Sweden legalises child marriage for migrants

[Oliver_W]

Sweden has legalized child marriages for immigrant pedophiles who wish to stay married to their underaged wives. (http://yournewswire.com/sweden-child-marriages/amp/)

In a move criticised by many as promoting pedophilia, the Swedish government have defended their controversial decision saying that the huge influx of immigrants from polygamous and ‘sexually diverse’ cultures has resulted in a sensitive ‘humanitarian’ crisis.

Camilla Brunsberg of the Conservative Party contended that [adult and child] couples should have been dissolved. According to Brunsberg, the girls should have instead been placed in a residential care home for children and young persons, whereas their spouses should have been referred to the Migration Board’s asylum residence. Brunsberg argued that there was no other alternative, as all other solutions implied that Sweden was backtracking in its acceptance of child marriage.

Brunsberg also voiced doubt whether the underage girls really dare to say the truth about their situation when interrogated by Swedish authorities, suggesting that individual assessments in reality did not carry much weight.

Nevertheless, [Social Committee chairperson] Ingrid Hermansson argued that individual trials in cases of underage immigrants who are married will continue to be held, at least until the Swedish Association of Local Authorities and Regions (SKL) comes up with different guidelines on the matter.

At present, Swedish legislation on child marriages seems to be applied differently in different municipalities. Earlier this year, the Administrative Court of Växjö ruled that a 14-year-old pregnant girl could be placed with her adult husband’s immigrant family, arguing that this was part of their culture.

A 14-year-old child bride from Syria came to Sweden and became pregnant with her husband, who is also her cousin. Now a Swedish court has approved of her marriage, because she appears "mature," and for religious and cultural reasons. (http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.3723/swedish-court-approves-of-child-marriage.html?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork)

The girl was married off to a cousin when she was only twelve years old. In Sweden, she has been placed with his aunt and her family.

The social service authorities in Sweden thought her marriage is completely outrageous and took it to the justice system.

But the judge does not think there is anything wrong with it, since she was brought up with another religious and cultural perception of what is right and wrong.

In addition, the girl, according to court, is precocious for her age and early matured, so the court does not see anything wrong.

Oh, Sweden....

[Shaun]

:facepalm: idiotic

[Brillopad]

Oh, Sweden....

Madness. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Thought Sweden were better than that.

[hijaxers]

So the Swedes really are turnips then :fist:

[Niamh.]

Absolutely crazy and disgusting

[Crimson Dynamo]

why on earth are they letting these people into their lovely country?

liberal madness

[Livia]

Child abuse.

[Greg!]

This is obviously literal fake news lol. Delete this

[Niamh.]

This is obviously literal fake news lol. Delete this

I really hope it is

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is obviously literal fake news lol. Delete this

sadly its not

"As a 15-year old Syrian refugee, Fatima has been granted all the comforts that Germany offers to those fleeing her war-torn homeland.

Living in a secluded shelter near the western town of Bielefeld, she can look to the state for all her basic needs: accommodation, food and security.

Such support is all the more needed because Fatima is pregnant by her 34-year-old husband, a fellow Syrian refugee who was put up in the same town so they could continue to see each other."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/germany-tied-up-in-knots-by-influx-of-migrant-child-brides-djtkwl30n

[Livia]

I don't see how they can possibly allow this outrage that goes against not only their own domestic laws, but against everything the West has achieved over the last few hundred years. Are these girls worth less than their own citizens? It's obscene.

[Greg!]

sadly its not

"As a 15-year old Syrian refugee, Fatima has been granted all the comforts that Germany offers to those fleeing her war-torn homeland.

Living in a secluded shelter near the western town of Bielefeld, she can look to the state for all her basic needs: accommodation, food and security.

Such support is all the more needed because Fatima is pregnant by her 34-year-old husband, a fellow Syrian refugee who was put up in the same town so they could continue to see each other."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/germany-tied-up-in-knots-by-influx-of-migrant-child-brides-djtkwl30n

1) This is about Germany
2) Nowhere does it say that Sweden has 'legalised child marriage"

[Crimson Dynamo]

1) This is about Germany
2) Nowhere does it say that Sweden has 'legalised child marriage"

Here is the Swedish news source which the story is based


http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6096214

opening para states:

A marriage between a 14-year-old girl and a 21-year-old man was approved last year by Swedish authorities. Ekot can reveal today. The case has brought strong feelings, but is just one of several examples in recent years of childhood marriage recognized in Sweden.

[Livia]

1) This is about Germany
2) Nowhere does it say that Sweden has 'legalised child marriage"

1) That doesn't mean it's not true, it means you're Googling in the wrong place.
2) The fact that it's happening in Germany too should have you worried not crying "fake news".

[smudgie]

Oh dear.
You have to live by the laws of the land you live in, not those laws be changed to suit you.
Surely there cannot be one rule/law for some and different rules for others.
Where will it all end?

[Niamh.]

Oh dear.
You have to live by the laws of the land you live in, not those laws be changed to suit you.
Surely there cannot be one rule/law for some and different rules for others.
Where will it all end?

Yeah I totally agree, I'm all for helping people but there should be no new rules or giving in to practices like this that protect the most vulnerable members of our society. We should be going forward not backwards

[Tom4784]

It doesn't seem like any major news outlets have picked the story up which makes me doubt it's validity but if it's true then it's ****ing stupid. Children are not emotionally prepared or can understand what marriage truly entails. This only benefits peadophiles.

[Smithy]

This is fake

In Sweden it is illegal to get married before the age of 18. However, the current law was written before the issue of child marriages that has happened before the concerned child comes to Sweden, therefore the Swedish Government has given the Justice of the Supreme Court Mari Heidenborg the task of reviewing how protection against child marriage, forced marriage and ‘honour’ crimes can be strengthened. According to the Swedish Minister of Justice, "forced marriage and child marriage must be combated. Children who have entered into marriage abroad must feel that society is on their side." http://www.government.se/press-releases/2017/03/stronger-protection-against-child-marriage-forced-marriage-and-honour-crimes/

Thread can be closed

[Crimson Dynamo]

I love how not only are they dirty old men in their 30s but also their cousin...

Way to go Syria

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is fake



Thread can be closed

what by some PR release from the Government turning a blind eye to rampant immigration and child abuse?

hardly

[Oliver_W]

what by some PR release from the Government turning a blind eye to rampant immigration and child abuse?

hardly

What's more, the Government article is from March, the two in the o/p are from several months later.

[Northern Monkey]

Sweden need to pull their heads out of their ‘progressive’ virtue signaling arses and start protecting kids.

[Niamh.]

It does seem like its a fake story (I hope)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/441333919315986/permalink/1475035745945793/

[user104658]

"Your News Wire is a clickbait website that is listed on Factcheck.org’s fake news list. (9/10/2016) Update (7/7/2017)"

Come on guyz. Engage brains before posting.

[Smithy]

"Your News Wire is a clickbait website that is listed on Factcheck.org’s fake news list. (9/10/2016) Update (7/7/2017)"

Come on guyz. Engage brains before posting.

What's more, the Government article is from March, the two in the o/p are from several months later.

https://i.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif

Embarrassing

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Your News Wire is a clickbait website that is listed on Factcheck.org’s fake news list. (9/10/2016) Update (7/7/2017)"

Come on guyz. Engage brains before posting.

thats great TS but rather than talk about one news source what about the Swedish news source I posted can you "fact check" that one?

[Oliver_W]

"Your News Wire is a clickbait website that is listed on Factcheck.org’s fake news list. (9/10/2016) Update (7/7/2017)"

Come on guyz. Engage brains before posting.

There's nothing to say the source article from Sverige's Radio posted by LT is fake though.

[Niamh.]

Here is the Swedish news source which the story is based


http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6096214

opening para states:

A marriage between a 14-year-old girl and a 21-year-old man was approved last year by Swedish authorities. Ekot can reveal today. The case has brought strong feelings, but is just one of several examples in recent years of childhood marriage recognized in Sweden.

This is fake



Thread can be closed

What's more, the Government article is from March, the two in the o/p are from several months later.

There's nothing to say the source article from Sverige's Radio posted by LT is fake though.

The article LT posted is from 2015

[Smithy]

The article LT posted is from 2015

:joker::joker:

[Niamh.]

It's almost like you two want it to be true :suspect:

[Tom4784]

If it's not a story that's been picked up by major sources then it's not likely true. The DM would have loved this story if it could have been verified.

Wanting something to be true so you can complain about it is a world apart from it actually being true.

[Smithy]

What a car crash of a thread

[Oliver_W]

The article LT posted is from 2015

So it's been going on for a while then.

[Niamh.]

So it's been going on for a while then.

Probably not because the information Smithy posted-as you pointed out- is from March of this year

[Eddie.]

will a mod please close this thread!
would be disgusted if this was real. Let the children live their lives!

[Tom4784]

This is why fake news is such an issue, too many people want it to be true that they'll spread it regardless of it's validity.

[Niamh.]

This is why fake news is such an issue, too many people want it to be true that they'll spread it regardless of it's validity.

I know, jeez be happy that this isn't happening for gods sake

[Smithy]

This is why fake news is such an issue, too many people want it to be true that they'll spread it regardless of it's validity.

It’s so easy to copy and paste an article damning something, god forbid you check your facts first before making a fool of tourself :bored:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Denmark's dilemma

Denmark's response has swung first one way and then the other.

In February, Integration Minister Inger Stojberg vowed to act after a review found dozens of cases of girls living with older men in asylum seekers' accommodation - which the minister called "totally unacceptable".

Couples would require "exceptional reasons" to live together below the age of 18 (the legal age for marriage in Denmark) and no cohabitation would be allowed whatsoever if one party was below 15.

But separation reportedly prompted two migrants under 18 to attempt suicide.

The policy was reversed earlier this week - with children as young as 14 reunited with their husbands - after the issue was raised with the Danish Immigration Service (DIS) by lawmaker Josephine Fock.

"It is completely outrageous. We are talking about people who have fled to Denmark who are being split from each other. Some of them have children together and investigating individual [asylum] cases takes an unbelievably long time," Ms Fock told Metroxpress news service.

The DIS cited Denmark's "international obligations" as the trigger for its policy change, concluding that enforcing separate living quarters would violate the UN's Convention on the Rights of the Child and Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which guarantees the right to one's "private and family life".

That has prompted conservative politicians to call for Denmark's withdrawal from such treaties.

Data suggest that in Germany there are at least 1,000 marriages where one or both parties are under the legal marriage age of 18, of which more than half are in the southern state of Bavaria.

Unicef figures from the vast Syrian refugee camps in Jordan suggest the proportion of registered marriages where the bride was under 18 rose from 12% in 2011 (roughly the same as the figure in pre-war Syria) to 18% in 2012, and as high as 25% by 2013.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37518289

[user104658]

thats great TS but rather than talk about one news source what about the Swedish news source I posted can you "fact check" that one?

No because

A) I don't read Swedish and neither do you so we're relying on loose translation

B) None of it is even cited, in any way, making the source dubious to begin with

C) Disregarding the above and assuming the source is credible... If you had translated the entire article you would have seen that:

- It indicates that this occurred last year, BEFORE regulations were tightened

- It states that it is NOT legal to marry in Sweden under 18, it's about whether or not already existing marriages are recognised.

- It suggests that this specific case was a mistake / oversight and it's very rare that a marriage under 16 would be recognised. This is not "law" or "policy"; nothing has "been legalised".

- It is clear that it is regrettable when it happens. It's good inattention, a mistake simply.

- It's ALREADY BEEN UNDONE :facepalm:


After the social services in the municipality where 14-year-olds and 21-year-olds were placed questioned the Tax Agency's recognition of marriage, it has now been canceled and 14-year-old has been given a different placement.



So yeah. Fake news. The best fake news sites lie using fragments of truth to make their stories seem more legitimate... but, I'm sure you were already aware of that.

Not that I'm saying we can consider the first site one of the "best"... it also seems to be sayng that Jay Z and Beyonce are shapeshifting reptiles, that mermaids are real, and that a small alien family has been dug up in Peru. SMFH.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s so easy to copy and paste an article damning something, god forbid you check your facts first before making a fool of tourself :bored:

God forbid in a race to win the virtue signal olympic gold medal you ignore the actual disgusting problem that every country who welcome in hoardes of economic migrants face :/


:idc:

well done to Oliver for highlighting this terrible issue in Europe

[user104658]

God forbid in a race to win the virtue signal olympic gold medal you ignore the actual disgusting problem that every country who welcome in hoardes of economic migrants face :/


:idc:

well done to Oliver for highlighting this terrible issue in Europe

Whether or not it's a real and valid issue, highlighting it using clickbait and fake news sites is the wrong way to go, and actually cheapens the issue and makes it seem less legitimate. Stick to proper, cited, non-sensationalist news sources and there might be a discussion to be had. Otherwise, I suggest we all turn out attention back to Beyonce's increasing apathy when it comes to hiding her shapeshifting abilities. She did it IN PUBLIC, guys! Jay Z did it on a plane :worry:. All of the passengers saw and he doesn't even seem to care.

[Niamh.]

Whether or not it's a real and valid issue, highlighting it using clickbait and fake news sites is the wrong way to go, and actually cheapens the issue and makes it seem less legitimate. Stick to proper, cited, non-sensationalist news sources and there might be a discussion to be had. Otherwise, I suggest we all turn out attention back to Beyonce's increasing apathy when it comes to hiding her shapeshifting abilities. She did it IN PUBLIC, guys! Jay Z did it on a plane :worry:. All of the passengers saw and he doesn't even seem to care.

:laugh2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whether or not it's a real and valid issue, highlighting it using clickbait and fake news sites is the wrong way to go, and actually cheapens the issue and makes it seem less legitimate. Stick to proper, cited, non-sensationalist news sources and there might be a discussion to be had. Otherwise, I suggest we all turn out attention back to Beyonce's increasing apathy when it comes to hiding her shapeshifting abilities. She did it IN PUBLIC, guys! Jay Z did it on a plane :worry:. All of the passengers saw and he doesn't even seem to care.

i think as adults we can see the story from the news source

stop trying to obfuscate the issue

[user104658]

i think as adults we can see the story from the news source

stop trying to obfuscate the issue

Touting sensationalism over facts is obfuscation; not the other way round.

[user104658]

I was wrong. He does care.


http://cdns.yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/jay-z-united-airlines-678x381.jpg

Dozens of United Airlines passengers claim they saw Jay-Z shapeshift into a reptilian as the rapper and music mogul travelled between New York City and Los Angeles on Friday.

One witness, writing about the experience on Twitter, said “the **** hit the fan in business class” when Jay-Z “lost control” and began shapeshifting in front of the other business class passengers. “V scary. He kept changing shape. He knew more and more people were watching and he got angrier and angrier when he couldn’t stop.”

http://yournewswire.com/jayz-shapeshifting-united-airlines/

:worry:

[bots]

Touting sensationalism over facts is obfuscation; not the other way round.

Its good to see you standing beside Mr D Trump in his condemnation of fake news

[user104658]

Its good to see you standing beside Mr D Trump in his condemnation of fake news

I dunno if this is supposed to be a jibe; if a news source is genuinely fake, it should be condemned, by Trump and everyone else :umm2:. I am indeed in full agreement with Donny on that one.

[DemolitionRed]

It doesn't seem like any major news outlets have picked the story up which makes me doubt it's validity but if it's true then it's ****ing stupid. Children are not emotionally prepared or can understand what marriage truly entails. This only benefits peadophiles.

Exactly

News Wire has been named and shamed by various other sources as an alarmist fake news outlet.

Spesia is a fairly new aggresive media news channel that's recently became a laughing stock after reporting grand mufti of Saudi Arabia issued a fatwa as per which a man can eat his wife in extreme conditions. It keeps coming up with similar stories about the Middle East.

People really need to research these news channels because some of them are desperate for a captive headline.

As for Muslims marrying adolescent girls (which is not pedophilia btw if that adolescent is of pubesant age), I think its wrong and I don't think we should be encouraging it in Europe.

[jaxie]

If true, I wonder what would happen if a 30 year old Swedish man decides he can also marry a 12 year old. It sounds like they are opening a very worrying door for religious/cultural appeasement.

I knew a Turkish Muslim girl in my youth who was taken out of the UK at 14 and married to a 29 year old man abroad then brought back and he followed. She was forced into the sexual side of marriage and told me she didn't like it. It goes on, no one stops it. She was a playmate in the flats, then she vanished for weeks and she came back a very different girl, very sexually aware. I was a child, it was shocking. Same thing happened to her 13 year old sister.

This isn't a story it's a fact. This kind of thing isn't legalised but it is happening. Just like girls are taken out of the country to have fgm performed on them. At some level someone in authority must know because these husband's get into the country based on the marriage. Not sure how they manage it with the current income requirements but don't doubt there are loopholes found.

It's child abuse performed by families with the state turning a blind eye. The tragedy is it ruins these girls lives as they are often abandoned with lots of young children to care for and little hope of any kind of career/job.

[Tom4784]

It's not true though.

[Chero]

This is obviously literal fake news lol. Delete this
Thanks. Hard to know which news sources are dodgy when they're from a country where I don't speak the language! However, just looking at the site, and doing a bit of research, I was able to easily confirm they are not a good source for legitimate news.

It just makes me realize how confusing fake news is to people from somewhere else. As I'm an American, I can easily spot it in American news, but it's so hard when it's somewhere else.

And even if it was real news, seriously, a fourteen year old woman is pregnant with her husband of two years. Yes, it's nuts that she married that early, but if she's happy, then seriously, she's got a child on the way, she's better off married.

Of course, in some parts of America, girls used to get married off at 13 not so long ago. And religious nuttiness is not just a Muslim phenomenon. Christians have been just as bad, if not worse.

[Shaun]

:facepalm: idiotic

I would like to clarify that I meant the thread x

[Smithy]

:joker: