told the correct usage is to say an individual is ‘assigned’ or ‘designated’ male or female at birth.

I always ask when people start with this rubbish, if a transwoman is a woman, how do you describe the class of women, without referring to stereotypes as stereotypes are bollocks and not everyone follows them anyway. Its impossible to do. 'Anyone who identifies as a woman' does not work...because...what are they identifying with? The description becomes 'anyone who identifies as anyone who identifies as anyone who identifies' and so on. With no end. So no, transwomen are not women, they are transwomen. To say they are women is both false and erasing who they actually are. Its actually transphobic to say they are women, as thats erasing the fact that they are trans as if trans is something to be ashamed about.

The whole trans debate has got ****ing ridiculous. As female penises and such are mainstream thinking now. 'Self-identification' with no diagnoses of 'sex dysphoria' is being pushed for. How is one trans without sex dysphoria exactly? Something people said would never happen and its 'just a fringe' and so on. Well its not. And they are pushing for changes to the law to protect 'gender identity' rather than 'gender reassignment'. And given 'gender identity' is all in ones head (I dont even have a gender identity, I just am a female) how on earth can laws be made based on a feeling? Its just stupid.

Rant over. That article annoyed me a lot as I thought it would be bollocks made up by the mail yet a lot of it is actually true, though many will think it isn't as it sounds so bizarre.

Brillopad

18-11-2017, 01:23 PM

Also, breastfeeding should be called chestfeeding. This really is ridiculous and pathetic and the people demanding it are entitled narcissists.

Pronoun **** is stupid. You are a she if you are female, and a he is you are male. Zir Ze and such aren't even ****ing words so **** off with that too :hmph:

I use peoples preferred pronouns if they are actually transsexual. I will not call an obvious man she no matter how much he cries and shrieks about it. Nor will I ever refer to another human as 'it' which is demanded by a few of them :rolleyes:

Yet another stupid one, especially when coupled with

I always ask when people start with this rubbish, if a transwoman is a woman, how do you describe the class of women, without referring to stereotypes as stereotypes are bollocks and not everyone follows them anyway. Its impossible to do. 'Anyone who identifies as a woman' does not work...because...what are they identifying with? The description becomes 'anyone who identifies as anyone who identifies as anyone who identifies' and so on. With no end. So no, transwomen are not women, they are transwomen. To say they are women is both false and erasing who they actually are. Its actually transphobic to say they are women, as thats erasing the fact that they are trans as if trans is something to be ashamed about.

The whole trans debate has got ****ing ridiculous. As female penises and such are mainstream thinking now. 'Self-identification' with no diagnoses of 'sex dysphoria' is being pushed for. How is one trans without sex dysphoria exactly? Something people said would never happen and its 'just a fringe' and so on. Well its not. And they are pushing for changes to the law to protect 'gender identity' rather than 'gender reassignment'. And given 'gender identity' is all in ones head (I dont even have a gender identity, I just am a female) how on earth can laws be made based on a feeling? Its just stupid.

Rant over. That article annoyed me a lot as I thought it would be bollocks made up by the mail yet a lot of it is actually true, though many will think it isn't as it sounds so bizarre.

I think it’s a case of giving them enough rope to hang themselves with as it has got so ridiculous. People will fight back at such Nonsence - it’s inevitable.

Vicky.

18-11-2017, 01:28 PM

I think it’s a case of giving them enough rope to hang themselves with as it has got so ridiculous. People will fight back at such Nonsence - it’s inevitable.

Hopefully before the law gets passed, as it will be hard to take back once its there :/

Though more people do seem to be waking up recently. My lesbian friends have been awake for some time now as they have been called transphobic on a few occasion for rejecting people with penises who say they are women.

Its all been so under the radar, but it seems to be reaching more people now and most will disagree with it all. Because its mental. There is a journalist called Janice Turner who writes for the Tim es, and she has been doing a lot of articles on this recently and has been attacked left right and centre for being 'transphobic' when the articles are anything but tbh. I would link them, but they are behind a paywall so most won't be able to read them anyway :laugh: The jist of it though is she is worried about the amount of kids being put on 'harmless' puberty blockers just because they like to 'dress as a female' and such. These 'harmless' blockers are actually powerfeul chemotherapy drugs which cause lifelong problems. But the parents are being told they are safe, and fully reversible (which they aren't reversible in practice at all). NHS directing parents of gender questioning kids to the pressure group 'Mermaids' who draw in kids at pride events with puppies and sweets and try to convince them they are trans and tell them 'puberty is optional'. FFS. Which kid wants to go through puberty. I know I didn't

So many kids sacrificed and medicalized for life. Its sad, and ****ing scary

Edit. Heres one of the 'transphobic' articles https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/children-sacrificed-to-appease-trans-lobby-bq0m2mm95 I think you can read 2 per week without a subscription.

Her twitter talks about it and her articles too. https://twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/866420070695804929 The replies she gets are very eye opening. The abuse comes mainly from male people (usually) with anime avatars. There is a reason the tagline to all of this is 'no debate' and thats as people actually talk about it, it all falls apart and most can see it for the misogynistic homophobic nonsense that it is.

*I am not saying transsexual people are homophobic and that. Those with sex dysphoria obviously need support and such. Its these new 'transgender' people who are the problem. And 'trans'ing children is deeply homophobic and is actually gay eugenics, as if these kids are left alone 80-95% of them grow out of the confusion and most that grow out of it are simply gay adults. When if they are shoved onto 'harmless' puberty blockers, 97% go onto cross sex hormones.

Brillopad

18-11-2017, 01:38 PM

Hopefully before the law gets passed, as it will be hard to take back once its there :/

Though more people do seem to be waking up recently. My lesbian friends have been awake for some time now as they have been called transphobic on a few occasion for rejecting people with penises who say they are women.

Its all been so under the radar, but it seems to be reaching more people now and most will disagree with it all. Because its mental. There is a journalist called Janice Turner who writes for the Tim es, and she has been doing a lot of articles on this recently and has been attacked left right and centre for being 'transphobic' when the articles are anything but tbh. I would link them, but they are behind a paywall so most won't be able to read them anyway :laugh: The jist of it though is she is worried about the amount of kids being put on 'harmless' puberty blockers just because they like to 'dress as a female' and such. These 'harmless' blockers are actually powerfeul chemotherapy drugs which cause lifelong problems. But the parents are being told they are safe, and fully reversible (which they aren't reversible in practice at all). NHS directing parents of gender questioning kids to the pressure group 'Mermaids' who draw in kids at pride events with puppies and sweets and try to convince them they are trans and tell them 'puberty is optional'. FFS. Which kid wants to go through puberty. I know I didn't

So many kids sacrificed and medicalized for life. Its sad, and ****ing scary

Sacrificed for an ‘ideal’ by some. It’s a political agenda in my opinion and a very harmful one clearly.

What adults decide for themselves is one thing but to try to influence vulnerable minds is morally criminal. We must have laws to protect children from this manipulative obsession.

Vicky.

18-11-2017, 01:40 PM

Sacrificed for an ‘ideal’ by some. It’s a political agenda in my opinion and a very harmful one clearly.

What adults decide for themselves is one thing but to try to influence vulnerable minds is morally criminal. We must have laws to protect children from this manipulative obsession.

Indeed. I don't care one bit if some dude wants to go and have surgeries to resemble a woman. Live and let live tbh. But when kids are dragged into it, and we are expected to believe that people with penises are women and should be granted access to female changing rooms and such, and even put in female prisons (even people in prison for rape, get granted access to the females in jail...ridiculous) it becomes a huge problem.

And gender fluid can **** right off tbh. Makes no sense at all. Dress how you like, but putting on a dress one day does not make you a woman anymore than me wearing trousers today makes me a man :rolleyes:

And everyone is 'non-binary' also, so no thats not special either.

Vicky.

18-11-2017, 01:46 PM

Brillopad

18-11-2017, 02:08 PM

https://medium.com/@GappyTales/dear-men-on-the-left-f20fbf6272cf

This is amazing too.

As it this, about the ridiculous topshop 'gender fluid' narcissist issue (many may not know about that, its fairly recent and hasn't been publicized much)

https://medium.com/@GappyTales/an-open-letter-to-topshop-d7351ef932ab

Its so odd. I am a lefty in most ways, but I am totally against the left on this issue. But I am not aligned with the right either, as the right seem to accept it all too. Its Maria Miller trying to push the 'gender identity' rubbish, and May agrees with it all too.

Haven’t looked at those yet, but will. Just wanted to say I don’t believe May believes that for a minute - I think she is just trying to get the young on board and say what she thinks they want th hear. Not the way to go in my opinion.

Basically I just think we should all leave the kids alone on these issues, let them be kids, and decide on these things when they are older and have a better understanding, of it all.

Vicky.

18-11-2017, 02:31 PM

Haven’t looked at those yet, but will. Just wanted to say I don’t believe May believes that for a minute - I think she is just trying to get the young on board and say what she thinks they want th hear. Not the way to go in my opinion.

Basically I just think we should all leave the kids alone on these issues, let them be kids, and decide on these things when they are older and have a better understanding, of it all.

I think (like many) May has not thought very deeply into the implications of this law that Miller is trying to pass through and still sees this as a kind of...extension of gay rights thing. And who would argue against gay rights? Except its nothing to do with gay rights at all, and infact the ideology in itself is deeply homophobic and dragging gender questioning kids into it...is homophobic also as most of these gender questioning kids are simply gay but either do not understand this yet, or have internalized homophobia. And reconcile with themselves once through puberty once their brains have developed properly. IF they are left alone instead of put on chemo drugs. When puberty is blocked, essential brain development does not happen and as such, these kids jeep thinking they are trans rather than just accepting they are gay.

Its a sorry state of affairs really when no questions are allowed to be asked, especially when discussing the welfare of kids.

A Tory MP recently managed to get a talk in parliament where people were allowed to give the opposite view to the 'accepted' one. Its quite long, but if you are bored at some stage, its well worth a read.

https://www.david-davies.org.uk/sites/www.david-davies.org.uk/files/2017-11/Transgender%20Law%20Concerns.pdf

Gives opinions from a variety of people, including a transsexual woman with concerns about 'self identification'

jet

19-11-2017, 12:40 AM

I know very little about the subject you have talked at some length about here Vicky, and I have found your input very informative and interesting. :clap2:

Northern Monkey

19-11-2017, 02:09 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5094791/A-Z-politically-correct-madness.html

Found this interesting. Wasn’t even aware of most of them and I already thought PC was out of control! :shocked:

They are ridiculous.I think this stuff is mostly an online phenomena though.I don’t encounter this stuff in my everyday real life.Most people are sensible thank god.What i do with political correctness in day to day life if I should ever encounter it is....Ignore it and carry on.If people are going to get offended by stuff like this then it’s themselves they need to look at while they’re cowering at ‘micro aggressions’ and cats eyes :laugh:

arista

19-11-2017, 06:02 AM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/11/18/00/46731C0E00000578-0-image-a-35_1510966329951.jpg

Yes Manfully
is a take over of a Ladys bits ,...................

In a Corner etc.

Oliver_W

19-11-2017, 08:01 AM

NHS directing parents of gender questioning kids to the pressure group 'Mermaids' who draw in kids at pride events with puppies and sweets and try to convince them they are trans

Indeed. I don't care one bit if some dude wants to go and have surgeries to resemble a woman. Live and let live tbh. But when kids are dragged into it...
Can you imagine if gay guys and lesbians were trying to recruit kids? They'd be called paedos at worst, and "trying to brainwash kids into being gay" at best, and the latter happens with something as simple as a character having two mums/two dads in a tv show.

arista

19-11-2017, 08:08 AM

Vicky.

19-11-2017, 01:53 PM

Can you imagine if gay guys and lesbians were trying to recruit kids? They'd be called paedos at worst, and "trying to brainwash kids into being gay" at best, and the latter happens with something as simple as a character having two mums/two dads in a tv show.

Of course they would. Its just mental. It s even more dodgy to me (and I am not accusing Mermaids of being pedos here mind, but I find it odd) that this group actively campaigns for puberty blockers for children. Thus...keeping them prepubescent for longer :S

I genuinely do not get why T is tagged onto LGB at all. They are nothing alike. In fact, T (ideology overall, clearly not every trans person) is homophobic in itself, which a lot of gay people seem to be realising, through various experiences with those currently under the 'trans umbrella'.

Vicky.

19-11-2017, 01:55 PM

I know very little about the subject you have talked at some length about here Vicky, and I have found your input very informative and interesting. :clap2:

Most people know very little of it as its all been kept fairly hushed until recently. And even now its not being publicized well at all. just the odd report of transacticists physically attacking people who oppose parts of the ideology, and narcissistic arseholes like Travis who feel 'neither male nor female' and expect to change with teen girls because of this :S

This is no longer about 'born in the wrong body'. To even say the phrase 'born in the wrong body' is hugely transphobic apparently.

Northern Monkey

19-11-2017, 02:02 PM

A transexual once tried getting in my face at a music festival and was being deliberately.....flirtatious for want of a better word.More harrasing tbh.Anyway i warned him once and he didn’t listen so i threw him down a hill.

Vicky.

19-11-2017, 02:34 PM

Another times article about this

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/up-to-half-of-trans-inmates-may-be-sex-offenders-26rz2crhs?shareToken=c8a34dea3c57d7c0c9ca4696b07cf c49

“There is a conflict here between transgender rights and the rights of other people such as women. What is shocking is that we are rushing into this [self-declaration] without evidence of its impacts.”

The effect can already be seen in Scotland, where this policy is broadly in place and most trans prisoners are allowed to transfer to women’s units without a gender recognition certificate. Scotland has 18 transgender prisoners, including 13 male-to-female, far more than England and Wales for its prison population size. Most are in female accommodation.

One of the 13, Paris Green, was convicted of murder as a man and has twice been allowed to transfer to women’s units before being moved out again after having sex with female inmates.

Another trans inmate, Tiffany Scott, convicted as Andrew Burns for stalking a 13-year-old girl, assault and other offences, punched a prison officer and threw a chair at the prison nurse. The offences, which took place when Scott was asking to be known as Mighty Almighty, led to a court hearing at which Scott screamed that the presiding sheriff was a “********** transphobe bastard” for referring to her by the wrong pronoun.

Self identification is a huge huge problem. Post-op transsexual people, fair enough (hell, the operations aren't even needed to gain a gender recognition certificate at the moment anyway, only a diagnosis of sex dyshoria and 'living as' the opposite sex for 2 yearts, hardly a big ask for those who apparently want to make a lifetime decision? But apparently even this is 'gatekeeping' and 'transphobic' and no requirements should be necessary, just a online form to 'change sex'). But males with intact penises, and especially those convicted of raping women, should be nowhere near female prisons. Funnily enough, there have been no transmen (females) requiring to be moved to the male prison to be their true selves. I wonder why that is eh?

I remember signing the petition to move that Tara Hudson to a female prison. It made out that they were post op in the news and I think the actual petition wording too. I specifically remember seeing that they had had the operations, and the reason I signed was as I could see that it would be detrimental definitely to be in a male prison post-op. Turns out 'operation' means, they had had a boob job. Great. A male with a boob job does not a female make ffs.

Even though Tara did look quite feminine, the solution would have been putting them away from males, but not in with females either.

This article is being screamed about on twitter too. Transphobic too apparently. Anything thats getting the truth of whats happening out there is 'transphobic'. The word means nothing anymore :S

Edit. Sorry for hijacking the thread. This really set me off a bit and I really do feel the general public should be informed rather than this rubbish being passed without question all because a few entitled men want it to be and screech 'terf' or 'bigot' at anyone who dares question it :laugh:

Oliver_W

19-11-2017, 03:00 PM

This is no longer about 'born in the wrong body'. To even say the phrase 'born in the wrong body' is hugely transphobic apparently.
A particularly virulent trans youtuber called Riley Dennis said something like "I'm not MtF, I was never male, i've always been a transwoman"

Rubbish like that just doesn't help transpeople, and even if we accept that traps have "always been" their preferred gender, to avoid shorthand like mtf or ftm is just pointless.

Vicky.

19-11-2017, 03:15 PM

I have no time for Riley and his advocating of basically raping lesbians. He gives a 'pass' to females who have been sexually assaulted to refuse bepenised individuals but advises they 'get over it' else become bigotted like the rest of the lesbians who are same SEX attracted.

Sadly, Riley is not one of a kind and there are more and more of him, growing in numbers daily.

Where actual transsexuals would not dream of forcing themselves onto people or basically shaming lesbians into ****ing them.

The amount of 'transwomen' who are attracted to women (and will only accept 'cis' women, whilst also saying that transwomen ARE women, so why the distinction with their own preferences?) is ridiculous. and near all of these people keep their dicks and pursue lesbians

DemolitionRed

19-11-2017, 04:27 PM

There are many trans people who are perfectly innocent. Its only the radicals that are a problem but most aren't radicals.
Lets not be haters eh?

Vicky.

19-11-2017, 04:40 PM

Its not only the radicals that are a problem though. if it was a tiny minority then it wouldn't be an issue.

Many (most actually) transsexual people are not a problem at all and just want to live their lives like everyone else

'Transgender' on the other hand, is a different topic altogether and yes, it is not a tiny minority of them who have disgusting and stupid views like lesbians are bigoted for refusing their penis. Its pretty mainstream among 'transgender' people (note not transsexual). Used to be a fringe, but not anymore. Also it seems 'transgender' people have a higher than average rate of sex offenders, funny correlation that...

Also the 'self-identification' law will NOT help transsexual people (who would be able to get a GRC under current rules anyway). It will infact be detrimental to them too. Along with being detrimental to near everyone else except those classing themselves as 'transgender' which is primarily entitled males who want access to female areas, and the contents of lesbians knickers.

Beso

19-11-2017, 04:52 PM

C should have been clunge.

Vicky.

19-11-2017, 04:55 PM

Bloody hell, the guardian are finally growing some balls and publishing stuff thats critical, just found this. This shows the level this has got to really as previously the guardian removed comments on articles that differed in anyway from basically 'a female is the same as a male in every way, sex is irrelevant and all in your head and to say otherwise is transphobic'.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/2017/nov/19/bullies-everywhere-take-delight-in-coming-up-with-new-insults

Love that they quote Owen Jones. he who berates lesbians for not sucking transwoman dick but thinks its homophobic to ask him if he would lick out a transman :suspect:

Beso

19-11-2017, 05:23 PM

Vicky.

19-11-2017, 05:31 PM

Please start a thread about those 2 questions

Which two questions? Is it transphobic for a lesbian to reject a bepenised 'woman'. And is it homophobic to ask a gay bloke who has said lesbians are transphobic to not want to suck dick if he would lick someone out?

Of course its not transphobic to be heterosexual, or homosexual (its transactivists, and a lot of 'transgender' people who have decided that it is. #nodebate). And it is homophobic really to ask a gay guy if he would lick someone out, but not in the context that the question was asked.

Male people cannot be 'lesbians'. Its a ****ing oxymoron. A male person attracted solely to female people, is a straight male. Not in any way shape or form a 'lesbian'

DemolitionRed

19-11-2017, 06:30 PM

Beso

19-11-2017, 06:44 PM

Which two questions? Is it transphobic for a lesbian to reject a bepenised 'woman'. And is it homophobic to ask a gay bloke who has said lesbians are transphobic to not want to suck dick if he would lick someone out?

Of course its not transphobic to be heterosexual, or homosexual (its transactivists, and a lot of 'transgender' people who have decided that it is. #nodebate). And it is homophobic really to ask a gay guy if he would lick someone out, but not in the context that the question was asked.

Male people cannot be 'lesbians'. Its a ****ing oxymoron. A male person attracted solely to female people, is a straight male. Not in any way shape or form a 'lesbian'

Simple question....lesbians, would you suck a transgender female thats stuck in a male bodies cock?

Vicky.

19-11-2017, 07:35 PM

This is how I think

Most post-op, transitioning m-f and f-m people are not the problem.
Some transgenders are a problem and getting a bit too big for their boobs. I say some, because its wholly unfair and ridiculous to blacken all their names.

Many transgenders are happily in relationships with heterosexual females, many others prefer men to women. Some transgenders have no particular sexual preference; they are bi so like men and women equally. Some only date other transgenders and some transgenders are attracted to lesbians.
This is how I think also :)

I would never ever say it was all 'transgender' people. Thats ridiculous. But it is a significant number, and growing too. And almost all transactivists are problematic and OTT. And these are the people consulting the government on law changes, its pretty mental.

Simple question....lesbians, would you suck a transgender female thats stuck in a male bodies cock?

Problem is, lesbians are unlikely to answer this honestly, as a hell of a lot of them have been on the receiving end of physical intimation and violence over this exact issue. Some still do answer though as they refuse to be shamed for being homosexual, and say no, female same SEX attraction obviously excludes penis.

DemolitionRed

19-11-2017, 08:52 PM

Vicky.

20-11-2017, 10:15 AM

The experience I've had with transgender m-f is, many are divas and there's a lot of promiscuity. That said, I met one transgender who I would have gladly dated if I'd been single and I consider myself quite fussy.

Are you bi DR? Or did you still see them as a bloke even though they want to be a woman? Did you actually see them as a woman?

I have a transsexual woman in my extended family actually. My husbands cousins sister is dating one. Its quite an odd situation, as the transsexual woman has has a boob job and dresses 'as a woman' (infact she was the bridesmaid at my husbands cousins wedding, which raised a few eyebrows as honestly, she still looks very very manly) and does want the full op, but her partner says if she has the full op she will split up with her as she wants..basically..a penis to shag. So she sees her as a bloke obviously but is fine with her wanting to look 'like a woman' (though as I said, she really does NOT look like a woman at all, looks like a bloke in dresses with a boob job). And the transsexual women has agreed not to get the op as she wants to keep her current partner. Its all quite weird to me but each to their own. I could never shag a bloke who had had a boobjob (and whos boobs are ****ing better than mine as they are plastic!). I refer to this person by their name, and try to avoid using pronouns whenever possible as I know I will slip up. Its easy to use her pronouns when typing though as I can go back and correct myself whenever necessary. This person though, is not one of the crazies who will go bat**** on people for saying 'he' and accuse them of transphobia, and they readily admit that they are male, rather than saying they are female and have always been female just because they say so like so many 'transgenders' do, and also does not call herself a 'lesbian' as she knows that lesbians are female people. Which ties in even more with my opinion that its not actual transsexuals who are the problem, its the new breed of 'transgenders' with an entitled attitude who think the world revolve around them and everyone should ignore what they can see with their own eyes and lie.

Kizzy

20-11-2017, 01:13 PM

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Oliver_W

20-11-2017, 01:27 PM

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People like your cousin's friend's sister's auntie's brother's girlfriend's
https://media.tenor.com/images/3dbe14ce1339e26dde7a56e8cb10d7af/raw
sister's boyfriend's cousin's hairdresser make me wonder why they bother transitioning - if you don't look the part, and everyone sees them as a "man in a dress", what's the point? It won't help abate their dysphoria, or do much to change their place in society.

Vicky.

20-11-2017, 01:56 PM

People like your cousin's friend's sister's auntie's brother's girlfriend's
https://media.tenor.com/images/3dbe14ce1339e26dde7a56e8cb10d7af/raw
sister's boyfriend's cousin's hairdresser make me wonder why they bother transitioning - if you don't look the part, and everyone sees them as a "man in a dress", what's the point? It won't help abate their dysphoria, or do much to change their place in society.

It doesn't matter to this person if other see them as a male in a dress. Their sex dysphoria is solely about their body. Its not about people 'seeing them as a woman' as such.

However I do wonder, if the dysphoria is that strong then surely you would rather continue with transition, rather than stop it for 'love'? And how on earth, if you are dysphoric about being a male person...can you use your dick during sex. Using your dick is about as male as it gets surely?

Also (husbands) cousins sisters partner is not that bad surely? I do class them as extended family :laugh:

DemolitionRed

20-11-2017, 06:00 PM

Are you bi DR? Or did you still see them as a bloke even though they want to be a woman? Did you actually see them as a woman?

I am bi but regardless of that, I saw this person as a woman. I'd seen him as a man and didn't find him as attractive. I think what I found particularly attractive about her is, the way she embraced and celebrated her feminine side. She was brave enough to do what came naturally to her and she did come over very naturally.

I have a transsexual woman in my extended family actually. My husbands cousins sister is dating one. Its quite an odd situation, as the transsexual woman has has a boob job and dresses 'as a woman' (infact she was the bridesmaid at my husbands cousins wedding, which raised a few eyebrows as honestly, she still looks very very manly) and does want the full op, but her partner says if she has the full op she will split up with her as she wants..basically..a penis to shag. So she sees her as a bloke obviously but is fine with her wanting to look 'like a woman' (though as I said, she really does NOT look like a woman at all, looks like a bloke in dresses with a boob job). And the transsexual women has agreed not to get the op as she wants to keep her current partner. Its all quite weird to me but each to their own. I could never shag a bloke who had had a boobjob (and whos boobs are ****ing better than mine as they are plastic!). I refer to this person by their name, and try to avoid using pronouns whenever possible as I know I will slip up. Its easy to use her pronouns when typing though as I can go back and correct myself whenever necessary. This person though, is not one of the crazies who will go bat**** on people for saying 'he' and accuse them of transphobia, and they readily admit that they are male, rather than saying they are female and have always been female just because they say so like so many 'transgenders' do, and also does not call herself a 'lesbian' as she knows that lesbians are female people. Which ties in even more with my opinion that its not actual transsexuals who are the problem, its the new breed of 'transgenders' with an entitled attitude who think the world revolve around them and everyone should ignore what they can see with their own eyes and lie.

Your relative wants a chick with a d*ck!! I can see her point! though I wouldn't be interested in enhanced breasts.

My years in the London clubland probably made me a lot more open-minded. I've been to fet clubs like TG's where you can be anyone you want to be and as I said here recently, at the end of the night when everything else was closed, we all used to pile into Alices Cafe attached to Stunners (probably the biggest transexual club in London). Before I'd had all that experience, I wouldn't have been nearly so tolerant but when you spend some good positive time around these people, you quickly learn that many of them are just the same as us but with a slightly different angle.

I'm well aware of the loud-mouthed chicks who drive lorries through the week and sneak out on a Saturday night without their wife knowing, to parade around (usually in front of a nightclub mirror) in a frock and ridiculously high heels in the hope that someone will tell them how gorgeous they look. I've had some seriously bitchy sarcasms from jealous, overzealous shehe's who begrudge a real female intrusion into the ladies loos! but those loud mouth demanding transexuals are just not nice people, regardless of how they dress and its people like them who are spoiling it for the nice ones.

DemolitionRed

20-11-2017, 06:04 PM

It doesn't matter to this person if other see them as a male in a dress. Their sex dysphoria is solely about their body. Its not about people 'seeing them as a woman' as such.

However I do wonder, if the dysphoria is that strong then surely you would rather continue with transition, rather than stop it for 'love'? And how on earth, if you are dysphoric about being a male person...can you use your dick during sex. Using your dick is about as male as it gets surely?

Also (husbands) cousins sisters partner is not that bad surely? I do class them as extended family :laugh:

Perhaps she just wants to be loved by a female as a woman? and perhaps the rest of it doesn't matter. I'll bet that if you asked any hetrosexual male to female trans what they would wish for more than anyting else in life, most of them would say, "a woman who loves my female side"

Vicky.

20-11-2017, 06:11 PM

I am bi but regardless of that, I saw this person as a woman. I'd seen him as a man and didn't find him as attractive. I think what I found particularly attractive about her is, the way she embraced and celebrated her feminine side. She was brave enough to do what came naturally to her and she did come over very naturally.

Fair enough, I don't want to tell you your sexuality obviously, but in light of your reply, I would say you were probably pansexual, rather than bi?

I am actually bi, though have not been with a female for a long long time (since I was 17) but I could not be done with a person who looked like a man in all aspects but had a vagina, or vice versa. Just would be a huge turnoff for me.

I consider myself mostly straight now though tbh. I know sexuality does not change as such,. but its been a very long time since I was sexually interested in a female. Thats not just as I am married or in a long term relationship or anything as obviously I still fancy people besides my husband. I just have not seriously fancied a woman for ages, besides the usua 'shes really pretty' thought.

Your relative wants a chick with a d*ck!! I can see her point! though I wouldn't be interested in enhanced breasts.

Basically, it seems that way. Chick with a dick is a very popular porn category actually, so it seems to be fairly popular in general :laugh:

My years in the London clubland probably made me a lot more open-minded. I've been to fet clubs like TG's where you can be anyone you want to be and as I said here recently, at the end of the night when everything else was closed, we all used to pile into Alices Cafe attached to Stunners (probably the biggest transexual club in London). Before I'd had all that experience, I wouldn't have been nearly so tolerant but when you spend some good positive time around these people, you quickly learn that many of them are just the same as us but with a slightly different angle.

I'm well aware of the loud-mouthed chicks who drive lorries through the week and sneak out on a Saturday night without their wife knowing, to parade around (usually in front of a nightclub mirror) in a frock and ridiculously high heels in the hope that someone will tell them how gorgeous they look. I've had some seriously bitchy sarcasms from jealous, overzealous shehe's who begrudge a real female intrusion into the ladies loos! but those loud mouth demanding transexuals are just not nice people, regardless of how they dress and its people like them who are spoiling it for the nice ones.

Yeah, I used to think my long time on the LGBT scene made me open minded. Until it turned out lesbians were afraid to tell me of their very real experience with 'transgender' people and their dicks. They were scared to tell me as apparently I was too 'right on' in my thinking and would have joined in with the 'transphobe' taunting. And I am ashamed to admit, I probably would have :S Given until about a year back, I saw nothing wrong with our moderation policy on 'transphobia' and would happily infract anyone who referred to say...Kellie Maloney, as he when on BB. Its only very recently that I challenged this policy and said basically, we are forcing people to have a certain view, a view that is NOT scientifically proven and is akin to a religion. So we are forcing one religion onto people by moderating in that way. I don;t know if the policy did change or not, but I refuse to subscribe to the view that people have souls and can be 'born in the wrong body' any longer, so if I get banned for this so be it tbh. 'Born in the wrong body' is a mental illness. If it eases the sex dysphoria to have surgeries to resemble the opposite sex, then good for you. But noone can ever 'change sex'.

I don't think its an extreme view that males cannot become female, and the other way around. But apparently..it really is?! Even though transsexual people readily admit that they are their biological sex, just want to be the opposite one. I have not met even one transsexual woman who believes they ARE female. This seems to be entirely driven by 'transgender' people, and more specifically, biological males who are straight and want to shag lesbians and enter female changing rooms.

Vicky.

20-11-2017, 06:13 PM

Perhaps she just wants to be loved by a female as a woman? and perhaps the rest of it doesn't matter. I'll bet that if you asked any hetrosexual male to female trans what they would wish for more than anyting else in life, most of them would say, "a woman who loves my female side"

Shes not loved by a female as a woman, if she is shagging them with her penis though. Thats the most male thing anyone can do really.

'a woman who loves my female side'. I would challenge this and say it should be 'a woman who loves my feminine side'. Seems a small difference, but its a big difference given the state of the debate today.

arista

20-11-2017, 06:25 PM

Brillopad

20-11-2017, 06:56 PM

DemolitionRed

20-11-2017, 06:59 PM

Fair enough, I don't want to tell you your sexuality obviously, but in light of your reply, I would say you were probably pansexual, rather than bi?

I am actually bi, though have not been with a female for a long long time (since I was 17) but I could not be done with a person who looked like a man in all aspects but had a vagina, or vice versa. Just would be a huge turnoff for me.

I consider myself mostly straight now though tbh. I know sexuality does not change as such,. but its been a very long time since I was sexually interested in a female. Thats not just as I am married or in a long term relationship or anything as obviously I still fancy people besides my husband. I just have not seriously fancied a woman for ages, besides the usua 'shes really pretty' thought.

Basically, it seems that way. Chick with a dick is a very popular porn category actually, so it seems to be fairly popular in general :laugh:

Yeah, I used to think my long time on the LGBT scene made me open minded. Until it turned out lesbians were afraid to tell me of their very real experience with 'transgender' people and their dicks. They were scared to tell me as apparently I was too 'right on' in my thinking and would have joined in with the 'transphobe' taunting. And I am ashamed to admit, I probably would have :S Given until about a year back, I saw nothing wrong with our moderation policy on 'transphobia' and would happily infract anyone who referred to say...Kellie Maloney, as he when on BB. Its only very recently that I challenged this policy and said basically, we are forcing people to have a certain view, a view that is NOT scientifically proven and is akin to a religion. So we are forcing one religion onto people by moderating in that way. I don;t know if the policy did change or not, but I refuse to subscribe to the view that people have souls and can be 'born in the wrong body' any longer, so if I get banned for this so be it tbh. 'Born in the wrong body' is a mental illness. If it eases the sex dysphoria to have surgeries to resemble the opposite sex, then good for you. But noone can ever 'change sex'.

I don't think its an extreme view that males cannot become female, and the other way around. But apparently..it really is?! Even though transsexual people readily admit that they are their biological sex, just want to be the opposite one. I have not met even one transsexual woman who believes they ARE female. This seems to be entirely driven by 'transgender' people, and more specifically, biological males who are straight and want to shag lesbians and enter female changing rooms.

I think people can have whatever view they want, so when you say, nobody can ever change sex, its subjective. If we look at it scientifically, under the assumption that to be a woman or a man, you have to have ovaries or testicles, your right, but you have to accept that science is not about certainty. Humanities is a fairly new and exciting subject.

DemolitionRed

20-11-2017, 07:00 PM

Shes not loved by a female as a woman, if she is shagging them with her penis though. Thats the most male thing anyone can do really.

'a woman who loves my female side'. I would challenge this and say it should be 'a woman who loves my feminine side'. Seems a small difference, but its a big difference given the state of the debate today.

Do you know for certainty that she shags him as a female?

Vicky.

20-11-2017, 07:02 PM

Do you know for certainty that she shags him as a female?

I don't understand the question :suspect:

Vicky.

20-11-2017, 07:04 PM

I think people can have whatever view they want, so when you say, nobody can ever change sex, its subjective. If we look at it scientifically, under the assumption that to be a woman or a man, you have to have ovaries or testicles, your right, but you have to accept that science is not about certainty. Humanities is a fairly new and exciting subject.

Of course people can have whatever view they want. But to scream 'transphobe' at anyone who believe in what we currently know by science (maybe it will change in the future, who knows) is bloody ridiculous. And its whats happening, a lot.

DemolitionRed

20-11-2017, 07:34 PM

I don't understand the question :suspect:

Forget that question. I hadn't considered she has breasts!

DemolitionRed

20-11-2017, 07:45 PM

Of course people can have whatever view they want. But to scream 'transphobe' at anyone who believe in what we currently know by science (maybe it will change in the future, who knows) is bloody ridiculous. And its whats happening, a lot.

I can see why people get agitated and defensive when transgender women start stomping their stiletto heels and demanding rights that they very probably shouldn't have but that lot don't tend to be transexuals. Transexuals tend to be a lot less in peoples faces and less likely to bring attention to themselves.

Why should we condemn and belittle transexuals because transgenders are making a fuss? Two friends of ours have a transexual son (born female). I can't even start to imagine how he would feel if someone said, "your not and never will be a real man". I just don't understand why anyone would want to make that a thing.

We have to be careful not to broadly condemn these people and we have to accept that each and every one of us will feel differently about transgender and transexual people.

As for lesbians being harassed by transgender 'lesbians', I completely understand their annoyance. Nobody should be intimidated by anyone.

Vicky.

20-11-2017, 07:57 PM

I can see why people get agitated and defensive when transgender women start stomping their stiletto heels and demanding rights that they very probably shouldn't have but that lot don't tend to be transexuals. Transexuals tend to be a lot less in peoples faces and less likely to bring attention to themselves.

Why should we condemn and belittle transexuals because transgenders are making a fuss? Two friends of ours have a transexual son (born female). I can't even start to imagine how he would feel if someone said, "your not and never will be a real man". I just don't understand why anyone would want to make that a thing.

We have to be careful not to broadly condemn these people and we have to accept that each and every one of us will feel differently about transgender and transexual people.

As for lesbians being harassed by transgender 'lesbians', I completely understand their annoyance. Nobody should be intimidated by anyone.We don't but these people have been using spaces associated with their chosen sex for years now (if they pass. if they don't they tend to use the areas for their actual sex, so as not to upset people) with little issue. Its been an honour system tbh. So why are laws required that say 'all male people have access to female areas'? Which SI whats being proposed. And is what I am pushing back against with all of my might as I see how detrimental this would be to females.

Why the need for 'self-identification' laws when transsexual people would be able to receive a GRC anyway by basis of having actual sex dysphoria, and 'living as' their chosen sex for 2 years?

The proposed changes to law will not help transsexual people at all. Nor do the actions of transactivists and 'transgender' people.

In the case of your friends son, I would never say to him that he will always be female, though I do think that. As I am a nice person and do not wish to upset anyone.