UK-woman threatened with deportation after living and working here for 50 years

[DemolitionRed]

Paulette Wilson moved to the UK in 1968, and worked and raised her daughter here. Recently she was suddenly taken to Yarl’s Wood detention centre and almost forced on to a plane to Jamaica. She was asked for papers to prove she had a right to be here, yet in 1968 it was quite legal for her to come here from Jamaica, in fact, we invited people from the West Indies to our country to do the jobs we wouldn't do. Now rules about immigration entry are being applied retrospectively and the UKBA feel vindicated about putting a woman in her 60s into prison for working here for 34 odd years?

"Paulette Wilson had been in Britain for 50 years when she received a letter informing her that she was an illegal immigrant and was going to be removed and sent back to Jamaica, the country she left when she was 10 and has never visited since.

"Last month, she spent a week at Yarl’s Wood detention centre before being sent to the immigration removal centre at Heathrow, where detainees are taken just before they are flown out of the country. It was only a last-minute intervention from her MP and a local charity that prevented a forced removal. She has since been allowed to return home, but will have to report again to the Home Office in early December and is still worried about the possibility of renewed attempts to remove her.

"The experience of being detained and threatened with deportation to a country she has no links with has been profoundly upsetting for Paulette, a grandmother and former cook, who has paid national insurance contributions for 34 years and can prove a long history of working and paying taxes in this country.

"Paulette, 61, arrived in the UK in 1968, went to primary and secondary school in Britain, raised her daughter, Natalie, here and has helped to bring up her granddaughter. For a while, she worked in the House of Commons restaurant overlooking the Thames, serving meals to MPs and parliamentary security staff. More recently, she has volunteered at her local church, making weekly meals for homeless people.

"She has been left furious and distraught by this sudden Home Office decision to categorise her as an illegal immigrant. The week of detention in Yarl’s Wood was the worst experience of her life."

Welcome to the New England.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/28/i-cant-eat-or-sleep-the-grandmother-threatened-with-deportation-after-50-years-in-britain

[Eddie.]

how bad of them to do that! makes me sick in the stomach!

[The Slim Reaper]

She had a good run while it lasted.

[smudgie]

Horrendous:fist:
If she has been living here since childhood and contributing to society then this is really poor behaviour of the authorities.
Hopefully common sense will prevail and she will be told she is welcome here, as soon as possible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is wrong with Jamaica all of a sudden?

[The Slim Reaper]

What is wrong with Jamaica all of a sudden?

Did she leave the UK of her own free will or did Jamaica?

[Crimson Dynamo]

im sure there is a bit more to this "story"

[DemolitionRed]

im sure there is a bit more to this "story"

Oh I'm sure you believe that LT

[Northern Monkey]

I would think that this is some kind of administration error.Sometimes when technology is involved stupid stuff happens.Computers don’t do common sense.
I’m all for strict immigration and sending illegals back but not for somebody who came legally that long ago and built a life.
Anybody who came here legally should still be considered legal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

In a statement, the Home Office said there had been on-going discussions with Ms Wilson over the past three years about how she could regularise her immigration status, including contact with her MP.

"These discussions did not lead to her making an application or providing the necessary evidence to show a lawful right to remain.

"However Ms Wilson has now submitted an application last month and we are looking into her case to help regularise her immigration status."

source BBC


So nothing much to see here

[Northern Monkey]

What is wrong with Jamaica all of a sudden?

Never been but i watched a series once called Jamaica ER.It was a hospital in Kingston i think.
Put me off going to Jamaica that’s for sure.
Queues of gunshot injuries.One guy had to get his head drilled into without being put to sleep.

[DemolitionRed]

In a statement, the Home Office said there had been on-going discussions with Ms Wilson over the past three years about how she could regularise her immigration status, including contact with her MP.

"These discussions did not lead to her making an application or providing the necessary evidence to show a lawful right to remain.

"However Ms Wilson has now submitted an application last month and we are looking into her case to help regularise her immigration status."

source BBC


So nothing much to see here

Oh I think there's a lot to see here. How many people has this happened or is happening to? Not everyone has the audacity to go to the papers.

[Kizzy]

Old? Mentally ill? disabled? homeless? poor?..... leave or die please.

[Oliver_W]

Oh I think there's a lot to see here. How many people has this happened or is happening to?

I guess it depends on how many other people don't bother to make an application or provide evidence for years on end.

[DemolitionRed]

I guess it depends on how many other people don't bother to make an application or provide evidence for years on end.

I know in your world everything seems simple and when people lose out or nearly get deported, its simply because they didn't bother to do their due diligence. What a selfish thought :shrug: Maybe she's like 8 million other Brits who can't read or write?

[Oliver_W]

I know in your world everything seems simple and when people lose out or nearly get deported, its simply because they didn't bother to do their due diligence. What a selfish thought :shrug: Maybe she's like 8 million other Brits who can't read or write?

Discussions were going on for more than long enough for her to say "I can't read or write btw."

[Cherie]

I know in your world everything seems simple and when people lose out or nearly get deported, its simply because they didn't bother to do their due diligence. What a selfish thought :shrug: Maybe she's like 8 million other Brits who can't read or write?

But in your world everyone needs everything done for them, there seems to be no personal responsibility, it says she has kids so maybe they could have assisted her if she was unable to read her write, she helps out in the church could she not have asked one of them. I doubt she will miss out on her free bus pass or OAP when it comes due, I don't agree with what was done here and personally think it is terrible that someone who has been here for 50 years would be treated in this way, someone along the way let the computer do the thinking and commonsense went out the window, just another person in the public sector who couldn't be arsed to do their job properly.

[Kizzy]

But in your world everyone needs everything done for them, there seems to be no personal responsibility, it says she has kids so maybe they could have assisted her if she was unable to read her write, she helps out in the church could she not have asked one of them. I doubt she will miss out on her free bus pass or OAP when it comes due, I don't agree with what was done here and personally think it is terrible that someone who has been here for 50 years would be treated in this way, someone along the way let the computer do the thinking and commonsense went out the window, just another person in the public sector who couldn't be arsed to do their job properly.

Wait a minute she has lived and worked here for 50yrs and only after paying in and she's due her pension they say she can't be here?...

Do you think that the private sector could run anything better... Give me one example of where that has actually happened, just one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

such a non story

honestly no wonder the Guardian is on its arse

[DemolitionRed]

But in your world everyone needs everything done for them, there seems to be no personal responsibility, it says she has kids so maybe they could have assisted her if she was unable to read her write, she helps out in the church could she not have asked one of them. I doubt she will miss out on her free bus pass or OAP when it comes due, I don't agree with what was done here and personally think it is terrible that someone who has been here for 50 years would be treated in this way, someone along the way let the computer do the thinking and commonsense went out the window, just another person in the public sector who couldn't be arsed to do their job properly.

Not at all, I raised my kids to be independent and take responsibility for their own actions but I also raised them with the understanding that empathy and kindness costs nothing.

One in five adults in the UK can't read or write. One in twenty adults in the UK can only read and write up to a 5 year olds standard. Most adults who can't read or write live in shame and rarely ask for help.

We don't know if she had reading or writing problems. Perhaps she did just ignore the letters; perhaps she was more than capable of reading those letters or filling in those application forms but didn't bother. We don't know but because we don't know, we shouldn't presume that she and others just 'can't be bothered'.

[The Slim Reaper]

Not at all, I raised my kids to be independent and take responsibility for their own actions but I also raised them with the understanding that empathy and kindness costs nothing.

One in five adults in the UK can't read or write. One in twenty adults in the UK can only read and write up to a 5 year olds standard. Most adults who can't read or write live in shame and rarely ask for help.

We don't know if she had reading or writing problems. Perhaps she did just ignore the letters; perhaps she was more than capable of reading those letters or filling in those application forms but didn't bother. We don't know but because we don't know, we shouldn't presume that she and others just 'can't be bothered'.

Losers. I was writing to a 5 year olds standard by the time I was 20. You dont see me bragging about it.

[Oliver_W]

such a non story

honestly no wonder the Guardian is on its arse

LT you don't understand. The evil racist government wants to fling her from the country so they don't have to pay her pension - the fact she didn't do her paperwork to stay here is just a coincidence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not at all, I raised my kids to be independent and take responsibility for their own actions but I also raised them with the understanding that empathy and kindness costs nothing.

One in five adults in the UK can't read or write. One in twenty adults in the UK can only read and write up to a 5 year olds standard. Most adults who can't read or write live in shame and rarely ask for help.

We don't know if she had reading or writing problems. Perhaps she did just ignore the letters; perhaps she was more than capable of reading those letters or filling in those application forms but didn't bother. We don't know but because we don't know, we shouldn't presume that she and others just 'can't be bothered'.

they still manage to get the lottery on tho I bet


:idc:

[Nicky91]

such a non story

honestly no wonder the Guardian is on its arse

mocking the gossip tabloids now are we, they are just providing us with news, without the tabloids we would know nothing ;)

[Cherie]

Wait a minute she has lived and worked here for 50yrs and only after paying in and she's due her pension they say she can't be here?...

Do you think that the private sector could run anything better... Give me one example of where that has actually happened, just one.

Personal responsibility in that she had been asked to make an application and she didn't despite 3 years of consultation

I never claimed the private sector could do it any better, but this Department is run by the public sector

[Crimson Dynamo]

mocking the gossip tabloids now are we, they are just providing us with news, without the tabloids we would know nothing ;)


:facepalm:

please stop

[Kizzy]

Personal responsibility in that she had been asked to make an application and she didn't despite 3 years of consultation

I never claimed the private sector could do it any better, but this Department is run by the public sector

Like any department they are run to 'targets' they'll have a quota to get rid off.. cherry picking the old and vulnerable will be easy pickings.

And so to it would be easy for the department to trace this woman via, health, tax, welfare, council records, schools, they just choose not to, or rather they are tasked with so many decisions to be made per day they don't have the time to aid her.
She is just 1 of 100 decisions made a day...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/29/brexit-caseworkers-100-residency-decisions-a-day-home-office

[Cherie]

Like any department they are run to 'targets' they'll have a quota to get rid off.. cherry picking the old and vulnerable will be easy pickings.

And so to it would be easy for the department to trace this woman via, health, tax, welfare, council records, schools, they just choose not to, or rather they are tasked with so many decisions to be made per day they don't have the time to aid her.
She is just 1 of 100 decisions made a day...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/29/brexit-caseworkers-100-residency-decisions-a-day-home-office

They wasted 3 years in consultation,this started long before Brexit, that doesn't sound like they were railroading her out of the country, she would still be entitled to a full pension even if she was in Jamaica given she has paid over 35 years of NI , it's basically comes down to someone not applying common sense

[Kizzy]

They wasted 3 years in consultation,this started long before Brexit, that doesn't sound like they were railroading her out of the country, she would still be entitled to a full pension even if she was in Jamaica given she has paid over 35 years of NI , it's basically comes down to someone not applying common sense

It states she stuck her head in the sand about it, that said even when she did ask for help and advice what good was it?
Far from accessing paper trails, data or records she was sent to a detention centre... :/ How?

[Cherie]

It states she stuck her head in the sand about it, that said even when she did ask for help and advice what good was it?
Far from accessing paper trails, data or records she was sent to a detention centre... :/ How?

Which brings us neatly back to she didn't fill in the ridiculous paperwork needed, and the jobsworth looking after her case for 3 years didn't care enough to do anything about it apart from agree that computer says no, and waste taxpayer money getting her detained

[DemolitionRed]

they still manage to get the lottery on tho I bet


:idc:

Do you have to fill in an application form to buy a lottery ticket :conf:

[Kizzy]

Which brings us neatly back to she didn't fill in the ridiculous paperwork needed, and the jobsworth looking after her case for 3 years didn't care enough to do anything about it apart from agree that computer says no, and waste taxpayer money getting her detained

And this guy... and all the people he knows that it's happening to?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/01/man-detained-threatened-with-removal-after-52-years-in-the-uk

[Cherie]

And this guy... and all the people he knows that it's happening to?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/01/man-detained-threatened-with-removal-after-52-years-in-the-uk

now you are moving the goalposts as we were discussing the OP?

if you want a discussion about the new guy "threatened" with removal, then please say so after you have finished with what we were previously discussing.

[Kizzy]

now you are moving the goalposts as we were discussing the OP?

if you want a discussion about the new guy "threatened" with removal, then please say so after you have finished with what we were previously discussing.

It's exactly the same issue, sorry if it throws your theory of the lady just being a bit dumb or it being an administrative error out the window.

[Cherie]

It's exactly the same issue, sorry if it throws your theory of the lady just being a bit dumb or it being an administrative error out the window.

on the contrary it totally reinforces my point that admin are completely incompetent, have either of these people been forced to leave the country..err...no ..what does that tell you, that people in post are incompetent and are far from being passionate about their jobs as you claim, and on top of that are not bothered in the least about wasting public money. :/

and I never once claimed admin ERROR! Or that the lady was dumb!

[Kizzy]

on the contrary it totally reinforces my point that admin are completely incompetent, have either of these people been forced to leave the country..err...no ..what does that tell you, that people in post are incompetent and are far from being passionate about their jobs as you claim, and on top of that are not bothered in the least about wasting public money. :/

and I never once claimed admin ERROR!

No it really doesn't it reinforces my theory that this is nothing but an exercise to remove 'undesirables' regardless of how long they have been resident in this country.

I don't believe that there is any incompetence, in actuality they are doing their job perfectly, I'm certain that this action is their brief.

[Cherie]

No it really doesn't it reinforces my theory that this is nothing but an exercise to remove 'undesirables' regardless of how long they have been resident in this country.

I don't believe that there is any incompetence, in actuality they are doing their job perfectly, I'm certain that this action is their brief.

They are doing their job perfectly? Neither of these two should have been in the system in the first place. All that time wasted and where are they ....here! If that is your idea of a job done perfectly I really do give up !!! And if as you say they are being briefed to get people out of the country who can legally be here and can't be removed and even if they were removed would still be entitled to benefits/pensions it beggars belief and really stretches the imagination

And finally why are either of these people undesirable in you opinion

[Kizzy]

They are doing their job perfectly? Neither of these two should have been in the system in the first place. All that time wasted and where are they ....here! If that is your idea of a job done perfectly I really do give up !!! And if as you say they are being briefed to get people out of the country who can legally be here and can't be removed and even if they were removed would still be entitled to benefits/pensions it beggars belief and really stretches the imagination

And finally why are either of these people undesirable in you opinion

As I said they are easy pickings for the 100 a day target.

I'm not asking you to agree with me but that's how I see this issue with these cases of people from commonwealth countries who entered as kids and can't prove they were here prior to the 70s having little or no paperwork as evidence.

I don't see why it's so much of a stretch when you've heard of people sitting work capability assessments, being found fit for work and dying the same week!
I've specified who the undesirables are earlier in the thread candy, keep up.

[Brillopad]

Not at all, I raised my kids to be independent and take responsibility for their own actions but I also raised them with the understanding that empathy and kindness costs nothing.

One in five adults in the UK can't read or write. One in twenty adults in the UK can only read and write up to a 5 year olds standard. Most adults who can't read or write live in shame and rarely ask for help.

We don't know if she had reading or writing problems. Perhaps she did just ignore the letters; perhaps she was more than capable of reading those letters or filling in those application forms but didn't bother. We don't know but because we don't know, we shouldn't presume that she and others just 'can't be bothered'.

How many of those 1in 5 came here and didn’t bother to learn the language of the country they chose to live in. If you can’t speak it you can’t read it either. That is on those people not the country.

[Tom4784]

It's quite ridiculous considering that her family brought her to the UK as a result of an immigration drive. To send someone back to a country they do not know is cruel and nonsensical when they've lived in and contributed to the UK for fifty years.

It reminds me of the struggle the Dreamers in the US are going through, to go after people who were essentially raised in a country and for all intents and purpose ARE British/American is a malicious way of trying to achieve targets.

[Tom4784]

How many of those 1in 5 came here and didn’t bother to learn the language of the country they chose to live in. If you can’t speak it you can’t read it either. That is on those people not the country.

Not 1 in 5 immigrants, 1 in 5 of all citizenship in the UK. Does your lack of empathy extend to them too or is it just the immigrants you are spewing hate at?

[bots]

Anomalies do happen in a country of millions of people. The question surely is whether its a common event, and I would expect the answer to be no. Therefore, the immigration department should do the right thing and grant this person legal right to stay. It's an exceptional circumstance and should be treated as such. It really doesn't even warrant a news story to be honest.

On the subject of whether she was remise in completing her documentation, there are a hundred potential reasons for it, all valid, and to suggest she is to blame is yet another form of victim blaming.

[Cherie]

As I said they are easy pickings for the 100 a day target.

I'm not asking you to agree with me but that's how I see this issue with these cases of people from commonwealth countries who entered as kids and can't prove they were here prior to the 70s having little or no paperwork as evidence.

I don't see why it's so much of a stretch when you've heard of people sitting work capability assessments, being found fit for work and dying the same week!
I've specified who the undesirables are earlier in the thread candy, keep up.

The 100 day target in your link referred to EU citizens unless Jamaica has moved

and this pair don't seem to fall into what your opinion of being an undesirable is, so hence I asked the question Teresa

[DemolitionRed]

And this guy... and all the people he knows that it's happening to?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/01/man-detained-threatened-with-removal-after-52-years-in-the-uk

Bryan’s situation is compounded by the fact that he has struggled with reading all his life, and has avoided form-filling. “It’s a stigma. It’s hard to tell people that you need help,” he said. As a result, he has very few documents. He has avoided registering with a GP for that reason, and never opened a bank account, initially receiving his wage packet in cash (with tax deductions already made) and latterly having money paid into his partner’s account.

[DemolitionRed]

How many of those 1in 5 came here and didn’t bother to learn the language of the country they chose to live in. If you can’t speak it you can’t read it either. That is on those people not the country.

Well these two obviously speak English! Jamaicans generally speak 'Jamaican English'

[Cherie]

Bryan’s situation is compounded by the fact that he has struggled with reading all his life, and has avoided form-filling. “It’s a stigma. It’s hard to tell people that you need help,” he said. As a result, he has very few documents. He has avoided registering with a GP for that reason, and never opened a bank account, initially receiving his wage packet in cash (with tax deductions already made) and latterly having money paid into his partner’s account.

He trusts his partner enough to pay his wages into his/her account but won't ask them for help with filling out an important form?

[Cherie]

Anomalies do happen in a country of millions of people. The question surely is whether its a common event, and I would expect the answer to be no. Therefore, the immigration department should do the right thing and grant this person legal right to stay. It's an exceptional circumstance and should be treated as such. It really doesn't even warrant a news story to be honest.

On the subject of whether she was remise in completing her documentation, there are a hundred potential reasons for it, all valid, and to suggest she is to blame is yet another form of victim blaming.

I don't think it is victim blaming, we have a Spanish bank account and every now and again we get a letter that is beyond our pidgeon Spanish abilities so we get it read by a Spanish speaker in case they want to freeze our account which they do for non nationals on a regular basis if you don't supply regular ID checks, its down to us to get it sorted and not to ignore it and yes it is ridiculous considering we only pay the bare minimum into the account every year but it's the law of the land so we have to get on with it

[Brillopad]

Not 1 in 5 immigrants, 1 in 5 of all citizenship in the UK. Does your lack of empathy extend to them too or is it just the immigrants you are spewing hate at?

I am talking of 1 in 5 of all that live here. Likelihood is that a fair number of those that can’t read are those that came here but didn’t bother to integrate and learn the language/read. You call it hate I call it pointing out the facts. :bored:

[Brillopad]

I don't think it is victim blaming, we have a Spanish bank account and every now and again we get a letter that is beyond our pidgeon Spanish abilities so we get it read by a Spanish speaker in case they want to freeze our account which they do for non nationals on a regular basis if you don't supply regular ID checks, its down to us to get it sorted and not to ignore it and yes it is ridiculous considering we only pay the bare minimum into the account every year but it's the law of the land so we have to get on with it

Personal accountability. If staying in the country was inportant enough to her you would have thought she would have found the time to make sure she completed the necessary paperwork. She did have 50 years to do so.

If I were emigrating to Australia for instance I would make sure I had dotted every i and crossed every t to ensure no one could kick me out.

[bots]

If I were emigrating to Australia for instance I would make sure I had dotted every i and crossed every t to ensure no one could kick me out.

50 years after you had moved there, really? I don't think anyone would after that length of time

One needs to remember the status 50 years ago, which I actually do. People were welcomed with open arms, got jobs, did great work, contributed to our economy. To then move the goalposts on what and what is not correct in terms of documentation 40+ years later is beyond the majority of peoples comprehension.

[Brillopad]

50 years after you had moved there, really? I don't think anyone would after that length of time

One needs to remember the status 50 years ago, which I actually do. People were welcomed with open arms, got jobs, did great work, contributed to our economy. To then move the goalposts on what and what is not correct in terms of documentation 40+ years later is beyond the majority of peoples comprehension.

Whatever the wrongs/inadequacies of the system she could of prevented this happening by simply filling in the forms.

For something so important not to do so is unbelievably stupid and inexcusable in my book. At the end of the day she has personal accountability for her actions or lack of them.

[DemolitionRed]

Personal accountability. If staying in the country was inportant enough to her you would have thought she would have found the time to make sure she completed the necessary paperwork. She did have 50 years to do so.

If I were emigrating to Australia for instance I would make sure I had dotted every i and crossed every t to ensure no one could kick me out.

She didn't have 50 years. She was given a short period of time to fill out an 85 page confusing document.

She was here on the belief (a correct belief for some years) that she had a right to reside and work in the uk because she was born in a British colony. Even though she was born in Jamaica, she was born a British citizen and therefore had a right to enter, work and settle here. She probably wasn't even aware that she was no longer a British citizen!

In the 80s Jamaicans had to apply to remain in the UK but even if she had applied and been granted indefinite leave to remain, the records of these applicants were only kept for 15 years. How many West Indians are aware about this home office organisational chaos and incompetence?

[DemolitionRed]

Whatever the wrongs/inadequacies of the system she could of prevented this happening by simply filling in the forms.

For something so important not to do so is unbelievably stupid and inexcusable in my book. At the end of the day she has personal accountability for her actions or lack of them.

What's your motto in life Brillo? Does it go something like, "If we find others in need we should always assume that the situation is their own doing."

[Brillopad]

What's your motto in life Brillo? Does it go something like, "If we find others in need we should always assume that the situation is their own doing."

Why was she in need then - other than by her own inaction. She grew up here and was educated here so had no valid reason for not being able to fill in the forms.

Sounds like she simply couldn’t be bothered or was perhaps trying to prove some kind of point. If it was the latter was it really worth the risk to her future here!

What is your motto then ‘always try to excuse the inexcusable especially if it involves immigrants’.

[DemolitionRed]

Why was she in need then - other than by her own inaction. She grew up here and was educated here so had no valid reason for not being able to fill in the forms.

Sounds like she simply couldn’t be bothered or was perhaps trying to prove some kind of point. If it was the latter was it really worth the risk to her future here!

What is your motto then ‘always try to excuse the inexcusable especially if it involves immigrants’.

That's a judgmental assumption, nothing more.

[Brillopad]

That's a judgmental assumption, nothing more.

No more so than yours.

[DemolitionRed]

I made no assumptions. I clearly stated that what I said were mere possibilities.

You said, "No valid reason" without knowing if she had 'no valid reason'.

[Brillopad]

I made no assumptions. I clearly stated that what I said were mere possibilities.

You said, "No valid reason" without knowing if she had 'no valid reason'.

You assumed she was in need. If she was educated here that doesn’t make much sense if all that was required was to fill in some forms.

[jaxie]

If she can't read and write but managed to get her MP involved then it doesn't sound like she is without help. It sounds like she simply didn't do her paperwork. We all have to meet the criteria and do the paperwork. I have a family member engaged to someone in another country and they miss each other terribly but unfortunately have to follow the rules and process which they are doing, like everyone else. Personally I think immigration are a bit heavy handed but we all have to follow the rules.

I bet Prince Harry isn't having the kind of problems my family member has had.

[Kizzy]

The 100 day target in your link referred to EU citizens unless Jamaica has moved

and this pair don't seem to fall into what your opinion of being an undesirable is, so hence I asked the question Teresa

It's not just the EU it's non EU, 'new' commonwealth, commonwealth also

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9417867/Commonwealth-soldiers-face-deportation.html

http://www.voice-online.co.uk/article/immigration-policy-unfairly-targeting-commonwealth

These people are old, at or approaching retirement age. past their usefulness....undesirable.

[DemolitionRed]

Thanks for the links Kizzy.
Its interesting that even UKIP are disgusted with the way Caribbean's in this country are being treated by The Home Office.

[user104658]

Thanks for the links Kizzy.
Its interesting that even UKIP are disgusted with the way Caribbean's in this country are being treated by The Home Office.

UKIP are essentially stuck in the 60's or thereabouts and a lot of Caribbean immigration took place in the post-war period between 1950 and 1970... so they're the "OK" sort of immigrants by UKIP standards. They still count as "British". Anything that happened after around 1980 is the bad, wrong sort of immigration.

[Kizzy]

The tories are stuck in colonial times fetching over 'workers' when needed and colonising the commonwealth with our white orphans for the last 100yrs or so. Ukip served their purpose of splitting the vote and splintering Europe that was their aim as directed by their overlords the conservatives.

[Oliver_W]

She didn't have 50 years. She was given a short period of time to fill out an 85 page confusing document.
If discussions were going on for three years, she didn't have a short time.

[Kizzy]

It would be interesting to know if this is only happening in the capital.

[Brillopad]

It would be interesting to know if this is only happening in the capital.

If what is only happening in the capital - people not bothering to fill in the paperwork to ensure their citizenship in is line with current day requirements and protect their legal standing.