MALES of TiBB: Did you regard Luke A as a male like you?

[Cal.]

Just a quick comparison question!

[Epic.]

Of course

[Firewire]

Voted No by accident because of this stupid phone!

[Ant.]

As a cis male with decent manners, respect, and understanding, I regarded Luke A as a male!

[Jake.]

Yeah

I remember on BOTS when the person in the audience said “Luke... she, he, whatever she is” and was quickly reprimanded by Emma

[Cal.]

Voted No by accident because of this stupid phone!

https://i.imgur.com/P6R5F9U.gif

[Babayaro.]

No
Firewire



:skull:

[Nicky91]

yes

[bots]

I can truthfully say, that I didn't consider luke a to be a male like me, but I would say the same for every other male contestant that has ever been on the show. I have never identified with any of them, and probably never will :shrug:

[Rob!]

Voted No by accident because of this stupid phone!

Transphobic BITCH! https://i.imgur.com/uNuB3l2.gif

[Christmas Dynasnow]

i had to google him

did not watch that series

[Jay28jay2]

which one was that one

[Amy Jade]

I don't think Livia is being transphobic at all, she has said she supports India and is happy for her but she simply sees trans women as slightly different women than a person born a woman. She hasn't called her any less of a woman than herself though.

[Tom4784]

Yes, he had transitioned so I consider him a man.

[-Sue-]

why is this poll only for men?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

She is though.

She had a sex change, and is now a woman. Why is that so hard to understand?

surely you can see the distinction biologically at least?

take off your outrage glasses and tin hat and take a step back

:shrug:

[Cal.]

why is this poll only for men?

There's been women on the forum saying India is not a female like them so I just wanted to make a poll to compare and contrast really!

[Daniel.]

surely you can see the distinction biologically at least?

take off your outrage glasses and tin hat and take a step back

:shrug:

I obviously see the biological factor, but the fact is she had a sex change and is now a woman, no matter if she's a biological woman or not. She was trapped in the wrong body, so has always been a woman.

I'm not normally very PC actually, but to deny India being a true woman is silly.

[Livia]

I obviously see the biological factor, but the fact is she had a sex change and is now a woman, no matter if she's a biological woman or not. She was trapped in the wrong body, so has always been a woman.

I'm not normally very PC actually, but to deny India being a true woman is silly.

I deny she is a true woman.

But I do not deny that she is a trans woman and in every way my equal.

[Oliver_W]

He's a female transman. Nothing will stop him being female, but he's a man.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

yes :’)

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I obviously see the biological factor, but the fact is she had a sex change and is now a woman, no matter if she's a biological woman or not. She was trapped in the wrong body, so has always been a woman.

I'm not normally very PC actually, but to deny India being a true woman is silly.

so is to pretend she was not born a man i guess

[Cherry Christmas]

i had to google him

did not watch that series

you should watch it the Luke A v Luke S rivalry

Outsiders v Insiders

Deana and Adam :flutter:

[Rob!]

so is to pretend she was not born a man i guess

Nobody is pretending that though. The question being put to people is do you consider the finished result, so to speak, to be a man or a woman.

[Jamie89]

Yes he's like me. No he's not the same as me. That goes for all men and all women and everyone in between tbh.

[Parmy]

Wrong forum hun..i will msg arista to msg the mods to have it moved on your behalf.

[EspeonBB]

He may not fit the biological definition of 'male' but he identifies as a man and I see him as a man :shrug:

[Livia]

He's a transsexual man. Not like someone born a man, different... but worth just as much.

[LukeB]

Yes

Just like Nadia is a woman like the females on tibb

[Cherry Christmas]

I view Luke A as male, I view India as female given what they have gone through to be what they want to be they have earned the title

[Jake.]

I view Luke A as male, I view India as female given what they have gone through to be what they want to be they have earned the title

This is exactly my view

[Livia]

Yes

Just like Nadia is a woman like the females on tibb

you're not here to discuss the females on TiBB though.

[Tom4784]

I view Luke A as male, I view India as female given what they have gone through to be what they want to be they have earned the title

I agree, I think once you have completed a transition, you should be regarded as that gender.

[RileyH]

definitely

[Vicky.]

He's a transsexual man. Not like someone born a man, different... but worth just as much.

I agree, I think once you have completed a transition, you should be regarded as that gender.

I kind of agree with both of these simultaneously

A transwoman is a transwoman and a transman is a transman.

But 'rights' wise I do think they should be regarded as the sex they want to be...IF fully transitioned.

But I do think the current few exceptions should remain in the law as it stands for even fully transitioned people (ie. female only rape crisis centres, a transsexual woman could not work there as its female only)

[T*]

I view Luke A as male, I view India as female given what they have gone through to be what they want to be they have earned the title
^

[Morgan.]

Yes of course.

[Peppermint]

What's the difference between transsexual and transgender? :suspect:

[Morgan.]

What's the difference between transsexual and transgender? :suspect:

Transsexual - a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex.
Transgender - denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.

[Oliver_W]

Transsexual - a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex.
Transgender - denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.

But that's basically the same thing with different wording?

[Jamie89]

I find the difference a bit confusing too, but I THINK that transgender is an umbrella term which lots of different things fall under, and transexual is one of those things. So it's not that they're the same or separate but one is part of the other. Ie. if you're transexual you are also transgender, but being transgender doesn't mean you are necessarily transexual... if that makes sense?

edit to add (I could be wrong)

[Vicky.]

Transsexual is someone who suffers sex dysphoria and wants to be the opposite sex

Transgender is anyone under this
http://supportingtransstudents.myblog.arts.ac.uk/files/2016/09/transumbrella.jpg

Including people who do not suffer any dysphoria at all but still claim they are the opposite sex and are so deluded that they say things like 'my penis is a female organ as it is attached to a woman' whilst not actually being transsexual! Its all a big cluster**** at the moment tbh.

[Vicky.]

I find the difference a bit confusing too, but I THINK that transgender is an umbrella term which lots of different things fall under, and transexual is one of those things. So it's not that they're the same or separate but one is part of the other. Ie. if you're transexual you are also transgender, but being transgender doesn't mean you are necessarily transexual... if that makes sense?



This is correct. The transumbrella is so wide basically every person falls under it. we are all transgender :D

[Jamie89]

This is correct. The transumbrella is so wide basically every person falls under it. we are all transgender :D

It was actually your transumbrella I was thinking of from a previous discussion about this but I couldn't quite remember if I'd got it right or not :laugh:

[Firewire]

Can you delete this and let me vote again I’m not transphobic I swear!

[Candy Annie Cane]

Has Luke A fully transitioned now? This is a genuine question before anyone jumps on me. I know when he was in the house he hadn't had the full reassignment and was quite open about that and wondered if he now has?

[Vicky.]

Has Luke A fully transitioned now? This is a genuine question before anyone jumps on me. I know when he was in the house he hadn't had the full reassignment and was quite open about that and wondered if he now has?

Not sure..didn't he say that he wanted to buy a dick with the prize money? Sure I remember that for some reason D:

[Daniel-X]

Don't see why anyone wouldn't.

[Vicky.]

https://closeronline.co.uk/real-life/news/husband-hasn-t-got-willy-want-new-year-baby/

This is the most recent I can find. Putting off the op as the neopenises (is this the right term?! I know the surgically created 'vaginas' are called neovaginas :laugh: ) are not too good at the moment basically. Which is true. I have seen a few results photos and its definitely not as advanced as the MtF surgery is. But I guess..going with the sexism line again...MtF people are male, so male advances come before female.

[Morgan.]

But that's basically the same thing with different wording?

I used google because I didn't want to get crucified for getting it wrong :/

[Ross.]

Can you delete this and let me vote again I’m not transphobic I swear!

We now know what you are!

https://i.imgur.com/uNuB3l2.gif

[Tom4784]

Not this thread outing Jonathan to be the bigot we always knew he was! :worry:

Jonathan to be revealed to be a member of the EDL next?

[Jason.]

Lass dressed as lad

Spades a spade http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar57456_10.gif

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Not this thread outing Jonathan to be the bigot we always knew he was! :worry:

Jonathan to be revealed to be a member of the EDL next?

i have checked our files and his application is actually still pending (always slows down the system when we get an application from a current Britain First member like jono - Also as he has been p'ming T* he will have to be DBS checked)

[Withano]

Obviously.