Indias made up phobia of drag queens.

[Parmy]

What a croc of crap. She didnt even flinch in fear when he came in.

[GoldHeart]

What a croc of crap. She didnt even flinch in fear when he came in.

Yeah It's not a fear , she just doesn't like drag queens but she's exaggerating it like she does :bored: .

I think everything India does is BS , she hates Ann's views yet she moaned about Courtney coming into the BB house .

[Strictly Jake]

It's stupid as surely during the transitioning stage where she would have to make herself look like a woman she would have had a phobia of herself?

[GoldHeart]

It's stupid as surely during the transitioning stage where she would have to make herself look like a woman she would have had a phobia of herself?

Don't even try to figure it out , she makes no sense and just imagine if Courtney threw a hissy fit after that remark like she does every time somebody disagrees with her :bored: .

India thinks she's special and that everyone should kiss her arse and pander to her BS , she easily get's offended yet it's ok for her to be rude and petulant :facepalm: .

[waterhog]

It's stupid as surely during the transitioning stage where she would have to make herself look like a woman she would have had a phobia of herself?

getting warmer :cheer2:

[Gusto Brunt]

One thing I have discovered about India is she is a *********** liar. :D

[Parmy]

Phew, thought it was just me....another thing.

Personal space...stop ****ing hugging me you...creepy.

[Vicky.]

It is my opinion that India does not like Courtney (NOT drag queens, courtney specifically) because Courtney looks amazing as a woman and could pass easily. Where India just does not pass at all. its not necessarily about being pretty...but looking even slightly female, which Courtney clearly does and India does not in a million years. Therefor I deduce that Indias issue is with any drag queen who 'passes'

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think she wants to be one and because she is too scared she is hating on them

Also they are generally much prettier than she is so that must hurt

[chuff me dizzy]

It is my opinion that India does not like Courtney (NOT drag queens, courtney specifically) because Courtney looks amazing as a woman and could pass easily. Where India just does not pass at all. its not necessarily about being pretty...but looking even slightly female, which Courtney clearly does and India does not in a million years. Therefor I deduce that Indias issue is with any drag queen who 'passes'

:clap1:

[south12345]

I think India is confusing her distain and dislike of Drag queens with an actual phobia.

[hijaxers]

One thing I have discovered about India is she is a *********** liar. :D

India makes things up as she goes along - you need a good memory if you're gonna do that.

[Nancy.]

It is my opinion that India does not like Courtney (NOT drag queens, courtney specifically) because Courtney looks amazing as a woman and could pass easily. Where India just does not pass at all. its not necessarily about being pretty...but looking even slightly female, which Courtney clearly does and India does not in a million years. Therefor I deduce that Indias issue is with any drag queen who 'passes'

YES!!! :clap1: That's my thoughts on it too.

[Niamh.]

It is my opinion that India does not like Courtney (NOT drag queens, courtney specifically) because Courtney looks amazing as a woman and could pass easily. Where India just does not pass at all. its not necessarily about being pretty...but looking even slightly female, which Courtney clearly does and India does not in a million years. Therefor I deduce that Indias issue is with any drag queen who 'passes'

Yeah that might be it alright, Courtney does look amazing as a woman imo, actually he looks better as Courtney than as Shane :laugh:

[Jamie89]

It is my opinion that India does not like Courtney (NOT drag queens, courtney specifically) because Courtney looks amazing as a woman and could pass easily. Where India just does not pass at all. its not necessarily about being pretty...but looking even slightly female, which Courtney clearly does and India does not in a million years. Therefor I deduce that Indias issue is with any drag queen who 'passes'

Didn't she discuss this in her VT (or early in the show), before she knew anything about Courtney? I'm sure I remember it coming up. She seems to have a lot of confidence in her body anyway though to me and to like it and showing it off. I honestly just think her issue is that she doesn't like being compared to or referred to as a drag queen herself (which happens to trans people a lot!) and that's turned into an aversion to them.

[Vicky.]

Yeah that might be it alright, Courtney does look amazing as a woman imo, actually he looks better as Courtney than as Shane :laugh:

Courtney certainly looks more 'womanly' than I do :laugh: I wonder how many men were questioning their sexuality when seeing her :laugh:

Didn't she discuss this in her VT (or early in the show), before she knew anything about Courtney? I'm sure I remember it coming up. She seems to have a lot of confidence in her body anyway though to me and to like it and showing it off. I honestly just think her issue is that she doesn't like being compared to or referred to as a drag queen herself (which happens to trans people a lot!) and that's turned into an aversion to them.
I didn't watch the launch night so maybe India did. (it was kind of on in the background and when the stereotype rubbish started from India I left the room. Cannot stand that ****)

Being compared to drag queen wouldn't give you a 'phobia' though.

Maybe its India knows many drag queens pass better than India does, in that case. Or India has internalized homophobia, given they are a male attracted to male people and only just came out with this after 50 years. That would make one 'phobic' of drag queens, even though drag queens are not always gay.

[Jamie89]

I didn't watch the launch night so maybe India did.

Being compared to drag queen wouldn't give you a 'phobia' though.

I agree it shouldn't... but then a phobia is by definition irrational. I don't think it's justified but I can see how it could manifest in someone like India. She seems very self centered, over-reactive to how things make her feel and less considerate of how she might make other people feel. So if seeing drag queens reminds her of negative feelings associated with comparisons, that's a negative response to seeing something which is sort of how phobias develop.

[Vicky.]

Maybe I am judging India too harshly then. I just have no time for narcissists with victim complexes

[Jamie89]

Oh I just saw the edit but I don't really think it's that either imo :p

[Gusto Brunt]

India makes things up as she goes along - you need a good memory if you're gonna do that.

Very true.:joker:

[ethanjames]

Andrew is being put in drag tonight and judging by the promo she seems to have stuck with her phobia

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh god wait till you see India tonight and the ridiculous reaction to Andrew in drag

:facepalm:

[Ammi]

I agree it shouldn't... but then a phobia is by definition irrational. I don't think it's justified but I can see how it could manifest in someone like India. She seems very self centered, over-reactive to how things make her feel and less considerate of how she might make other people feel. So if seeing drag queens reminds her of negative feelings associated with comparisons, that's a negative response to seeing something which is sort of how phobias develop.

..I think she also compared her phobia to that of a clown phobia which is quite common...maybe she feels it’s hard to ‘see the person’ behind drag queen make up which tends to be very heavy make up...so like wearing a mask, type thing...?....that would also make sense to me to create a phobia, I have a huge phobia of masks....

[Nancy.]

Andrew is being put in drag tonight and judging by the promo she seems to have stuck with her phobia

I think it's more a case of them stealing her thunder and being better looking than she is, tbh.

[Gusto Brunt]

Courtney certainly looks more 'womanly' than I do :laugh: I wonder how many men were questioning their sexuality when seeing her :laugh:


I didn't watch the launch night so maybe India did. (it was kind of on in the background and when the stereotype rubbish started from India I left the room. Cannot stand that ****)

Being compared to drag queen wouldn't give you a 'phobia' though.

Maybe its India knows many drag queens pass better than India does, in that case. Or India has internalized homophobia, given they are a male attracted to male people and only just came out with this after 50 years. That would make one 'phobic' of drag queens, even though drag queens are not always gay.


Best drag queen I have ever seen. Seriously, I think it's wrong to label her/him as a drag queen.

The face looks like a normal woman. :D Drag queens are usually like panto dames.

[bots]

I think I heard that Courtney spends 2 hours applying her makeup etc. If I spent that much time, I may even look quite good :laugh:

[Ammi]

I think I heard that Courtney spends 2 hours applying her makeup etc. If I spent that much time, I may even look quite good :laugh:

...we’ll allow you 3 hours to apply it if you promise to post the pics, BoTs...

[rusticgal]

:laugh:...we’ll allow you 3 hours to apply it if you promise to post the pics, BoTs...

:hee:

[bots]

...we’ll allow you 3 hours to apply it if you promise to post the pics, BoTs...

haha, in truth it may require something like 12 hours :laugh:

[Vicky.]

...we’ll allow you 3 hours to apply it if you promise to post the pics, BoTs...

:D

[caprimint]

I think she was worried Courtney would steal her thunder tbh

[bots]

I think she was worried Courtney would steal her thunder tbh

She was right, it's no contest

[Nancy.]

I think she was worried Courtney would steal her thunder tbh
Yes and she has - just like Betty Swollocks has stolen it. :laugh:

[poppsywoppsy]

I think Anne stole her thunder before Courtney ever went in

[Jamie89]

..I think she also compared her phobia to that of a clown phobia which is quite common...maybe she feels it’s hard to ‘see the person’ behind drag queen make up which tends to be very heavy make up...so like wearing a mask, type thing...?....that would also make sense to me to create a phobia, I have a huge phobia of masks....

That's true. I think a lot of people took that as being a derogatory comparison, drag queens are the same as clowns, but both do use costumes as part of their entertainment and I think that's what she was getting at with the comparison (I'd also say that there's nothing wrong with being a clown so it's not necessarily an insult if it's not meant in that way but anyway). It's also telling that Courtney doesn't seem to have taken an issue with any of this when I think it's fair to say that he'd probably have had a conversation with her about it if he did, considering he talked to Ann about his issues with her views on gay rights.

[luvjustin]

Best drag queen I have ever seen. Seriously, I think it's wrong to label her/him as a drag queen.

The face looks like a normal woman. :D Drag queens are usually like panto dames.

It depends really. Her look is pretty typical of what a lot of white American drag queens try to achieve. In the UK and Australia it’s always been a beer more exaggerated and over the top.

[Vicky.]

That's true. I think a lot of people took that as being a derogatory comparison, drag queens are the same as clowns, but both do use costumes as part of their entertainment and I think that's what she was getting at with the comparison (I'd also say that there's nothing wrong with being a clown so it's not necessarily an insult if it's not meant in that way but anyway). It's also telling that Courtney doesn't seem to have taken an issue with any of this when I think it's fair to say that he'd probably have had a conversation with her about it if he did, considering he talked to Ann about his issues with her views on gay rights.

From what we have seen though, Courtney does not seem to take issue with anything. Shane sat and listened to the whole 'gay rights' thing from Ann and did not take issue, he simply said that it important that all opinions are heard. So refreshing. Courtney/Shane seem very live and let live. Shame India is not more like that tbh

[bots]

India said she had a phobia and was then hugging Courtney for the camera, saying we are going to be besties etc. If you have a genuine phobia, how could you do that. It was the full on Courtney at that point too :idc:

My interpretation is that it is most certainly not a phobia

[riceflick]

Some of the humor in drag is the fact that the person underneath the wig and makeup is actually a man. It's not uncommon for trans women to dislike drag because they feel it undermines and/or mocks the struggles trans women go through when they transition. They're also probably resentful of the fact that the public often (wrongfully) categorizes them as being the same.

I'm sure India has a lot of complicated feelings on drag, none of which she's able to understand or articulate into words. So she says she has a "phobia" because it's simpler.

[Jamie89]

From what we have seen though, Courtney does not seem to take issue with anything. Shane sat and listened to the whole 'gay rights' thing from Ann and did not take issue, he simply said that it important that all opinions are heard. So refreshing. Courtney/Shane seem very live and let live. Shame India is not more like that tbh

I don't know I'm just making an assumption, but I presumed that the reason he brought it up with Ann in the first place was because he disagreed with her views and wanted to discuss and counter them, as great as he was during their chat that's basically what he was doing, so I just would have thought he'd do the same with India and her views if he felt it was necessary.

[Vicky.]

I don't know I'm just making an assumption, but I presumed that the reason he brought it up with Ann in the first place was because he disagreed with her views and wanted to discuss and counter them, as great as he was during their chat that's basically what he was doing, so I just would have thought he'd do the same with India and her views if he felt it was necessary.

He HAS brought up the 'drag-phobia' thing though. And has spoke about it a few times when India started the conversations :suspect: Thought you meant as he has not outright said he has a problem with it.

[Parmy]

Some of the humor in drag is the fact that the person underneath the wig and makeup is actually a man. It's not uncommon for trans women to dislike drag because they feel it undermines and/or mocks the struggles trans women go through when they transition. They're also probably resentful of the fact that the public often (wrongfully) categorizes them as being the same.

I'm sure India has a lot of complicated feelings on drag, none of which she's able to understand or articulate into words. So she says she has a "phobia" because it's simpler.



She can articulate fine..

[Northern Monkey]

It is my opinion that India does not like Courtney (NOT drag queens, courtney specifically) because Courtney looks amazing as a woman and could pass easily. Where India just does not pass at all. its not necessarily about being pretty...but looking even slightly female, which Courtney clearly does and India does not in a million years. Therefor I deduce that Indias issue is with any drag queen who 'passes'

Probably is this

[Jamie89]

He HAS brought up the 'drag-phobia' thing though. And has spoke about it a few times when India started the conversations :suspect: Thought you meant as he has not outright said he has a problem with it.

Oh well then I've completely missed something in that case :/ I know it's been mentioned but it's seemed very off the cuff, almost jokingly referencing it, I just got the impression that he specifically wanted to sit down with Ann and have a discussion about her views to highlight them and provide a counter and I haven't noticed that with him and India but it's possible I've just missed something, or yes I could have misread the situation entirely, that's just the impression I got and the assumption I made from it.

[Withano]

It's not fear. It's a cry for attention. Sad thing is it's working.

[Parmy]

It's not fear. It's a cry for attention. Sad thing is it's working.

Is it?...how?

[Vicky.]

Is it?...how?

Everyone is giving India attention. Both in the house and out of it.

[bots]

Is it?...how?

she is throwing her toys out the pram at every possible opportunity

[Parmy]

Everyone is giving India attention. Both in the house and out of it.

Really? ....look closer, almost all of them are swerving her atm..:joker:

[riceflick]

She can articulate fine..
Normally, yes, but not when confronted with things that make her uncomfortable. I've never seen her engage in a debate without fleeing from the room and burying herself under a duvet. That's not how someone who can articulate their feelings behaves.

[Parmy]

Normally, yes, but not when confronted with things that make her uncomfortable. I've never seen her engage in a debate without fleeing from the room and burying herself under a duvet. That's not how someone who can articulate their feelings behaves.

Its how someone who can articulate deflects the fact they just made a fool of themselves.:joker:

[-Sue-]

India's phobia I think is Horsesh*t.. I have a phobia of spiders I certainly don't walk up to one and hug it!

[Withano]

Is it?...how?

We're talking about it.

[Ammi]

That's true. I think a lot of people took that as being a derogatory comparison, drag queens are the same as clowns, but both do use costumes as part of their entertainment and I think that's what she was getting at with the comparison (I'd also say that there's nothing wrong with being a clown so it's not necessarily an insult if it's not meant in that way but anyway). It's also telling that Courtney doesn't seem to have taken an issue with any of this when I think it's fair to say that he'd probably have had a conversation with her about it if he did, considering he talked to Ann about his issues with her views on gay rights.

...also, drag queens don’t really represent women in how they dress, it’s very exaggerated and OTT glam..so it doesn’t represent India really, does it...(...I’ve done my usual reading a few sites..:laugh:...and apparently trans women are more likely to be the ones who feel invalidated by drag queens if they think it mocks them and can also feel that it represents ‘being female’ as just a phase’...I’m not sure if India has any feelings herself of where her phobia has arisen from but a phobia of drag queens is something that others seem to experience as well in their lives....

[Jamie89]

...also, drag queens don’t really represent women in how they dress, it’s very exaggerated and OTT glam..so it doesn’t represent India really, does it...(...I’ve done my usual reading a few sites..:laugh:...and apparently trans women are more likely to be the ones who feel invalidated by drag queens if they think it mocks them and can also feel that it represents ‘being female’ as just a phase’...I’m not sure if India has any feelings herself of where her phobia has arisen from but a phobia of drag queens is something that others seem to experience as well in their lives....

Yes a lot of people do, I don't really know what causes it either and I'm just guessing with India but just the amount of comparisons made on here between her and Courtney shows how prevalent it is, but drag queens dressing as women for entertainment is far more comparable to a clown than it is to a transsexual woman who even if other people don't consider her to be woman, considers herself to be one. I don't agree with her feelings towards drag queens but I can see how an aversion would be caused. Out of everyone in society I think transsexual women are the MOST likely people to have a drag phobia.