Damian Green's Porn Collection

[bots]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42151148

The rumblings about his porn collection continue to roll but to me this is a lot more complex than is being portrayed.

First off, I should clarify that i am a right leaning voter, however Mr Green is my MP and I can't stand the man personally.

2 ex police have now come out and said he had loads of porn downloaded on his computer, and while this may be the case, both have stated categorically that there was nothing illegal in it, so, why, one asks, do they feel the need to make unauthorised statements on it, after they have left the force, it wasn't illegal, and therefore was not a police matter. Its clearly meant as a smear campaign.

However, I have been with companies where if they downloaded any porn whatsoever on a company computer it was an instant dismissal, and I saw it enforced many times. But, it wasn't so much because they were downloading porn, it was because the sources of that porn were havens for viruses, trojans etc that put the companies security at risk.

With Mr Green being in a position where he is likely to have been in possession of very sensitive information, it is a matter of gross misconduct to me, and he should be given the boot, and the same should apply to anyone else found to have been doing the same.

[DemolitionRed]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42151148

The rumblings about his porn collection continue to roll but to me this is a lot more complex than is being portrayed.

First off, I should clarify that i am a right leaning voter, however Mr Green is my MP and I can't stand the man personally.

2 ex police have now come out and said he had loads of porn downloaded on his computer, and while this may be the case, both have stated categorically that there was nothing illegal in it, so, why, one asks, do they feel the need to make unauthorised statements on it, after they have left the force, it wasn't illegal, and therefore was not a police matter. Its clearly meant as a smear campaign.

However, I have been with companies where if they downloaded any porn whatsoever on a company computer it was an instant dismissal, and I saw it enforced many times. But, it wasn't so much because they were downloading porn, it was because the sources of that porn were havens for viruses, trojans etc that put the companies security at risk.

With Mr Green being in a position where he is likely to have been in possession of very sensitive information, it is a matter of gross misconduct to me, and he should be given the boot, and the same should apply to anyone else found to have been doing the same.

I agree with the points you've made. What he did in his own time, so long as its legal, which it is/was isn't anyone's business. What he does in company time is a different matter. Touring porn sites carries a high risk of downloading malicious software. He even risked being blackmailed and all that on a government computer!!
Regardless of what he was looking at, he used company time and therefore company money to get his thrills. That, by most companies, would be considered theft.

[Kizzy]

Didn't you know the teflon tories slip out of anything?...

On the note in the articlei it's interesting that they are wanting the names of all the journalists involved in the reporting of this :/

[Northern Monkey]

If it was legal stuff then I don’t see the problem.It does seem like some kind of attempt to smear him.Have these ex police been paid by someone?
It seems to me that there are people around Westminster who are using this sex allegation thing to try and take down as many of the government as possible.Or just certain people.

[DemolitionRed]

If it was legal stuff then I don’t see the problem.It does seem like some kind of attempt to smear him.Have these ex police been paid by someone?
It seems to me that there are people around Westminster who are using this sex allegation thing to try and take down as many of the government as possible.Or just certain people.

No sorry, he deserves to be smeared. He was caught with his pants down whilst ja**ing off in a parliamentary office.

I personally don't believe he deserves to lose his position but 'we' the people who employ him, deserve to know he's been a dirty boy.

[The Slim Reaper]

If a guy can't get jiggy with himself during the course of the working day, then what is the world coming to?

Do you, Damian.

[Kizzy]

Ask yourself why was the comp siezed initially?...

Before they even found porn on it, was that a smear...his guy is up to his neck in it already with a direct accusation of harassment remember?

He is bolstered by Andrew Mitchell does he have an axe to grind with the police?

[Northern Monkey]

No sorry, he deserves to be smeared. He was caught with his pants down whilst ja**ing off in a parliamentary office.

I personally don't believe he deserves to lose his position but 'we' the people who employ him, deserve to know he's been a dirty boy.

:joker:

I didn’t know that.He Possibly deserved to lose his job when he was caught sticky handed if that’s the case.

This coming out now though when he’s in government seems very dodgy to me when this was around 2008 wasn’t it?
And what are police doing talking in public about investigations.Specially since he was found to be not doing anything illegal.What’s their political motive?

[The Slim Reaper]

Find you someone prepared to get up to their necks in it.

[smudgie]

No sorry, he deserves to be smeared. He was caught with his pants down whilst ja**ing off in a parliamentary office.

I personally don't believe he deserves to lose his position but 'we' the people who employ him, deserve to know he's been a dirty boy.

Was he actually caught doing what you refer to, or is that imagination working overtime?:joker:
If he was caught in the act then fair enough, reprimand him.
I would be interested to know how many people worked in the office at the time, if it was possible anyone else had the ability to thumbnail/visit porn sites.
If he has not broken any laws and it was low key porn I don't see the reason to sack him.:shrug:

[arista]

From 2008, New Labour were in power then.
The Police seem to not be sure.

Ref D.P. BBC2HD

[Kazanne]

He is over 18 and although it's frowned upon by some he has done nothing wrong and nothing millions of others dont do, I don't see the story here really.He might be deemed a dirty old bastard but seems he is a legal one.

[Kizzy]

And the unsecure connections involved? to a device with sensitive information?

Seems davis is getting jittery... good two flying monkeys with one stone, get gone!

David Davis has come to the defence of Damian Green, indicating that he might resign if the first secretary of state were forced to quit as a result of the Cabinet Office investigation into inappropriate behaviour.

The Brexit secretary believes his cabinet colleague is the victim of a police vendetta and has made it clear to Theresa May that he would be willing to leave the government if he felt Green had been unfairly treated.

The threat emerged only hours after a former Metropolitan police detective came forward with fresh claims implying that Green himself had been viewing pornography found on his workplace computer when police raided his Commons office in November 2008.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/01/david-davis-threatens-to-quit-if-damian-green-sacked-unfairly

[Oliver_W]

Usually when people get fired for downloading porn at work, it's not "we are morally against porn, therefore you are fired", it's "a lot of these websites can give the computer an STD viruses which can compromise information or ransomware, you have put confidential details and a company asset in danger, therefore you are fired."

I'm not certain, but I would guess that an MP would have resources to access blue websites which have no danger or malware, or possibly have ways to bypass the dangers these might have. I would bet at the very least, there's something to this end a parliamentary computer would have that the average office computer wouldn't.

[Kizzy]

Usually when people get fired for downloading porn at work, it's not "we are morally against porn, therefore you are fired", it's "a lot of these websites can give the computer an STD viruses which can compromise information or ransomware, you have put confidential details and a company asset in danger, therefore you are fired."

I'm not certain, but I would guess that an MP would have resources to access blue websites which have no danger or malware, or possibly have ways to bypass the dangers these might have. I would bet at the very least, there's something to this end a parliamentary computer would have that the average office computer wouldn't.

:joker::joker: he's not bloody james bond it was a dell laptop from 2008.

[Oliver_W]

:joker::joker: he's not bloody james bond it was a dell laptop from 2008.

Well, sure. But that doesn't mean he couldn't have special software, or (ahem) backdoors into websites.

[Kizzy]

Ah, that's why he's worried, he's up to his neck in it...

'Christopher Galley had approached Green’s then boss, David Davis, who was the shadow home secretary, saying he was a committed Conservative and was willing to leak material.

Davis introduced Galley, who was then working in immigration, to Green, who was the Tory immigration spokesman. Galley, later on in a police interview, said he had wanted a “parliamentary job” with the Tories. Green repeatedly promised to “try to find something” but said “he wanted as much information as possible to damage them”, Galley said.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/01/damian-green-decade-long-feud-met-officer-bob-quick

[joeysteele]

It is stated it is legal the content he had.

What I find odd is it is on a computer at his place of work stored on his log in details.
What concerns me is he states he did not download and store it, so who did.

Who else would have access to his work related comp and his access details.
These are questions he should answer and if he cannot and does not know,that should worry him as much as anyone.

I have little time for him really but this in itself is likely nothing he legally needs to worry about.
Morally however,considering his high status in govt at this time,in light of the other issues being looked into concerning him too, what he has stored may become indicative of his 'thinking and other dubious actions'.

If anything of substance as to allegations are found to have foundation.

[michael21]

He is over 18 and although it's frowned upon by some he has done nothing wrong and nothing millions of others dont do, I don't see the story here really.He might be deemed a dirty old bastard but seems he is a legal one.

I don't know the full story but did the police raid his office and then found the porn why was there a police raid

[Cherie]

Viewing porn at work is generally a sackable offence

[smudgie]

Viewing porn at work is generally a sackable offence

But then their offices are like little home from homes.:shrug:
Waiting about to go for lunch, or get their mugs on PMQs.:joker:

[michael21]

Viewing porn at work is generally a sackable offence

So viewing football :fist:

[MTVN]

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

[smudgie]

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

I believe the police officer involved is now under investigation for this.

[michael21]

I believe the police officer involved is now under investigation for this.

Not sure what there is to investigation he the guy as monk says

[michael21]

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

Dont you watch the new police do that al the time :shrug:

[Kizzy]

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

What a hypocrite though, digging for dirt then bleating when dirt is dished....tsk!

[joeysteele]

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

I agree.

The answer likely to be given is he/they have been uncomfortable all this time as to what they came across on his computer.
Plus in light of the new allegations made against him, perhaps something ought to have been further looked at then.

However,I agree with you.

By all means express their concerns to the police directly but to be able to 'in effect smear ' someone when they took no action, seems both unjust and unprofessional.

[Toy Soldier]

Who DOWNLOADS porn though :think:. Has he not heard of streaming / incognito mode?

[bots]

David Davis threatening to resign makes me think he also partook. Here is the man we have entrusted to lead the brexit negotiations, threatening resignation over an issue of porn, it really is a new low :laugh:

[arista]

David Davis threatening to resign makes me think he also partook. Here is the man we have entrusted to lead the brexit negotiations, threatening resignation over an issue of porn, it really is a new low :laugh:


No they are mates
Damian was his Campaign Manager
way back when David was running for PM.

Also despite the Evening Standard
headline , David has said he is not
threatening to resign.

Ref: Fridays D.P BBC2HD.
& SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Who DOWNLOADS porn though :think:. Has he not heard of streaming / incognito mode?


9 years or so back
Prof TS.



This whole case
is waste of time and money.
Dodgy Ex -Coppers getting revenge?

[jaxie]

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

I have to agree with you here and it sets a worrying precedent. Does this mean anyone who hasn't done anything actually illegal can be 'outed' by the police years later for something like legal porn. It seems very unfair. I disagree with those who said the public have a right to know, it's none of our business if he likes to look at naughty pics so long as they aren't illegal and they aren't interfering in the execution of his job. This feels like an incredible breach by those in a position of trust. Where does it end? Can the police also now out you for being gay if you aren't ready yourself, or tell the world you've converted religion or are an athiest?

Having said that we are also talking about an office computer. Anyone could have downloaded that stuff from an employee to someone trying to discredit him/his office. This whole thing is very dodgy indeed.

[jaxie]

David Davis threatening to resign makes me think he also partook. Here is the man we have entrusted to lead the brexit negotiations, threatening resignation over an issue of porn, it really is a new low :laugh:

If he has threatened to resign it is probably more likely to be over the fact no crime has been committed and that those who have 'outed' this information have done something pretty unethical. So if his friend/colleague loses his job over it, that would be very wrong.

[bots]

I have to agree with you here and it sets a worrying precedent. Does this mean anyone who hasn't done anything actually illegal can be 'outed' by the police years later for something like legal porn. It seems very unfair. I disagree with those who said the public have a right to know, it's none of our business if he likes to look at naughty pics so long as they aren't illegal and they aren't interfering in the execution of his job. This feels like an incredible breach by those in a position of trust.

Having said that we are also talking about an office computer. Anyone could have downloaded that stuff from an employee to someone trying to discredit him/his office. This whole thing is very dodgy indeed.

As i said in my opening post. This is a complex one, which is why i thought it worthy of discussion.

There was nothing illegal in what the police found. The committee investigating his conduct did not contact these guys for input, which "seems" to have driven their need to speak out. However, they are both now ex police, so why would they be contacted, the committee would engage with the responsible police force, not retired individuals.

The porn on his computer was not related to their investigation at the time and was perfectly legal. They were investigating how he had got his hands on confidential information that he subsequently leaked to the press, nothing to do with porn. Given that, why were they even investigating who downloaded the porn and when. I think their objective was to discredit him because he leaked information, they may even have been paid a back hander to "find" something, and are still being paid to this day.

The other side to this is that this computer was in his parliamentary office. He deals with sensitive information, it should have been properly secured. It's standard practice for companies to immediately dismiss people for downloading porn, why should he be treated differently?

Of course, they haven't proven he actually did it, was it planted on the computer by those policemen? The whole thing stinks from whichever angle you look at it.

[jaxie]

I agree.

The answer likely to be given is he/they have been uncomfortable all this time as to what they came across on his computer.
Plus in light of the new allegations made against him, perhaps something ought to have been further looked at then.

However,I agree with you.

By all means express their concerns to the police directly but to be able to 'in effect smear ' someone when they took no action, seems both unjust and unprofessional.

The thing is we have a rule of law in this country that says you are innocent until proven guilty. When someone goes on trial, previous convictions are never revealed until after the verdict in case they sway the jury/court. If this guy is being accused of something then outing him in this way is an attempt to make him seem guilty and that goes against the principle of the law. Police or former police should know better. Say this guy went to trial for assault, how would he ever get a fair trial now?

[joeysteele]

I think a point is being overlooked here, if Damien Green has to lose his job,it will not likely be at all for porn on his work computer.

It will be due to the allegations of improper conduct made against him being upheld.
Just in case the allegations are upheld,David Davis may be wiser to refrain from saying too much really.

[Kizzy]

Police shouldn't be getting involved in politits?... Were the tories saying that at Orgreave? Or Hiillsborough?

Hypocritical slimy toads!


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/02/damian-green-case-police-criticised-making-porn-revelations

[joeysteele]

The thing is we have a rule of law in this country that says you are innocent until proven guilty. When someone goes on trial, previous convictions are never revealed until after the verdict in case they sway the jury/court. If this guy is being accused of something then outing him in this way is an attempt to make him seem guilty and that goes against the principle of the law. Police or former police should know better. Say this guy went to trial for assault, how would he ever get a fair trial now?

We have a rule of law in this Country exactly as you put it.
Since law is my work,very sadly the norm is fast becoming as to media and some of the public,that you are guilty until proven innocent.
Even then,the stigma stays,even when found innocent.

Anyone on a workplace now,under any investigation are far more likely to be at least suspended even of protesting their innocence.

The last few years,and now presently have people making allegations left,right and centre.
Those the allegations against,should be seen as innocent until proven guilty in law.
However already with even no charges in some cases,careers are near in ruins after trial by media and armchair judges particularly.

Innocent until proven guilty should be how things are across the board,in practice of over the recent past and now,that is just about thrown out the window now.

[smudgie]

We have a rule of law in this Country exactly as you put it.
Since law is my work,very sadly the norm is fast becoming as to media and some of the public,that you are guilty until proven innocent.
Even then,the stigma stays,even when found innocent.

Anyone on a workplace now,under any investigation are far more likely to be at least suspended even of protesting their innocence.

The last few years,and now presently have people making allegations left,right and centre.
Those the allegations against,should be seen as innocent until proven guilty in law.
However already with even no charges in some cases,careers are near in ruins after trial by media and armchair judges particularly.

Innocent until proven guilty should be how things are across the board,in practice of over the recent past and now,that is just about thrown out the window now.

Trial by media, terrible situation we find ourselves in Joey.

[Kizzy]

Have you seen the note in the article... I touched on it earlier, it specifically refers to any journalists involved, it was never going to get to court due to parliamentary privilege ...so how were we to know?

[Kizzy]

The guy who was passing on info worked in Jacqui Smiths office, she had to resign due to an expenses scandal that exposed her husband had put his porn habit of 2 movies a week on her expenses... Was Green the one who outed that and was the porn on his comp the evidence against Smiths husband? :/

[joeysteele]

Trial by media, terrible situation we find ourselves in Joey.

I agree.

Shocking it is.
A very sad and bad road to be going down in my view.

[Northern Monkey]

Part of me wonders if this is some kind of plot to bring down the May government.If Green and Davis go will Theresa fall?

[Kizzy]

Part of me wonders if this is some kind of plot to bring down the May government.If Green and Davis go will Theresa fall?

How ironic then that the whole sorry affair stems from him attempting to bring down the last Labour government...

[joeysteele]

Trial by media, terrible situation we find ourselves in Joey.

Agreed.

I find it shocking,a really sad and bad road to go down.

[arista]

Police Commissioner Clarissa Dick
has said she may prosecute those 2 ex coppers
if its proved they are wrong

Ref: LBC/SkyNewsHD / BBC1 6PM news.

[bots]

Police Commissioner Clarissa Dick
has said she may prosecute those 2 ex coppers
if its proved they are wrong

Ref: LBC/SkyNewsHD / BBC1 6PM news.

it shouldn't be based on whether the allegations they have made are true or false. They breached police confidentiality rules. They should be up in court for that.

[arista]

it shouldn't be based on whether the allegations they have made are true or false. They breached police confidentiality rules. They should be up in court for that.


Very True

[smudgie]

it shouldn't be based on whether the allegations they have made are true or false. They breached police confidentiality rules. They should be up in court for that.

Yes, and it would be interesting to find out how much they were paid.
Or if it was indeed a grudge paid back.

[Livia]

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

Me too. And the fact that there was actually nothing illegal on the machine compounds that. Someone has an axe to grind... And frankly I'd feel the same whichever party was involved. This is not on.

Furthermore, I am assured that when you visit porn sites you pick up all kinds of pop ups and add ons. This whole story is a complete waste of time and money.

[Livia]

No sorry, he deserves to be smeared. He was caught with his pants down whilst ja**ing off in a parliamentary office.

I personally don't believe he deserves to lose his position but 'we' the people who employ him, deserve to know he's been a dirty boy.

Except he wasn't. Was he. And unless there is proof that he actually visited and interacted with those sites during his work time (ignoring the claim that "his pants were down and he was ja**ing off in a parliamentary office" which is purely fictional embroidery added by you), then you're going to have a hard time smearing anyone.

The reason the ex-policemen revealed this is easy: they are not Tories. And believe me, if this was a Labour politician and people outed him over what is a non-story, I'd be just as irritated.

[jaxie]

Except he wasn't. Was he. And unless there is proof that he actually visited and interacted with those sites during his work time (ignoring the claim that "his pants were down and he was ja**ing off in a parliamentary office" which is purely fictional embroidery added by you), then you're going to have a hard time smearing anyone.

The reason the ex-policemen revealed this is easy: they are not Tories. And believe me, if this was a Labour politician and people outed him over what is a non-story, I'd be just as irritated.

I really couldn't agree with you more. It doesn't really matter who he is or what party he is from, this sort of 'outing' when what was found wasn't illegal is disgusting. Where is a the level of trust all citizens are entitled to with the police when innocent of a crime? I think whoever leaked this information should be prosecuted.

[Livia]

I really couldn't agree with you more. It doesn't really matter who he is or what party he is from, this sort of 'outing' when what was found wasn't illegal is disgusting. Where is a the level of trust all citizens are entitled to with the police when innocent of a crime? I think whoever leaked this information should be prosecuted.

And as it turns out, it's likely they will be prosecuted.

[Kizzy]

What could they be prosecuted for?...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/05/damian-green-ex-police-chief-bob-quick-may-sue-damian-green-over-porn-row



lol