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Crimson Dynamo
27-12-2017, 04:07 PM
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'I don't care if I appeal to men': Newly-single Davina McCall, 50, lauds effect of exercise on mental health and hints 'men don't talk enough'... after sharing video about loneliness following split

She posted a heart-warming message about loneliness to Instagram over Christmas, following her split from husband of 17 years Matthew Robertson.

And Davina McCall has now given further insight into life as a newly-single woman -revealing she exercises to 'clear her head' and feels 'reborn' after the menopause.

Speaking on the Is It Just Me? podcast, from the ex editor of Glamour Jo Elvin, the 50-year-old lauded the effects of fitness on mental health, before acknowledging how men 'don't talk enough' about their issues and insecurities later in life.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/27/10/47873EF400000578-5214807-image-a-1_1514369449891.jpg

It’s a weird thing where women go, what do I want? We've been selfless, we've looked after other people.'

She then went on to compare the attitude of middle-aged women to men, and acknowledged how men don't have any 'role models' to help them battle any insecurities, unlike females.

She said: 'Women think, ‘I don't care if I appeal to men anymore, I want to feel amazing in myself, and I want to be the version of myself I can be’ :umm2:

'Whereas guys think, 'Am I losing my allure? Where am I going, what's my job? That's a mid life crisis for a guy.' (how she knows this is a mystery)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5214807/Davina-McCall-talks-positive-effect-exercise.html

top DM comment: "With a body like that, she won't be appealing to many men!"

Denver
27-12-2017, 04:16 PM
Why do you always feel the need to attack successful beautiful women?

Crimson Dynamo
27-12-2017, 04:17 PM
Why do you always feel the need to attack successful beautiful women?

This about Davina McCall, please stay on topic :nono:

thesheriff443
27-12-2017, 04:31 PM
She is clearly taking the exercise to the extreme, and that can be hard to watch if you love someone.

The old saying too much of a good thing.

Crimson Dynamo
27-12-2017, 04:44 PM
She is clearly taking the exercise to the extreme, and that can be hard to watch if you love someone.

The old saying too much of a good thing.

it looks like one addiction for another

Nicky91
27-12-2017, 04:55 PM
Davina is a gorgeous lady ;)

LaLaLand
27-12-2017, 05:04 PM
She's getting "Madonna arms". Too far love!

y.winter
27-12-2017, 05:34 PM
She's lovely and going through difficult time, it's absolutely fine :love:

arista
27-12-2017, 05:36 PM
Hope she gets better

Fetch The Bolt Cutters
27-12-2017, 05:39 PM
me

Jase.
27-12-2017, 06:29 PM
lmao I wonder what you look like tho

Crimson Dynamo
27-12-2017, 06:30 PM
lmao I wonder what you look like tho

good comeback

:)

Ronald.
27-12-2017, 06:31 PM
Can’t be easy any marriage ending! My thoughts are with her. R.

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 06:37 PM
:unsure:

She looks great?

Her body isn't perfect (no one's is) but it's fit and healthy. She's fine.

She's been doing that years long before her divorce. But, hey, the British tabloid motto is to kick people when going through a difficult time and pick on any straw you can.

They did the same to Sheridan Smith last year.

hijaxers
27-12-2017, 06:44 PM
Can’t be easy any marriage ending! My thoughts are with her. R.

Exactly Ronald everyone needs to give the poor girl a break !

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 06:48 PM
Time for Davina to go into CBB to find a new man.

Crimson Dynamo
27-12-2017, 06:49 PM
Exactly Ronald everyone needs to give the poor girl a break !

maybe she should stop posting pics of her self half naked on social media and posting videos on insta

oh wait, she is trying to flog another dvd


:rolleyes:

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 06:50 PM
maybe she should stop posting pics of her self half naked on social media and posting videos on insta

oh wait, she is trying to flog another dvd


:rolleyes:

So? That is her job?

Do you also roll your eyes at the car salesman trying to sell cars?

hijaxers
27-12-2017, 06:50 PM
Time for Davina to go into CBB to find a new man.

I don't think she will be wanting any of the trogs they put in the house, Davina wants a regular normal man, not a tv twat.

thesheriff443
27-12-2017, 06:55 PM
lmao I wonder what you look like tho

Like davina only with a dick!, keep up

Crimson Dynamo
27-12-2017, 06:55 PM
So? That is her job?

Do you also roll your eyes at the car salesman trying to sell cars?

Well if he was tarting his semi naked body all over the internet and i saw him daily the likes of the DM and social media I would say yes

seriously is that your best comparison?

:rolleyes:

thesheriff443
27-12-2017, 07:00 PM
In the first picture she looks ill, the right side of her face is just skin hanging off the bone

Crimson Dynamo
27-12-2017, 07:00 PM
In the first picture she looks ill, the right side of her face is just skin yanking off the bone

yep

thesheriff443
27-12-2017, 07:06 PM
Time for Davina to go into CBB to find a new man.

Women don't need men to be happy, lots of women are happy on their own or with another woman.

Their is no reason to believe her ex is not a nice man, they have been married 17 years.

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 07:12 PM
Women don't need men to be happy, lots of women are happy on their own or with another woman.

Their is no reason to believe her ex is not a nice man, they have been married 17 years.

1) I didn't say women need men to be happy.

2) I never suggested her ex is not a nice man.

3) Yes, I know they've been married 17 years. I read the article.

Thanks.

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 07:15 PM
In the first picture she looks ill, the right side of her face is just skin hanging off the bone

yep

It looks like the skin/dimple as she is moving her mouth to talk as it's an unflattering screen grab from a video clip.

Let's not use it as the basis to form a diagnosis. :joker:

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 07:19 PM
Well if he was tarting his semi naked body all over the internet and i saw him daily the likes of the DM and social media I would say yes

seriously is that your best comparison?

:rolleyes:

Well, I'm not surprised you don't like the comparison as it's gone over your head like everything else.

A car salesman flaunting his body on the internet would be odd, as it has bugger all to do with cars.

A woman who, for the last 20 years, has a career in starring in fitness DVD's, is involved in numerous fitness and exercise campaigns, TV shows and cookery books, websites posting pictures of herself in lycra (which she did long before the end of her marriage) kind of is not surprising no.

But, yeah Davina how dare you show us your arms you're 50, you're a woman and we judge you for that. :thumbs:

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 07:23 PM
She has a family, a career and young kids so I imagine she doesn't have time to be lonely.

thesheriff443
27-12-2017, 07:24 PM
She has a family, a career and young kids so I imagine she doesn't have time to be lonely.

What you image to be true

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 07:26 PM
What you image to be true

Yes, her kids are a figment of my imagination. You could be right.

Crimson Dynamo
27-12-2017, 07:34 PM
She has a family, a career and young kids so I imagine she doesn't have time to be lonely.

what career is this?

dvds?

thesheriff443
27-12-2017, 07:35 PM
Yes, her kids are a figment of my imagination. You could be right.

No the fact you don't imagine she has time to be lonely

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 07:36 PM
what career is this?

dvds?
Oh no, Davina's career doesn't exist.... because you said?

Josiah.
27-12-2017, 07:37 PM
:unsure:

She looks great?

Her body isn't perfect (no one's is) but it's fit and healthy. She's fine.

She's been doing that years long before her divorce. But, hey, the British tabloid motto is to kick people when going through a difficult time and pick on any straw you can.

They did the same to Sheridan Smith last year.

Your right Marsh, I do remember that happening (you know, just scrolling through the BBC News website).

Beso
27-12-2017, 07:37 PM
She needs some meat on that ass.

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 07:39 PM
No the fact you don't imagine she has time to be lonely
Yes, I imagine she doesn't.

Your point?

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 07:42 PM
She needs some meat on that ass.

She has?

Beso
27-12-2017, 07:55 PM
She has?

Not enough.

Marsh.
27-12-2017, 07:57 PM
Not enough.

Unfortunately at that age, the bottom doesn't defy gravity anymore so it looks flatter than normal. :(

y.winter
27-12-2017, 07:59 PM
I'm not sure what is there to judge her for?
Did she do anything wrong? What's the actual debate? :facepalm:
She's wishing merry xmas on ig and especially to those who are alone this holiday, which is a great thing to do.

thesheriff443
28-12-2017, 11:53 AM
Yes, I imagine she doesn't.

Your point?

You are just speculating that she is not lonely because she is busy

Jamie89
28-12-2017, 12:13 PM
I'm not sure what is there to judge her for?
Did she do anything wrong? What's the actual debate? :facepalm:
She's wishing merry xmas on ig and especially to those who are alone this holiday, which is a great thing to do.

She's 50 and isn't being shamed into hiding her body. She's a woman with self confidence. Daily Mail readers don't find her sexually attractive. Shame on her, apparently.

top DM comment: "With a body like that, she won't be appealing to many men!"

Says it all really

Jamie89
28-12-2017, 12:14 PM
Anyway she looks fantastic and I'm sure some people will listen to what she's saying about mental health and exercise and benefit from her message so good for her.

Marsh.
28-12-2017, 01:10 PM
You are just speculating that she is not lonely because she is busy
In response to LT speculating Davina is lonely because she's now separated.

Your point?

Eddie.
28-12-2017, 01:15 PM
Davina better go on CBB to revitalise herself, though she didn't need to work out, her figure was perfect during her BB days.

bots
28-12-2017, 03:14 PM
Oh come on, there isn't a known universe where Davina would be considered to "look great" given those photos. If she's comfortable publicising herself looking like that, it's up to her, but I can't imagine it doing anything for sales of fitness videos

Crimson Dynamo
28-12-2017, 03:33 PM
Anyway she looks fantastic and I'm sure some people will listen to what she's saying about mental health and exercise and benefit from her message so good for her.

Its people like you that enable people like her

she does not look great she looks gaunt and border line anorexic and iv seen a few close hand in my life. She has an addictive personality by her own admission and seems to be obsessed with exercise and flaunting her scrawny body on social media, she has just had the upheaval of a marriage break up and you say she looks fantastic?

either you are on the wind up or you are very young

not sure which applies in this case (maybe both)

thesheriff443
28-12-2017, 04:23 PM
Its people like you that enable people like her

she does not look great she looks gaunt and border line anorexic and iv seen a few close hand in my life. She has an addictive personality by her own admission and seems to be obsessed with exercise and flaunting her scrawny body on social media, she has just had the upheaval of a marriage break up and you say she looks fantastic?

either you are on the wind up or you are very young

not sure which applies in this case (maybe both)
Could not agree more with you lt

Jamie89
28-12-2017, 04:41 PM
Its people like you that enable people like her

she does not look great she looks gaunt and border line anorexic and iv seen a few close hand in my life. She has an addictive personality by her own admission and seems to be obsessed with exercise and flaunting her scrawny body on social media, she has just had the upheaval of a marriage break up and you say she looks fantastic?

either you are on the wind up or you are very young

not sure which applies in this case (maybe both)

I've had first hand experience of people with anorexia as well and frankly it's ridiculous to try and make that kind of diagnosis based on these pictures of her and what you've read about her in the Daily Mail. She looks thin yes (thin doesn't equal anorexic) but she also looks healthy and fit for somebody who is 50. But the fact that your top DM comment is about whether or not men are going to want to have sex with her highlights exactly what the issue is, and it isn't care about her wellbeing so let's not pretend that it is.

As for her looking gaunt, yes she does a bit, when women age they tend to lose fat in their faces (much more than men do) and that's going to be even more accentuated in someone who has very little body fat anyway, that's why so many of them in the entertainment industry and so many ageing women in general opt for fillers. And you can quite clearly see that her having little body fat is due to exercise. And exercising regularly and posting pictures of yourself on social media does not constitute an 'obsession' - especially for someone in the public eye who makes a career out of fitness (which Marsh laid out quite clearly for you but you seemed to ignore).

If you want to go down the "it's people like you..." road we could talk about people like you body shaming ageing women (or any women) and enabling the culture of fillers and plastic surgery, and to hide her body and feel ashamed of it, to keep people like you happy. But instead she's confident in her appearance and in her ageing regardless of what people like you think, despite the menopause and a marriage break up, and if she inspires that in other people instead of feeling the shame that people like you try and place on them then I'm happy to 'enable' that.

The issue is that some people are offended by the sight of ageing women showing off their bodies because it's not what's expected of them, and maybe you're right that my age influences my opinion on it, in that I don't have the same expectations and views of women that were probably more prevalent for people of your age.

Crimson Dynamo
28-12-2017, 04:44 PM
I've had first hand experience of people with anorexia as well and frankly it's ridiculous to try and make that kind of diagnosis based on these pictures of her and what you've read about her in the Daily Mail. She looks thin yes (thin doesn't equal anorexic) but she also looks healthy and fit for somebody who is 50. But the fact that your top DM comment is about whether or not men are going to want to have sex with her highlights exactly what the issue is, and it isn't care about her wellbeing so let's not pretend that it is.

As for her looking gaunt, yes she does a bit, when women age they tend to lose fat in their faces (much more than men do) and that's going to be even more accentuated in someone who has very little body fat anyway, that's why so many of them in the entertainment industry and so many ageing women in general opt for fillers. And you can quite clearly see that her having little body fat is due to exercise. And exercising regularly and posting pictures of yourself on social media does not constitute an 'obsession' - especially for someone in the public eye who makes a career out of fitness (which Marsh laid out quite clearly for you but you seemed to ignore).

If you want to go down the "it's people like you..." road we could talk about people like you body shaming ageing women (or any women) and enabling the culture of fillers and plastic surgery, and to hide her body and feel ashamed of it, to keep people like you happy. But instead she's confident in her appearance and in her ageing regardless of what people like you think, despite the menopause and a marriage break up, and if she inspires that in other people instead of feeling the shame that people like you try and place on them then I'm happy to 'enable' that.

The issue is that some people are offended by the sight of ageing women showing off their bodies because it's not what's expected of them, and maybe you're right that my age influences my opinion on it, in that I don't have the same expectations and views of women that were probably more prevalent for people of your age.

ok Jamie, as ever a well thought out reply stating your position which i get to a degree.

Ashley.
28-12-2017, 04:54 PM
I've had first hand experience of people with anorexia as well and frankly it's ridiculous to try and make that kind of diagnosis based on these pictures of her and what you've read about her in the Daily Mail. She looks thin yes (thin doesn't equal anorexic) but she also looks healthy and fit for somebody who is 50. But the fact that your top DM comment is about whether or not men are going to want to have sex with her highlights exactly what the issue is, and it isn't care about her wellbeing so let's not pretend that it is.

As for her looking gaunt, yes she does a bit, when women age they tend to lose fat in their faces (much more than men do) and that's going to be even more accentuated in someone who has very little body fat anyway, that's why so many of them in the entertainment industry and so many ageing women in general opt for fillers. And you can quite clearly see that her having little body fat is due to exercise. And exercising regularly and posting pictures of yourself on social media does not constitute an 'obsession' - especially for someone in the public eye who makes a career out of fitness (which Marsh laid out quite clearly for you but you seemed to ignore).

If you want to go down the "it's people like you..." road we could talk about people like you body shaming ageing women (or any women) and enabling the culture of fillers and plastic surgery, and to hide her body and feel ashamed of it, to keep people like you happy. But instead she's confident in her appearance and in her ageing regardless of what people like you think, despite the menopause and a marriage break up, and if she inspires that in other people instead of feeling the shame that people like you try and place on them then I'm happy to 'enable' that.

The issue is that some people are offended by the sight of ageing women showing off their bodies because it's not what's expected of them, and maybe you're right that my age influences my opinion on it, in that I don't have the same expectations and views of women that were probably more prevalent for people of your age.

Great post, Jamie... Some men just don't take too kindly to women who are confident in their own appearance.

Crimson Dynamo
28-12-2017, 05:00 PM
Great post, Jamie... Some men just don't take too kindly to women who are confident in their own appearance.

If you know anything about addictive personalities and how they deal with crisis in their lives then you may see this totally differently

y.winter
28-12-2017, 05:06 PM
I've had first hand experience of people with anorexia as well and frankly it's ridiculous to try and make that kind of diagnosis based on these pictures of her and what you've read about her in the Daily Mail. She looks thin yes (thin doesn't equal anorexic) but she also looks healthy and fit for somebody who is 50. But the fact that your top DM comment is about whether or not men are going to want to have sex with her highlights exactly what the issue is, and it isn't care about her wellbeing so let's not pretend that it is.

As for her looking gaunt, yes she does a bit, when women age they tend to lose fat in their faces (much more than men do) and that's going to be even more accentuated in someone who has very little body fat anyway, that's why so many of them in the entertainment industry and so many ageing women in general opt for fillers. And you can quite clearly see that her having little body fat is due to exercise. And exercising regularly and posting pictures of yourself on social media does not constitute an 'obsession' - especially for someone in the public eye who makes a career out of fitness (which Marsh laid out quite clearly for you but you seemed to ignore).

If you want to go down the "it's people like you..." road we could talk about people like you body shaming ageing women (or any women) and enabling the culture of fillers and plastic surgery, and to hide her body and feel ashamed of it, to keep people like you happy. But instead she's confident in her appearance and in her ageing regardless of what people like you think, despite the menopause and a marriage break up, and if she inspires that in other people instead of feeling the shame that people like you try and place on them then I'm happy to 'enable' that.

The issue is that some people are offended by the sight of ageing women showing off their bodies because it's not what's expected of them, and maybe you're right that my age influences my opinion on it, in that I don't have the same expectations and views of women that were probably more prevalent for people of your age.

Absolutely fantastic :clap2:

RileyH
28-12-2017, 05:10 PM
I've had first hand experience of people with anorexia as well and frankly it's ridiculous to try and make that kind of diagnosis based on these pictures of her and what you've read about her in the Daily Mail. She looks thin yes (thin doesn't equal anorexic) but she also looks healthy and fit for somebody who is 50. But the fact that your top DM comment is about whether or not men are going to want to have sex with her highlights exactly what the issue is, and it isn't care about her wellbeing so let's not pretend that it is.

As for her looking gaunt, yes she does a bit, when women age they tend to lose fat in their faces (much more than men do) and that's going to be even more accentuated in someone who has very little body fat anyway, that's why so many of them in the entertainment industry and so many ageing women in general opt for fillers. And you can quite clearly see that her having little body fat is due to exercise. And exercising regularly and posting pictures of yourself on social media does not constitute an 'obsession' - especially for someone in the public eye who makes a career out of fitness (which Marsh laid out quite clearly for you but you seemed to ignore).

If you want to go down the "it's people like you..." road we could talk about people like you body shaming ageing women (or any women) and enabling the culture of fillers and plastic surgery, and to hide her body and feel ashamed of it, to keep people like you happy. But instead she's confident in her appearance and in her ageing regardless of what people like you think, despite the menopause and a marriage break up, and if she inspires that in other people instead of feeling the shame that people like you try and place on them then I'm happy to 'enable' that.

The issue is that some people are offended by the sight of ageing women showing off their bodies because it's not what's expected of them, and maybe you're right that my age influences my opinion on it, in that I don't have the same expectations and views of women that were probably more prevalent for people of your age.

http://i.imgur.com/rmRrLcr.gif

bots
28-12-2017, 05:12 PM
its not about her being confident in her appearance. She clearly is, and good on her, we all get what we are given and have to deal with it. The issue I see is that she isn't a typical 50 year old women, and I can assure you, I know many 50+ women that look much healthier than she does. If she thinks posting photos like that will encourage ANY generation into getting fit, she is on the wrong planet.

Crimson Dynamo
28-12-2017, 05:14 PM
its not about her being confident in her appearance. She clearly is, and good on her, we all get what we are given and have to deal with it. The issue I see is that she isn't a typical 50 year old women, and I can assure you, I know many 50+ women that look much healthier than she does. If she thinks posting photos like that will encourage ANY generation into getting fit, she is on the wrong planet.

quite. i think people do not know and or understand about her past (sadly) and are rather looking at this from the wrong perspective

(plus they maybe have not seen the amount of narcissistic selfies that appear every day via the media as she gets thinner and thinner)

y.winter
28-12-2017, 05:36 PM
Reading about Davina's past, including chapters from her biography, yes, she did have a troubled life, but she did a wonderful job getting herself out of it. It doesn't mean that holding her past addictions against her is an obligatory thing to do.
Even if she's trading her past addictions with sports, then at least it's a positive kind of obsession - she could have easily been lying in the street drunk and drugged, relapsing into her old self, but the way I see it, she's channeling it to a better place.
It's no more than a speculation and I think it's being OTT judgmental over just a video which is not even as tragic as DM made it look like.

Marsh.
28-12-2017, 05:44 PM
Anorexic :joker:

Jamie89
28-12-2017, 06:22 PM
its not about her being confident in her appearance. She clearly is, and good on her, we all get what we are given and have to deal with it. The issue I see is that she isn't a typical 50 year old women, and I can assure you, I know many 50+ women that look much healthier than she does. If she thinks posting photos like that will encourage ANY generation into getting fit, she is on the wrong planet.

Many 50 year old women look better than her, many look worse... is your point that she has to look better than ALL other 50 year old women for it to be acceptable for her to post these types of pictures of herself online?
I don't think there really is such thing as a 'typical 50 year old woman' anyway, certainly less and less so.

quite. i think people do not know and or understand about her past (sadly) and are rather looking at this from the wrong perspective

(plus they maybe have not seen the amount of narcissistic selfies that appear every day via the media as she gets thinner and thinner)

*older and older, not thinner and thinner.

You're assuming that people must be less informed than you are because they hold a different opinion? I'm well aware of her past I just don't think it's relevant to this at all because a. I don't think she looks ill or that her appearance has anything to do with an addiction to exercise, and b. I don't think the reason that many people have a problem with these pictures has got anything to do with her health.

Jamie89
28-12-2017, 06:23 PM
The same thing happens whenever Madonna dares to wear something revealing, I think at some point people will just stop being shocked by it.

Crimson Dynamo
28-12-2017, 06:31 PM
The same thing happens whenever Madonna dares to wear something revealing, I think at some point people will just stop being shocked by it.

madonna is not davina and there isnt a comparison save the arms perhaps

Jamie89
28-12-2017, 06:48 PM
madonna is not davina and there isnt a comparison save the arms perhaps

I'm not comparing their bodies (I mean they are quite similar but that's not the point I was making) and I'm not saying they are actually the same person :unsure:

The comparison I'm making is about other peoples attitudes towards them being 50+ and showing off/showing confidence in their bodies.

Ant.
28-12-2017, 06:57 PM
I've had first hand experience of people with anorexia as well and frankly it's ridiculous to try and make that kind of diagnosis based on these pictures of her and what you've read about her in the Daily Mail. She looks thin yes (thin doesn't equal anorexic) but she also looks healthy and fit for somebody who is 50. But the fact that your top DM comment is about whether or not men are going to want to have sex with her highlights exactly what the issue is, and it isn't care about her wellbeing so let's not pretend that it is.

As for her looking gaunt, yes she does a bit, when women age they tend to lose fat in their faces (much more than men do) and that's going to be even more accentuated in someone who has very little body fat anyway, that's why so many of them in the entertainment industry and so many ageing women in general opt for fillers. And you can quite clearly see that her having little body fat is due to exercise. And exercising regularly and posting pictures of yourself on social media does not constitute an 'obsession' - especially for someone in the public eye who makes a career out of fitness (which Marsh laid out quite clearly for you but you seemed to ignore).

If you want to go down the "it's people like you..." road we could talk about people like you body shaming ageing women (or any women) and enabling the culture of fillers and plastic surgery, and to hide her body and feel ashamed of it, to keep people like you happy. But instead she's confident in her appearance and in her ageing regardless of what people like you think, despite the menopause and a marriage break up, and if she inspires that in other people instead of feeling the shame that people like you try and place on them then I'm happy to 'enable' that.

The issue is that some people are offended by the sight of ageing women showing off their bodies because it's not what's expected of them, and maybe you're right that my age influences my opinion on it, in that I don't have the same expectations and views of women that were probably more prevalent for people of your age.

:clap1:

LukeB
28-12-2017, 07:00 PM
I've had first hand experience of people with anorexia as well and frankly it's ridiculous to try and make that kind of diagnosis based on these pictures of her and what you've read about her in the Daily Mail. She looks thin yes (thin doesn't equal anorexic) but she also looks healthy and fit for somebody who is 50. But the fact that your top DM comment is about whether or not men are going to want to have sex with her highlights exactly what the issue is, and it isn't care about her wellbeing so let's not pretend that it is.

As for her looking gaunt, yes she does a bit, when women age they tend to lose fat in their faces (much more than men do) and that's going to be even more accentuated in someone who has very little body fat anyway, that's why so many of them in the entertainment industry and so many ageing women in general opt for fillers. And you can quite clearly see that her having little body fat is due to exercise. And exercising regularly and posting pictures of yourself on social media does not constitute an 'obsession' - especially for someone in the public eye who makes a career out of fitness (which Marsh laid out quite clearly for you but you seemed to ignore).

If you want to go down the "it's people like you..." road we could talk about people like you body shaming ageing women (or any women) and enabling the culture of fillers and plastic surgery, and to hide her body and feel ashamed of it, to keep people like you happy. But instead she's confident in her appearance and in her ageing regardless of what people like you think, despite the menopause and a marriage break up, and if she inspires that in other people instead of feeling the shame that people like you try and place on them then I'm happy to 'enable' that.

The issue is that some people are offended by the sight of ageing women showing off their bodies because it's not what's expected of them, and maybe you're right that my age influences my opinion on it, in that I don't have the same expectations and views of women that were probably more prevalent for people of your age.

Fantastic post Jamie :clap1:

bots
28-12-2017, 07:12 PM
I'm not comparing their bodies (I mean they are quite similar but that's not the point I was making) and I'm not saying they are actually the same person :unsure:

The comparison I'm making is about other peoples attitudes towards them being 50+ and showing off/showing confidence in their bodies.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression from the article is that she is setting herself up as a role model for others to follow. That's a completely different thing to having the confidence to post how you look. I couldn't care less what she looks like, but if she sets herself up as a role model for others to achieve, then I will comment on it. It's not shaming her for her look, its saying she has got to be kidding if she thinks anyone should consider her obsessive, frankly unhealthy obsession a good role model for anyone to aspire to

y.winter
28-12-2017, 07:50 PM
Just to make it clear: Davina >>>> Madonna

Jamie89
28-12-2017, 07:59 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression from the article is that she is setting herself up as a role model for others to follow. That's a completely different thing to having the confidence to post how you look. I couldn't care less what she looks like, but if she sets herself up as a role model for others to achieve, then I will comment on it. It's not shaming her for her look, its saying she has got to be kidding if she thinks anyone should consider her obsessive, frankly unhealthy obsession a good role model for anyone to aspire to

The message she's trying to give is that exercise and a healthy lifestyle can improve mental health. She's also showing confidence in her appearance and ageing by posting photos of her body online. Those are things that a lot of people will look up to and admire. You think she has an unhealthy obsession which I disagree with but fair enough, however I still think there's merit in what she's saying and the message she's giving people. When I mentioned shaming, I'm talking about the fact that most people seem to be more concerned with how she looks in terms of sexual attractiveness and the simple fact she is 50 and not wearing much, look at the DM comments, that's what I mean when I say she is being shamed, as women her age often are whenever they dare to show their bodies.

Mystic Mock
28-12-2017, 08:01 PM
She is clearly taking the exercise to the extreme, and that can be hard to watch if you love someone.

The old saying too much of a good thing.

Yeah she doesn't look well there.

Jordan.
28-12-2017, 08:12 PM
She looks completely fine and healthy just ripped. Think people should worry about their own excercise regime before hers :think:

Marsh.
28-12-2017, 11:19 PM
Woman dares to take a selfie with no makeup

"OMG SHE LOOKS SO ILL!!! Gaunt! Frail!"