When Ann and her views/performance actually make me prefer India

[Underscore]

Yeah I love Ann's many faces n humour and I hate India's attention seeking and gross habits (such as scratching her arse on national television - ew)

BUT

when her views actually make me prefer India over Ann

do u agree with me?????

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[GiRTh]

Agreed. I dont give a toss about Ann opinions

[Underscore]

Agreed. I dont give a toss about Ann opinions

but wouldn't u say disagree???

[jaxie]

Not really, I thought Shane handled it incredibly maturely.

[bots]

no i do not agree with you. Ann is a much more rounded individual than India and has much more to offer. She is not forcing anyone to agree with her opinions

[GiRTh]

but wouldn't u say disagree???WIth Ann opinions? Doesn't matter if she was expressing every thought I'd ever had, its not what I've tuned in for.

[Denver]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion she isnt hurting anyone

[montblanc]

duh i've always preferred India it's just India doesn't know how to properly get her point across while Ann is more straight-forward/calm in her opinions/statements

[Denver]

India is a wannabe bully

[Underscore]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion she isnt hurting anyone

Never said she wasn't entitled to her opinions, but everyone is allowed to react how they wish to her opinion.

For example, coming from the G of the LGBT community, her vote in Parliament could have affected me a lot, especially with gay adoption. I mean of course someone else from the LGBT or straight community may react differently and they're free to.

And being heavily involved in Politics myself it seems to make up quite a bit of a person their opinions.

[rusticgal]

Not really. Ann has strong opinions and they are her opinions. They may be seen as old fashioned but they are her opinions.
Unfortunately India preaches and tries to enforce her opinions upon you and if you don't see it her way she struts off and has a hissy fit.
The difference between the two is one accepts that her opinion may differ from her own..and the other one doesn't.

[Underscore]

Not really. Ann has strong opinions and they are her opinions. They may be seen as old fashioned but they are her opinions.
Unfortunately India preaches and tries to enforce her opinions upon you and if you don't see it her way she struts off and has a hissy fit.
The difference between the two is one accepts that her opinion may different from her own..and the other one doesn't.

Do you know what I totally understand that.

But the way I see it is that India's opinions won't mean that you cannot adopt children or marry. Of course Ann is allowed to have her opinions but what magnifies it for me is she had power over the Law.

[Jamie89]

This episode seemed a more positive one for India - she seemed a lot more reasonable and had lightened up a bit, and a more negative one for Ann. Generally though they're both good housemates although they're people who have things about them I strongly dislike.

[Cherie]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion she isnt hurting anyone

Exactly always surprised that people only want people with opinions that agree with theirs, it takes all kinds Ann is 70 is very religious so is entitled to follow the teachings of her religion, she doesn't appear to be advocating battering those whose views she doesn't agree with, she just doesn't go with the flow, she has views and airs them, it's all about respecting others views folks

[Denver]

Never said she wasn't entitled to her opinions, but everyone is allowed to react how they wish to her opinion.

For example, coming from the G of the LGBT community, her vote in Parliament could have affected me a lot, especially with gay adoption. I mean of course someone else from the LGBT or straight community may react differently and they're free to.

And being heavily involved in Politics myself it seems to make up quite a bit of a person their opinions.
every vote has a possibility to affect people

[Cherie]

Do you know what I totally understand that.

But the way I see it is that India's opinions won't mean that you cannot adopt children or marry. Of course Ann is allowed to have her opinions but what magnifies it for me is she had power over the Law.

She is not an MP she is retired :laugh:

[Withano]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion she isnt hurting anyone

Debatable.

[Cherie]

Debatable.

Who has she hurt?

[Underscore]

every vote has a possibility to affect people

But in my opinion when in/equality is involved, it becomes human rights related.

I mean that's just my opinion

[Denver]

Lets not make India a saint when she hates most of the community she is in

[Underscore]

She is not an MP she is retired :laugh:

Obviously I know that but when she was in Parliament she had plenty of say over LGBT rights.

[poppsywoppsy]

I think those who slate Anne for her intolerance should look at their own intolerance towards Anne and her views.

It works both ways.

[Underscore]

Lets not make India a saint when she hates most of the community she is in

Not making India a saint.

Infact I hate India more than Ann, just observing how Anns opinions seem more ugly than India's from where I'm stood

[bots]

Not making India a saint.

Infact I hate India more than Ann, just observing how Anns opinions seem more ugly than India's from where I'm stood

having an opinion is not wrong though, its forcing something upon others that is wrong. There seem to be a lot of members on this site that visibly lack tolerance of others opinions, which kind of defeats the object of being a member of a forum :laugh:

[Withano]

Who has she hurt?

I mean voting against equality hurt hundreds of thousands in the past, that kind of over now...

Tonight specifically, im just assuming there was at least one young gay teen who watched tonights show who feels a lot worse about their sexuality than they did two hours ago. I'd also argue that some adults are disappointed in how stubborn other people can be. What type of people do you think felt positive after hearing Ann's words tonight?

[Underscore]

having an opinion is not wrong though, its forcing something upon others that is wrong. There seem to be a lot of members on this site that visibly lack tolerance of others opinions, which kind of defeats the object of being a member of a forum :laugh:

I'm not intolerant of others opinions.
I'm not saying Ann shouldn't have those opinions.

I'm saying relatively, from my perspective, Ann's opinions are of a much higher magnitude and much more louder (obv not literally) than India's.

[bots]

I mean voting against equality hurt hundreds of thousands in the past, that kind of over now...

Tonight specifically, im just assuming there was at least one young gay teen who watched tonights show who feels a lot worse about their sexuality than they did two hours ago. I'd also argue that some adults are disappointed in how stubborn other people can be. What type of people do you think felt positive after hearing Ann's words tonight?

but it is but one vote in a whole parliament. Ann was re-elected multiple times by her constituents in a democracy, and therefore was given the right to cast her vote

[Underscore]

I mean voting against equality hurt hundreds of thousands in the past, that kind of over now...

Tonight specifically, im just assuming there was at least one young gay teen who watched tonights show who feels a lot worse about their sexuality than they did two hours ago. I'd also argue that some adults are disappointed in how stubborn other people can be. What type of people do you think felt positive after hearing Ann's words tonight?

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[Withano]

but it is but one vote in a whole parliament. Ann was re-elected multiple times by her constituents in a democracy, and therefore was given the right to cast her vote

Yes thats all kinda over. But tonight specifically, I dont think its unlikely that she hurt more people on top of the ones she hurt in the past - so I guess my point still stands soz.

Also getting reelected doesnt mean she didnt hurt some of her constituents. Surely youre not implying Ann lived in a straight town for straight people who were against gay things.

[Cherie]

I mean voting against equality hurt hundreds of thousands in the past, that kind of over now...

Tonight specifically, im just assuming there was at least one young gay teen who watched tonights show who feels a lot worse about their sexuality than they did two hours ago. I'd also argue that some adults are disappointed in how stubborn other people can be. What type of people do you think felt positive after hearing Ann's words tonight?

Oh please, you give her to much credit!

[Jamie89]

but it is but one vote in a whole parliament. Ann was re-elected multiple times by her constituents in a democracy, and therefore was given the right to cast her vote

Elected members of parliament can still hurt people with their decisions though, even if they do have the right to do that.

[Withano]

Oh please, you give her to much credit!

Perhaps. Or perhaps its an incredibly sensitive issue for young teens, and hearing someone of a similar age to their relatives express an opinion like this could be incredibly discouraging. Idk.

[bots]

Elected members of parliament can still hurt people with their decisions though, even if they do have the right to do that.

yes of course they can, and that's why choosing your MP and voting is incredibly important. Being intolerant of others opinions is not the way to achieve a progressive society. I am 100% certain of that. That is much, much more dangerous.

[Cherie]

Perhaps. Or perhaps its an incredibly sensitive issue for young teens, and hearing someone of a similar age to their relatives express an opinion like this could be incredibly discouraging. Idk.

I think it's incredibly rare for teens to take notice of their parents views never mind their grandparents and those that do are very much in the minority

[Vicky.]

Not really. Ann has strong opinions and they are her opinions. They may be seen as old fashioned but they are her opinions.
Unfortunately India preaches and tries to enforce her opinions upon you and if you don't see it her way she struts off and has a hissy fit.
The difference between the two is one accepts that her opinion may differ from her own..and the other one doesn't.

This exactly.

[Withano]

Oh yeh India's a **** btw, I guess I didnt stay completely ontopic.

[rusticgal]

Do you know what I totally understand that.

But the way I see it is that India's opinions won't mean that you cannot adopt children or marry. Of course Ann is allowed to have her opinions but what magnifies it for me is she had power over the Law.


she doesn't have the sole power though....it's just her opinion amongst many.

[Jake.]

Perhaps. Or perhaps its an incredibly sensitive issue for young teens, and hearing someone of a similar age to their relatives express an opinion like this could be incredibly discouraging. Idk.

But then Shane was there to counteract tbf

[rusticgal]

But then Shane was there to counteract tbf

...and Shane debated it well...he didn't go off in a hissy fit because he is mature enough to debate unlike India.

[Withano]

But then Shane was there to counteract tbf

Yes, true. But 'Ann didnt hurt anyone' is what I responded to, she has and she probably did tonight too, fortunately Shane has presumably helped the people who were hurt by Ann's words on some level.

[Jake.]

...and Shane debated it well...he didn't go off in a hissy fit because he is mature enough to debate unlike India.

Exactly. I thought it was such an interesting conversation, watching two people on the complete other ends of the spectrum discussing and debating in an adult like manner.

[Cherie]

Exactly. I thought it was such an interesting conversation, watching two people on the complete other ends of the spectrum discussing and debating in an adult like manner.

100 per cent and he summed it up well right at the end, both respecting each other's views .,fantastic :clap2:

[Marsh.]

Nothing would make me side with smelly India.

[Underscore]

Nothing would make me side with smelly India.

tbf I hate India more but just find her opinions slightly more tolerable

[Cherie]

Yes, true. But 'Ann didnt hurt anyone' is what I responded to, she has and she probably did tonight too, fortunately Shane has presumably helped the people who were hurt by Ann's words on some level.

Don't be ridiculous if you take this form as a straw poll you wouldn't get one young person who agreed with Ann and very few of the oldies either, that said i respect her right to air her views and follow her faith without censure

[Denver]

tbf I hate India more but just find her opinions slightly more tolerable

The opinion that Drag Queens shouldnt be seen as part of the LGBT community?

[Underscore]

The opinion that Drag Queens shouldnt be seen as part of the LGBT community?

I think Adoption and Marriage > that

Both opinions are abominable though I must admit

[Underscore]

Like please don't think I'm condoning India's opinions at all, and it's not even worth making a comparison both of their opinions are awful in my view

[Withano]

Don't be ridiculous if you take this form as a straw poll you wouldn't get one young person who agreed with Ann and very few of the oldies either, that said i respect her right to air her views and follow her faith without censure

Youve assumed that all young people would be confident in lgbt attitudes across the country though. Theyre not really, they gain a consensus from friends or tv, and that isn't as positive as tibb.

[pontyboi]

I still don't find India tolerable she's gone from having a phobia of drag queens to suddenly over coming it in one night.

She was just jealous there was someone else considered different in the house and Shane wiped the floor with his educated reactions to her irrational attention seeking.

[AnnieK]

Exactly. I thought it was such an interesting conversation, watching two people on the complete other ends of the spectrum discussing and debating in an adult like manner.

Completely agree. Shane was brilliant tonight.

[rusticgal]

Exactly. I thought it was such an interesting conversation, watching two people on the complete other ends of the spectrum discussing and debating in an adult like manner.


It was refreshing and civilised.
You only have to read this forum to see how we all have different opinions...how many see the good in some and others see a totally different character. It's life..we are all different...we all have different agendas..different opinions...different priorities. We live in a democratic country where people have a say BUT someone will win in a vote and some will lose...how fairer can we be.

[Cherie]

Youve assumed that all young people would be confident in lgbt attitudes across the country though. Theyre not really, they gain a consensus from friends or tv, and that isn't as positive as tibb.

So you think they would take more notice of Ann over Shane...I don't think so

[Withano]

So you think they would take more notice of Ann over Shane...I don't think so

Stop moving goalposts. :hee:

I believe she almost definitely hurt at least one person tonight with her words, that was our initial discussion. Her words were dated and would clearly have a negative effect on some people. You have anything to add apart from 'lol no'?

[bots]

Stop moving goalposts. :hee:

I believe she almost definitely hurt at least one person tonight with her words, that was our initial discussion. Her words were dated and would clearly have a negative effect on some people. You have anything to add apart from 'lol no'?

you really believe Anne was speaking in a hurtful way? Not at all in my opinion, and if she did hurt someone they must be very sensitive

[Cherie]

Stop moving goalposts. :hee:

I believe she almost definitely hurt at least one person tonight with her words, that was our initial discussion. Her words were dated and would clearly have a negative effect on some people. You have anything to add apart from 'lol no'?

No goalposts have been moved, I don't believe anyone was upset by Ann's comments so it looks like we are at stalemate

[joeysteele]

no i do not agree with you. Ann is a much more rounded individual than India and has much more to offer. She is not forcing anyone to agree with her opinions

This for me too.

[rusticgal]

Stop moving goalposts. :hee:

I believe she almost definitely hurt at least one person tonight with her words, that was our initial discussion. Her words were dated and would clearly have a negative effect on some people. You have anything to add apart from 'lol no'?

Of course she did....because many will disagree with her opinion. That doesn't make her a bad person. If anything it might open the minds of young people and get them to play an active part in politics by going out and voting for people to represent them in government where these decisions are ultimately made.

[Withano]

Of course she did....because many will disagree with her opinion. That doesn't make her a bad person. If anything it might open the minds of young people and get them to play an active part in politics by going out and voting for people to represent them in government where these decisions are ultimately made.

Agreed.

[Tom4784]

I don't really hate Ann for her opinions because I don't think she thinks what she does out of hate for the gays, if she did she probably wouldn't have agreed with legalising homosexuality. She is old fashioned and very religious but I don't think she actually has anything against gay people.

India tries to force her views on everyone, she's very unreasonable and DOES have hatred within her. I'd rather take someone whose opinions I disagree but deals with opinions that go against their beliefs with respect over someone I'd typically be in agreement with but aren't because of their methods.

[smudgie]

To be fair, Ann did say what goes on with 2 consenting adults is entirely up to them.

[Northern Monkey]

Also to be fair to Ann.She didn’t just get on her soap box and start a rant about it.She was asked and brought into a conversation on the topic.She just does what she always does and answered honestly and directly.

[BBUKAUSFAN]

Yeah totally don't agree, Ann is far higher in terms of a housemate then India will ever be. Ann is not afraid to voice her own opinions in a civil way and she comes across as very honest and lovely (even though i don't agree with her views ect). Where is every time India speaks i feel like she is throwing rubbish and look at me look at me style conversation which is not great in terms of watching people when they are so self centered and only there issues matter and god forbid someone goes against it.

[GoldHeart]

Lets not make India a saint when she hates most of the community she is in

Thank you :clap1:
How can anyone support someone like India who insulted Courtney to her face , double standards. If someone said to India the same thing she said to Courtney then she'd storm off crying :bored: . E.g " I don't like trans people as I have a phobia" which is what she said about Courtney and drag queens :facepalm: .

[poppsywoppsy]

I thought in tonight's programme when India and Malika were talking that India had no understanding of how badly she was coming across to the public.

I am not a bad person, when she has been exactly that over the last few days. She has bad mouthed the older housemates many times and sulked, shouted and ranted and made unwanted advances towards a man not interested in her. Then threw a hissy fit and went to bed. She refused to honour her word until BB made her and has been thoroughly unlikeable since the start.

Then she accuses Maggie of stalking her and is like a bad smell.

Does she think this is acceptable? On one hand it is very odd behaviour and on the other it is disgraceful that a 52 year old behaves this way.

If she thinks she is coming across well, she is in for one big shock.

[Vanessa]

I adore Ann. She has the courage to say her opinions and stick by them. And this is why she's my favourite :hee:

[GoldHeart]

I adore Ann. She has the courage to say her opinions and stick by them. And this is why she's my favourite :hee:

She was a nuisance on SCD though when she was the worst dancer there :joker: .

But anyway i think a few of the hm's are being hypocritical of Ann, they claim to respect eachother's opinions yet they get annoyed with her .

India has got to be one of the worst hypocrites in that damn house . In the same episode she herself was grovelling to Shane J over her drag queen phobia and her views on relationships ,and how she doesn't want to seem "prejudiced" yet she's acting disgusted by Ann's views :facepalm: .

The more India said "i'm sure we'll be friends" the less convincing it became.

I'm not a fan of Rachel either , for all we know she probably has similar views to Ann but she's desperately forcing the PC agenda , while setting Ann up to fall .

And even though these debates get on my nerves , i thought Ann & Shane J were calm and both mature about it . India & Rachel should of shut their gob's ! .

[Kazanne]

Yeah I love Ann's many faces n humour and I hate India's attention seeking and gross habits (such as scratching her arse on national television - ew)

BUT

when her views actually make me prefer India over Ann

do u agree with me?????

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No

[chuff me dizzy]

Just take a look at yourselves .... Ann is a highly intelligent lady with her own views and opinions ( some of which I strongly agree with ) but because they don't suit your agendas she's the devil ? India huffing and puffing over Anns stand on lowering the sex age when it had nothing whatsoever to do with her"cause" Shane had a sensible ,grown up talk with Ann where boths views were allowed, no one shouting the other down ,and they ended it with no hard feelings ,just like 2 adults should do

You keep your beliefs Ann and fight for what you agree in ,then you can hold your head high

[Brillopad]

no i do not agree with you. Ann is a much more rounded individual than India and has much more to offer. She is not forcing anyone to agree with her opinions

Nail on head.

[Brillopad]

Stop moving goalposts. :hee:

I believe she almost definitely hurt at least one person tonight with her words, that was our initial discussion. Her words were dated and would clearly have a negative effect on some people. You have anything to add apart from 'lol no'?

Dated is opinion-based and does not mean wrong. Current can equate to faddy with people often not thinking for themselves and going with the crowd. If people are so easily offended they are clearly in the wrong house. Your comments sound pretty snow-flakey to me.