India and Courtney to come to blows?

[Denver]

India has said she hates the fact drag queens are seen as trans people which seems to set up a showdown when Courtney enters

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

what

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

who said courtney is going in?

[Denver]

who said courtney is going in?

The Sun

[BBUK-Fan]

Courtney isn't in there yet so wait until Big Brother confirm it

[Denver]

Its happening stop denying it

[Morgan.]

Its happening stop denying it

Despite her tour dates at the end of the month?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

wow this sounds super exciting


https://m.popkey.co/818cca/Y0GlV.gif

[Denver]

Despite her tour dates at the end of the month?

That have apparently been cancelled according to Smithy

[Cal.]

That have apparently been cancelled according to Smithy

And you believe everything Smithy says do you?

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10423627.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PROD-Rochdale-abuse-Maggie-Oliver.jpg

[Denver]

And you believe everything Smithy says do you?

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10423627.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PROD-Rochdale-abuse-Maggie-Oliver.jpg

He is a nice fella why not

[Tom4784]

Despite her tour dates at the end of the month?

Apparently she's cancelled a lot of her appearances for the month, according to the Drag Race reddit. I think it's almost certain that she's going in at this point.

[Cal.]

He is a nice fella why not

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10423627.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PROD-Rochdale-abuse-Maggie-Oliver.jpg

[Denver]

That have apparently been cancelled according to Smithy

Actually i think it was Dezzy but they are the same person right?

[Tom4784]

Actually i think it was Dezzy but they are the same person right?

How ****ing dare you.

[Morgan.]

Apparently she's cancelled a lot of her appearances for the month, according to the Drag Race reddit. I think it's almost certain that she's going in at this point.

Oh okay then - I'm happy about that then!

[MB.]

Yeah, she was due to appear in an arena production of Grease in Australia, which I doubt she'd have cancelled unless something bigger came up

[Tom4784]

https://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace/comments/7nqmyb/courtney_confirmed_for_cbb/

[Shaun]

the fact drag queens are seen as trans people

The what now? :think: Only idiots would think that.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

why are people referring to drag queens as she when they are just panto men like the ugly sisters

India has a point I think

[Denver]

The what now? :think: Only idiots would think that.

Watch the latest video with Maggie she says it

[MB.]

why are people referring to drag queens as she when they are just panto men like the ugly sisters

India has a point I think

Because it's a character, e.g. you'd still call Dame Edna 'she' even though she's played by a man

[MB.]

(drag aside, Courtney identifies as neither male or female, but that's kinda separate)

[Withano]

why are people referring to drag queens as she when they are just panto men like the ugly sisters

India has a point I think

Courtney Act and other drag queens are generally referred to as female, Shane Jenek and most other drag queens out of drag are male. I agree with India though, they're not trans? Courtney doesn't consider herself trans does she?

https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/40/781597/original/courtney-act-u16?w=650&q=50&fm=jpg&fit=crop&crop=faces

[Denver]

Pansexual Queen

[Withano]

(drag aside, Courtney identifies as neither male or female, but that's kinda separate)

Agender?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Courtney Act and other drag queens are generally referred to as female, Shane Jenek and most other drag queens out of drag are male. I agree with India though, they're not trans? Courtney doesn't consider herself trans does she?

https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/40/781597/original/courtney-act-u16?w=650&q=50&fm=jpg&fit=crop&crop=faces

well that is because he is a bloke who occasionally dresses are a woman

that does not make you a woman, he is a bloke whether he likes it or not

I hope India tells him this too

[MB.]

Agender?

Genderqueer, which I guess is similar (but isn't trans and afaik Courtney has never identified as trans, so there isn't any problem)

[Captain.Remy]

Here for weaves to be snatched tbh
Better than watching old women talking about what happened in the 60s

[Tom4784]

Pansexual Queen

I think he's very much gay though.

[Tom4784]

well that is because he is a bloke who occasionally dresses are a woman

that does not make you a woman, he is a bloke whether he likes it or not

I hope India tells him this too

He isn't saying he is a woman, he just identifies with neither gender identity.

[Denver]

I think he's very much gay though.

No he said on the MTV sow he is pansexual and dated boys and girls

[Shaun]

He said on UNHhhh that he once had a threesome with two girls so yeah I think pan/bi is more accurate.

d5Bd7D9by3Q

Around 5:05

[Tom4784]

Oh, fair enough, that's me snatched.

[Cal.]

A confusing tale!

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10423627.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PROD-Rochdale-abuse-Maggie-Oliver.jpg

[reece(:]

(drag aside, Courtney identifies as neither male or female, but that's kinda separate)
For this forum's sake, I hope Courtney doesn't go in

[luvjustin]

India has a very simplistic view of what it is to be trans. There’s one way and it’s her way and if you’re not the same way then she does not want to be associated with you. Which is terrible. And damaging. She needs to open her mind.

And Courtney is whatever she says she is. Gender fluid, gender queer.. all valid choices that come under the LGBTQ banner. Bloody support each other!

[Eddie.]

I'm here for a fight, but edited like Old School BB.

[Vicky.]

India does have a point. The definition of trans is so ****ing wide near every person on earth comes under it :laugh: Time to stop lumping transsexual people in with the likes of crossdressers and fetishists. It really does noone any good

[Christmas Dynasnow]

India does have a point. The definition of trans is so ****ing wide near every person on earth comes under it :laugh: Time to stop lumping transsexual people in with the likes of crossdressers and fetishists. It really does noone any good

I got a plum coloured jumper for Christmas and I expect when I get around to wearing it I will briefly fall under the LBGTQ umbrella?


:hee:

[Vicky.]

The what now? :think: Only idiots would think that.

Unfortunately its quite a common belief these days. And stonewall go along with the madness too.

http://www.presenttensejournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/tumblr_mx3a40uWuE1rfwfq9o1_1280.jpg

I got a plum coloured jumper for Christmas and I expect when I get around to wearing it I will briefly fall under the LBGTQ umbrella?


:hee:

Probably. Purple is not a masculine colour, so thats one stereotype you aint following when wearing it, which puts you firmly under the ridiculous umbrella :D

[ChristmasNeeve]

The what now? :think: Only idiots would think that.

Yeah I never thought Drag Queens would refer to themselves as Trans, I always thought the female side was more of an act or alter ego type thing?

[chuff me dizzy]

Yeah I never thought Drag Queens would refer to themselves as Trans, I always thought the female side was more of an act or alter ego type thing?

Ive just realised thats not Noel Edmunds in your photo :joker: ( not a clue who it is,but its not Noel :joker: )

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ive just realised thats not Noel Edmunds in your photo :joker: ( not a clue who it is,but its not Noel :joker: )

OMG How dare you think the beautiful Eddie Vedder is Noel Edmonds :fist:

*He's the lead singer with Pearl Jam who are my favourite band

[Vicky.]

Ahaha he does look quite like Noel in that pic :D

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Wait, its not Noel?

I thought it was to do with his annual Christmas hospital shows

:laugh2:

[bots]

India does have a point. The definition of trans is so ****ing wide near every person on earth comes under it :laugh: Time to stop lumping transsexual people in with the likes of crossdressers and fetishists. It really does noone any good

Historically speaking, it's a very recent thing that we have had the medical capability to do the changes they now perform and even more recently that it has become "readily" available. Prior to that point anyone dressed up in drag was pretty much defined as a transsexual. So descriptive terms are being changed and reapplied as we go.

I just think there is way too much effort being spent in categorising things that just don't need to be categorised. Everyone is an individual, so if we take it to the logical conclusion, everyone deserves their own category, which is just plain silly.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.226275421.1266/flat,800x800,075,f.u2.jpg
http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar14299_67.gif

It literally is the same person

:shrug:

[Alf]

I thought it was Keith Lemon!

[ChristmasNeeve]

I've changed it now you horrible people :fist: Eddie :love:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

funny how Eddie is seen here wit Mr Blobby at a Pearl Jam concert in Watergrasshill, who was very much associated with Edmunds

:suspect:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/04/10/32D5718000000578-3521556-image-m-50_1459763113117.jpg

[chuff me dizzy]

OMG How dare you think the beautiful Eddie Vedder is Noel Edmonds :fist:

*He's the lead singer with Pearl Jam who are my favourite band

Ive never heard of him, but heard of Pearl Jam

[Livia]

Ive just realised thats not Noel Edmunds in your photo :joker: ( not a clue who it is,but its not Noel :joker: )

It IS Noel Edmunds. Niamh is a MASSIVE fan.

[chuff me dizzy]

It IS Noel Edmunds. Niamh is a MASSIVE fan.

Scary !! :joker:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ive never heard of him, but heard of Pearl Jam

Noel Edmonds :fist:

https://media.giphy.com/media/5GFkgF8mP0Ge4/giphy.gif

[ChristmasNeeve]

It IS Noel Edmunds. Niamh is a MASSIVE fan.

https://media.tenor.com/images/c034458f110c06479f1603e2a417b494/tenor.gif

[chuff me dizzy]

Noel Edmonds :fist:

https://media.giphy.com/media/5GFkgF8mP0Ge4/giphy.gif

Ive heard of Noel Edmunds :joker: but your fella is a lot dishier !

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ive heard of Noel Edmunds :joker: but your fella is a lot dishier !

Yes he is :flutter:

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes he is :flutter:

I cannot wait for this walking sex bomb to land in the house ,He's a stunning ,beefy real man :love::love::blush2:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/migration_catalog/article25623822.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/lynch

[ChristmasNeeve]

I cannot wait for this walking sex bomb to land in the house ,He's a stunning ,beefy real man :love::love::blush2:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/migration_catalog/article25623822.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/lynch

Yeah he's really attractive although If I had to choose one member of Boyzone it would be Keith :flutter:

[chuff me dizzy]

Yeah he's really attractive although If I had to choose one member of Boyzone it would be Keith :flutter:

Shanes the one for me, saves us coming to blows I suppose lol

[Christmas Dynasnow]

well I never knew Noel was in a pop group

are there any more strings to his illustrious bow?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Shanes the one for me, saves us coming to blows I suppose lol

:laugh:

[Miranda123]

India has said she hates the fact drag queens are seen as trans people which seems to set up a showdown when Courtney enters

who the f..k is Courtney

[ChristmasNeeve]

who the f..k is Courtney

one of the male HMs coming in on Friday, he's a drag queen and Courtney is his drag queen name (is what I've gathered as i don't watch Drag race)

[Miranda123]

Yeah he's really attractive although If I had to choose one member of Boyzone it would be Keith :flutter:

OMG I hate this prick

This show really doesnt need another imbecile smothered in tattoos!

[Miranda123]

Here for weaves to be snatched tbh
Better than watching old women talking about what happened in the 60s

you could always switch off!

[ChristmasNeeve]

OMG I hate this prick

This show really doesnt need another imbecile smothered in tattoos!

I don't know what relevance his tattoos have really but ok :laugh:

[Jamie89]

India has a very simplistic view of what it is to be trans. There’s one way and it’s her way and if you’re not the same way then she does not want to be associated with you. Which is terrible. And damaging. She needs to open her mind.

And Courtney is whatever she says she is. Gender fluid, gender queer.. all valid choices that come under the LGBTQ banner. Bloody support each other!

Agree with this to an extent. I actually think India's objection is very similar to the argument that "transwomen shouldn't be classed as women because they're not the same"... ironically :laugh: but really being in the same 'category' as another type of person doesn't mean they should have to be thought of as the same. But because so many people do think that way I think that's what she's really objecting to, what other people's views of her might be because of the categorisation, which is understandable but just a little misguided imo, I don't think she really means anything bad by it though or that she has anything against drag queens. (I also think that over-categorisation is a problem and it's what causes most of these issues but that's the world we live in.)

[chuff me dizzy]

OMG I hate this prick

This show really doesnt need another imbecile smothered in tattoos!

I hate tattoos ,but on Shane I will forgive them :joker:

[Miranda123]

(drag aside, Courtney identifies as neither male or female, but that's kinda separate)

Give me strength!!

What is it then? a rabbit, and Ox??

Oh I know what it is, it is f..king ridiculous!!!

[Miranda123]

I hate tattoos ,but on Shane I will forgive them :joker:

errhh yuk, he makes me want to bring up my dinner

he looks like he smells bad too lol

[chuff me dizzy]

Give me strength!!

What is it then? a rabbit, and Ox??

Oh I know what it is, it is f..king ridiculous!!!

Neither of them will ever be a woman, they have no womb ,they cannot have a child so not a woman .... Simple !!

[Miranda123]

I don't know what relevance his tattoos have really but ok :laugh:

I dont dig people with tatts

Its a bit like "look at me, I have no personality so I have drawn all over myself to get attention"

sad f.ck

[Tom4784]

I agree with India in some regards, I don't think a transgender person should get the.....'benefits' (doesn't feel like the right word to use) of the sex they want to be unless they transition but at the same time I don't really agree with her dismissal of other transgender people.

[Jamie89]

For this forum's sake, I hope Courtney doesn't go in

It'll make for an interesting on-season to say the least!

[Miranda123]

Neither of them will ever be a woman, they have no womb ,they cannot have a child so not a woman .... Simple !!

Hi Chuff, I meant to ask you, what are you identifying as this year ?

Im thinking I might be a goat, at least Id get a couple of horns to play with

[Miranda123]

one of the male HMs coming in on Friday, he's a drag queen and Courtney is his drag queen name (is what I've gathered as i don't watch Drag race)

Thank God, at last, someone normal!!

A good old fashioned drag queen, who dresses as a woman for entertainment, but doesnt think just because he wears a frock, that he is one!

#senseatlast

[Tom4784]

Neither of them will ever be a woman, they have no womb ,they cannot have a child so not a woman .... Simple !!

Are women of a certain age not women because they can't give birth? How about women who need to have surgeries or hysterectomies? Are they not women in your eyes?

[chuff me dizzy]

Hi Chuff, I meant to ask you, what are you identifying as this year ?

Im thinking I might be a goat, at least Id get a couple of horns to play with

Ive decided Im a cauliflower ,and God forbid anyone who tells me Im not

[Christmas Dynasnow]

But is there a specific law that says that you must call India a woman now?

(being serious here) or is it just a courtesy?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think Courtney going in will make things into. It could seriously kick off in there.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I think Courtney going in will make things into. It could seriously kick off in there.

and Dapper too

:omgno:

[Cal.]

What a sheltered way of thinking when you're THIS bothered by the prospect of a transgender or a drag queen.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

and Dapper too

:omgno:

The ladies will put him in his place :joker:

[Tom4784]

I think Courtney going in will make things into. It could seriously kick off in there.

I don't think it will, why would it?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

What a sheltered way of thinking when you're THIS bothered by the prospect of a transgender or a drag queen.

you ant really tell degrees of "bother" on a forum tho

can you?

I mean I am eating quality street and dismantelling cardboard boxes at the mo

Ness is probably stripped to the waist making pasta

[Jamie89]

But is there a specific law that says that you must call India a woman now?

(being serious here) or is it just a courtesy?

No laws (I mean I don't know but I'd be very surprised!), it's just about being respectful

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

you ant really tell degrees of "bother" on a forum tho

can you?

I mean I am eating quality street and dismantelling cardboard boxes at the mo

Ness is probably stripped to the waist making pasta
:joker:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I don't think it will, why would it?

I think it's a possibility.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

:joker:

I KNEW It!

:joker:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Can't wait until the men go in. Things will get very interesting.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I KNEW It!

:joker:

It's to cold for that :laugh:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Can't wait until the men go in. Things will get very interesting.

looks like they have set the women up beautifully, sparks will fly

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

looks like they have set the women up beautifully, sparks will fly

I'm sure the ladies will hold their own. The men will be terrified of Ann. She can be scary :joker:

[Jake.]

But is there a specific law that says that you must call India a woman now?

(being serious here) or is it just a courtesy?

It’s just called being a decent human ****ing being, really.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

It's to cold for that :laugh:

if its cold then that gives you a couple of places to hang the linguine

:hehe:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I wish we knew the men going in. They should just tell us :fist:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

It’s just called being a decent human ****ing being, really.

well you were calling for a member to be outright banned for having a difference of opinion a minute ago and we have mods and a process for that so what does that make you?

[Jake.]

well you were calling for a member to be outright banned for having a difference of opinion a minute ago and we have mods and a process for that so what does that make you?

Dunno but it doesn’t make me a transphobe so I’m content with whatever it makes me

[Cal.]

well you were calling for a member to be outright banned for having a difference of opinion a minute ago and we have mods and a process for that so what does that make you?

NOT you comparing someone being transphobic to Jake wanting someone banned from a forum

[Jake.]

NOT you comparing someone being transphobic to Jake wanting someone banned from a forum

Lol why are you shocked

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

So is Courtney a man or a woman? I still don't get it. :huh:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

NOT you comparing someone being transphobic to Jake wanting someone banned from a forum

in your opinion but as i said we have mods and a process we dont need members mini modding and undermining the mods, some posting in this thread

no matter how right he thinks his is...

[Cal.]

in your opinion but as i said we have mods and a process we dont need members mini modding and undermining the mods, some posting in this thread

no matter how right he thinks his is...

https://media.giphy.com/media/20t9dCpVeOaCQ/giphy.gif

[reece(:]

Lol why are you shocked

It's 2018 and it already feels like a rehash of CBB14 transphobia with Kellie. Nout changes here!

http://share.gifyoutube.com/y0ALYB.gif

[Christmas Dynasnow]

https://media.giphy.com/media/20t9dCpVeOaCQ/giphy.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb0dydfUJA1rq1vxuo1_500.gif

[Ant.]

Is it any surprise the trans community has high suicide rates when people spew awful close-minded comments as they do on here? :umm2:

[Daniel-X]

Weird to think people are still so bothered in 2018, in 2007 with Sam it seemed dated but **** me get a life!

[Jake.]

in your opinion but as i said we have mods and a process we dont need members mini modding and undermining the mods, some posting in this thread

no matter how right he thinks his is...

yeah that’s the same

“Undermining” the mods is exactly the same as being transphobic

You’re completely right

[Denver]

I was infracted for saying i thought a forum member was older then they were because it is apparently disrespectful yet Chuff is still on this site?

[chuff me dizzy]

Are women of a certain age not women because they can't give birth? How about women who need to have surgeries or hysterectomies? Are they not women in your eyes?

Women are born with a womb and a reproduction system India was not and cannot buy one either so will NEVER be a woman ,even after the menopause or hysterectomy you are still a woman, what a stupid,ill informed comment to make and an nasty thing to say ,as women have had hysterectomies through cancer etc :facepalm:

[Ant.]

Women are born with a womb and a reproduction system India was not and cannot buy one either so will NEVER be a woman ,even after the menopause or hysterectomy you are still a woman, what a stupid,ill informed comment to make and an nasty thing to say ,as women have had hysterectomies through cancer etc :facepalm:

Hardly nasty chuff, plus I don't think you can really complain if someone does make a 'nasty' comment given the vile things you've been saying :facepalm:

[Oliver_W]

Even transphobes know the difference between drag queens and traps, what is India even on about?

[chuff me dizzy]

well you were calling for a member to be outright banned for having a difference of opinion a minute ago and we have mods and a process for that so what does that make you?

:clap1: Double standards

[Cal.]

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10423627.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PROD-Rochdale-abuse-Maggie-Oliver.jpg

[Jake.]

:clap1: Double standards

No it’s not. It’s really not.

[chuff me dizzy]

Hardly nasty chuff, plus I don't think you can really complain if someone does make a 'nasty' comment given the vile things you've been saying :facepalm:

Claiming a woman who has lost her womb through illness is no longer a woman is a disgusting thing to say and if you can't see that ,I pity you I truly do

[Cal.]

Claiming a woman who has lost her womb through illness is no longer a woman is a disgusting thing to say and if you can't see that ,I pity you I truly do

He didn't say that. He asked you if that's what YOU thought since you'd previously said a woman without a female reproductive system is not a woman, hence asking if YOU thought a woman who'd had a hysterectomy was not a woman.

[Jake.]

Claiming a woman who has lost her womb through illness is no longer a woman is a disgusting thing to say and if you can't see that ,I pity you I truly do

Who “claimed” that?

[chuff me dizzy]

Who “claimed” that?

Read through the comments from last night and today and find them

[Jake.]

Read through the comments from last night and today and find them

Dezzy asked a question, he didn’t claim anything?

[Tom4784]

Women are born with a womb and a reproduction system India was not and cannot buy one either so will NEVER be a woman ,even after the menopause or hysterectomy you are still a woman, what a stupid,ill informed comment to make and an nasty thing to say ,as women have had hysterectomies through cancer etc :facepalm:

When did I make a statement that women who can't give birth or who don't have the organs to do so due to various circumstances don't count as women?

You made this flawed statement

Neither of them will ever be a woman, they have no womb ,they cannot have a child so not a woman .... Simple !!

These are your words, I just asked for clarification, I'm not sure how that warrants such a vitriolic reaction from you? You stated that women who don't have the organs or cannot have children aren't women so I brought up those two examples in order to highlight the massive flaw in that statement, that you only count women as women on whether or not they can have children or not.

I think that's a grim way of thinking and it's detrimental to think of women as nothing more than baby factories but that's what you reduced them to in your definition of what makes a woman a woman in that post.

[chuff me dizzy]

When did I make a statement that women who can't give birth or who don't have the organs to do so due to various circumstances don't count as women?

You made this flawed statement



These are your words, I just asked for clarification, I'm not sure how that warrants such a vitriolic reaction from you? You stated that women who don't have the organs or cannot have children aren't women so I brought up those two examples in order to highlight the massive flaw in that statement, that you only count women as women on whether or not they can have children or not.

I think that's a grim way of thinking and it's detrimental to think of women as nothing more than baby factories but that's what you reduced them to in your definition of what makes a woman a woman in that post.

Ive seen you compare India to a woman who can no longer have children through medical reasons as the same, and they are not

[Tom4784]

Ive seen you compare India to a woman who can no longer have children through medical reasons as the same, and they are not

I've not compared anything, all I've done is ask you a question.

You pretty much defined women by their ability to give birth, I'm just highlighting the fact that it's a flawed outlook because, by your criteria in that post, a woman that cannot give birth can't be considered a woman. I'm just giving you the opportunity to clarify what you have said.

[chuff me dizzy]

I've not compared anything, all I've done is ask you a question.

You pretty much defined women by their ability to give birth, I'm just highlighting the fact that it's a flawed outlook because, by your criteria in that post, a woman that cannot give birth can't be considered a woman. I'm just giving you the opportunity to clarify what you have said.

A woman is a woman and always will be despite if she has had a hysterectomy or not, a man cannot have children and doesn't have whats needed to have them, so they can never be classed as a woman

[Tom4784]

A woman is a woman and always will be despite if she has had a hysterectomy or not, a man cannot have children and doesn't have whats needed to have them, so they can never be classed as a woman

So you think a woman's status is purely based around whether or not they can have children.

[DanielM787]

I actually think they might get along with one another

[chuff me dizzy]

So you think a woman's status is purely based around whether or not they can have children.

A woman is based on her having the equipment to have a baby, a man doesn't have this equipment, thats what make them men :shrug:

[Tom4784]

A woman is based on her having the equipment to have a baby, a man doesn't have this equipment, thats what make them men :shrug:

I disagree, it's a shallow way of looking at things especially when you consider that there are conditions that cause women to be born without wombs or uterus' and the like. It doesn't make them or anyone who has lost the use of or those organs all together any less of a woman.

It's a view that, while unintended on your part, can be seen as quite degrading to women.

[Tom4784]

Men and women are more than the sum of their parts.

[chuff me dizzy]

I disagree, it's a shallow way of looking at things especially when you consider that there are conditions that cause women to be born without wombs or uterus' and the like. It doesn't make them or anyone who has lost the use of or those organs all together any less of a woman.

It's a view that, while unintended on your part, can be seen as quite degrading to women.

I would never degrade women Im one myself, or today i may class myself as sausage roll :think:

[luvjustin]

This post is so upsetting. When you surround yourself in life with open minded, semi intelligent people you forget (or chose to forget) that such closed minded people exist. Especially in this country. I thought we were better than this.

I really can’t believe some of you think it’s ok to speak like you do on such sensitive issues. And the same old lines coming out that I thought we were way beyond.. “oh I can I identify as a goat?”

I’m genuinely devastated at what I have read today and people should be ashamed. I feel like I’ve had a glimpse of what straight people really think and say when we are not there

[Ant.]

This post is so upsetting. When you surround yourself in life with open minded, semi intelligent people you forget (or chose to forget) that such closed minded people exist. Especially in this country. I thought we were better than this.

I really can’t believe some of you think it’s ok to speak like you do on such sensitive issues. And the same old lines coming out that I thought we were way beyond.. “oh I can I identify as a goat?”

I’m genuinely devastated at what I have read today and people should be ashamed. I feel like I’ve had a glimpse of what straight people really think and say when we are not there

:love: :love: :love:

These comments come from a minority. A minority that exist, yes, and a minority that are very real, but for every single close minded person there's hundred of the open minded semi-intelligent people you're referring to

[Vicky.]

Men and women are more than the sum of their parts.

Well yes, but our sex class is the only thing that makes men and women different. Being of the class that can produce sperm makes you a man, whether you can produce sperm or not. Same for women, though not sperm, incubating babies instead :laugh:

Courtney identifies as neither male nor female? I guess this is what I would be if we were going on internal gender identity as I honestly do not have one. So I am now non existent D:

[Tom4784]

Well yes, but our sex class is the only thing that makes men and women different. Being of the class that can produce sperm makes you a man, whether you can produce sperm or not. Same for women, though not sperm, incubating babies instead :laugh:

Courtney identifies as neither male nor female? I guess this is what I would be if we were going on internal gender identity as I honestly do not have one. So I am now non existent D:

I think it's more that she doesn't really subscribe to gender norms more than anything, gender neutral would perhaps be a better term.

[Vicky.]

I think it's more that she doesn't really subscribe to gender norms more than anything, gender neutral would perhaps be a better term.

Ah good. Never have heard of Courtney. was hoping they weren't one of these gender fluid folks. That makes absolutely zero sense..male one day, female the next...all because of which clothes you have on. Bonkers :laugh:

The more gender non-conforming people the better. Break down the ridiculous stereotypes associated with male and female people.

[Vicky.]

I just think there is way too much effort being spent in categorising things that just don't need to be categorised. Everyone is an individual, so if we take it to the logical conclusion, everyone deserves their own category, which is just plain silly.

Well yes, every damn thing needs a label these days apparently. Its a bit silly.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

This post is so upsetting. When you surround yourself in life with open minded, semi intelligent people you forget (or chose to forget) that such closed minded people exist. Especially in this country. I thought we were better than this.

I really can’t believe some of you think it’s ok to speak like you do on such sensitive issues. And the same old lines coming out that I thought we were way beyond.. “oh I can I identify as a goat?”

I’m genuinely devastated at what I have read today and people should be ashamed. I feel like I’ve had a glimpse of what straight people really think and say when we are not there

You need to get out more and open your eyes ffs

apologies if you are under 16 however (which you may be :shrug:)

[luvjustin]

You need to get out more and open your eyes ffs

apologies if you are under 16 however (which you may be :shrug:)

I’m 34 years old. And I thought the kind of things i’ve read here today were just the things of Facebook trolls and the Britain First brigade. I’m just expressing how it’s made me feel. Which is saddened.

I know not everyone in the world is so broad minded, I just didn’t expect to find such views here. And it’s not the fact of people being ignorant of the issue. It’s the complete closed mindedness and unwilling to learn that is frustrating.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I’m 34 years old. And I thought the kind of things i’ve read here today were just the things of Facebook trolls and the Britain First brigade. I’m just expressing how it’s made me feel. Which is saddened.

I know not everyone in the world is so broad minded, I just didn’t expect to find such views here. And it’s not the fact of people being ignorant of the issue. It’s the complete closed mindedness and unwilling to learn that is frustrating.

Im sure you will get over it and realise that its a wee forum and not real life

:)

[luvjustin]

:love: :love: :love:

These comments come from a minority. A minority that exist, yes, and a minority that are very real, but for every single close minded person there's hundred of the open minded semi-intelligent people you're referring to

Thank you. I know, I’m not blind to people’s bigotry. It’s just a little shocking and saddening to see it ones own doorstep.. I never thought this place would attract such people

[luvjustin]

Im sure you will get over it and realise that its a wee forum and not real life

:)

Surely one tries to express themselves on here in much the same way one would in real life..? I certainly don’t have seperate views online and in my private life.

[Ant.]

Thank you. I know, I’m not blind to people’s bigotry. It’s just a little shocking and saddening to see it ones own doorstep.. I never thought this place would attract such people

Oh it's a shock to me too. Maybe that's because I steer clear of Serious Debates and Discussions (where I usually see some bigotry), but I never see any bigotry unless it's on-season and there's an LGBT housemate/housemate who isn't white. A majority of the forum are LGBT which is why it becomes shocking to see discrimination against the LGBT community

[RileyH]

Courtney would end her

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Surely one tries to express themselves on here in much the same way one would in real life..? I certainly don’t have seperate views online and in my private life.

That is worrying as you most certainly should

I would never dream of being as inclusive and tolerant in real life as I am on here as people would probably think I was going soft

:worry:

[chuff me dizzy]

Oh it's a shock to me too. Maybe that's because I steer clear of Serious Debates and Discussions (where I usually see some bigotry), but I never see any bigotry unless it's on-season and there's an LGBT housemate/housemate who isn't white. A majority of the forum are LGBT which is why it becomes shocking to see discrimination against the LGBT community

But this is NOT a LGBT forum, its a BIG BROTHER forum amongst other things,but nowhere is it a LGBT only site, but I'm sure if you look around (Google is your friend) you will find a site solely for LGBT where the majority will be of the same opinions as you,but while ever this site and this part of the site is about BIG BROTHER and its hm8s ( ALL of them,not who you decide can be discussed) we are ALL allowed our opinions ,whether that pleases you or not, YOUR opions don't please me, but I ignore most of them ,so maybe you should be as tolerant of others

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

But this is NOT a LGBT forum, its a BIG BROTHER forum amongst other things,but nowhere is it a LGBT only site

the chat thread is

[chuff me dizzy]

the chat thread is

This isn't a chat thread and as far as I'm aware no part of this forum is a LGBT place

[Ant.]

But this is NOT a LGBT forum, its a BIG BROTHER forum amongst other things,but nowhere is it a LGBT only site, but I'm sure if you look around (Google is your friend) you will find a site solely for LGBT where the majority will be of the same opinions as you,but while ever this site and this part of the site is about BIG BROTHER and its hm8s ( ALL of them,not who you decide can be discussed) we are ALL allowed our opinions ,whether that pleases you or not, YOUR opions don't please me, but I ignore most of them ,so maybe you should be as tolerant of others

I don't need chuff of all people telling me to be tolerant :joker: Like it or not babycakes but a lot of the members here are LGBT!
Did I say that makes TiBB an LGBT Forum? NO I did not. But do keep putting words in my mouth babes!

[chuff me dizzy]

I don't need chuff of all people telling me to be tolerant :joker: Like it or not babycakes but a lot of the members here are LGBT!
Did I say that makes TiBB an LGBT Forum? NO I did not. But do keep putting words in my mouth babes!

A lot of them are married men and women too but its not a Good Housekeeping site either

[Ant.]

A lot of them are married men and women too but its not a Good Housekeeping site either

Did I say it was??

[chuff me dizzy]

Did I say it was??

YOU said this is mainly a LGBT member site ,do the people running it know this ?

[Kazanne]

I don't need chuff of all people telling me to be tolerant :joker: Like it or not babycakes but a lot of the members here are LGBT!
Did I say that makes TiBB an LGBT Forum? NO I did not. But do keep putting words in my mouth babes!

Calm down dear:hehe: you'de think Chuff had ruffled your feathers.

[bots]

last time i looked it wasnt TiLGBTBB