Should we stop referring to children as boys and girls.

[Beso]

I am sure i heard good morning britain say they are going to discuss this.....how bloody ridiculous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i prefer the non gender specific term

brats

[Brillopad]

I am sure i heard good morning britain say they are going to discuss this.....how bloody ridiculous.

Silly question. Let’s not listen to the nutters.

[Eddie.]

there's no problem with that!

[smudgie]

Will we still have sons and daughters?

The way this gender stuff is going it's like you are ashamed to be what you are, surely we are trying to get away from all that.

[Cherie]

TiBB won't be able to cope, what about drinks with the girlies :skull:

but yes stupido, we don't all want to be gender neutral

[lewis111]

I mean I really don't think many people at all think that way
You hear the most liberal left wing people be like "I'm having a girl" or whatever - stuff like this just kind of makes a mockery out of a serious issue IMO

[bots]

we should start calling them little people ..... oh wait :worry:

[Kazanne]

I watched this earlier,jesus how bloody silly can we get? totally with Piers Morgan on this,it's a wonder people over 30 ever survived !!!

[Cherie]

we should start calling them little people ..... oh wait :worry:

:joker:

[Livia]

Madness... And there's also a suggestion that we should not use the words "born a woman" because it will upset trans people.

There are loads of people struggling with their gender identity and mad crap like this does nothing to help them in their struggle. As always the maddest, loudest people get heard.

[Niamh.]

No

[Oliver_W]

Why is this even a question?

NO.

[bots]

Madness... And there's also a suggestion that we should not use the words "born a woman" because it will upset trans people.

There are loads of people struggling with their gender identity and mad crap like this does nothing to help them in their struggle. As always the maddest, loudest people get heard.

The most laughable aspect of this is that that phrase predominately exists indeed almost exclusively within the trans community, so they are censoring themselves :laugh:. I have absolutely no reason to use that phrase, its never even crossed my mind to ask women that I have met .... were you "born a woman"

[Northern Monkey]

I warned you all about all this SJW far left PC stuff coming over here from the US months/years ago.Everyone thought it was just a few idiots.It’s insane ideology infecting real actual normal people’s lives now.

[Northern Monkey]

The most laughable aspect of this is that that phrase predominately exists indeed almost exclusively within the trans community, so they are censoring themselves :laugh:. I have absolutely no reason to use that phrase, its never even crossed my mind to ask women that I have met .... were you "born a woman"

So true :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Madness... And there's also a suggestion that we should not use the words "born a woman" because it will upset trans people.

There are loads of people struggling with their gender identity and mad crap like this does nothing to help them in their struggle. As always the maddest, loudest people get heard.

It’d be a tight squeeze if anybody was actually born a woman tbh.

[joeysteele]

Bonkers.

[Niamh.]

It’d be a tight squeeze if anybody was actually born a woman tbh.

:laugh:

[Alf]

Geezers and Crumpet

[Livia]

It’d be a tight squeeze if anybody was actually born a woman tbh.

LOL...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Geezers and Crumpet

Will's festive name?

[mizzy25]

ridiculous

[Shaun]

I assume the issue is with people saying things that are gender-specific, eg: "boys don't cry", "dolls are for girls", "boys will be boys", "stop acting like such a girl" etc. Which I do think should be avoided... but obviously avoiding a person's sex altogether is a little bit silly and I don't think is going to pave the way to a happy and problem-free trans childhood.

[Brillopad]

I warned you all about all this SJW far left PC stuff coming over here from the US months/years ago.Everyone thought it was just a few idiots.It’s insane ideology infecting real actual normal people’s lives now.

At the end of the day it will only happen if people allow it to. If we just don’t bow down to all this manipulative nonsence, ignore it and don’t change our behaviours to suit - it will eventually disappear into the pit of past fads that failed where it belongs.

People that try to tell others how to think are in the minority and only become the majority if we adjust our thoughts and behaviours to accommodate their silly Whimsical ‘ideology’. I will continue to ignore the craziness and make my own decisions.

If we vote in crazy governments that support such madness then we may have a problem.

[Brillopad]

Will we still have sons and daughters?

The way this gender stuff is going it's like you are ashamed to be what you are, surely we are trying to get away from all that.

Good point.

I would like to see someone try to stop me referring to my children as my sons or my boys!

[Josy]

Lot of ****e

[Greg!]

Of course not.

[arista]

i prefer the non gender specific term

brats


How Nice

[arista]

http://www.festivalofeducation.cn/images/edfest2016/EdFest-NatashaDevon-large.jpg

Its all HER FAULT


She was on thismorning ITV1HD
first bit.

GMBHD itv
has also invited her on next Mon or Tues.


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/author/natasha-devon/

[Brillopad]

http://www.festivalofeducation.cn/images/edfest2016/EdFest-NatashaDevon-large.jpg

Its all HER FAULT


She was on thismorning ITV1HD
first bit.

GMBHD itv
has also invited her on next Mon or Tues.


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/author/natasha-devon/

She’s a fruit cake trying to get publicity any way she can. She can crawl back under her rock.

[Tom4784]

I assume the issue is with people saying things that are gender-specific, eg: "boys don't cry", "dolls are for girls", "boys will be boys", "stop acting like such a girl" etc. Which I do think should be avoided... but obviously avoiding a person's sex altogether is a little bit silly and I don't think is going to pave the way to a happy and problem-free trans childhood.

Yup, agree with all this.

[arista]

She’s a fruit cake trying to get publicity any way she can. She can crawl back under her rock.


She is bitter
as she was once advised
Dave Cameron the former PM

[Niamh.]

This explains alot :

A SACKED children's mental health tsar

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4971203/natasha-devon-mental-health-wants-gender-neutral-language-schools/

although, now I read the whole thing I think the thread is a bit misleading, she doesn't say ban those term outright, Shauns point was right

Responding to negative reactions about her comments, Natasha said: "I didn’t advocate ‘banning’ the terms ‘boy’ and ‘girl’.

[BBUK-Fan]

PC gone ****ing mad again!

[Beso]

I assume the issue is with people saying things that are gender-specific, eg: "boys don't cry", "dolls are for girls", "boys will be boys", "stop acting like such a girl" etc. Which I do think should be avoided... but obviously avoiding a person's sex altogether is a little bit silly and I don't think is going to pave the way to a happy and problem-free trans childhood.

No, its more to do with teachers referring to pupils as boys or girls.

[Vicky.]

I assume the issue is with people saying things that are gender-specific, eg: "boys don't cry", "dolls are for girls", "boys will be boys", "stop acting like such a girl" etc. Which I do think should be avoided... but obviously avoiding a person's sex altogether is a little bit silly and I don't think is going to pave the way to a happy and problem-free trans childhood.

Ms Devon said: “If your narrative is saying girls don’t get angry, or boys don’t cry, or girls aren’t allowed to do this, or boys aren’t allowed to do this, then that is potentially going to have an impact on your well-being.

“So I hope that in taking away the negative stereotypes associated with gender, we can ultimately improve their mental health.”

She warned teachers it was best to avoid gendered terms because there could be transgender pupils in the classroom.

Ms Devon added: “There are some schools I go into that are single-sex schools, but there are transgender students in the year.


Half right. But it seems the issue is with calling girls girls...and boys boys aswell as the stereotypes associated with these biological facts :laugh:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/882568/Teachers-female-pupils-gender-neutral-girls-ladies-Natasha-Devon

What I find interesting about her view, is that she is entirely correct in stating that sex stereotypes are utter bollocks. But then goes onto say

“You can’t presume that because somebody presents as a gender that that’s what they are.”

What is 'presenting' as a gender, if not stereotypes in itself? :suspect:


Breaking down sex stereotypes as much as possible will help a hell of a lot of people, and could very well slow the current social contagion that is children saying they are transgender (and then being shoved onto chemo drugs because of this :rolleyes: ). But to say in the next breath that someone 'presenting' as the opposite sex makes someone 'trans' rather than just, for example, a boy in a dress who has long hair...well its just reinforcing the stereotypes even more to me. And wanting to break down sex stereotypes, does not mean we should pretend sex does not exist in the first place.


I actually thought this thread was going to be about the teacher who was suspended last week for referring to a 'transboy' who was in a group with other females...calling the group 'girls.

[Vicky.]

Didn't read the sun link because..well the sun I tend to not click if there is an alternative. Have clicked it now just incase it was about the religious guy last week instead...and it seems when pressed further on the issues, she seems to have problems with stereotypes, but is also happy to invoke stereotypes in deciding that a kid is trans rather than their actual sex.

Girls and boys are perfectly fine to use.

Saying things such as 'boys don't cry' or 'you must be a girl as boys don't wear dresses' or 'you are a boy because you like playing with trucks instead of dolls'...and so on, is the problem. Not the use of the terms him/her/boy/girl in themselves. Its just enforcing 'gender' all the more when everyone should be working to smash it, tbh.

[Kizzy]

i prefer the non gender specific term

brats

Agreed.

[smudgie]

I really thought we had got over the boys toys and girls toys at least a generation ago.
Both my kids had a good selection of all toys. Tea sets for both, train sets for both etc.
Cuddly toys and teddybears for all.

[Vicky.]

I really thought we had got over the boys toys and girls toys at least a generation ago.
Both my kids had a good selection of all toys. Tea sets for both, train sets for both etc.
Cuddly toys and teddybears for all.

Do did I. We seemed to be going in the right direction. Not its all gone backwards, and quickly.

[jaxie]

Totes happy with boys and girls.