Do you have psychopathic tendencies?

[Vicky.]

Made this thread because of a conversation in the videogame thread

Where https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/03/how-i-discovered-i-have-the-brain-of-a-psychopath was posted. I then searched for this hare Psychopathy test thats mentioned in the article.


http://uk.businessinsider.com/hare-psychopath-checklist-test-sociopath-2016-11/#1-do-you-have-excess-glibness-or-superficial-charm-1

My score is 35/40 when done according to the 0/1/2.

Only 2 of the questions do not apply at all. Most of them very strongly and constant

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html

When properly completed by a qualified professional, the PCL-R provides a total score that indicates how closely the test subject matches the "perfect" score that a classic or prototypical psychopath would rate. Each of the twenty items is given a score of 0, 1, or 2 based on how well it applies to the subject being tested. A prototypical psychopath would receive a maximum score of 40, while someone with absolutely no psychopathic traits or tendencies would receive a score of zero. A score of 30 or above qualifies a person for a diagnosis of psychopathy. People with no criminal backgrounds normally score around 5. Many non-psychopathic criminal offenders score around 22.


My psychiatrist already says I am sociopathic. I plan on bringing this up with her at our next appointment to get the test done 'properly', though its a quite scary thought.

[Kizzy]

It's not scary Vicky, you function don't you? You have friends and love your family and kids you also have from what I've seen have a healthy response to social injustice such as the ATOS medicals and you empathise with those who wish to transition... You are normal!

It's those who float through life presuming they are these caring individuals who don their blinkers so they can't see the vulnerable suffer, or worse blame them themselves for their wretched existence ..:/

:hug:

[smudgie]

I think I scored seven altogether.
Maybe I was being kind to myself.

[Vicky.]

It's not scary Vicky, you function don't you? You have friends and love your family and kids you also have from what I've seen have a healthy response to social injustice such as the ATOS medicals and you empathise with those who wish to transition... You are normal!

It's those who float through life presuming they are these caring individuals who don their blinkers so they can't see the vulnerable suffer, or worse blame them themselves for their wretched existence ..:/

:hug:

OK given my endless posts on the topic, it may surprise you to find out that I do not really care that much about the ATOS medicals, except for when they apply to myself. So my sense of injustice about them is more as I have been told I am perfectly fine when I know I am not :S

Before I had personal experience of it, it did not really bother me that much aside from knowing that its a bad way to treat people who are ill.

Its easy for me to 'act' normal'. I know what I should be outraged about and such. But really, it only bothers me when its happening to myself.

So yeah :umm2:

[Withano]

Im not a fan of the PCL-R, oversimplifies something so huge..

This website will calculate your score for you though
https://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=hare-pclr_2

[DemolitionRed]

Being a sociopath doesn't mean your dangerous. High functioning sociopaths tend to do well in life. Just because you have traits doesn't mean your going to act on those traits.

[Vicky.]

Im not a fan of the PCL-R, oversimplifies something so huge..

This website will calculate your score for you though
https://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=hare-pclr_2

Yeah not surprisingly


You got: QUALIFIED FOR DIAGNOSIS OF PSYCOPATHY

You scored high on this test and may actually be a psycopath. You do not feel emotions like the average person does and do not generally think out the consequences for your actions. Many people who score this high are in correctional facilities.

I guess it does oversimplify it somewhat though.

Though I did think, when I read the questions that surely they applied to everyone. Which it seems they do not :S

[Vicky.]

Being a sociopath doesn't mean your dangerous. High functioning sociopaths tend to do well in life. Just because you have traits doesn't mean your going to act on those traits.

Apparently most people in leadership are sociopaths. which isn't surprising :laugh:

[Wizard.]

Yes I thought you were when you bit my head off.

[Withano]

Yeah not surprisingly



I guess it does oversimplify it somewhat though.

Though I did think, when I read the questions that surely they applied to everyone. Which it seems they do not :S

Yeh it called me normal haha, I think I scored about 7/8ish so there is probably something to be cautious of Vicky, cos I'm a right nutta sometimes!

there are hundreds of apects to psychopathology though, a 20 question survey that says yes or no doesnt really help anyone imo, unless it says which psychopathological traits you might be prone to. I'm also wondering if the worst of the worst are completely aware of their personality traits? And whether people have the same idea of what counts as 'often', 'sometimes', and 'not really' cos who are we comparing ourseves to? I'm just not a fan of the survey, its broad af.

[Tom4784]

You got: QUALIFIED FOR DIAGNOSIS OF PSYCHOPATHY

Ooop.

[Crimson Dynamo]

result: mildly undulating, stony, bare soil, rocks

Classic cyclepath

[Kizzy]

Oldest....joke....ever...

[Withano]

I just googled and the oldest recorded joke (from 1900BC) was a fart joke, which made me sad about modern life more than anything else. Weve barely progressed in 3900 years.

Loose translation
Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband’s lap.
I believe LT made that one too :fan:

[Crimson Dynamo]

whilst cylepath and psychopath is a well worn path the result: description and then punchline did merit posting

sadly i cannot be held responsible for poorly developed senses of humour.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f8/cc/34/f8cc34b46e7fb0f6d318d61e91f161b8.jpg

[Marsh.]

None.

I am too empathetic and empathic.

[user104658]

I just googled and the oldest recorded joke (from 1900BC) was a fart joke, which made me sad about modern life more than anything else. Weve barely progressed in 3900 years.

I find it sort of comforting really :joker:. It's like how chimpanzees and some other primates find "other chimps falling over" really funny and properly crease up about it... and here we are, millions of years of evolution later, and 90% of "try not to laugh challenges"? PEOPLE FALLING OVER! :hehe: It was also the main staple of "You've Been Framed".

Clearly large aspects of basic humour are instinctual and timeless and there's something sort of grounding about that :shrug:. Farts and minor injuries are just amusing...

Swear to god, I was having an awful day quite recently, couldn't pick myself up at all... then I saw this youtube video:

Tk-5RVMerfI

And the rest of my day was spent with a smile on my face and a spring in my step.

[Matthew.]

How do I take the test? Idk how

[Amy Jade]

You got: NORMAL


You scored as a normal member of society on the PCL-R test. You are goal oriented and enjoy bettering yourself. Unlike a psycopath, you feel emotions normally and care about others. You are not likely to be a danger to yourself or others.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How do I take the test? Idk how

you have failed, sorry

[user104658]

None.

I am too empathetic and empathic.

They mean exactly the same thing :suspect:

[Marsh.]

They mean exactly the same thing :suspect:

:smug: It was worth repeating.

[Cherie]

OK given my endless posts on the topic, it may surprise you to find out that I do not really care that much about the ATOS medicals, except for when they apply to myself. So my sense of injustice about them is more as I have been told I am perfectly fine when I know I am not :S

Before I had personal experience of it, it did not really bother me that much aside from knowing that its a bad way to treat people who are ill.

Its easy for me to 'act' normal'. I know what I should be outraged about and such. But really, it only bothers me when its happening to myself.

So yeah :umm2:


that is what I like about you Vicky, you are totally honest and just human

[DemolitionRed]

that is what I like about you Vicky, you are totally honest and just human

She's an honest sociopath?!?

[user104658]

So my sense of injustice about them is more as I have been told I am perfectly fine when I know I am not :S

Before I had personal experience of it, it did not really bother me that much aside from knowing that its a bad way to treat people who are ill.

Its easy for me to 'act' normal'. I know what I should be outraged about and such. But really, it only bothers me when its happening to myself.

So yeah :umm2:

This really isn't abnormal or unusual at all, though... you can be "philosophically outraged", I suppose. There are plenty of topics where I can see, logically, that something is unjust or wrong and I can be very vocal about it, might even "seem" annoyed or angry about it online, but it's different from being ACTUALLY annoyed or outraged. I'm not losing sleep over these things or, to be frank, giving them much thought at all as soon as the conversation is over :shrug:.

She's an honest sociopath?!?

That wouldn't be unusual to be fair, sociopaths aren't necessarily compulsive liars... only when it's personally beneficial to lie, or disadvantageous not to.

[DemolitionRed]

I did the test and apparently, I'm a saint! Seriously though these tests shouldn't be taken seriously, you can have many traits similar to sociopaths without being a sociopath.

The one thing that jumped out at me Vicky, is (on the other thread) you stated, when the counselor asked you questions, you answered them ‘truthfully’. There’s two different angles to what you said. 1. Why did you need to even tell us that you were ‘truthful’? That is indeed the sort of language a sociopath would use but then 2. Sociopaths are the masters of deceit and rarely answer questions truthfully, especially about 'how they felt'. One thing every psychiatrist knows is, never trust the words of a sociopath because they are pathological liars so they can remain one step ahead of the game. If you did answer ‘truthfully’ then surely it can only because you wanted a diagnosis?

[DemolitionRed]

This really isn't abnormal or unusual at all, though... you can be "philosophically outraged", I suppose. There are plenty of topics where I can see, logically, that something is unjust or wrong and I can be very vocal about it, might even "seem" annoyed or angry about it online, but it's different from being ACTUALLY annoyed or outraged. I'm not losing sleep over these things or, to be frank, giving them much thought at all as soon as the conversation is over :shrug:.



That wouldn't be unusual to be fair, sociopaths aren't necessarily compulsive liars... only when it's personally beneficial to lie, or disadvantageous not to.

I was remarking to the irony and anyway, I know Vicky won't be offended by that if she is a sociopath.

[Beso]

How ****ing long does this bastarding thing take to do...oh not long very pleasent experience.

[caprimint]

Think I only answered 'yes' to about 5

[Vicky.]

I did the test and apparently, I'm a saint! Seriously though these tests shouldn't be taken seriously, you can have many traits similar to sociopaths without being a sociopath.

The one thing that jumped out at me Vicky, is (on the other thread) you stated, when the counselor asked you questions, you answered them ‘truthfully’. There’s two different angles to what you said. 1. Why did you need to even tell us that you were ‘truthful’? That is indeed the sort of language a sociopath would use but then 2. Sociopaths are the masters of deceit and rarely answer questions truthfully, especially about 'how they felt'. One thing every psychiatrist knows is, never trust the words of a sociopath because they are pathological liars so they can remain one step ahead of the game. If you did answer ‘truthfully’ then surely it can only because you wanted a diagnosis?
Tbh I was not completely honest as in I missed out a fair bit, but could not see the point in lying totally? I don't know if that makes sense :laugh: I certainly lied in court..well. I had to speak to some woman about everything and she was the one to recommend my sentence. I burst into tears instantly, told her I was so sorry, didn't know what I was doing, felt so guilty and such. She believed me obviously. Got off with basically nothing. A few months of seeing a probation officer. I guess I felt kind of comfortble with my gambling counsellor. Plus at that stage I was getting quite curious about myself, as every week she was asking how bad I felt and stuff so it was obvious I was supposed to feel bad, I gave her the answr she wanted for about 6 weeks before I told the truth.

I kind of wanted a diagnosis when I first saw the shrink because despite saying I needed to see someone as I felt depressed and such my aim was to find out if it was true or if my counsellor was taking ****e.. I have actually lied to her about stuff but...she seems to know when I am lying? Its very strange as most people don't but most times she does pick up on it, not always, but most of the time. So now, she is literally the only person that I do completely tell the truth to..on the whole. Online I find it fairly easy to tell the truth and be blunt though, for some reason. In real life I lie about stupid things that don't need to be lied about, just for the sake of it. I will twist stories just to see the drama then if it comes back to me I will blame someone else, and be more convincing than them. I have actually tried to stop, and can manage it for a little while but I always go back. Despite all of this, I still have friends. I can be nice when I want to be.

[caprimint]

Vicky D:

Yeah based off of your online personality I'd say you're one of the most honest people on this forum

[Crimson Dynamo]

I Doubt A genuine psychopath would ever use a forum unless it was for a specific purpose to benefit them like getting money from someone

[user104658]

I Doubt A genuine psychopath would ever use a forum unless it was for a specific purpose to benefit them like getting money from someone

THE REAL STORY BEHIND TRUTH'S BAN REVEALED : He started asking questions about that £20,000 Vicky "borrowed". :umm2:

[Niamh.]

Im not a fan of the PCL-R, oversimplifies something so huge..

This website will calculate your score for you though
https://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=hare-pclr_2

You got: NORMAL

You scored as a normal member of society on the PCL-R test. You are goal oriented and enjoy bettering yourself. Unlike a psycopath, you feel emotions normally and care about others. You are not likely to be a danger to yourself or others.


Vicky you don't seem like that to me. While I was reading through the questions though a person I know in r/l came to mind that I would have said almost every question was a yes to :worry:

[Cherie]

You got: NORMAL

You scored as a normal member of society on the PCL-R test. You are goal oriented and enjoy bettering yourself. Unlike a psycopath, you feel emotions normally and care about others. You are not likely to be a danger to yourself or others.


Vicky you don't seem like that to me. While I was reading through the questions though a person I know in r/l came to mind that I would have said almost every question was a yes to :worry:

:suspect: really..? :omgno:

[Niamh.]

:suspect: really..? :omgno:

The quiz said so so it must be true :hee:

[Vicky.]

THE REAL STORY BEHIND TRUTH'S BAN REVEALED : He started asking questions about that £20,000 Vicky "borrowed". :umm2:

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

You got: MODERATE

You scored a little high but are not a psycopath by any means. Many non-psycopathic criminal offenders score high in this range. You still feel emotions normally, just keep in mind that there are consequences for your actions and remember to think about the way other people feel.

:idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

surely any self respecting psychopath would know who to score low on that test anyroad?

[bots]

a proper psycho wouldn't score themselves accurately anyway, that's one of the traits of being afflicted

[Niamh.]

a proper psycho wouldn't score themselves accurately anyway, that's one of the traits of being afflicted

Yeah also I don't think they would worry about whether they are one either, which is why I think Vicky isn't

[Vicky.]

I wouldn't say I was a psychopath no. I do think I am a sociopath though, having done a lot of reading since this 'test'. I thought they were different things, then after this I thought that they were the same thing, but have now discovered that they actually are different things. I am not violent...as such. I can be when I need to be, but I am not a violent person overall. However I would actually think nothing of ruining someones life to better my own. I know I could be (and have been) very manipulative to get my own way. I know that noone really matters to me outside my immediate family and that seeing other people sad does not bother me at all. I lie constantly in real life. I wonder if its different on a forum as its..anonymous? I know I have some of you on facebook but its only a few, and I am unlikely to ever meet any of you really :laugh: Its all really weird to me to be honest. I was gobsmacked when sociopath was first mentioned to me by a professional person as I genuinely did think that everyone went OTT in their showing of emotions and such just to make themselves look good..thought that I was the 'normal' one for not doing that tbh. I didn't know that its not common to manipulate without any thought for the people it would affect. And so on. My understanding of sociopath before that day was someone who was utterly evil. Which I wouldn't say I am. Selfish yes, very. But not evil. Or I don't think so anyway but I am judging myself rather than other people who have been on the receiving end of my behavior I guess D:

So yeah, seems despite having a criminal history, one of the main traits of psychopathy is violence. I don't really have this, so sociopath would fit better. And its this that the professionals have mentioned. So that makes sense. Was just a bit of a shock to score so high on a psychopath test tbh. But again, makes sense when there is so much crossover between the two.

[user104658]

You got: QUALIFIED FOR DIAGNOSIS OF PSYCOPATHY

[b]You scored high on this test and may actually be a psycopath. You do not feel emotions like the average person does and do not generally think out the consequences for your actions. Many people who score this high are in correctional facilities.[/i]


Well **** :joker:.

I would take this test with a pinch of salt, though, because I'm fairly certain that I am not actually a psychopath, and I can't imagine many actual clinical psychologists using this very basic test to make a diagnosis :think:. I pretty much know the reasons that this tests "thinks I'm a psychopath and I could go into them in A LOT of detail...

The shortish version: Aged under 12 I would have been diagnosed as "intellectually high-functioning" autistic in a snap by any pediatrician, but a combination of factors (plus, thanks to being a clever kipper :hee: ) meant that in my early to mid teens I quickly learned to be "fake neurotypical" and a degree of social extroversion, and by late teens it had become second nature to be "externally normal" whilst internally suppressing the kid who couldn't make eye contact and didn't understand socialising. The result is that 99% of my social interactions outside of close friends and family are completely faked and yet at the same time, at this point, completely second nature.

So I basically score high on anything that involves "lying", superficial charm, shallow external emotional response, manipulativeness, lacking remorse etc. because of that affected persona... but at the same time because the li'l kid is still hidden in there somewhere, I score high on childhood behavioural issues, stimulation / sensory seeking, inability to take responsibility for actions, impulsivity and being totally honest, often "parasitic lifestyle", these days not so much financially but certainly still emotionally. And tbqfh if my wife continues on the trajectory she's on at the moment and becomes a high earner I would happily not work... I would say that I understand the practical need to work to survive and I'm good at whatever I'm doing, but when it comes down to it I actually have pretty much zero work ethic, and that's evident from my life before having kids (Good results at school simply because I pick things up easily; did not work a jot for any of those grades. Have started THREE University degrees and haven't completed any.)

On top of that (and I'm just gna fkn say it :joker: I'm attractive and intelligent so have extremely high - some might say inflated :omgno: - self image and self importance.



...sooo ANYWAY, what I'm getting at, is that there is an explainable combination of actually quite separate reasons that I score highly on most of the questions on that quiz... none of which have anything to do with clinical psychopathy. The furthest I would go is to say that I might have some quite minor sociopathy but, in all honesty, I don't think that's particularly rare and the vast majority of people over-emphasize their empathic response to things because of social convention. I believe these days they call it "virtue signalling" ... but it's actually just human nature.

[Niamh.]

Vicky
I know that noone really matters to me outside my immediate family and that seeing other people sad does not bother me at all

But your immediate family do? That says you aren't a sociopath to me. I reckon I've known two proper sociopaths in my life and they would have thrown their own kids under a bus if it benefited them

[Vicky.]

Vicky
I know that noone really matters to me outside my immediate family and that seeing other people sad does not bother me at all

But your immediate family do? That says you aren't a sociopath to me. I reckon I've known two proper sociopaths in my life and they would have thrown their own kids under a bus if it benefited them
Niamh, going to private message you here as the answer to this is not really suitable for the forum, theres honesty, and then theres honesty :S

[Niamh.]

Niamh, going to private message you here as the answer to this is not really suitable for the forum, theres honesty, and then theres honesty :S

OK :laugh:

[user104658]

But your immediate family do? That says you aren't a sociopath to me. I reckon I've known two proper sociopaths in my life and they would have thrown their own kids under a bus if it benefited them

:umm2: That suggests a complete lack of morality / conscience and basic protective instincts though, and sociopaths can/do tend to have emotional attachments, sometimes very strong ones, especially with family. I'm afraid to say I think you've known a couple of genuine bonafide psychopaths Niamh!

[Niamh.]

:umm2: That suggests a complete lack of morality / conscience and basic protective instincts though, and sociopaths can/do tend to have emotional attachments, sometimes very strong ones, especially with family. I'm afraid to say I think you've known a couple of genuine bonafide psychopaths Niamh!

yeah maybe so although neither have ever been in trouble with the law, one of them was actually murdered by her husband and I know this is an awful thing to think but my first thought was, I can see how that happened :worry:

[user104658]

one of them was actually murdered by her husband and I know this is an awful thing to think but my first thought was, I can see how that happened :worry:

Me when Pauline Fowler in EastEnder's husband whacked her over the head with the crystal fruit bowl :worry:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wouldn't say I was a psychopath no. I do think I am a sociopath though, having done a lot of reading since this 'test'. I thought they were different things, then after this I thought that they were the same thing, but have now discovered that they actually are different things. I am not violent...as such. I can be when I need to be, but I am not a violent person overall. However I would actually think nothing of ruining someones life to better my own. I know I could be (and have been) very manipulative to get my own way. I know that noone really matters to me outside my immediate family and that seeing other people sad does not bother me at all. I lie constantly in real life. I wonder if its different on a forum as its..anonymous? I know I have some of you on facebook but its only a few, and I am unlikely to ever meet any of you really :laugh: Its all really weird to me to be honest. I was gobsmacked when sociopath was first mentioned to me by a professional person as I genuinely did think that everyone went OTT in their showing of emotions and such just to make themselves look good..thought that I was the 'normal' one for not doing that tbh. I didn't know that its not common to manipulate without any thought for the people it would affect. And so on. My understanding of sociopath before that day was someone who was utterly evil. Which I wouldn't say I am. Selfish yes, very. But not evil. Or I don't think so anyway but I am judging myself rather than other people who have been on the receiving end of my behavior I guess D:

So yeah, seems despite having a criminal history, one of the main traits of psychopathy is violence. I don't really have this, so sociopath would fit better. And its this that the professionals have mentioned. So that makes sense. Was just a bit of a shock to score so high on a psychopath test tbh. But again, makes sense when there is so much crossover between the two.

Yes I am a bit similar and have been called a sociopath twice by 2 different people, i was a bit criminal when i was younger but not particularly violent (i did chase after 2 guys with a kitchen knife intent on stabbing them once thankfully it was in the snow and i did not catch them) and I have done the odd crazy thing that endangered my life but who hasnt. :shrug:

och everything has a bloody name now

even kids being shy has a fancy name now

:idc:

[user104658]

A point about violence though:

With a true psychopath it's not so much that they have a need or uncontrollable urge to be violent... it's more that they have no moral problem with violence or emotional response to seeing someone in pain, and so have no problem using violence to achieve some other want or need.

[user104658]

Yes I am a bit similar and have been called a sociopath twice by 2 different people, i was a bit criminal when i was younger but not particularly violent

It's not true LT. I've seen how deeply you care about US Cops and Kate McCann.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not true LT. I've seen how deeply you care about US Cops and Kate McCann.

If only Kate would become a female USA cop

:flutter:

[Vicky.]

A point about violence though:

With a true psychopath it's not so much that they have a need or uncontrollable urge to be violent... it's more that they have no moral problem with violence or emotional response to seeing someone in pain, and so have no problem using violence to achieve some other want or need.

I really wish you hadn't said that :laugh:

I don't have an emotional response to seeing people in pain (except for my kids..I get a kind of adrenaline rush when they hurt themselves which I assume is an emotional response?). I will make all the right noises and such, its actually usually down to me when people hurt themselves badly to sort out the bleeding and such as blood has never ever bothered me where literally everyone I know gets really squeamish, and I don't 'panic' either or burst into ****ing tears (I actually find that really pathetic, its not even you in pain ffs) but an emotional response..no. And I would have no issue at all using violence if needed. Or even if it would benefit me a lot to do so. I have thought a lot about how I could kill someone and not give any thought to it afterwards. Indeed I have had a situation where that would have happened had my parents not brought up me going to prison. If I knew 100% I would not get caught and punished, I would do it in a heartbeat. Under the right circumstances, not randomly! But..I think everyone would kill under the right circumstances? They might be all torn up about it afterwards, I think thats the only place where I would probably differ.

[Niamh.]

How come you jumped in to help that guy who was being beaten up by his g/f then Vicky, that suggests emapthy

[Vicky.]

How come you jumped in to help that guy who was being beaten up by his g/f then Vicky, that suggests emapthy

Hmm maybe. I would argue that that was more my sense of right and wrong though. Also ridiculous recklessness :laugh: Maybe there was empathy there though

[Crimson Dynamo]

Vicky we need to hook up and get to work on a basement, a patio and a murder spree


"The Forum Killers"

we could murder Scott first after luring him to our lair with red stripe and a nintendo switch

:think:

[Niamh.]

Hmm maybe. I would argue that that was more my sense of right and wrong though. Also ridiculous recklessness :laugh: Maybe there was empathy there though

But if you were sociopathic surely right and wrong wouldn't bother you though? You must have felt some sympathy for the guy? :think: (I don't know how it all works really, just curious because I find this topic very interesting)

[bots]

No chianti for Vicky this Christmas :nono:

[Vicky.]

But if you were sociopathic surely right and wrong wouldn't bother you though? You must have felt some sympathy for the guy? :think: (I don't know how it all works really, just curious because I find this topic very interesting)

Honestly, right and wrong doesn't bother me (unless its happening to me, then it bothers me a lot) but I do know what is right and what is wrong. That may sound confusing, but it makes sense to me :laugh:

I don't like seeing people in pain either. Thats mental and surely completely psycopathic?!. It just doesn't bother me as such. So that would be part of it too.

[Niamh.]

Honestly, right and wrong doesn't bother me (unless its happening to me, then it bothers me a lot) but I do know what is right and what is wrong. That may sound confusing, but it makes sense to me :laugh:

I don't like seeing people in pain either. Thats mental and surely completely psycopathic?!. It just doesn't bother me as such. So that would be part of it too.

I understand what you're saying however in that situation you put yourself at risk (both of being physically hurt and getting in trouble with the Police) for a guy you didn't even know. Most people, even very empathetic people wouldn't have done that, so that kind of suggests that your sense of right and wrong justice seems higher than alot of people :think:

[Vicky.]

I understand what you're saying however in that situation you put yourself at risk (both of being physically hurt and getting in trouble with the Police) for a guy you didn't even know. Most people, even very empathetic people wouldn't have done that, so that kind of suggests that your sense of right and wrong justice seems higher than alot of people :think:

Maybe it does.

It did anger me a lot that so many others just stood by and watched. I felt they were utterly pitiful tbh. Pathetic that so many people would just stand and watch something like that.

[user104658]

If only Kate would become a female USA cop

:flutter:

She pulls over a strange car on a dark night...

"Hello I'm Kate McCann, license and registration please sir"

BUT HE REACHES UNDER A NEWSPAPER ON THE SEAT NEXT TO HIM and pulls out a gun! Brap brap! He pops off a couple of shots, but she dodges them expertly, just like those cover up accusations.

Kate scurries back to cover behind her police cruiser; she's been grazed by a bullet... it's just superficial, thank goodness. Gerry could have patched her up but they sadly divorced, and he still lives in England. She tries to call for back up.

BRAP BRAP!

"I've got you now McCann! It's about to be the Tapas 6!" cackles the deranged driver. Kate's radio has been shot out; she's out of ammo, and no backup will be arriving.

OR WILL IT??



A huge, heavy sound like a jackhammer blasts into the night

BABABABABABABABABA "YOU GET AWAY from my Kate McCann / US Cop!!!" - a gravelly roar erupts from the bushes nearby.

It's LT!! He has come to save Kate!

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The perp lies dead, in several dozen bloody chunks smeared across the road. His car - no doubt stolen - catches fire, riddled with bullet holes.

"LT is it really you?" - Kate jumps into his muscular, sweaty embrace - "I thought I was dead inside and incapable of love but... but now I know better..."

"And I thought I was a sociopath..." sighs LT "...but now the only path for me, is the one leading to your heart."

Sirens in the distance. Backup is finally arriving. LT and Kate grab a blanket and sit down in the road together. It has begun to snow... the first snowfall of the season... but whether because of the blazing vehicle that rests next to them, or the fires now burning within their hearts... neither of them feel the cold.

The camera pulls back. The car fire burns brightly as red and blue lights approach in the distance. LT holds Kate in a tight embrace and, for the first time in more than a decade - Kate allows herself to smile. She is a McCann,
a US cop, and now, a lover.

FIN

[Niamh.]

Maybe it does.

It did anger me a lot that so many others just stood by and watched. I felt they were utterly pitiful tbh. Pathetic that so many people would just stand and watch something like that.

That's really interesting, did you ever tell that story to the professional person you said you spoke to? I wonder what they would make of that :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

She pulls over a strange car on a dark night...

"Hello I'm Kate McCann, license and registration please sir"

BUT HE REACHES UNDER A NEWSPAPER ON THE SEAT NEXT TO HIM and pulls out a gun! Brap brap! He pops off a couple of shots, but she dodges them expertly, just like those cover up accusations.

Kate scurries back to cover behind her police cruiser; she's been grazed by a bullet... it's just superficial, thank goodness. Gerry could have patched her up but they sadly divorced, and he still lives in England. She tries to call for back up.

BRAP BRAP!

"I've got you now McCann! It's about to be the Tapas 6!" cackles the deranged driver. Kate's radio has been shot out; she's out of ammo, and no backup will be arriving.

OR WILL IT??



A huge, heavy sound like a jackhammer blasts into the night

BABABABABABABABABA "YOU GET AWAY from my Kate McCann / US Cop!!!" - a gravelly roar erupts from the bushes nearby.

It's LT!! He has come to save Kate!

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The perp lies dead, in several dozen bloody chunks smeared across the road. His car - no doubt stolen - catches fire, riddled with bullet holes.

"LT is it really you?" - Kate jumps into his muscular, sweaty embrace - "I thought I was dead inside and incapable of love but... but now I know better..."

"And I thought I was a sociopath..." sighs LT "...but now the only path for me, is the one leading to your heart."

Sirens in the distance. Backup is finally arriving. LT and Kate grab a blanket and sit down in the road together. It has begun to snow... the first snowfall of the season... but whether because of the blazing vehicle that rests next to them, or the fires now burning within their hearts... neither of them feel the cold.

The camera pulls back. The car fire burns brightly as red and blue lights approach in the distance. LT holds Kate in a tight embrace and, for the first time in more than a decade - Kate allows herself to smile. She is a McCann,
a US cop, and now, a lover.

FIN

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[Vicky.]

That's really interesting, did you ever tell that story to the professional person you said you spoke to? I wonder what they would make of that :think:

Yes. I don't really get answers to specific events though when it regards myself and my actions, she does tend to go into other peoples reactions and why it could possibly be though a lot.

She said it was probably a natural instinct to protect yourself in that situation, so these people watching were just stopping themselves from possible pain. She said they may have been concerned that the person was armed with a knife or something. I said that was ridiculous as there were so many of them they could have stopped it between them in seconds with no problems. She said my opinion on this might be something to do with me not really giving a **** about superficial pain/blood at all. I quite enjoy it sometimes in all honesty. I used to self harm as a kid, I think this might have contributed to my opinions towards pain now. As an example here I will use when I got my tattoo...the pain was a 'nice' pain. I thought surely everyone would think this as its very unusual and as I said..quite enjoyable. When I mentioned this to people they looked at me like I had grown another ****ing head. Though my husband reckons it was quite nice too, but I don't know if he just said that to stop me going on about it or not :laugh: Also when I do get into fights, I will encourage the other person to hit me a few times first. This is for two reasons. One, so that if the police are called, I can claim self defense. It would be impossible to claim self defense no matter how good you are at lying if there was not a mark on me. And two, the pain brings out a different side of me for sure. I can just effectively switch off so much easier if pain is there. I can usually do this anyway, but if there is a lot of anger sometimes its harder to turn it off, and if I fight in anger I can **** up. Pain makes me be able to turn off everything and focus on whats going on infront of me.

So yeah, I have a rather unhealthy..or unconventional relationship with pain.

So in short, she said that this was likely clouding my judgement in that situation, as others are usually scared of pain or injury.

[Vicky.]

The pain I have from my illness though, I do NOT like that pain. At all. Its very very different than superficial crap. Which is why I neck morphine on regular basis to try and get rid.

[Vicky.]

It's not true LT. I've seen how deeply you care about US Cops and Kate McCann.

If only Kate would become a female USA cop

:flutter:

I somehow missed this exchange.

I am of the opinion that LT does not actually give a crap about any of that (especially not with the passion he puts across in his posts), but he knows that posting in support of them will get a reaction. So does it for fun.

I know he will now say thats not true, But thats a lie.

[user104658]

I somehow missed this exchange.

I am of the opinion that LT does not actually give a crap about any of that (especially not with the passion he puts across in his posts), but he knows that posting in support of them will get a reaction. So does it for fun.

I know he will now say thats not true, But thats a lie.

Or maybe Kate has warmed his icy heart with a hot island song.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I somehow missed this exchange.

I am of the opinion that LT does not actually give a crap about any of that (especially not with the passion he puts across in his posts), but he knows that posting in support of them will get a reaction. So does it for fun.

I know he will now say thats not true, But thats a lie.

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[Niamh.]

The pain I have from my illness though, I do NOT like that pain. At all. Its very very different than superficial crap. Which is why I neck morphine on regular basis to try and get rid.

I suppose they're different sorts of pain, illness Vs injury kind of? Like a boxer/martial artists likes fighting but maybe not man flu kind of a thing? :laugh:

[Vicky.]

I suppose they're different sorts of pain, illness Vs injury kind of? Like a boxer/martial artists likes fighting but maybe not man flu kind of a thing? :laugh:

Yeah that makes sense. I also really really hate how the illness leaves me unable to actually..do things. Like I will spend hours and hours totally unable to move and stuff. Really ****ing annoying.

[DemolitionRed]

:umm2: That suggests a complete lack of morality / conscience and basic protective instincts though, and sociopaths can/do tend to have emotional attachments, sometimes very strong ones, especially with family. I'm afraid to say I think you've known a couple of genuine bonafide psychopaths Niamh!

Sociopaths can make close attachments to certain people. Its not an emotional attachment but to a degree, a selfish one. Someone who is grounded and finds some sort of self identification through attachment can make a perfectly suitable and stable partner. The problem with a lot of sociopathic type attachments is, the sociopath often becomes controlling and when this happens, it can eventually lead to an unhealthy environment.

I agree with what you say about people on the autistic spectrum. High functioning aspergic people often get mistaken for sociopaths.

[DemolitionRed]

Maybe it does.

It did anger me a lot that so many others just stood by and watched. I felt they were utterly pitiful tbh. Pathetic that so many people would just stand and watch something like that.

Sociopaths are often fearless and will jump in where others fear to tread. The word 'pitiful' jumped out at me. I believe sociopaths often see neorotypical people as pitiful.

Are you good at spotting/picking up on a persons weakness?

[Jason.]

I'd like to think so.

[Vicky.]

Sociopaths are often fearless and will jump in where others fear to tread. The word 'pitiful' jumped out at me. I believe sociopaths often see neorotypical people as pitiful.

Are you good at spotting/picking up on a persons weakness?

Extremely. Or I would say so anyway :laugh: