Did Kellie Maloney receive the same treatment as India is getting?

[Babayaro.]

I don't remember the general public being as bad, which is odd.


And Luke A won his series, which makes all of this the more unusual. Was it because he was a woman who transitioned into a man, and not the other way around? :think:

[Jake.]

It’s so backwards.

[Cal.]

The majority are very accepting which explains Nadia and Luke A's wins but it's the minority who are horrible and I think it's more noticeable when you use the Facebook page/forums with Kellie and India. I'm sure the minority were like this over Nadia and Luke A too.

[Denver]

They have no hot teenage boys to drool over so take the anger out on anyone that is different

[Ant.]

Kellie's series was my second on-season here yet I don't remember anyone even making her identity an issue on the forum or off it

[Epic.]

And not forgetting Nadia Almada

[Cal.]

Kellie's series was my second on-season here yet I don't remember anyone even making her identity an issue on the forum or off it

This exactly though. I don't remember Kellie's.

[Livia]

Neither Kellie nor Nadia were on an "all female" show.

[Babayaro.]

Welp I actually keep forgetting Nadia is transexual

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I don't remember the general public being as bad, which is odd.


And Luke A won his series, which makes all of this the more unusual. Was it because he was a woman who transitioned into a man, and not the other way around? :think:

you would need to state what treatment

i have seen nothing as lierally no one is watching the show


what general public stuff do you refer to?

[Oliver_W]

Neither Kellie nor Nadia were on an "all female" show.

It should have been called "all woman". Transwomen are women but they're still male.

[Babayaro.]

Didn't Kellie just recently make the transition before going into the house? I'm sure she got a hero's welcome on launch night

[lewis111]

The majority are very accepting which explains Nadia and Luke A's wins but it's the minority who are horrible and I think it's more noticeable when you use the Facebook page/forums with Kellie and India. I'm sure the minority were like this over Nadia and Luke A too.

Whilst this seems true the comments that have the most likes on Twitter and FB are all the transphobic ones
There's a couple that are likely "These comments are disgusting" but most of the popular ones are disgusting "jokes"

[ChristmasNeeve]

Welp I actually keep forgetting Nadia is transexual

iirc none of the other HMs knew or were told that Nadia was transexual, they only found out when they got out so it wouldn't have been as much of a topic of conversation I suppose and not at all spoken about within the house

[Livia]

It should have been called "all woman". Transwomen are women but they're still male.

Trans women are trans women. I'm happy for them to be who they are and live without fear and in happiness. But they are not the same as me.

[Babayaro.]

you would need to state what treatment

i have seen nothing as lierally no one is watching the show


what general public stuff do you refer to?
Well, I, and a lot of others, have seen loads of comments across social media that are basically questioning why India should be there when it's an all-female launch, calling her a "he", etc. Then you just have to look at Rob's thread too.

[Jamie89]

I was just thinking that! I wasn't on here for Kellie's series and was curious if this amount of focus on the trans issue was normal :laugh:

I would say with Luke A though that there is generally more of an objection to trans women in society than trans men.

[Livia]

I can't remember... did Luke A ever insist that he was a "real man"?

[Amy Jade]

iirc none of the other HMs knew or were told that Nadia was transexual, they only found out when they got out so it wouldn't have been as much of a topic of conversation I suppose and not at all spoken about within the house

Yeah I read up about this, Davina was telling the evicted housemates Nadia was transexual in their exit interview but apparently the producers had it stopped after complains it was disrespectful to Nadia.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Well, I, and a lot of others, have seen loads of comments across social media that are basically questioning why Indis should be there when it's an all-female launch, calling her a "he", etc. Then you just have to look at Rob's thread too.

well Rob gave like 3 examples from facebook but that is hardly evidence

its more an expose of facebook comments than anything else

[Firewire]

Trans women are trans women. I'm happy for them to be who they are and live without fear and in happiness. But they are not the same as me.

And by the sounds of it they should be glad.

[waterhog]

the nasty comments are dwaft by the positive comments because there is more good in this life then bad.

but the bad comments will always be number 1 and front page because this nation loves a poem - I mean story :joker:

[Ant.]

And by the sounds of it they should be glad.

:joker:

[reece(:]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263052

:think:

[Kazanne]

Trans women are trans women. I'm happy for them to be who they are and live without fear and in happiness. But they are not the same as me.

Agree totally,:wavey:

[ChristmasNeeve]

I was just thinking that! I wasn't on here for Kellie's series and was curious if this amount of focus on the trans issue was normal :laugh:

I would say with Luke A though that there is generally more of an objection to trans women in society than trans men.

It seems to be more common for male to female though (or am I way off base about that?) Certainly male to female transgenders are more vocal and seem to be making most demands about prisons, sport, shared changing areas etc. and being realistic men are more of a danger to women in general, women (in general) aren't much of a physical threat to men. I've been learning alot about all this recently through our chats and through Vicky and it seems like maybe the reason people are starting to worry more (mainly women i guess) is because of this whole thing now of a man just deciding he's a woman and that's that, it's not really transsexual like India is though, it's all still very confusing to me tbqh

[Babayaro.]

Are we all in agreement that Kellie was a complete twat though?

[Jamie89]

Trans women are trans women. I'm happy for them to be who they are and live without fear and in happiness. But they are not the same as me.

They're not claiming to be the 'same'. Noone is the 'same' as anybody else. And 'trans' isn't a description of gender. A lot of issues with this are just semantics and confusion over categorisation. Trans women being referred to as women doesn't mean they are the 'same' as women born female, both can coexist as women and still be considered different.

[Firewire]

Are we all in agreement that Kellie was a complete twat though?

Yes but she was brilliant telly

[Amy Jade]

Trans women are trans women. I'm happy for them to be who they are and live without fear and in happiness. But they are not the same as me.

I feel totally different. I think once somebody has transitoned they are the sex they transitioned to - I see a trans women as my equal,

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Not sure why predominately gay members who are immersed in such topics think that your average jo public bloke will think the same as them when they come across a woman like India

its very intolerant of you tbh

You can be dismayed that society is not as accepting as you are but to be angry and start name calling is to not understand the world you live in

incremental acceptance my friends is the way it happens

Boy George got all this abuse after Karma Chameleon

Now he is a national treasure

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Are we all in agreement that Kellie was a complete twat though?

yep, arsehole

[Babayaro.]

Yes but she was brilliant telly

Squaring up to Leslie :skull:

[Jake.]

Are we all in agreement that Kellie was a complete twat though?

Yes but she was brilliant telly

.

[Livia]

I feel totally different. I think once somebody has transitoned they are the sex they transitioned to - I see a trans women as my equal,

I agree that they are my equal. But they are trans woman. Different, but still equal.

[Jamie89]

It seems to be more common for male to female though (or am I way off base about that?) Certainly male to female transgenders are more vocal and seem to be making most demands about prisons, sport, shared changing areas etc. and being realistic men are more of a danger to women in general, women (in general) aren't much of a physical threat to men. I've been learning alot about all this recently through our chats and through Vicky and it seems like maybe the reason people are starting to worry more (mainly women i guess) is because of this whole thing now of a man just deciding he's a woman and that's that, it's not really transsexual like India is though, it's all still very confusing to me tbqh

They are technically more common I believe (although there's so much around this, diagnosis is a big factor, or misdiagnosis, it really is a big issue in itself) and yes we hear more about them for those reasons you gave. But when it's one specific trans person being discussed I don't really see why those things should matter, it should just be the person and their views that are discussed, otherwise it can come over as prejudice. If we're just taking 2 people, Luke A, and India Willoughby, and comparing the attitudes towards them.

[Amy Jade]

I agree that they are my equal. But they are trans woman. Different, but still equal.

I understand what you are saying and I have had a similar discussion with my auntie yesterday who pretty much said what you did and she said I may feel different if I had had children, (she supports India btw she's not being nasty) but I guess my view is very black and write in a sense.

[ChristmasNeeve]

They are technically more common I believe (although there's so much around this, diagnosis is a big factor, or misdiagnosis, it really is a big issue in itself) and yes we hear more about them for those reasons you gave. But when it's one specific trans person being discussed I don't really see why those things should matter, it should just be the person and their views that are discussed, otherwise it can come over as prejudice. If we're just taking 2 people, Luke A, and India Willoughby, and comparing the attitudes towards them.

I was just guessing really why maybe people are more "against" this now (if that's the right word), because these issues have come about in recent times and weren't a concern for people a few years back? I don't know I'm just speculating really

[Livia]

I understand what you are saying and I have had a similar discussion with my auntie yesterday who pretty much said what you did and she said I may feel different if I had had children, (she supports India btw she's not being nasty) but I guess my view is very black and write in a sense.

Yes, like your aunt, I mean no disrespect to India, not at all.

[bots]

Kelly created much more controversy than India, that's a fact i'm pretty sure on. That was for a number of reasons including Kelly's background prior to appearing on BB, and the fact that she was early on in her development

My feeling is that many are being way over sensitive for whatever reason with respect to India. People have not been transphobic on this forum anywhere that I have seen. Not everyone is as clued up with whats "the correct" thing to say when referring to a trans person, and they are being insulted by the hounds when they haven't actually said anything wrong. It doesn't improve understanding of situations when that tactic is used, and it certainly doesn't encourage meaningful debate

[Tom4784]

It's always the same whenever a transgender housemate goes in although I can't remember it being that bad for Luke A but that just might be not remembering much of that season.

[chuff me dizzy]

Trans women are trans women. I'm happy for them to be who they are and live without fear and in happiness. But they are not the same as me.

Or me ,Ive had babies

[Epic.]

Are we all in agreement that Kellie was a complete twat though?

Sort of, but she was going through hormones that happen following a sex change. She was a fantastic housemate and up there with Gary, Frenchy, and Leslie as a highlight of her series

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Or me ,Ive had babies

had them?

i made them in a host body and then smoked a cigar

:hee:

[chuff me dizzy]

Not sure why predominately gay members who are immersed in such topics think that your average jo public bloke will think the same as them when they come across a woman like India

its very intolerant of you tbh

You can be dismayed that society is not as accepting as you are but to be angry and start name calling is to not understand the world you live in

incremental acceptance my friends is the way it happens

Boy George got all this abuse after Karma Chameleon

Now he is a national treasure

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

had them?

i made them in a host body and then smoked a cigar

:hee:

Ive still got them too :joker:

[Rob!]

Not sure why predominately gay members who are immersed in such topics think that your average jo public bloke will think the same as them when they come across a woman like India

its very intolerant of you tbh

You can be dismayed that society is not as accepting as you are but to be angry and start name calling is to not understand the world you live in

incremental acceptance my friends is the way it happens

Boy George got all this abuse after Karma Chameleon

Now he is a national treasure

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

[Ant.]

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

:love: :love: :love: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[In the Drunk Tank]

Kellie had it worse from what I remember. She faced a lot of people who both refused to see her as a woman but also questioned her motivations and thought it was a stunt etc. especially by going into the house so soon after announcing her transition. India hasn't had the latter at least

[Rob!]

Kellie had it worse from what I remember. She faced a lot of people who both refused to see her as a woman but also questioned her motivations and thought it was a stunt etc. especially by going into the house so soon after announcing her transition. India hasn't had the latter at least

I think it’s as a few people have said though - he also had a lot of backlash from the LGBT community as well. Almost like “Oh, so NOW you want our support?” :joker:

[Marsh.]

They all received this treatment.... from a small minority who think they're funny on social media.

They're not a large enough group to warrant attention IMO.

[ethanjames]

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.
you summed it up perfectly!!!

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that people dont face challenges in life outwith their sexuality for some reason. :shrug:

and that diatribe contains a lot of absolutes, some of which I have highlighted and i dont think you can speak for others or claim them as truth

You are just trying to justify calling people names because they annoyed you really

[Marsh.]

You seem to be under the misapprehension that people dont face challenges in life outwith their sexuality for some reason. :shrug:

No, you seem to be under the misapprehension that because your sexuality has never been an issue or caused you to face difficulty/challenges in life that it's the same for other people. It isn't.

[Rob!]

You seem to be under the misapprehension that people dont face challenges in life outwith their sexuality for some reason. :shrug:

and that diatribe contains a lot of absolutes, some of which I have highlighted and i dont think you can speak for others or claim them as truth

You are just trying to justify calling people names because they annoyed you really

Well if you’re going to argue back with pedantics, a lot of the stuff you’ve highlighted there doesn’t illustrate your point of me speaking for the masses whatsoever. But it’s fine. My ultimate point is that I hope that the next time you hold TL’s hand in the street, you enjoy the feeling of not having to worry what people might shout at you or how they respond.

[Oliver_W]

No, you seem to be under the misapprehension that because your sexuality has never been an issue or caused you to face difficulty/challenges in life that it's the same for other people. It isn't.

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

[Babayaro.]

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

Surely a quick browse on the internet will answer that question for you? Or read the news, watch the news, go on social media?

[Marsh.]

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

Do you really need to ask if your own experiences are representative of everyone?

[Ant.]

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

I mean, LGB people are still kicked out of their homes, are relentlessly bullied, in worse yet very real cases killed, so yeah, LGB people face that much hardship

[Marsh.]

It's literally like Ann discussing the fact she's never faced discrimination for being a woman and never felt held back in her career for her gender so using it to suggest that women in the Middle East have it nowhere near as bad as they make out. :laugh:

[Jake.]

Do you really need to ask if your own experiences are representative of everyone?

This

[Shaun]

Kellie was an arsehole... a mildly entertaining / interesting one but definitely an arsehole. So she probably had it a lot worse (including the fact everyone found her post-surgery pics hilarious on here)

[Marsh.]

Post surgery, more like mid-surgery they were bloody horrific. :worry:

[Cal.]

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

Are you having a laugh

[Cal.]

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

:clap1:

[Cal.]

and that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!1111111111111111111

[reece(:]

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.
Martin Luther King of the gays :clap1:

[Gusto Brunt]

Kellie, Top 5 best ever CBB housemates. They should have put her in this time too.

[Oliver_W]

It's literally like Ann discussing the fact she's never faced discrimination for being a woman and never felt held back in her career for her gender so using it to suggest that women in the Middle East have it nowhere near as bad as they make out. :laugh:

Oh yeah it's "literally" identical. The Middle East is awful to live in for ... well, anyone, but especially women and LGBT people. But my hometown isn't in the Middle East, so I wouldn't compare it to there.

[y.winter]

i was just thinking that! I wasn't on here for kellie's series and was curious if this amount of focus on the trans issue was normal :laugh:

I would say with luke a though that there is generally more of an objection to trans women in society than trans men.

AND HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED BB13?!

http://i.imgur.com/MTlUBqJ.gif

[Vicky.]

Kellie got MUCH worse. I remember a load of members finding Kellies post surgery photos hilarious and posting them everywhere :/

[Jamie89]

Martin Luther King of the gays :clap1:

Martin Luther Queen?

[Jamie89]

AND HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED BB13?!

http://i.imgur.com/MTlUBqJ.gif

:laugh: I was speaking generally about trans men!! (and I have seen half... ish I'm continuing it soon leave me alone horribleperson.gif)

[Marsh.]

Oh yeah it's "literally" identical. The Middle East is awful to live in for ... well, anyone, but especially women and LGBT people. But my hometown isn't in the Middle East, so I wouldn't compare it to there.

I never compared the two on that level.

I said, if you'd bother to comprehend, it's someone blindly thinking their own experience is the same for others and dismissing others plights in a flippant manner.

[Oliver_W]

I never compared the two on that level.

I said, if you'd bother to comprehend, it's someone blindly thinking their own experience is the same for others and dismissing others plights in a flippant manner.
The LGBT people I know have experiences more like mine than something from the 1980s, but I concede not everyone is as lucky as we were. Even then, one was bullied, but that's because he was a twat, being gay didn't come into it.

[Marsh.]

The LGBT people I know have experiences more like mine than something from the 1980s, but I concede not everyone is as lucky as we were. Even then, one was bullied, but that's because he was a twat, being gay didn't come into it.

Great for you and great for them.

But that doesn't really mean you get to call into question the hardships they go through across the world in all walks of life.

[Vicky.]

Lesbians in particular have an extremely hard time in everyday life from what my friends say tbh. As if not worshipping the almighty penis is a crime or something. Constant harrassment from straight men and 'transwomen' (In 's as they are not transsexual but 'suck my lady penis you transphobic bigot' types)

[Lostie!]

I remember people liking to say stuff like "ooh Frank's coming out now" when she got angry.

[Vicky.]

I remember people liking to say stuff like "ooh Frank's coming out now" when she got angry.

Tbf Kellie used to say very similar things themselves...always blamed Frank for anything bad in their personality and such. I also remember Kellie squaring up to someone (Frenchy?) in an extremely manly way, and I am sure Kellie said this was Frank too...

I came to the conclusion that Kellie dislikes themselves a lot and wanted to 'blame' the bad parts of their personality on something.

[Livia]

He was an arse as a man and now she's an arse as a woman.

[Marsh.]

Is Kellie post-op now? Like has she fully transitioned?

[Livia]

Is Kellie post-op now? Like has she fully transitioned?

I think so.

The personality bypass was successful.

[Marsh.]

I think so.

The personality bypass was successful.

:joker:

[Jimrod]

I think if India stopped banging on about transitions and journeys all the time it wouldn’t be as much of an issue. Seems quite self centred and “me me me”.

[pontyboi]

Kelly wasnt ready for the house and no offence to her she did seem like the tough guy she used to be and was very confrontational and on the verge of a break down imo. She should have never been cast that year it was to soon.