Harry to Marry

[Crimson Dynamo]

the USA girl

just announced

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2017825/rs_634x1024-170925112036-634.24meghan-markle-princey-harry-invictus.jpg

[Kazanne]

the USA girl

just announced

Oh some good news for a change.:cheer2:

[bots]

Poised for the topless pics tomorrow :hehe:

[Wizard.]

Awh cant wait!

[Locke.]

She is a welcome addition to our country that is for sure

[Cherie]

they look very happy :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

can you imagine the scenes at the DM and the DE right now?


:idc:

[Greg!]

Congrats to them but ngl I'm most perched for the bank holiday
https://i.imgur.com/qCixUO1.jpg

[Cherie]

Can you induct her into the knitting club LT as she is one of us :smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can you induct her into the knitting club LT as she is one of us :smug:

:nono:

rule 23: No foreigners

[Niamh.]

She'll always be Rachel to me :love:

[Oliver_W]

This was announced right after Black Friday weekend ... he blatantly got the engagement ring in the Sales!

[Crimson Dynamo]

This was announced right after Black Friday weekend ... he blatantly got the engagement ring in the Sales!

and today is cyber monday so i would bet she is a sex robot

[bots]

She should have been called Sally

[Denver]

Nobody cares because she isnt me

[Alf]

The question most people want the answer to, is. Do we get the day of work?

[smudgie]

Lovely news.
Congratulations to them both.


On an inquisitive note, how on earth can a divorcee get married in a C of E church, never mind one of the top ones like the Abbey?

[bots]

Lovely news.
Congratulations to them both.


On an inquisitive note, how on earth can a divorcee get married in a C of E church, never mind one of the top ones like the Abbey?

Henry the 8th managed it :laugh:

[smudgie]

Henry the 8th managed it :laugh:

Indeed:laugh::laugh:

[Nicky91]

and today is cyber monday so i would bet she is a sex robot

do those robots exist :omgno:

[BBUK-Fan]

So pleased :) I'll have to buy my hat

[bots]

do those robots exist :omgno:

LT has one, shares the rental with Arista

[thesheriff443]

She is marrying the ginger head man.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT has one, shares the rental with Arista

:fist:

yeah and if I have to clean out the filter one more time..

[arista]

the USA girl

just announced


Yes born in LA
Lived in Toronto Canada.

[Meghan Markle's decision to wear a white belted coat by Canadian brand
Line the Label has caused the company's website to crash as royal outfit hunters rush to pick up the design.]
https://news.sky.com/story/live-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-showered-with-congratulations-after-wedding-announcement-11146383

[arista]

do those robots exist :omgno:


Yes USA Military Robots
are now ready for WW3
Not seen in public yet.

[Sticks]

How is this allowed?

She is a divorcee :shocked::eek:

In previous times Harry would be ordered to dump her by the palace officials the way that Prince Andrew was ordered to drop Koo Stark.

Maybe there is still time for common sense to prevail and Harry be instructed to marry one of the European princesses

[arista]

How is this allowed?

She is a divorcee :shocked::eek:

In previous times Harry would be ordered to dump her by the palace officials the way that Prince Andrew was ordered to drop Koo Stark.

Maybe there is still time for common sense to prevail and Harry be instructed to marry one of the European princesses


Times have changed, it appears
Sticks - the Public do not care anymore......................

[Ross.]

Fuming they’re snatching Rachel Zane away from me

[Cherie]

How is this allowed?

She is a divorcee :shocked::eek:

In previous times Harry would be ordered to dump her by the palace officials the way that Prince Andrew was ordered to drop Koo Stark.

Maybe there is still time for common sense to prevail and Harry be instructed to marry one of the European princesses

Because of the car crash Charles and Di were, marrying someone out of a sense of duty never works

[bots]

How is this allowed?

She is a divorcee :shocked::eek:

In previous times Harry would be ordered to dump her by the palace officials the way that Prince Andrew was ordered to drop Koo Stark.

Maybe there is still time for common sense to prevail and Harry be instructed to marry one of the European princesses

at that time Andrew was 2nd in line for the throne whereas Harry is well down the pecking order now. Also, the queen has passed her most lucid years

[arista]

at that time Andrew was 2nd in line for the throne whereas Harry is well down the pecking order now. Also, the queen has passed her most lucid years


Good Points
B.O.T.S.

[arista]

Because of the car crash Charles and Di were, marrying someone out of a sense of duty never works


Was it?

[Denver]

Because of the car crash Charles and Di were, marrying someone out of a sense of duty never works

Oh Cherie

[Ross.]

Because of the car crash Charles and Di were, marrying someone out of a sense of duty never works

Oh wow Cherie

[Cherie]

Oh Cherie

Oops :laugh: that was an unintentional faux pas but I regret nothing :hmph:

[Brother Leon]

Meghan :lovedup: A true Queen we deserve.

[Beso]

She doesnt look like the mothering type.

[Cherie]

Lovely interview :flutter:

[Ashley.]

Congrats to them but ngl I'm most perched for the bank holiday
https://i.imgur.com/qCixUO1.jpg

There won't be one.

[arista]

She doesnt look like the mothering type.

its Early Days.

[arista]

Meghan :lovedup: A true Queen we deserve.


Not going to happen.
She says she has met the Queen.

But she will marry Prince Harry..

[arista]

She has a black mother in LA

ref: Ch4HD News live

[Shaun]

this impacts my life massively

[Denver]

She has a black mother in LA

this impacts my life massively

.

[Kizzy]

*Looks for a fcuk to give....fails*


I'm happy for them as two people in love but that's as far as it goes.

[Josy]

Sick hearing about it already

[bots]

Sick hearing about it already

we have probably 5 or 6 months of this to look forward to ... oh joy :laugh:

[Josy]

we have probably 5 or 6 months of this to look forward to ... oh joy :laugh:

Yep can't wait

[DemolitionRed]

They have issues finding decent royal princess these days...after hapsburg and the Russians ended...

This one is actually an American with ancestry linking her to the British royal family.

[Cherie]

we have probably 5 or 6 months of this to look forward to ... oh joy :laugh:

Yep can't wait

I don't think it will be too bad, Harry managed to keep the publicity of them seeing each other pretty much under wraps, I think he will be the same with the wedding prep, at least I hope so.

[Kizzy]

The govt will be leaping for joy it gives the tabloids something else to focus on other than their 3 ring circus act.

[Livia]

Delighted for them. So it's not just me marrying a yank after Christmas, maybe I started a trend...

[Kizzy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefit-freeze-working-people-typical-family-300-real-terms-cut-inflation-a8079196.html

[Cherie]

Wedding will be at Windsor Castle, the Americans will go mental

[Livia]

Wedding will be at Windsor Castle, the Americans will go mental

The Americans will be wondering why they built such a beautiful castle so close the to the airport.

[Cherie]

The Americans will be wondering why they built such a beautiful castle so close the to the airport.

:laugh:

[arista]

So its in May 2018.

She has confirmed she will become British Citizen

Also they have said they will pay for the Wedding.

Not a Bank Holiday
might be a weekend.

Ref: Ch5newsHD Live 5:30PM
and SkyNewsHD

[Sticks]

So its in May 2018.
She has confirmed she will become British Citizen


Is that because of historical parallels with Edward and Mrs Simpson?

I would like to know how she can get married in a Church of England when she is a divorcee? I thought they could not marry in church, is that not why Charles and Camilla had to get married in a registrars office, if I recall correctly.

[AnnieK]

Is that because of historical parallels with Edward and Mrs Simpson?

I would like to know how she can get married in a Church of England when she is a divorcee? I thought they could not marry in church, is that not why Charles and Camilla had to get married in a registrars office, if I recall correctly.

I know people who have been divorced and remarried in church. I think its down to the discretion of the vicar.

[arista]

Is that because of historical parallels with Edward and Mrs Simpson?

I would like to know how she can get married in a Church of England when she is a divorcee? I thought they could not marry in church, is that not why Charles and Camilla had to get married in a registrars office, if I recall correctly.

No Sticks
it due the birth of Wills /Kate
new baby in April before that etc
they said.

Also she will become a Protestant

[Crimson Dynamo]

No Sticks
it due the birth of Wills /Kate
new baby in April before that etc
they said.

Also she will become a Protestant

WATP :dance:

[bots]

No Sticks
it due the birth of Wills /Kate
new baby in April before that etc
they said.

Also she will become a Protestant

she will have to if she wants to re-marry won't she? otherwise they have to abstain from sex :pipe:

[Shaun]

Delighted for them. So it's not just me marrying a yank after Christmas, maybe I started a trend...

I think we all love a good yank after Christmas

[Sticks]

I think we all love a good yank after Christmas

So was Livia's intended born north of the Mason Dixon Line?

You never call anyone born south of the Mason Dixon line a Yankee :nono:

[Denver]

May 19th is the date

[Cal.]

BB19 promo to be royal wedding themed then obviously!

[Denver]

Emma to host the wedding?

[Kizzy]

I couldn't be less interested, just another parasite.

[arista]

Stupid date 19th May
his brother is a at
a Football event?

Ref: LBC and SkyNewsHD

[rusticgal]

Stupid date 19th May
his brother is a at
a Football event?

Ref: LBC and SkyNewsHD

Strange choice...FA cup final..William has to be there...Kate heavily pregnant or just given birth...Football top sport in this country...
...or was it simply to avoid another public holiday.

[Sticks]

Stupid date 19th May
his brother is a at
a Football event?

Ref: LBC and SkyNewsHD

Fear not, there is still time that this could be called off by the palace courtiers with Harry being pressed to marry somebody they deem more suitable, like a princess from one of the royal houses of Europe or Scandinavia as a counterweight to Brexit


:devil:

[empire]

she ticks most boxes in the royal family, doubt that prince Philip would let him marry her years ago but he's mellow with his age, at least harry is not marrying some princess from a strict Muslim country, if he did that, it would cause a huge uproar, and he will have to convert to there religion, and it will not go down well with the royal's and the upper class, and his girlfriend will fit in very well there.

[DemolitionRed]

Prince Harry wants to invite the Obamas, who are personal friends. Nobody wants to invite Donald Trump. If Obama gets to meet and chat with the royals and Trump isn't even welcome in Britain it could be the end of our Special Relationship (which I actually think is down the spout anyway).

This could be great fun.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/prince-harry-warned-barack-obama-wedding-invite-could-be-in-trouble/ar-BBHnXy1?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=UE12DHP

[Beso]

Poor girl.

[waterhog]

Prince Harry wants to invite the Obamas, who are personal friends. Nobody wants to invite Donald Trump. If Obama gets to meet and chat with the royals and Trump isn't even welcome in Britain it could be the end of our Special Relationship (which I actually think is down the spout anyway).

This could be great fun.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/prince-harry-warned-barack-obama-wedding-invite-could-be-in-trouble/ar-BBHnXy1?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=UE12DHP

the usa and the uk have a bond stronger then me and anyone who receives a love of my life poem from me :shrug:

[Kizzy]

I see she has already been paraded in grotesque fashion in a £56,000 dress!
While the country is crippled with austerity, what a revolting display of ostentation.

[Sticks]

I see she has already been paraded in grotesque fashion in a £56,000 dress!
While the country is crippled with austerity, what a revolting display of ostentation.

Viva La Revolution! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution)

liberté, égalité et fraternité.

Storm the Bastille!

Bring on Madame Le Guillotine

Oh wait I forgot, Napoleon once said you can't have a revolution in England

[Cherie]

I see she has already been paraded in grotesque fashion in a £56,000 dress!
While the country is crippled with austerity, what a revolting display of ostentation.

Meghan's semi-sheer Ralph & Russo dress with gold feather detailing and a ruffled skirt is racier than what we're used to from royal fiancées - although it certainly comes with a regal price tag, thought to have cost £56,000.

I agree its very pricey but maybe she paid for it herself

someone will put a high street version out and it will sell out, just like the coat she wore ...hard times..

[bots]

if she wants to wear a 56k dress and she can afford it or was given it, what is the problem?

Personally, if I see any news relating to her and Harry now I just switch channels. She may be a nice girl and all that, but I really couldn't give 2 ****s

[Kizzy]

Viva La Revolution! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution)

liberté, égalité et fraternité.

Storm the Bastille!

Bring on Madame Le Guillotine

Oh wait I forgot, Napoleon once said you can't have a revolution in England

Don't mock me, I have my own mind and if I want my own revolution right here in my living room I will! Don't you have some fan fiction to write or something?

[Kizzy]

Meghan's semi-sheer Ralph & Russo dress with gold feather detailing and a ruffled skirt is racier than what we're used to from royal fiancées - although it certainly comes with a regal price tag, thought to have cost £56,000.

I agree its very pricey but maybe she paid for it herself

someone will put a high street version out and it will sell out, just like the coat she wore ...hard times..

Maybe she did? Who cares, my point still stands it is an ugly show of ostentation when across the country many are homeless relying on foodbanks.

What am I meant to feel?... I don't understand Cherie.
It's a lovely young woman in a dress made literally of spun gold and the toil of millions of worms... how apt.

And the cold comfort is many can splurge their insufficient wage on a polyester version?

:joker:

[Cherie]

Maybe she did? Who cares, my point still stands it is an ugly show of ostentation when across the country many are homeless relying on foodbanks.

What am I meant to feel?... I don't understand Cherie.
It's a lovely young woman in a dress made literally of spun gold and the toil of millions of worms... how apt.

And the cold comfort is many can splurge their insufficient wage on a polyester version?

:joker:

Not cold comfort but ironic that people will find money to buy the polyester version in times where everyone is poverty stricken apparently

[Kizzy]

Not cold comfort but ironic that people will find money to buy the polyester version in times where everyone is poverty stricken apparently

You don't think people are poverty stricken, do you know what the average student debt is?... or how easy it is to get credit?

[Livia]

I see pop stars, footballers and celebrities of all kinds parading around in clothes worth a ridiculous amount of money, and then see those same people on Comic Relief, Children in Need etc. asking us to give what we can.

[AnnieK]

I see pop stars, footballers and celebrities of all kinds parading around in clothes worth a ridiculous amount of money, and then see those same people on Comic Relief, Children in Need etc. asking us to give what we can.

Agreed, and then a few months later they are all pedalling their latest fragrances and fashion lines. Those with wealth will always flaunt it

[Kizzy]

I see pop stars, footballers and celebrities of all kinds parading around in clothes worth a ridiculous amount of money, and then see those same people on Comic Relief, Children in Need etc. asking us to give what we can.

What has that to do with the royal family and what they represent as figureheads for the United Kingdom?
Try to maintain the thread topic otherwise it whole thing derails and makes little to no sense.

[Sticks]

What has that to do with the royal family and what they represent as figureheads for the United Kingdom?
Try to maintain the thread topic otherwise it whole thing derails and makes little to no sense.

You started the derail at post 78 and others piled in.

When are we going to get back to discussing how Harry can do better than second hand goods

[jaxie]

She comes across as a bit fake to me and the clinging to his arm body language is a bit weird. I wonder if she'd be quite so in love if he was some ginger waiter from London. The cynic in me feels the actress got a great new job.

As to her frock, well as has been pointed out most celebs who can afford to dress it up and really if they earned it they can spend their money how they want. We might hope for them to spend on something more noble but few of us are that self sacrificing with money in our pocket. Also let's not forget someone has make the dress, there is a whole industry of people in a job because of those expensive dresses so cast them a thought when calling for madame Le guillotine. They are entitled to a living too. Where will they all be if we cease to cast pearls before swine and get down with our sack cloth and ashes?

[Niamh.]

You started the derail at post 78 and others piled in.

When are we going to get back to discussing how Harry can do better than second hand goodsSecond hand goods? What is this 1950? Megan is a beautiful and successful woman, Harry has done well for himself

[Sticks]

This is no ordinary male, he is a royal and she is a divorcee. We had this issue in 1936, do people ever learn? If we must have this anachronistic obsolete system of governance then we have to do it properly

[Niamh.]

This is no ordinary male, he is a royal and she is a divorcee. We had this issue in 1936, do people ever learn? If we must have this anachronistic obsolete system of governance then we have to do it properlyWho actually gives a **** if she's a divorcee? Not Harry that's for sure, your comments about her are so disrespectful

[James]

This is no ordinary male, he is a royal and she is a divorcee. We had this issue in 1936, do people ever learn? If we must have this anachronistic obsolete system of governance then we have to do it properly

The Church of England didn't allow divorced people to marry in church in 1936, unlike now.

[Brillopad]

She comes across as a bit fake to me and the clinging to his arm body language is a bit weird. I wonder if she'd be quite so in love if he was some ginger waiter from London. The cynic in me feels the actress got a great new job.

As to her frock, well as has been pointed out most celebs who can afford to dress it up and really if they earned it they can spend their money how they want. We might hope for them to spend on something more noble but few of us are that self sacrificing with money in our pocket. Also let's not forget someone has make the dress, there is a whole industry of people in a job because of those expensive dresses so cast them a thought when calling for madame Le guillotine. They are entitled to a living too. Where will they all be if we cease to cast pearls before swine and get down with our sack cloth and ashes?

The cynic in me also wonders whether she would be so keen if he was not a prince. People get far too carried away with romance and royalty.

[Niamh.]

The poor girl, jeez

[Brillopad]

You don't think people are poverty stricken, do you know what the average student debt is?... or how easy it is to get credit?

Life isn’t supposed to be too easy when starting out - previous generations will be able to tell a few stories of sacrifice and going without. As for credit cards those old enough to vote are old enough to exercise self control. If they can’t afford the payments they shouldn’t spend.

[Kizzy]

You started the derail at post 78 and others piled in.

When are we going to get back to discussing how Harry can do better than second hand goods

I stated my opinion, you chose to mock it Sticks.

[Kizzy]

Life isn’t supposed to be too easy when starting out - previous generations will be able to tell a few stories of sacrifice and going without. As for credit cards those old enough to vote are old enough to exercise self control. If they can’t afford the payments they shouldn’t spend.

Says who?....

Previous generations know nothing about the cost of living today, do a few quick comparisons now...rent, food, fuel, utilities, tuition fee loans, it's not even nearly comparable.
Why are you presuming it is only the young drowning in debt while working and living hand to mouth?... it's every generation so your daily millennial bashing is wasted here.

I don't care if you agree with me on the dress being a sickening extravagance or not I felt it conducive to the thread and I mentioned it.

[Brillopad]

Says who?....

Previous generations know nothing about the cost of living today, do a few quick comparisons now...rent, food, fuel, utilities, tuition fee loans, it's not even nearly comparable.
Why are you presuming it is only the young drowning in debt while working and living hand to mouth?... it's every generation so your daily millennial bashing is wasted here.

I don't care if you agree with me on the dress being a sickening extravagance or not I felt it conducive to the thread and I mentioned it.

Actually I agree it is a sickening extravagance but I still believe too many today expect to have everything now rather than work for it over time. Free further education, high salary, own home, nice car, all mod cons, holidays abroad etc. It’s all now, now, now.

Many of the previous generations neither had or expected any of that. Just like now there were the haves and the have nots whilst others saved and worked two or more jobs to own their own homes, cars etc. This generation are not victims.

[Kizzy]

Actually I agree it is a sickening extravagance but I still believe too many today expect to have everything now rather than work for it over time. Free further education, high salary, own home, nice car, all mod cons, holidays abroad etc. It’s all now, now, now.

Many of the previous generations neither had or expected any of that. Just like now there were the haves and the have nots whilst others saved and worked two or more jobs to own their own homes, cars etc. This generation are not victims.

There is no concept of time now, nothing gets easier with age there is no money to save at the end of the month I wrk 4 12hr night shifts 4 off.. I live in a council house I live frugally don't run a car, don't smoke or drink and I have jack left at the end of the month.... Where is this utopia for 40 somethings?

We are ALL victims!

[Brillopad]

There is no concept of time now, nothing gets easier with age there is no money to save at the end of the month I wrk 4 12hr night shifts 4 off.. I live in a council house I live frugally don't run a car, don't smoke or drink and I have jack left at the end of the month.... Where is this utopia for 40 somethings?

We are ALL victims!

Ther is no utopia - except for the few. Most have to work for what they have whether they own their own homes or not. If they have the advantage of a uni education, even with student debt, they are in a better position than many but it seems all they do is moan. That’s because they aspire for too much too soon in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Ther is no utopia - except for the few. Most have to work for what they have whether they own their own homes or not. If they have the advantage of a uni education, even with student debt, they are in a better position than many but it seems all they do is moan. That’s because they aspire for too much too soon in my opinion.

Thanks for stating the obvious.
Explain how they're in a better position? and in my situation ...what can I aspire to brillo?
You've got all the answers for the young people what about old twonks like me living hand to mouth, what does the oracle suggest for me?

[Cherie]

Thanks for stating the obvious.
Explain how they're in a better position? and in my situation ...what can I aspire to brillo?
You've got all the answers for the young people what about old twonks like me living hand to mouth, what does the oracle suggest for me?

Aspire to a better paying job?

[Kizzy]

Aspire to a better paying job?

Oh gee Cherie why didn't I think of that?

Thanks :thumbs:

[Tom4784]

Aspire to a better paying job?

Someone get Cherie to the job centre, stat, she'll solve unemployment before lunch.

[Cherie]

Oh gee Cherie why didn't I think of that?

Thanks :thumbs:

You kinda invited it :laugh:

[Cherie]

Someone get Cherie to the job centre, stat, she'll solve unemployment before lunch..

Kizzy asked a question and I answered I wasn't speaking for the nation :hee:

[Kizzy]

Kizzy asked a question and I answered I wasn't speaking for the nation :hee:

No you were mocking me Cherie, thanks for your suggestion . Noted

My point in relation to the 56k dress stands.

[Cherie]

No you were mocking me Cherie, thanks for your suggestion . Noted

My point in relation to the 56k dress stands.

No I wasn't mocking you Kizzy I was responding to what you posted, it seems obvious to me that if you are literally living hand to mouth that you would look around for a better paid job,you are well educated you don't need to be in a job that doesn't pay a living wage working ridiculously long shifts.


With regard to the dress, no one has argued that it isn't extravagant (if that is what it cost), the likelihood is she will never have to pay for another outfit as designers will be falling over themselves for her to wear their designs like the coat she wore for the announcement which was on the more affordable end of the scale

http://time.com/5037870/meghan-markle-coat-engagement-photo/

[Cherie]

This is no ordinary male, he is a royal and she is a divorcee. We had this issue in 1936, do people ever learn? If we must have this anachronistic obsolete system of governance then we have to do it properly

What about Charles and Camilla? they are both second hand goods in your world and Charles will be King, Harry is a minor Royal in terms of ever getting his bottom on the throne

[Kazanne]

I like Harry and I like Megan fair play to them ,she looks lovely in her 'posh' frocks ,who cares how much her clothes cost ,she earns her money so don't see a problem,Kate also always looks lovely and stylish.

[Kizzy]

No I wasn't mocking you Kizzy I was responding to what you posted, it seems obvious to me that if you are literally living hand to mouth that you would look around for a better paid job,you are well educated you don't need to be in a job that doesn't pay a living wage working ridiculously long shifts.


With regard to the dress, no one has argued that it is extravagant (if that is what it cost), the likelihood is she will never have to pay for another outfit as designers will be falling over themselves for her to wear their designs like the coat she wore for the announcement which was on the more affordable end of the scale

http://time.com/5037870/meghan-markle-coat-engagement-photo/

I'm aware of what I could do Cherie, yet if you can try look at my situation as an analogy I was painting a picture of the working lives of many across Britain... the JAMS, the ones who homelessness is 3 payslips away.

That is not just a reality for young adults but all adults on 'minimum' wage.
Sorry for being unnecessarily blunt this morning.

[Niamh.]

What about Charles and Camilla? they are both second hand goods in your world and Charles will be King, Harry is a minor Royal in terms of ever getting his bottom on the throne

H's a man though.......... seems only women can be second hand goods

[bots]

thankfully, we don't live in a communist country where you can work your socks off and others feel entitled to a share of our own money.

Megan was an actress in a top show before she took up with Harry. How many actresses have we seen walking down the red carpet at events wearing stunning dresses. The majority of peoples reaction to that is not, she should have helped the poor rather than wear that dress, its wow, doesn't she look stunning.

If we dress everyone up in sack cloth, where is the enjoyment and fun in the world, where has the inspiration to succeed gone to.

There should be plenty people on here that can remember the amazing boost that Diana brought to the fashion industry. She single handed brought the fashion industry back to life inspiring a generation.

[smudgie]

thankfully, we don't live in a communist country where you can work your socks off and others feel entitled to a share of our own money.

Megan was an actress in a top show before she took up with Harry. How many actresses have we seen walking down the red carpet at events wearing stunning dresses. The majority of peoples reaction to that is not, she should have helped the poor rather than wear that dress, its wow, doesn't she look stunning.

If we dress everyone up in sack cloth, where is the enjoyment and fun in the world, where has the inspiration to succeed gone to.

There should be plenty people on here that can remember the amazing boost that Diana brought to the fashion industry. She single handed brought the fashion industry back to life inspiring a generation.

Yes. Very well said.
I am sure we all try to look our best for special occasions, whatever we can afford. There is no law about us all having to spend a set amount on clothes, we are all different and can spend our money on what we prefer.
We also have no clue as to if these richer people do actually give to the poor and keep quiet about it.

[jaxie]

thankfully, we don't live in a communist country where you can work your socks off and others feel entitled to a share of our own money.

Megan was an actress in a top show before she took up with Harry. How many actresses have we seen walking down the red carpet at events wearing stunning dresses. The majority of peoples reaction to that is not, she should have helped the poor rather than wear that dress, its wow, doesn't she look stunning.

If we dress everyone up in sack cloth, where is the enjoyment and fun in the world, where has the inspiration to succeed gone to.

There should be plenty people on here that can remember the amazing boost that Diana brought to the fashion industry. She single handed brought the fashion industry back to life inspiring a generation.

Good post. :clap1:

[Livia]

What has that to do with the royal family and what they represent as figureheads for the United Kingdom?
Try to maintain the thread topic otherwise it whole thing derails and makes little to no sense.

Firstly, don't be so bloody rude! My comment was COMPLETELY in context with the thread.

If it's the Ralph & Russo dress you're referring to, they are British designers. Like Kate, I imagine that Meghan will raise the profile of British designers across the world in much the same way that Princess Diana, and indeed the Queen have always done. This gives British fashion houses publicity they couldn't buy, demand goes up, more jobs are created... it's simple really.

[Kazanne]

thankfully, we don't live in a communist country where you can work your socks off and others feel entitled to a share of our own money.

Megan was an actress in a top show before she took up with Harry. How many actresses have we seen walking down the red carpet at events wearing stunning dresses. The majority of peoples reaction to that is not, she should have helped the poor rather than wear that dress, its wow, doesn't she look stunning.

If we dress everyone up in sack cloth, where is the enjoyment and fun in the world, where has the inspiration to succeed gone to.

There should be plenty people on here that can remember the amazing boost that Diana brought to the fashion industry. She single handed brought the fashion industry back to life inspiring a generation.


Brilliant:wavey:

[Kizzy]

Firstly, don't be so bloody rude! My comment was COMPLETELY in context with the thread.

If it's the Ralph & Russo dress you're referring to, they are British designers. Like Kate, I imagine that Meghan will raise the profile of British designers across the world in much the same way that Princess Diana, and indeed the Queen have always done. This gives British fashion houses publicity they couldn't buy, demand goes up, more jobs are created... it's simple really.


Where was I rude to you? You're the one swearing :/ More jobs are created where, do you thing the polyester recreations will be made here?... LOL.

[Livia]

Where was I rude to you? You're the one swearing :/ More jobs are created where, do you thing the polyester recreations will be made here?... LOL.

It's undeniable that the royals make a mint for the British fashion industry. Also, there are lots of up and coming young British designers who make their clothes in the UK, and the royals tend to support young British designers. Lots of department stores - John Lewis, Debenhams - are stocking more British-made clothes... But beside all that, Meghan Markle is a woman of independent means, she may well have bought the dress herself. Who are we to police who spends how much and on what?

[Kizzy]

It's undeniable that the royals make a mint for the British fashion industry. Also, there are lots of up and coming young British designers who make their clothes in the UK, and the royals tend to support young British designers. Lots of department stores - John Lewis, Debenhams - are stocking more British-made clothes... But beside all that, Meghan Markle is a woman of independent means, she may well have bought the dress herself. Who are we to police who spends how much and on what?

John Lewis is owned by the Chinese...And Debenhams in Leeds by an Islamic bank... Where is the inclusion of young British designers in these stores.. It might help for you to show me who the UK based designers are making UK produced clothes for the royals, I've looked but I don't see any.

She may have bought the dress herself, that wasn't my initial issue was it? I'm not policing anyone, just raising a philosophical argument surrounding the benefits of demonstrations of extreme wealth like this in the current economic climate for most in the UK.

[smudgie]

John Lewis is owned by the Chinese...And Debenhams in Leeds by an Islamic bank... Where is the inclusion of young British designers in these stores.. It might help for you to show me who the UK based designers are making UK produced clothes for the royals, I've looked but I don't see any.

She may have bought the dress herself, that wasn't my initial issue was it? I'm not policing anyone, just raising a philosophical argument surrounding the benefits of demonstrations of extreme wealth like this in the current economic climate for most in the UK.

John Lewis is a partnership, well known for the fact that its employees are shareholders.
The Chinese refused to give John Lewis it's rights to the trademark on its name, the same as many other well known British shops, so perhaps China have a load of British sounding shops whose names they have nicked.:shrug:

The building that Debenhams trade in is owned by the bank, not the actual business.
Debenhams are their tenants.

[Kizzy]

As with most things in the UK they only have the image of being British, but they are quintessentially not.... Bit like the royals :hehe:
As a PLC it's not a solely UK concern nor do we own the infrastructure it is housed in.

What we are being sold is a facade of 'Britishness' that just does not exist.

[Sticks]

The Church of England didn't allow divorced people to marry in church in 1936, unlike now.

I think it might have been more than the church of England's rules about divorce's marrying back in 1936, although there was that issue with Princess Margaret and Group Captain Peter Townsend. In 1952 whereby the Church of England refused to countenance marriage to a divorced man.

According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_abdication_crisis) Simpson was perceived to be politically and socially unsuitable as a prospective queen consort because of her two failed marriages. It was widely assumed by the Establishment that she was driven by love of money or position rather than love for the King.

Meghan is divorced

There is an ex out there, so what kind of tabloid stories will surface from this ex? What kind of pictures are out there which could cause scandal and embarrassment to the Royal Family?

This is why, usual convention was that brides came from European royals as they would be drilled in the art of discretion and the avoidance of scandal

They tried bringing in two commoners, Diana and Sarah, and they were unmitigated disasters.

I still don't understand how Kate managed to get through, what were the courtiers thinking of, and around the time she was getting married I believe I also pointed that out, that bringing in commoners seldom worked!

For the moment with regards to Kate, they may have got lucky, but that was one large risk, especially with the Duke of Cambridge, the second in line to the throne.

Getting back to HRH Prince Harry, it seems incredulous, given what went before with Princess Margaret and Edward VIII that an American divorcee was allowed anywhere near him.

If we are to have this outdated and anachronistic system, then we should do it properly. There is still time for the old way of doing things to reassert itself, and for someone with less chance for scandal and political embarrassment to be substituted for this particular choice of bride.

[Niamh.]

Bringing commoners in lol

[Kizzy]

Wasn't the real reason he was made to abdicate because of his political leanings, we couldn't have a king who was siding with the enemy could we?

[Livia]

John Lewis is owned by the Chinese...And Debenhams in Leeds by an Islamic bank... Where is the inclusion of young British designers in these stores.. It might help for you to show me who the UK based designers are making UK produced clothes for the royals, I've looked but I don't see any.

She may have bought the dress herself, that wasn't my initial issue was it? I'm not policing anyone, just raising a philosophical argument surrounding the benefits of demonstrations of extreme wealth like this in the current economic climate for most in the UK.

Let's all dress in sack-cloth and be joyless because other people are richer than us.

Here's the thing: If you want a well-paid career you have to start early and plan. It's no good dicking around while you're at school, leaving with few qualifications, having a couple of kids, doing unskilled jobs, gain a degree in at forty and expect it to get you a job when there are women twenty years younger than you with the same degree... and then moan because you don't earn as much as other people. I barely looked up from my books until I was half way through uni; I missed out on a lot of stuff... but now, I have a great job, good salary, amazing benefits and enormous job satisfaction. And funnily enough I don't think the world owes me a living and I have no problem with people spending their own money however they want.

[Livia]

Wasn't the real reason he was made to abdicate because of his political leanings, we couldn't have a king who was siding with the enemy could we?

That's a very unusual slant. Most people believe it was because Wallace Simpson was a divorcee... but I'd be really interested to see your evidence.

[Sticks]

Wasn't the real reason he was made to abdicate because of his political leanings, we couldn't have a king who was siding with the enemy could we?

That was 1936 and the war was still in the future. At that time, Germany was not seen as an enemy, that came later after 1939 and the invasion of Poland.

[Kizzy]

Let's all dress in sack-cloth and be joyless because other people are richer than us.

Here's the thing: If you want a well-paid career you have to start early and plan. It's no good dicking around while you're at school, leaving with few qualifications, having a couple of kids, doing unskilled jobs, gain a degree in at forty and expect it to get you a job when there are women twenty years younger than you with the same degree... and then moan because you don't earn as much as other people. I barely looked up from my books until I was half way through uni; I missed out on a lot of stuff... but now, I have a great job, good salary, amazing benefits and enormous job satisfaction. And funnily enough I don't think the world owes me a living and I have no problem with people spending their own money however they want.

So your claims in relation to young British designers being supported in the stores you mentioned can't be backed up in fact?
I'm presuming that's what the mockery was for , as a distraction from the nonsense that was your earlier post?

Instead of sniping at my personal circumstances why not look at the bigger picture here, I'm not going to blow smoke up your arse Livia we have all heard tell of your scholarship to oxbridge... in reality who get's those privileges and in what capacity were you supported in facilitating that chance?

I know you would dearly love to think that it was ALL you but in fact there was a whole host of variables at play aside from your intellect, I'm not saying for a second anyone could have achieved what you have in fact the opposite your situation is as I'm sure you're aware phenomenally rare and getting rarer.
What are the life choices for intelligent children from working class backgrounds? they were never great and now they are terrible and getting worse.

The crux of this post is as flawed as the last, you infer that others on less don't have job satisfaction, or that they feel that 'the world' owes them something, making smug comments like this only serves to show you're complacent to those not as fortunate as yourself.

I'm I surprised? Not really. Did I expect you to understand my point in relation to this dress as a metaphor?... No.

[Kizzy]

That's a very unusual slant. Most people believe it was because Wallace Simpson was a divorcee... but I'd be really interested to see your evidence.

Google is your friend.

[Livia]

So your claims in relation to young British designers being supported in the stores you mentioned can't be backed up in fact?
I'm presuming that's what the mockery was for , as a distraction from the nonsense that was your earlier post?

Instead of sniping at my personal circumstances why not look at the bigger picture here, I'm not going to blow smoke up your arse Livia we have all heard tell of your scholarship to oxbridge... in reality who get's those privileges and in what capacity were you supported in facilitating that chance?

I know you would dearly love to think that it was ALL you but in fact there was a whole host of variables at play aside from your intellect, I'm not saying for a second anyone could have achieved what you have in fact the opposite your situation is as I'm sure you're aware phenomenally rare and getting rarer.
What are the life choices for intelligent children from working class backgrounds? they were never great and now they are terrible and getting worse.

The crux of this post is as flawed as the last, you infer that others on less don't have job satisfaction, or that they feel that 'the world' owes them something, making smug comments like this only serves to show you're complacent to those not as fortunate as yourself.

I'm I surprised? Not really. Did I expect you to understand my point in relation to this dress as a metaphor?... No.


I was an intelligent child from a working class background.

And please, don't feel you have to acknowledge the hard work and sacrifices I made to get to Cambridge, and the money it cost my working class parents. You just imagine that I slipped in quietly. I worked three jobs while I was at uni. And you know, I wasn't the only one. There were other people there who were from working class backgrounds and the one thing we all had in common was that we worked hard to get where we were.

Fortunate, yes... that's me. The harder I work the more fortunate I get. Funny how that works.

And Kizzy, I wasn't sniping and being personal. Everything I stated was a fact. When you first joined the forum you were unemployed, and you stayed unemployed for years. Is that not true? And now, after leaving school with not much, and after having a couple of kids and not doing your degree until you were older, you're dissatisfied with your job. And more, you think you can belittle my achievements by imagining I had some kind of fairy Godmother... but I didn't.

You have this whole "kill the rich" thing about your posts, because if someone's doing better than you then they MUST have had a hand up and a hand out. But you're wrong.

[Livia]

Google is your friend.

No... it's YOUR friend.

[Livia]

That was 1936 and the war was still in the future. At that time, Germany was not seen as an enemy, that came later after 1939 and the invasion of Poland.

Shush Sticks, Google told her.

[Kizzy]

I was an intelligent child from a working class background.

And please, don't feel you have to acknowledge the hard work and sacrifices I made to get to Cambridge, and the money it cost my working class parents. You just imagine that I slipped in quietly. I worked three jobs while I was at uni. And you know, I wasn't the only one. There were other people there who were from working class backgrounds and the one thing we all had in common was that we worked hard to get where we were.

Fortunate, yes... that's me. The harder I work the more fortunate I get. Funny how that works.

And Kizzy, I wasn't sniping and being personal. Everything I stated was a fact. When you first joined the forum you were unemployed, and you stayed unemployed for years. Is that not true? And now, after leaving school with not much, and after having a couple of kids and not doing your degree until you were older, you're dissatisfied with your job. And more, you think you can belittle my achievements by imagining I had some kind of fairy Godmother... but I didn't.

You have this whole "kill the rich" thing about your posts, because if someone's doing better than you then they MUST have had a hand up and a hand out. But you're wrong.

I made specific reference to those variables as well as directly suggesting you didn't achieve your goal on your merit alone Livia.
I'm dissatisfied with my salary, not my job... I haven't belittled your achievements at all, what I did was highlight how lucky you were even given your ability to succeed, there's a difference.

I don't have a 'kill the rich' thing :/ That is a gross misinterpretation!
All I have suggested is personally I don't feel that given the current economic climate for most in the UK wearing such an expensive gown was appropriate... That's it.

I don't have any ill will towards her or anyone else it was just that one instance and my own personal reaction to it, your analysis is unwarranted and baseless much like your previous posts in this thread.

[Kizzy]

Shush Sticks, Google told her.

Mock all you like Livia.

[Livia]

I made specific reference to those variables as well as directly suggesting you didn't achieve your goal on your merit alone Livia.
I'm dissatisfied with my salary, not my job... I haven't belittled your achievements at all, what I did was highlight how lucky you were even given your ability to succeed, there's a difference.

I don't have a 'kill the rich' thing :/ That is a gross misinterpretation!
All I have suggested is personally I don't feel that given the current economic climate for most in the UK wearing such an expensive gown was appropriate... That's it.

I don't have any ill will towards her or anyone else it was just that one instance and my own personal reaction to it, your analysis is unwarranted and baseless much like your previous posts in this thread.

The second highlighted comment applies to the first highlighted comment. Anyhoo... back on topic...

[Kizzy]

The second highlighted comment applies to the first highlighted comment. Anyhoo... back on topic...

Yes get your last snipe in Liv.

[bots]

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/18634/production/_99529899_hi043938535.jpg

Ms Markle wore a Marks & Spencer sweatshirt to the royal engagement in Brixton

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42619509

:fan:

[Kizzy]

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/18634/production/_99529899_hi043938535.jpg

Ms Markle wore a Marks & Spencer sweatshirt to the royal engagement in Brixton

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42619509

:fan:

Aw why not wear the 56k dress for a toby round Brixton? To talk about the rise in knife crime.. That was the focus of the article wasn't it? Not megs jumper...

[Livia]

She's damned if she does and she's damned if she doesn't.

[Sticks]

What she wears for me is irrelevant to my earlier arguments over her lack of suitability for marrying a member of the Royal Family.

[Kizzy]

She's damned if she does and she's damned if she doesn't.

She's not damned either way, it's just a very striking contrast is all, there's noting wrong with highlighting that.

[Maru]

I love the title of this thread

[Livia]

She's not damned either way, it's just a very striking contrast is all, there's noting wrong with highlighting that.

This post sounds quite reasonable if it had been your only post on this thread.

[Kizzy]

This post sounds quite reasonable if it had been your only post on this thread.

Well luckily for you nobody is charging round the forum assessing the merit of each post.

[Cherie]

I couldn't be less interested, just another parasite.

Just for you though

[Kizzy]

Let's all dress in sack-cloth and be joyless because other people are richer than us.

Here's the thing: If you want a well-paid career you have to start early and plan. It's no good dicking around while you're at school, leaving with few qualifications, having a couple of kids, doing unskilled jobs, gain a degree in at forty and expect it to get you a job when there are women twenty years younger than you with the same degree... and then moan because you don't earn as much as other people. I barely looked up from my books until I was half way through uni; I missed out on a lot of stuff... but now, I have a great job, good salary, amazing benefits and enormous job satisfaction. And funnily enough I don't think the world owes me a living and I have no problem with people spending their own money however they want.

I don't begrudge anyone... not sure how you arrived at that from what I posted either.

Yes I did go into education late but that was for me, and my self esteem rather than financial gain. I'm sorry you missed out on so much, you're not bitter though, are you.

Read today how you have an issue with an actress designing clothes and how you won't buy them, whereas I have no such qualms with her career decision or the fact that's how she chooses to make money for her family.

Maybe you should apply the same principls to how people make money as you do to how they spend it?

[Kizzy]

Just for you though

Ive just addressed this for you on another thread cherie... :/

[Kizzy]

Well luckily for you nobody is charging round the forum assessing the merit of each post.

Just for you Niamh :hee:

[Marsh.]

She's damned if she does and she's damned if she doesn't.

She certainly is. :smug: